Lucian BUTE - what next?

[Decebal]

IBF super middleweight champion Alejandro "Naco" Berrio (26-4, 25 KOs) will make the first defense of his world title against German challenger Danilo Haussler (29-3, 7 KOs) on a Sauerland Event boxing card in September in Germany. The bout was originally slated for June 23 in Zwickau, Germany, but the bout was derailed due to issues between the promoters and Berrio's management.


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What a massive disappointment for Bute!!! :patsch


Does this mean that Lucian won't compete in a World Title fight this year?:|



What next for Bute?




"...he will begin posting thread after thread about that BRUTE" (China Joe)

...:patsch damn, he was right!:-(

[Decebal]

So Bute won't be fighting Berrio in September... so surely it's time to fight Inkin or Froch? Or even Mundine? Time for Bute to step up in class!

Damn right! Berrio wasn't going to provide much of a challenge anyway, so he reasonably decided to do the wise thing and duck Bute, in this way ensuring that he still has a chance to prance around in that belt come Christmas!

Bute should DEFINITELY fight someone better than Berrio now! Bring on Froch, bring on Inkin, bring on Mundine...heck!...any of these guys will do, if they have the balls! And then we can see what Bute is really made of!

[PrideOfWales]

Damn right! Berrio wasn't going to provide much of a challenge anyway, so he reasonably decided to do the wise thing and duck Bute, in this way ensuring that he still has a chance to prance around in that belt come Christmas!

Bute should DEFINITELY fight someone better than Berrio now! Bring on Froch, bring on Inkin, bring on Mundine...heck!...any of these guys will do, if they have the balls! And then we can see what Bute is really made of!

What's Bute's chin like? Has he ever been down?

[Decebal]

What's Bute's chin like? Has he ever been down?

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Shot of the day!



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Can Lucian Bute take a shot? His chin proved just that as he tasted the power of the Scorpion June 15th in Montreal. Bute's victory in the IBF Elimination bout moves the undefeated prospect closer to getting an opportunity at a world title.
(Photo: Herby Whyne, Sportzframe) Friday June 29, 2007

...wasn't he KD'd as an amateur by that amazing Russian guy, forget his name...Oganov?

[Decebal]

Even if you win an eliminator you have to wait around for ages - could be next summer before Bute has a crack at the IBF so he needs to keep busy and winning

Yap! He should really fight Inkin or Mundine, because Froch looks unlikely to happen - seems to have gone a different route. What is annoying is that he is even less likely to get a shot at the loser/winner of JC-MK, because he won't have that belt by the time those two are ready for another one...

[Smazz20]

Mundine should be his main target next. Failing that, a fight with Inkin or Beyer would be good for him.

[Decebal]

Mundine should be his main target next. Failing that, a fight with Inkin or Beyer would be good for him.

:good although Beyer would barely be enough at this stage, I think.

[Smazz20]

:good although Beyer would barely be enough at this stage, I think.


True enough yeah. But it's all about improving as a fighter. Beyer is quite experienced and could possibly cause some problems for Bute although I very much doubt he'd win. It's unlikely Beyer will fight Bute though, unless Bute held a title.

[Tom_Tocca]

...wasn't he KD'd as an amateur by that amazing Russian guy, forget his name...Oganov?

Oganov = amazing???

this guy only fought bums up to this moment and wasn't an accomplished amateur...

...you mean Bute's nemisis, former amateur world champion and Olympic silver medalist Gennady Golovkin (who's from Kazakhstan).

he's already making his way up the rankings at 160: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

In maybe 2-3 years they could meet again...

[Decebal]

True enough yeah. But it's all about improving as a fighter. Beyer is quite experienced and could possibly cause some problems for Bute although I very much doubt he'd win. It's unlikely Beyer will fight Bute though, unless Bute held a title.

:good

My thinking says Bute should not worry about names right now, especially not about "past greats" like Beyer - who's not really getting much better and who realistically doesn't have MUCH of a chance of winning this one, but should concentrate on the dangerous up-and-comers or the guys at the top. I don't mind if Bute outstretches a bit and risks losing, if the alternative is fighting just for the sake of ticking things over. I will support Bute even if he loses his cherry, as long as he strives to improve and keeps daring to be the best.

[Decebal]

Oganov = amazing???

this guy only fought bums up to this moment and wasn't an accomplished amateur...

...you mean Bute's nemisis, former amateur world champion and Olimpic silver medalist Gennady Golovkin (who's from Kazakhstan).

he's already making his way up the rankings at 160: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

In maybe 2-3 years they could meet again...

:good Thanks for correcting me! It was Golovkin I was thinking of! Now I remember! I didn't even get his nationality right!:patsch


I would really like to see these two in the ring again! What an anticipated fight that would be! :yep

[DanePugilist]

You shouldn't mourn too much over this, Decebal. I predict a january bout vs Berrio - unless he loses to Haussler - not really sure what he has done to deserve the shot though.

I smell rotten fish though, if fought in Germany. Even if both Rudy Markussen and Mads Larsen were able to win there vs Haussler.

I think, if it become january, it will all be in favor of Bute. More time to recouperate mentally from the Bika fight - and more time to finetune and hone his newly improved defensive skills.

[Decebal]

Does Bute need to recover for so long after Bika? I think he would have been ready for another one in September. I don't want Bute to end up being one of those guys that fights twice a year. He should fight at least 5 times in 2 years.

Though, you are right...he needs to practice and improve, but if he fights Berrio in January (not a bit too early for Berrio?) and wins, then it's July until he fights someone else...too long to wait...and after Berrio, it would have to be someone good anyway, but if we wait for so long, we'll probably expect someone really good...doesn't Bute need more fights before he is ready for someone really good in July 2008?

So then, maybe, he'll take it a bit slower, an won't fight someone really good until January 2009...but that is a hell of a time to wait, for us and for Bute himself...

Remember that it was Bute's dream to fight for a world title by the end of this year. He gave up fighting in March this year, because he got the eliminator shot against Bika. But Bute needs more fights to gain actual fight experience...if he has to wait until January for another fight, this won't help him improve very much...that's why I'm annoyed by this...

[Amsterdam]

What's Bute's chin like? Has he ever been down?

I clear it as solid, everyone knows my standard.:yep

[WhataRock]

Bute took some serious skull from Bika and shrugged it off.

Berrio is a bigger puncher however, dangerous guy.

[Maxime]

It sucks that the IBF didnt follow their own rules. It says the new champion has 3 months to make an optional title defense after winning the title.

Well... the 3 months period was over on july 3rd. Now he's suppose to fight his mandatory challenger, Lucian Bute.

But Sauerland pulled another of his tricks.

[Decebal]

It sucks that the IBF didnt follow their own rules. It says the new champion has 3 months to make an optional title defense after winning the title.

Well... the 3 months period was over on july 3rd. Now he's suppose to fight his mandatory challenger, Lucian Bute.

But Sauerland pulled another of his tricks.

Are you serious, Maxime? They broke their rules? Well, if so, it's an "absolute disgrace" as the saying goes. I know this is pro boxing, but COME ON!:patsch How the hell can we expect boxing to ever be more than a side-show when stuff like this is being pulled?

[Laydown]

It sucks that the IBF didnt follow their own rules. It says the new champion has 3 months to make an optional title defense after winning the title.

Well... the 3 months period was over on july 3rd. Now he's suppose to fight his mandatory challenger, Lucian Bute.

But Sauerland pulled another of his tricks.

A 3 months period? It is a 6 months period.

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[Decebal]

A 3 months period? It is a 6 months period.

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sorry, where did you see 6 months? I couldn't find it...

What I saw in the rules:

"Optional Defenses
In the interim periods, the Champion may enter
into any contest with any contender rated in the top
fifteen (15) boxers [Haussler is 15th, after Tatevosyan - 14th and Bika - 11th!!!] in his weight class as set forth in
the ratings of the IBF/USBA subject to the approval of
the Championships Chairman and the President.
All optional defenses, and any and all other
bouts, by a Champion shall be concluded at least sixty
(60) days prior to the date the Champion’s mandatory is
due and shall be subject to the approval of the
Championships Chairman and the President.

Once this initial mandatory defense obligation has
been satisfied, the Champion shall defend his
championship within intervals of no more than nine
(9) months against the leading available contender
in his weight class as designated by the
Championships Chairman."

The mandatory was to be in September, right? So Berrio should have fought Haussler sometimes this month...right? What is going on here?

[Laydown]

Yeah I see your point now.

Berrio/Haussler should have fougth in june 23 in Zwickau but it was postpone due to contractual differences (Berrrio would need more time to prepare) and I guess that IBF Chairman and President gave Sauerland more time.

The mandatory was due to be in september (3rd)- Bute won his eliminator june 15 (could the mandatory due date be dec 15 instead of sept 3?)

[Decebal]

I don't know what's going on, but it all smells rather fishy!

[Decebal]

Good news for Bute fans in Canada! His next fight, including any Title fight will definitely NOT be fought in Romania...couldn't gather enough cash.

[Decebal]

nobody cares about Bute's plight around here...:-(

[Smazz20]

I do! He needs to put Berrio out of his head for the moment and get his next fight set up. Hopefully, in or around the same time as Berrio's defence. I mentioned Mundine before, but as Faetter pointed out, he's a WBA man so it's unlikely he'll want the fight. I suppose that leaves Bute with Froch and Inkin although apparently Froch is not too keen on the fight.

Either way, he needs another fight that'll take him to that next level. That's why I think Beyer is the man for him, unless of course he could actually get a fight with either Mundine, Froch, Inkin or dare I say it, Lacy.

[Decebal]

I do! He needs to put Berrio out of his head for the moment and get his next fight set up. Hopefully, in or around the same time as Berrio's defence. I mentioned Mundine before, but as Faetter pointed out, he's a WBA man so it's unlikely he'll want the fight. I suppose that leaves Bute with Froch and Inkin although apparently Froch is not too keen on the fight.

Either way, he needs another fight that'll take him to that next level. That's why I think Beyer is the man for him, unless of course he could actually get a fight with either Mundine, Froch, Inkin or dare I say it, Lacy.

Inkin is the most realistic option, although my preference would be:

1. Mundine
2. Froch/Inkin
3. Lacy/ Andrade

Lacy and maybe even Andrade are probably better than Froch/Inkin, though it's hard to tell; still, Froch/Inkin appear more dangerous at this stage. What do you think?

[Decebal]

Lucian Bute would get crushed by Calzaghe or Kessler.

Emmm, maybe...though I doubt it. He might lose against both though.

This guy is nothing great.

:nono You are wrong there, buddy!

[ChuckYoungblood]

Inkin is the most realistic option, although my preference would be:

1. Mundine
2. Froch/Inkin
3. Lacy/ Andrade

Lacy and maybe even Andrade are probably better than Froch/Inkin, though it's hard to tell; still, Froch/Inkin appear more dangerous at this stage. What do you think?

Lacy is recovering after an operation. He will need a tune up-fight before he can face Bute. Kessler made Andrade look bad, and eventhough Bute imo will win, it will still be a tough fight for him.

Perhaps the time has come for a fight against Mundine? But he needs to fight Froch and Inkin sooner or later anyway, so why not right away - they all need to be tested to see who can challenge Kessler...

[Decebal]

That's why I'd pick Inkin...

[ChuckYoungblood]

Because Froch is a great puncher, he gets to be a bit overrated (especially by the british fans, who thinks he at the moment can beat calzaghe:)). Inkin beat Froch as an amateur, and he might be underrated..

But time will tell...

[Decebal]

Am I? This guy has proven very little at this point.

Not true: tell you what...you convince Froch/Inkin/Berrio/Lacy/Mundine to fight him and he's in!

He needs to beat alot of top competition to be great.

True

He is far far away from greatness.

True

You are right about all the greatness talk and still completely wrong about the fact that he's nothing special.

[Decebal]

Very few British fans who know what they're talking about think that Froch could beat Calzaghe...yet, quite a few overrate the former...true!

[ChuckYoungblood]

By the way, his name is pronounced Bootey, right?:blood

[Decebal]

"Boo-teh", with the stress on the first sylable:), is more likely to fight the top dogs, if they'll have him, then anyone else good in the division.

Berrio is the first to have ducked him. Granted, he was never a top dog. Let's see if the up and comers duck him too now: Inkin/Froch/Lacy.

Mundine? I guess technically he's a top dog, although there's really only two...and I don't mean Taylor or Pavlik...

[Decebal]

Berrio Bout Not Confirmed!
by Andre Courtemanche
Willy Gonzalez, manager of IBF Super Middleweight Champion Alejandro Berrio (26-4, 25 KOs), says that reports of a scheduled September bout between his fighter and Germany’s Danilo Haussler are, at this point, premature. “It’s not true,” asserts Gonzalez. “I’m the manager and we still have issues to resolve that we are working out with Sauerland. That fight isn’t scheduled right now. We didn’t sign anything. We don’t know who put this information out, but it wasn’t us.” According to Gonzalez, the fight with Haussler, Berrio’s first defense since winning the belt in March, may happen but it is far from confirmed at the moment. “We’re looking forward to showcasing Berrio’s talents but there are still issues to be resolved before we can move forward.”
Tuesday, July 10 2007

[Maxime]

SAUERLAND DENIES INTERNET REPORT OF BERRIO-HAUSSLER

A published report on a competing website stated yesterday that Alejandro Berrio will be defending his IBF 168-pound title against Danilo Haussler on a Sauerland Event show in September. According to Sauerland Event, the German promotional company, the report is incorrect and did not originate from anyone associated with Sauerland Event. As far as the company is aware, the IBF has instructed Berrio to begin negotiations with manadatory contender Lucien Bute of Canada. source: sauerland event

[Decebal]

The IBF HAVE to step in and sort this mess out. Bute Berrio HAS to happen in September!

[unitas]

if bute had signed with a big promoter like kohl or sauerland he would have had his shot by now.

but he had to sign with bullshit intercocks.......

[Decebal]

Big Promoter = Big Chance of Fighting Show Ponnies All Your Career

Fuck that!

[unitas]

Big Promoter = Big Chance of Fighting Show Ponnies All Your Career

Fuck that!

yeah, its much better fighting tough guys for small cash:lol:

what pro boxer wants to make money:patsch

[Decebal]

yeah, its much better fighting tough guys for small cash:lol:

what pro boxer wants to make money:patsch

Don't worry, mate, if Bute is hungry, it's not because he cannot afford to eat properly!

[Decebal]

any other thoughts/views?

[Decebal]

:dead

[Brickhaus]

When Berrio eventually loses his belt to Bute, I'd love to see him fight Miranda. THAT would be an all-Colombian all-action fight.

[Nemo]

Lacy is recovering after an operation. He will need a tune up-fight before he can face Bute. Kessler made Andrade look bad, and eventhough Bute imo will win, it will still be a tough fight for him.

Lacy's handlers have done enough damage so far...they should definately stay away from top 30 for the next year especially a southpaw like Bute

[deram]

Mundine should be his main target next. Failing that, a fight with Inkin or Beyer would be good for him.

I agree.

Currently Mundine sits firmly in the 3. spot in SMW and Bute should definitely target that spot.

Apart from that it would be a hugely interesting fight.

[crashzzz]

True, a win against Mundine would give more credit to Bute than a win against Berrio, even if it's for the IBF belt....

But financially speaking, it would more profitable for both side if Bute would get the belt first... so why do it now?

[DanePugilist]

the other problem is also, that going the ibf route, was by far the easiest..

the champs are kess, joe and berrio and thats an easy pick..

should bute go after mundine, this would make him kess mandatory, and the question is, if he is ready for such a leap in quality, regarding his opposition,,

wasnt it lucas who said, that they werent ready yet, but would need a year or 2.. so its highly unlikely for me, that they would be pushing for mundine..

if they cant get the beriio fight , i think they will choose a top 10 guy, perhaps one ranked slightly better then bika..Yes, Lucas said this, and added that he would be ready for Kessler after Bute had claimed the IBF next year.

Not being ready for Kessler was the very reason to deroute for the IBF belt.

[Decebal]

Is Mundine really on the cards though? Could he fight in say, 4-5 months, or make that 6 if you will...? Doesn't he have all sorts of problems? Of course I would vote for a fight against Mundine too! But hopefully it will be Berrio first because it will give him the belt and that's what he always wanted. Then, next year, Mundine, as a first defence, then another one, maybe Inkin (?) and then one of the big guys...how about that?

[DanePugilist]

Is Mundine really on the cards though? Could he fight in say, 4-5 months, or make that 6 if you will...? Doesn't he have all sorts of problems? Of course I would vote for a fight against Mundine too! But hopefully it will be Berrio first because it will give him the belt and that's what he always wanted. Then, next year, Mundine, as a first defence, then another one, maybe Inkin (?) and then one of the big guys...how about that?Would be great to see him against Mundine and Inkin. After that, there will only be one guy left in the division; Kessler.

However, I rate Mundine-Kessler rematch as more likely than Mundine-Bute. So maybe Mundine-Kessler and Bute-Inkin/Froch/Andrade. Then the fight for all belts.

[Decebal]

Mundine-Kessler and Bute-Inkin/Froch/Andrade. Then the fight for all belts.

:happy :happy :happy

[DanePugilist]

:happy :happy :happy:happy:happy:happy:lol:. It's rather funny, if it all pans out this way, especially if Bute wins over Kessler.

Bute: Toney, Tatevosian, Bika, Berrio, Inkin, Kessler.
Kessler: Mundine, Beyer, Andrade, Calzaghe, Mundine.

Who says that boxing has to be fair:lol:.

[Decebal]

:happy:happy:happy:lol:. It's rather funny, if it all pans out this way, especially if Bute wins over Kessler.

Bute: Toney, Tatevosian, Bika, Berrio, Inkin, Kessler.
Kessler: Mundine, Beyer, Andrade, Calzaghe, Mundine.

Who says that boxing has to be fair:lol:.

:D let's first wait and see if Bute makes it past Berrio and Mundine and if Kessler makes it past Calzaghe...in which case, Kessler would be a BIG favourite over Bute...

[Maxime]

I don't think they want Mundine. And I really doubt Mundine gives a damn about Bute.

I beleive there were 2 reasons why Bute is going after the IBF.

1- Weaker champion
2- Easier to get a fight against that champion. Let's face it. Even if he was their mandatory. Bute would most likely never get a fight against Kessler or Calzaghe. Those guys are looking for big fights and big paydays. They don't care about Bute.

I think what they want is to win a belt and make a few titles defenses to have more experience at the top level. If Bute wins the belt. Look for him to make title defenses against guys like Beyer, Lacy, Tsypko, Andrade, etc...

[Decebal]

So, Maxime, after Berrio, in what order do you see Bute making these fights? And when will Kessler v. Bute take place?