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fg2227
07-10-2007, 07:28 AM
How long was he champ for?
TBooze
07-10-2007, 07:33 AM
He was Undefeated World Champion from December 17th 1952 until February 10th 1962.
FlatNose
07-10-2007, 07:43 AM
Archie never lost the World Light Heavyweight Title in the ring.He got stripped, by what was called the NBA back then.He won the title in 1952 and defended it 8 times, the last in 1961.In between light heavyweight title fights he beat a lot of the top heavys of the day, including Nino Valdez, who was seemingly being avoided by Marciano's management.Archie beat Valdez twice, and that earned him a 1955 shot at Marciano.Arch lost, but was light heavy champ for another 6 years.Archie was also the all time knockout king, scoring 131 career knockouts.
You ask "how good was Archie Moore?" He was damned good, an ATG.
McGrain
07-10-2007, 07:44 AM
Post war he's pound for pound top 15 without question.

All in, he's top 30 also without question.

I'd have him top 10 and top 20 personally.
fg2227
07-10-2007, 07:46 AM
Holy shit that's impressive.
McGrain
07-10-2007, 07:49 AM
Holy shit that's impressive.

Put it this way - anytime you pick any fighter to beat Moore in a fantasy fight you know you're playing the %, because he has a chance with anyone.

The only guy who really had his number was fellow ATG Charles, and there seems to be some static surrounding his wins over Moore.
TBooze
07-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Archie never lost the World Light Heavyweight Title in the ring.He got stripped, by what was called the NBA back then.Archie was also the all time knockout king, scoring 131 career knockouts.
You ask "how good was Archie Moore?" He was damned good, an ATG.

He was indeed an all time great

Just a couple things; the NYSAC and EBU stripped him of his title on Feb 10th 1962, not the NBA who already had stripped Moore of their title and Harold Johnson had won the belt and defended twice in 1961.

And although for moment Moore is indeed the 'KO' King, I think with the research being done, Jimmy Wilde will be taking that title away from him soon.;)
McGrain
07-10-2007, 07:54 AM
And although for moment Moore is indeed the 'KO' King, I think with the research being done, Jimmy Wilde will be taking that title away from him soon.;)


That will put a cat amongst the pigeons.
Nemesis
07-10-2007, 09:50 AM
How good was Archie Moore?

Ok I suppose...
Titan1
07-10-2007, 06:08 PM
How would he have handled Ray Robinson?
Street Lethal
07-10-2007, 06:27 PM
How good was Archie Moore? Most people believe he is great, that's how good.
Street Lethal
07-10-2007, 06:27 PM
How would he have handled Ray Robinson?

It would have been a lot tougher for Robinson than the Maxim fight.
Bummy Davis
07-10-2007, 06:55 PM
Just look at the OLD mongooses record, and what it took him to get a shot, he was head and shoulders above the rest
Drew101
07-10-2007, 07:02 PM
How good was Moore?

~ Good enough to be avoided like the plague throughout the 1940's by the reigning light heavyweight champions. And, good enough to hold the Light Heavyweight title for close to a decade at an age when most fighters are comtemplating retirement (and that holds true even today).

He holds the all-time record for knockouts, and, he was still rated as a heavyweight contender when he was well into his fourties.

So...he was, indeed, pretty good. :D
hdog
07-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Maybe I'm crazy but in the Marciano - Moore fight, Archie looked like the more dangerous puncher.
Bummy Davis
07-10-2007, 08:28 PM
Maybe I'm crazy but in the Marciano - Moore fight, Archie looked like the more dangerous puncher.


Moore was a dangerous puncher but Marciano got up quick and Moore hit a deck pretty frequent from then till the end, he had a ton of heart and was always a danger, he was just in with a tougher guy
hdog
07-10-2007, 09:27 PM
Marciano could take a better punch than Moore and was obviously better conditioned. The knockdown on Marciano was the only time I've seen him look hurt. Moore went down more from fatigue and punch accumulation.

Moore's bombs looked heavier to me than Marciano's.
Bummy Davis
07-10-2007, 10:44 PM
Looks can be decieving, Liston looked thick and could punch but the look of him punching was impressive same with Moore and his big arms but there are guys like Julian Jackson, Bob Foster,Kelly Pavlick,Corrie Sanders who dont look like they can hit but CAN
hdog
07-10-2007, 10:58 PM
I think it's safe to say Archie Moore could hit really, really hard.
mcvey
07-11-2007, 11:56 AM
How long was he champ for?
We will never know how good Moore was ,his career was too brief,to form an opinion,a fly by night.