Wgy does Wlad take so much flak for using defensive

[J_Roth]

skill? Other fighters are praised for using their talents to not take punishment. It's a typical ESB double standard. He boxed Sultan and took a landslide ud. If it was some other fighters who are slick fighters it would be called awesome.

[DamonD]

He's a 6'7 guy with a reputation as a power puncher and gets a lot of hype, especially amongst his ESB fans. No-one watches him for his defensive displays.

Is it really any wonder at all some people are pissed off?

Agree or not, I can understand why.

[Heavyrighthand]

Its because he is expected to brutally KO everyone, from now on. They want to see him pull a Brock on each and every opponent, and when he merely wins a dominating decision win, is seen as not impressive enough, cause Wlad is now held to such high standards. He can't merely win a decision, he has to show, in each and every fight, the kind of destructive power that he is known for.

This reaction to another good win just shows how fickle and shallow alot of fans can be.

A dominating win is a dominating win. He now has two titles, and has gotten the unification ball rolling, after 8 plus years. That is all I am concerned with.

[Dorfmeister]

He was supposed to knockout midget Sultan in less than 6 according to many or most around here. Should we give him praise for letting his hands go a bit after round 4 ( With Manny Steward sayin there was no need to throw the right hands before round 4)?

[J_Roth]

He's a 6'7 guy with a reputation as a power puncher and gets a lot of hype, especially amongst his ESB fans. No-one watches him for his defensive displays.

Is it really any wonder at all some people are pissed off?

Agree or not, I can understand why.You are right about people turning in for a Wlad defensive show. That does show his diversity as a fighter. I would have loved to see him ko Iggy but it didn't happen. Big deal. People always use the "styles make fights" saying to justify what happens in the ring. It was the same last night. Iggy was leaning back and playing defense. The fight doesn't warrant the hatred.

[VIP]

He's a 6'7 guy with a reputation as a power puncher and gets a lot of hype, especially amongst his ESB fans. No-one watches him for his defensive displays.

Is it really any wonder at all some people are pissed off?

Agree or not, I can understand why.

Exactly.

This is a huge mountain of a man in his prime with all the physical advantages over his opponent. Plus he is suppose to be representing the heavyweight division, people expect a lot more from him, take this as a compliment.

[J_Roth]

Its because he is expected to brutally KO everyone, from now on. They want to see him pull a Brock on each and every opponent, and when he merely wins a dominating decision win, is seen as not impressive enough, cause Wlad is now held to such high standards. He can't merely win a decision, he has to show, in each and every fight, the kind of destructive power that he is known for.

This reaction to another good win just shows how fickle and shallow alot of fans can be.

A dominating win is a dominating win. He now has two titles, and has gotten the unification ball rolling, after 8 plus years. That is all I am concerned with.Exactly. I guess you can find the truth in the criticism. If he wasn't the "man" in everyones eyes then he wouldn't be bashed this way. I am happy that we are one step closer to a having a undisputed champ.

[LeadLeftHook]

It isnt because Wlad didnt KO Ibgragimov. They were scared of any contact it would seem or they were like friends in there that dont want to hurt each other.

But both men just stared at each other for half the round.

Then all Wlad did is paw with his jab, slap Ibgragimovs so called measuring Jab down and an ocassional one stiff jab. Sometimes, Ibragimov threw a wild looping left that could be seen from miles and Wlad would move back in reaction to it. Now repeat this for 12 rounds.

Do you have denfensive master piece on display?

[Relentless]

hold on there for a second, what other fighters get praised for being defensive?

as i remember floyd, winky and bernard all get flak for being so defensive

[J_Roth]

hold on there for a second, what other fighters get praised for being defensive?

as i remember floyd, winky and bernard all get flak for being so defensiveHow about Toney?

[Relentless]

i dont think anyone here even takes toney seriously anymore.

you are just being paranoid, all defensive fighters get criticized, not just wlad.

[Erebus]

It looked to me like Wlad was too afraid to let his hand's go, In case he got caught. Maybe he was having flashback's of his fight with sanders?

[JediPimp007]

I didn't watch the fight, glad as well, as 12 landed punches to 8 landed punches per round average means it was a stinker.

[CASH_718]

skill? Other fighters are praised for using their talents to not take punishment. It's a typical ESB double standard. He boxed Sultan and took a landslide ud. If it was some other fighters who are slick fighters it would be called awesome.Because it's not defence it just no offence. He's not standing in the pocket like Sweet Pea or Toney he's just staying away and jabbing like Cory Spinks. But Cory Spinks actually has an excuse he has no power and a sub par offence Wlad is an offence force and is bigger then most of the people in the division there is no reason for him to fight like that except fear. Wether it's Steward's or Wlad's. But in Wlad's defence I think it's more Steward's doing because you heard him in the early rounds telling Wlad to just jab and stay away and wait for Ibragimov to slow down. Then come the late rounds when Steward was telling him to go after him he didn't.

[CASH_718]

How about Toney?Toney stands right in front of his opponent with no fear of whats in front of him. And Toney threw more punches in 2 rounds with Sam Peter then Wlad did in his two fights with Ibragimov and Brock.

[CASH_718]

It's really not how Wlad fought so much as how he fought it's the fact that he fought the way he did vs the opponent he had in front of him. If Wlad was fighting someone like Peter no one would really bring him down that much(or atleast have a reason to) because Peter is a threat. Ibragimov is no threat. Lets be honest here yes he had a title but he was never that good. He couldn't even beat Ray Austin.

[J_Roth]

Cash, I was not saying their styles are a spot on match. That would not even be close to the truth. I would have enjoyes a highlight reel ko but you can't get that every fight. Let's be happy we have a unified champ.

[spooky]

A. there was nothing defensive about his lame performance.

B. there was nothing dominate about his performance

C. winning almost every round, almost by default, while hardly throwing a punch doesnt warrant praise.

D. keeping smaller guys on the outside and holding them when they get close will not when over any fans and doesnt excatly make you a defensive master.

so to answer the question... that was not boxing. as a fan of Wlad and the HW's, that was shitty and should not be comended. Anyone who defends his perfomance is being biased and perhaps blind. it takes more than belts to be a champion. He has the tools, but refuses to use them.

ps last night was the worst... yet Byrd, Brock, damaged Brewster, Austin, ect ... the fans are tired of the HW's fighting twice a year. and putting on sub par performances.

[red cobra]

You are right about people turning in for a Wlad defensive show. That does show his diversity as a fighter. I would have loved to see him ko Iggy but it didn't happen. Big deal. People always use the "styles make fights" saying to justify what happens in the ring. It was the same last night. Iggy was leaning back and playing defense. The fight doesn't warrant the hatred.
Right. Muhammad Ali, the Pea, Lennox Lewis, Whitaker, Hopkins, etc.,... all have fought "boring" fights and nobody gives them the shit that they give Wlad Klitschko. It seems to me that these type of fans are the kind that prefer this U.F.C. crap or an alley fight with guys no more talented than Arturo Gatti. Maybe they should watch that pro wrestling crap, or see all the Rocky movies, with no punches ever missing and everybody getting their blocks knocked off and noses busted, in other words, just primitive slugfests all the time. Boxing is too sophisticated for them. The great fights happen, and ko's occur, and so do the more scientific, tactical type fights as well.

[Relentless]

Right. Muhammad Ali, the Pea, Lennox Lewis, Whitaker, Hopkins, etc.,... all have fought "boring" fights and nobody gives them the shit that they give Wlad Klitschko. It seems to me that these type of fans are the kind that prefer this U.F.C. crap or an alley fight with guys no more talented than Arturo Gatti. Maybe they should watch that pro wrestling crap, or see all the Rocky movies, with no punches ever missing and everybody getting their blocks knocked off and noses busted, in other words, just primitive slugfests all the time. Boxing is too sophisticated for them. The great fights happen, and ko's occur, and so do the more scientific, tactical type fights as well.

i dont know if you knew this but, defense is ONLY ONE aspect of boxing.

shit this fight made winky-gbp limo driver fight look exciting.