View Full Version : Lennox Lewis was Exciting?!
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 09:24 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
Sebastien
02-24-2008, 09:28 AM
Lennox Lewis didn't fight scared. It is very obvious that Klitschko fights scared. Not safety first, because even when he's safe he doesn't pull the trigger.
Can you imagine Klitschko firing these uppercuts right in the middle of a Tyson rush?
Vitali Klitschko on the other hand was cool under fire. I miss him a lot.
Wladimir is a pussy and he's very boring to watch
red cobra
02-24-2008, 09:30 AM
The most unsophisticated bunch of neophytes to call themselves 'boxing fans" I've ever heard of. Rock'em sock'em robots should be their cup of tea. A guy like Wlad Klitschko with his ko's and highlight reel power finishes gets called 'dull' after one fight. Ridiculous.
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 09:31 AM
Lennox Lewis didn't fight scared. It is very obvious that Klitschko fights scared. Not safety first, because even when he's safe he doesn't pull the trigger.
Can you imagine Klitschko firing these uppercuts right in the middle of a Tyson rush?
Vitali Klitschko on the other hand was cool under fire. I miss him a lot.
Wladimir is a pussy and he's very boring to watch
there is a big difference between cautious and scared. if he were scared, he wouldnt fight. especially for less money.
still didnt address the fact that lennox's fights put e-1 to sleep.
kurt2006
02-24-2008, 09:31 AM
Wlad was seriously boring last night, any more timid and he will be more frightened than Audley Harrison.
He was like a girl with one of his hands.
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 09:31 AM
The most unsophisticated bunch of neophytes to call themselves 'boxing fans" I've ever heard of. Rock'em sock'em robots should be their cup of tea. A guy like Wlad Klitschko with his ko's and highlight reel power finishes gets called 'dull' after one fight. Ridiculous.
pathetic is more like it.
Cachibatches
02-24-2008, 09:36 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
In a sense I agree with you. winning is exciting. When I was watching Lewis, I was always aware that I was watching a guy that I enjoyed as a winner since the olympics.
Occasionally, he starched guys like Golota or Ruddock. More often, he one off the jab. Regardless, he won.
If Klit can is the same, then so be it. Reign ten years and no one is going to care when future generations of fans are reading the history books.
Relentless
02-24-2008, 09:38 AM
somebody post some lewis fights please.
Jennifer Love Hewitt
02-24-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm not knocking Wlad, but Lewis WAS more exciting. Lewis had more grit. Can you imagine Wlad walking through Vitali's incoming fire to try and win? Can you imagine Wlad in the dog fight with Mercer? Would Wlad have imediately attacked and walked through a percieved dangerous big man like Grant? Would Wlad have zeroed in and assisnated Golota in a round?
Wlad may have beaten all of these guys, but he would have done it by lulling them with a good jab, and then dropping a right hand after about 5 or 6rounds. Effetive but not as exciting as a blitz that Lewis was capable of.
Sebastien
02-24-2008, 09:43 AM
If Wladdy wants to be remembered merely as No.1 in a weak era, that's the way to do it. He won, and he made it look easy.
However, I thought you guys want him to be remembered as a GREAT fighter...
Great fighters win that kind of fight by KO. Hell, whenever he threw the right hand he had Ibragimov in danger. A Great fighter fights great, not scared.
How can you call Wladdy a great fighter after that performance. He made the whole unification thing meaningless with that performance.
I'm not talking rock em sock em... I'm talking "whenever he threw the right hand he landed and he rocked Ibragimov"... he could have easily finished him.
It was a pathetic performance from a great fighter standpoint... it was a good performance from a good fighter standpoint. All depends where you want Wladdy to go, toward greatness or toward goodness.
Sebastien
02-24-2008, 09:45 AM
I'm not knocking Wlad, but Lewis WAS more exciting. Lewis had more grit. Can you imagine Wlad walking through Vitali's incoming fire to try and win? Can you imagine Wlad in the dog fight with Mercer? Would Wlad have imediately attacked and walked through a percieved dangerous big man like Grant? Would Wlad have zeroed in and assisnated Golota in a round?
Wlad may have beaten all of these guys, but he would have done it by lulling them with a good jab, and then dropping a right hand after about 5 or 6rounds. Effetive but not as exciting as a blitz that Lewis was capable of.
YES!
Lewis was sometimes very cautious, e.g. vs. Tua and even Tyson. But still, he landed a bunch of nasty uppercuts on both and finishes Tyson the way he should've...
Wladdy would've carried Tyson all 12 rounds... can you imagine Wladdy facing that version of Tyson, he would have shit his pants.
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 09:45 AM
Lennox was a great technical boxer who was also hated on in his day for being a boring fighter, I didn't agree with that then and I don't agree with the Klitschko bashing now. But, as a rule, when a great boxer retires, tales of their brilliance are exaggerated to the point that, after 4 years or so, they become near mythical creatures.
The same people who are now crying that they want Lewis back are probably the same people who were calling him glass jawed, effiminate, and boring back when he was active. It's all pretty pathetic really
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 09:54 AM
somebody post some lewis fights please.
oh man. pls do. post some wlad fights next to lennox's. lmao.
im not JUST trying to knock lennox. like was said, he was a winner. so is wlad. but i dont hear anyone crying about the way lennox fought. guess i shoulda spent more time on these boards 10 years ago for proof.
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 09:56 AM
and pls, dear god, no one talk to me about how awesome larry holmes was if e-1's definition of exciting is s-1 who fights stupid...
Iron Mick Titan
02-24-2008, 09:57 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
botha,grant,ruddock,rahman,briggs and morrison were not long drawn out ko's they were all spectacular performances.lewis WAS exciting
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 09:58 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.The Hoyfield fights had much much more entertainment than that, Lewis threw combinations, mixed it up and didnt shuffle forward all night. His fight with Tua was panne das boring but was magnificent in comparison to last night. Wlad seemed one dimensional last night.
Decker
02-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Lennox was a great technical boxer who was also hated on in his day for being a boring fighter, I didn't agree with that then and I don't agree with the Klitschko bashing now. But, as a rule, when a great boxer retires, tales of their brilliance are exaggerated to the point that, after 4 years or so, they become near mythical creatures.
The same people who are now crying that they want Lewis back are probably the same people who were calling him glass jawed, effiminate, and boring back when he was active. It's all pretty pathetic really :good Spot on post. I'm a fan of both. I think the excitment level is very comparable for the two. Some of their fights were quite exciting, others not. You can say that about most fighters. LL did seem to use or have a better uppercut. But Wlad had a comfy UD over SI. Sultan faught a very cautious fight too - trying to lure Wlad in so he could counter. Wlad had none of it. Then when SI tried a more agressive approach, Wlad tagged him - almost dropping him if not for the ropes.
The Wlad haters will never be satisfied no matter what he does. If he wins his next 3+ fights and cleans out the HW division, they will fall back on their "weak era, NBA, NFL, blah, blah" card :verysad That's what's lame :yep
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 10:01 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.Lewis threw more rights and had more variety in the first minute of the Tua fight than Wlad had in 12 rounds last night,
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Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:02 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
wlad is an amature compared to lewis. Wlad's so called explosive ko's only look impressive because of the level of competition he has fought.
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 10:02 AM
The Hoyfield fights had much much more entertainment than that, Lewis threw combinations, mixed it up and didnt shuffle forward all night. His fight with Tua was panne das boring but was magnificent in comparison to last night. Wlad seemed one dimensional last night.
mixed it up? must've been watching a different holyfield/lewis.
and still, even if u wanna count tua and golota, wlad still has MANY many more spectacular ko's. again the point here isnt to knock lennox, but show how fing stupid a lot of people on these boards are. they cry and cry and cry about the state of the division and how there is no champion. and they point to lennox as the last division great. i just dont get it.
j0hn0
02-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Lewis threw more rights and had more variety in the first minute of the Tua fight than Wlad had in 12 rounds last night,
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search "klitschko ko's" any ole time.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:03 AM
Lennox was probably more exciting, because he go to war more often and was outboxed a couple time and take more shot's also...
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:04 AM
Lewis threw more rights and had more variety in the first minute of the Tua fight than Wlad had in 12 rounds last night,
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I dont know how people can compare Tua to sultan, That's just fucking laughable.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Drexl
02-24-2008, 10:05 AM
Neither fighter is or was boring.
Fucking grow up, kids. :verysad
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Here is Lewis vs. Akinwande, who did not come to fight, much like Sultan.
Myd-GG_4YZg
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:07 AM
Lennox was probably more exciting, because he go to war more often and was outboxed a couple time and take more shot's also...
Yep that's right. Lewis did fight much better opponent's:D
Too bad Wlad is the top in a shattered division with no real competition.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:08 AM
I dont know how people can compare Tua to sultan, That's just fucking laughable.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:09 AM
Here is Lewis vs. Akinwande, who did not come to fight, much like Sultan.
Myd-GG_4YZg
That's right. But lennox is still trying to engage Akinwande. Unlike Wlad who seemed too scared to let his hand's go.:hey
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:11 AM
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How old was Tua then?
Why post these old clip's ? They are irrelevant:huh
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 10:12 AM
That's right. But lennox is still trying to engage Akinwande. Unlike Wlad who seemed too scared to let his hand's go.:heyAkinwande wasn't in a shell like Ibragimov, he used a different fighting scared tactic, resulting in a different boring result, but you cannot say Lewis looked good there, but how could he? that's the point, when one fighter is intent on making it an ugly fight and has the skill to do so, that is what it will be.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:15 AM
How old was Tua then?
Why post these old clip's ? They are irrelevant:huh
So, show me another amateur heavy, who can but Savon so hard situation. I'm not sultan fan, but he's better than most people thing..
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 10:16 AM
mixed it up? must've been watching a different holyfield/lewis.
and still, even if u wanna count tua and golota, wlad still has MANY many more spectacular ko's. again the point here isnt to knock lennox, but show how fing stupid a lot of people on these boards are. they cry and cry and cry about the state of the division and how there is no champion. and they point to lennox as the last division great. i just dont get it.The Holyfield fights were much more exciting by a mile indeed. Wlad has knockouts against Ray Austin level opponenets. This fight was a hark back to the tentative display he showed against McLine, McLine was scared and when he got hit for the first time in about the 10th round he quit on his stool, Wlad looked awful that night and against anyone above the Austin level he often does.
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 10:17 AM
Here is Lewis vs. Akinwande, who did not come to fight, much like Sultan.
Myd-GG_4YZgI think it was Sultan that actually came to fight.
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:17 AM
Wow what a bunch of fuck noobs we got here. Fuck people forget what Lewis has done besides the Tyson fight. Lewis boring??? Yes he has been a a few boring fights but he has also been in alot of great fights. Lewis rarely knocked people out early??? hah. Lets look back compare the two shall we.
Wladimir Klitschko:
Exciting fights:
Ross Purity- Beats the shit out of a journey man for 10 rounds and runs out of gas and gets stopped. Very dramatic.
Monte Barret- Once sided beat down I'll give him credit as an exciting fight.
Lamon Brewster 1- Like against Purrity he beats the shit out of his journey man opponent and then runs out of gas a gets stopped.
Chris Byrd 2- One sided beat down but in exciting fashion.
Quick KO's:
Derrick Jefferson
Eliseo Castillo
Ray Austin
Lennox Lewis:
Exciting fights:
Frank Bruno: Great back and forth action the whole fight against two big bangers. Lewis scores a KO while down on the cards and when it looked like Bruno was going in for the kill. Great fight.
Ray Mercer- Great fight with back and forth action for all ten rounds. Extremly close fight.
Shannon Briggs- Very good fight. Briggs hurt lewis early and looks like he might stop him then Lewis come back and just kills him.
Evander Holyfield 2- Very good fight between the two top heavyweights at the time.
Vitali Klitschko- Great fight between two big men. Both fights hurt a few times almost dropped. Great fight.
Quick KO's:
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Andrew Golota
Michael Grant
Frans Botha
Hasim Rahman 2
Lewis > Wlad
Lewis was more exciting, took more risks, was cooler under fire, was in better fights, wasn't scared to exchange and was more aggressive.
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:18 AM
So, show me another amateur heavy, who can but Savon so hard situation. I'm not sultan fan, but he's better than most people thing..
If you really think that Sultan was more dangerous in his fight last night against wlad than Tua was when he fought Lewis.... Then you are delusional.:roll:
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 10:20 AM
I think it was Sultan that actually came to fight.:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:21 AM
Lewis was cautious when he had a dangerous opponent in front of him. If Lewis fought guys like Calvin Brock or Eliseo Castillo or Ibragimov ect ect he would go after them and get them out of there quick.
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 10:21 AM
How old was Tua then?
Why post these old clip's ? They are irrelevant:huhTua was 28, Lewis was 35.
It is the Tua fight that everyone always points to as boring when besmirching Lewis, thats why. Wlad was plain tentative last night. Matt Skelton showed against Chagaev how to fight a southpaw, bully him into the ropes and fight inside, wlad would have knocked him out with an uppercut in no time at all but is too scared to be adventurous.
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 10:22 AM
:rofl:rofl:rofl:roflIt was Sultan that lunge din trying to land, wlad then hugged him to death before going back to his shuffle robotic style on the outside.
Decker
02-24-2008, 10:24 AM
wlad is an amature compared to lewis. Damn, I thought Wlad made money in boxing :patsch Well if you think Wlad is an amateur vs LL, then you must think that LL is the greatest HW of all time. Good - we agree on that :yep
Wlad's so called explosive ko's only look impressive because of the level of competition he has fought. Hey Drago, chill with the biased analysis. I'm a fan of both and LL faught his share of no hoppers. Wlad has stopped Byrd, Brock, Austin, & Brew with relative ease, but now those fighters are all bums? Uh huh :-(
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:25 AM
Here is Lewis vs. Akinwande, who did not come to fight, much like Sultan.
Myd-GG_4YZgSultan did grab Wlad at every possible moment. He didn't clinch once.
Iron Mick Titan
02-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Wow what a bunch of fuck noobs we got here. Fuck people forget what Lewis has done besides the Tyson fight. Lewis boring??? Yes he has been a a few boring fights but he has also been in alot of great fights. Lewis rarely knocked people out early??? hah. Lets look back compare the two shall we.
Wladimir Klitschko:
Exciting fights:
Ross Purity- Beats the shit out of a journey man for 10 rounds and runs out of gas and gets stopped. Very dramatic.
Monte Barret- Once sided beat down I'll give him credit as an exciting fight.
Lamon Brewster 1- Like against Purrity he beats the shit out of his journey man opponent and then runs out of gas a gets stopped.
Chris Byrd 2- One sided beat down but in exciting fashion.
Quick KO's:
Derrick Jefferson
Eliseo Castillo
Ray Austin
Lennox Lewis:
Exciting fights:
Frank Bruno: Great back and forth action the whole fight against two big bangers. Lewis scores a KO while down on the cards and when it looked like Bruno was going in for the kill. Great fight.
Ray Mercer- Great fight with back and forth action for all ten rounds. Extremly close fight.
Shannon Briggs- Very good fight. Briggs hurt lewis early and looks like he might stop him then Lewis come back and just kills him.
Evander Holyfield 2- Very good fight between the two top heavyweights at the time.
Vitali Klitschko- Great fight between two big men. Both fights hurt a few times almost dropped. Great fight.
Quick KO's:
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Andrew Golota
Michael Grant
Frans Botha
Hasim Rahman 2
Lewis > Wlad
Lewis was more exciting, took more risks, was cooler under fire, was in better fights, wasn't scared to exchange and was more aggressive.
super accurate post:good :good
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:26 AM
And another thing that Lewis has over Wlad is that Lewis had very high confidence and believed in himself alot more then Wlad does. Lewis had that cockyness that made him better.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:27 AM
Wow what a bunch of fuck noobs we got here. Fuck people forget what Lewis has done besides the Tyson fight. Lewis boring??? Yes he has been a a few boring fights but he has also been in alot of great fights. Lewis rarely knocked people out early??? hah. Lets look back compare the two shall we.
Wladimir Klitschko:
Exciting fights:
Ross Purity- Beats the shit out of a journey man for 10 rounds and runs out of gas and gets stopped. Very dramatic.
Monte Barret- Once sided beat down I'll give him credit as an exciting fight.
Lamon Brewster 1- Like against Purrity he beats the shit out of his journey man opponent and then runs out of gas a gets stopped.
Chris Byrd 2- One sided beat down but in exciting fashion.
Quick KO's:
Derrick Jefferson
Eliseo Castillo
Ray Austin
Lennox Lewis:
Exciting fights:
Frank Bruno: Great back and forth action the whole fight against two big bangers. Lewis scores a KO while down on the cards and when it looked like Bruno was going in for the kill. Great fight.
Ray Mercer- Great fight with back and forth action for all ten rounds. Extremly close fight.
Shannon Briggs- Very good fight. Briggs hurt lewis early and looks like he might stop him then Lewis come back and just kills him.
Evander Holyfield 2- Very good fight between the two top heavyweights at the time.
Vitali Klitschko- Great fight between two big men. Both fights hurt a few times almost dropped. Great fight.
Quick KO's:
Razor Ruddock
Shannon Briggs
Andrew Golota
Michael Grant
Frans Botha
Hasim Rahman 2
Lewis > Wlad
Lewis was more exciting, took more risks, was cooler under fire, was in better fights, wasn't scared to exchange and was more aggressive.
You can but Mercer in wlads list...it was exciting beating...i think lewis is ahead about be more exciting. Altought, good boxer never takes punches..you must try to avoid that:roll:
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 10:29 AM
It was Sultan that lunge din trying to land, wlad then hugged him to death before going back to his shuffle robotic style on the outside.Sultan lunged in once a round, he spent the rest of the time getting picked apart by jabs in the fetal position waving his right hand like he was trying to cool Klitscko's face, there is no way he would win like that, it was fucking ridiculous, his only chance was aggression but he didn't want to be KO'd, Wlad on the other hand didn't have to take chances, he could've have won the fight very easily from the outside with the jab, which he did.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:30 AM
If you really think that Sultan was more dangerous in his fight last night against wlad than Tua was when he fought Lewis.... Then you are delusional.:roll:
I dunno dangerous, but atleast bigger,southpaw and better movement..
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:30 AM
Damn, I thought Wlad made money in boxing :patsch Well if you think Wlad is an amateur vs LL, then you must think that LL is the greatest HW of all time. Good - we agree on that :yep
Hey Drago, chill with the biased analysis. I'm a fan of both and LL faught his share of no hoppers. Wlad has stopped Byrd, Brock, Austin, & Brew with relative ease, but now those fighters are all bums? Uh huh :-(
Im just pointing out the FACTS.
I wouldnt have even bothered posting anything about the fight last night IF it wasnt for all the Waldo nuthuggers chucking a hissy fit and bringing up the tua/lewis fight. Just because their boy performed so badly. :| :| :|
Relentless
02-24-2008, 10:31 AM
this is bullshit!!
sultan was the one going forward trying to set up combinations, wlad was the one just jabbing.
Irländsk
02-24-2008, 10:31 AM
Sultan did grab Wlad at every possible moment. He didn't clinch once.He used a different avoidance tactic, neither Akinwande or Sultan came to fight that is the point.
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:32 AM
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David Tua 19 vs Felix Savon 24
Sultan Ibraimov 25 vs Felix Savon 33
It was a man vs a boy when Tua fought Savon and it was a old man vs a man when he fought Imbragimov. Either way it's the amatuers and they mean shit in the pro game.
You have just been owned.:good
mixed it up? must've been watching a different holyfield/lewis.
and still, even if u wanna count tua and golota, wlad still has MANY many more spectacular ko's. again the point here isnt to knock lennox, but show how fing stupid a lot of people on these boards are. they cry and cry and cry about the state of the division and how there is no champion. and they point to lennox as the last division great. i just dont get it.
Bullshit. Who the fuck has Wlad knocked out who is even close to the level of the guys Lewis starched back in his day? And dont say Chris Byrd.
And of course Lewis is the last division great. Who the fuck else has there been?
BTW, Lewis never Koed Tua.
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:36 AM
I dunno dangerous, but atleast bigger,southpaw and better movement..Bigger??? Height wise yes but in reality Ibragimov should be fighting at cruiserweight. Tua was a natural heavyweight.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:37 AM
David Tua 19 vs Felix Savon 24
Sultan Ibraimov 25 vs Felix Savon 33
It was a man vs a boy when Tua fought Savon and it was a old man vs a man when he fought Imbragimov. Either way it's the amatuers and they mean shit in the pro game.
You have just been owned.:good
Agree, little bit..most Cuban fighters are man vs. kids..and Tua was very young, like was Brester, Briggs etc...
But you must agree also Tua is dwarf 5'10?! Very small heavyweight...reach is only 70'..
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:39 AM
Agree, little bit..most Cuban fighters are man vs. kids..and Tua was very young, like was Brester, Briggs etc...
But you must agree also Tua is dwarf 5'10?! Very small heavyweight...reach is only 70'..So was Tyson and??? Tua was a power house. Ibragimov is what 2 inches taller???
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02-24-2008, 10:40 AM
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So with that logic, you agree that Henry Tillman is a much better fighter than Mike Tyson and Tyrell Biggs beats Lennox Lewis every time, right?
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:40 AM
Was was Tyson and??? Tua was a power house. Ibragimov is what 2 inches taller???
Tua was an Absolute MONSTER compared to ibragimov.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:41 AM
Was was Tyson and??? Tua was a power house. Ibragimov is what 2 inches taller???
Tyson is also very small against Lewis, Briggs or Klitchkos...he also outboxed by Byrd, who get easily mauled by wlad, of course style make fight, but still...
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:42 AM
Tua was an Absolute MONSTER compared to ibragimov.Tua NOW might KO Ibragimov. Image what Tua from 99-2000 would have done to him.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:42 AM
So with that logic, you agree that Henry Tillman is a much better fighter than Mike Tyson and Tyrell Biggs beats Lennox Lewis every time, right?
No way, but lennox vs. tua is not prove anything neather...
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:43 AM
Tyson is also very small against Lewis, Briggs or Klitchkos...he also outboxed by Byrd, who get easily mauled by wlad, of course style make fight, but still...Smartest thing to said in this whole thread.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:45 AM
Smartest thing to said in this whole thread.
I hope Tua start to fight again and might there would be someday klitchko vs. tua...
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:45 AM
No way, but lennox vs. tua is not prove anything neather...It proved that Lewis actually throws punches unlike Wlad which was the point of the whole thread. People talk about Lewis being boring and yet they show a highlight of the Tua fight which is Lewis' most boring fight and yet he throws more punches then Wlad did against Ibragimov and it was against a much more dangerous opponent.
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:46 AM
I hope Tua start to fight again and might there would be someday klitchko vs. tua...What are you 12??? Oh yeah that will show us Tua almost 10 years removed from his prime against a prime Klitschko.:patsch :-(
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Tua NOW might KO Ibragimov. Image what Tua from 99-2000 would have done to him.
LOL. Hell... I would even give him a chance against Wlad:hey
man was a monster for sure
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ron u.k.
02-24-2008, 10:46 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.silly,silly hugger.
PLEASE don't compare the great Lennox Lewis to Wlad
Lennox was a tactician, but at the same time he knew when to pull the trigger. Wlad is so fucking scared of getting hit, we might as well chop off his right arm
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:48 AM
It proved that Lewis actually throws punches unlike Wlad which was the point of the whole thread. People talk about Lewis being boring and yet they show a highlight of the Tua fight which is Lewis' most boring fight and yet he throws more punches then Wlad did against Ibragimov and it was against a much more dangerous opponent.
Yes, but he also take punches much more than wladimir take's...i thing lewis was smart fighter, not boring..only stupid takes punches..
Erebus
02-24-2008, 10:50 AM
Yes, but he also take punches much more than wladimir take's...i thing lewis was smart fighter, not boring..only stupid takes punches..
He took more punches because he was fighting a higher Calibre of fighter than waldo.
Dorfmeister
02-24-2008, 10:51 AM
Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis has no comparision to yesterday night. Both fighters were deliberately on the attack and exchanged with good variety of punches. Both of them were intense and fully commited fighters, not just technically sound or strategically wise. The biggest fight Wladimir has been in was with Samuel Peter and because it was a eliminator, and even that fight was more entertaining due to Peter's willingness to come forward.
Sakura
02-24-2008, 10:51 AM
What are you 12??? Oh yeah that will show us Tua almost 10 years removed from his prime against a prime Klitschko.:patsch :-(
11...just kidding:deal Wlad never cant be as great as lewis was, even he fights 100 years and 10 fight a year..there is no good opponents. Case close..
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:52 AM
Yes, but he also take punches much more than wladimir take's...i thing lewis was smart fighter, not boring..only stupid takes punches..
This is boxing you have to get hit sometimes. Yeah Lewis got hit more times the Wlad did BUT Tua is so much better then Ibragimov and threw so many more punches and came foward the whole fight.
CASH_718
02-24-2008, 10:54 AM
11...just kidding:deal Wlad never cant be as great as lewis was, even he fights 100 years and 10 fight a year..there is no good opponents. Case close..That actually works out better for him because he wouldn't have a belt if the division was the same as in Lewis' time.
barneyrub
02-24-2008, 11:00 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.The differnce is Lewis threw combinations and mixed it up. Wlad seems like he has never heard of an uppercut, i cant recall him ever throwing one, I found the Holyfield fights entertaining because at least a variety of punches were being thrown.
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ron u.k.
02-24-2008, 11:01 AM
although dominant,wlad still fought terrified.the first guy he fights who is big,not intimidated with a decent punch and chin will stop him.
joe the great
02-24-2008, 11:04 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
Lewis did have some boring fights but his KO's over Ruddock and Michael Grant were exciting.
Asterion
02-24-2008, 11:05 AM
Lennox Lewis had exciting and unexciting fights.
Same goes for Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, etc.
Erebus
02-24-2008, 11:06 AM
The differnce is Lewis threw combinations and mixed it up. Wlad seems like he has never heard of an uppercut, i cant recall him ever throwing one, I found the Holyfield fights entertaining because at least a variety of punches were being thrown.
Lewis Holy,
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LOL. At 2:14 of that clip, If arthur mercante jr. hadnt of ducked he would have been Ko'd. Holyfield just misses him :rofl
Asterion
02-24-2008, 11:07 AM
11...just kidding:deal Wlad never cant be as great as lewis was, even he fights 100 years and 10 fight a year..there is no good opponents. Case close..
You are probably correct.
He obviusly can't be better than Ali or Louis. And won't be better than Holmes or Lewis.
jupzrooni
02-25-2008, 11:17 PM
lewis - tua was exciting
PATSYS
02-25-2008, 11:35 PM
The thing with Lewis is that you do not know which one will show up in the fight. He could be the tactical boring guy in one fight (Tua, Holyfield) and be the aggresive KO artist in the next (Briggs, Ruddock, Golota, Vitali, Grant).
Nevertheless, he is HW ATG #3 in my books.
Farmboxer
02-26-2008, 12:54 AM
Lewis, Tua, hugging dance. However, Lewis showed us some excting fights also.
cuchulain
02-26-2008, 02:02 AM
come on, ur kidding. a-1 remember lewis-holyfield one? as i recall...a 12 round jab fest in a unification of allegedly two of the greats.
i think people are remembering lewis a lil too romantically. he only had a few big ko's that i can recall, and they were loooong drawn out ones (cept against golota).
wlad in his career has had many more explosive ko's. kinda sick of hearing how after ONE fight like this, wlad is a boring fighter. if its not one thing its another with a lot of these people...
the guy won, get over it.
I'm a Klitschko fan, but he still has a long way to go to reach Lennox's level, either in skill or excitement.
But (save for Saturday last) he's still improving.
He could get there.
Rock0052
02-26-2008, 03:25 AM
Apparently it's just that time of the month at ESB, and Wlad happens to be the target of the bitchfest this time
Banjostring
02-26-2008, 03:38 AM
You can call anyone with a decent jab "boring", because if you have a good one, it's the safest punch to throw and for Lennox & Wlad, it just happens to be their most effective one.
Both fighters had a tendancy to be overly technical and rely on winning rounds rather than winning fights despite the fact that both have tremendous KO power.
I wouldn't call Lewis boring, even if he had one or two stinkers - show me a fighter who didn't. I wish Wlad wasn't so scared to trade, but given his record, who can blame him? Wlad's also a victim of his era - there are simply no thrilling matches to make, so he probably will be remembered as a good but dull fighter.
barneyrub
02-26-2008, 06:46 AM
Lewis, Tua, hugging dance. However, Lewis showed us some excting fights also.There were about 2 clinches in the whole 12 rounds of the Tua fight actually.
DamonD
02-26-2008, 07:19 AM
To be exact - 26.
An average of 2 per round.
I counted them up a couple years ago, when someone (might well have been Farmy actually, some rabid Wladimir fan) was getting upset about the complaints from Wladimir clinching Peter a lot.
And only about 5 of them were proper 'hold on and wait to be seperated' clinches, the rest were positional changes, held and released in about a second.
achillesthegreat
02-26-2008, 07:44 AM
Lewis was exciting. I could name ten very exciting fights.
His bouts with Klitchsko and Mercer are stand outs. However fights with Grant, Bruno, Botha, Rahman etc are exciting either in great rounds of amazing finishes.
Jazzo
02-26-2008, 07:55 AM
Lewis always excited me greatly.
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