What did Povetkin most likely think, watching Wlad last night?

[Decebal]

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[196osh]

Wrong forum old chap :good

[RealIzm]

Lounge ya bastard:lol: :lol:

[Decebal]

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[surreal deal]

Good thread Decebal,but........................:D

[Decebal]

Good thread Decebal,but........................:D

I know...sorry...too many Wlad threads, eh?:think

[surreal deal]

I know...sorry...too many Wlad threads, eh?:think
Wlad?
Dont you swear at me mate:nono

[Decebal]

Wlad?
Dont you swear at me mate:nono

:lol:

[huki]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.

[Decebal]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.

Povetkin is tough, mentally strong and gives it his all in there.:deal No safety first with this boy!:nono Yeah, everyone says Wlad is going to win...and indeed he can, if he really wants to, but is he prepared to lay it all on the line, like Povetkin? I am not convinced at all. :verysad

I think Povetkin took heart from what he saw last night.

[mofo2]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.I think your right...........Wlad always seems afraid to mix it up to me,he does'nt like being hit or pressurised

[am0kgonzo]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.

Your prediction for this fight will probably be as accurate as your prediction for the Chambers fight. :rofl

[pasky2000]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.

First Povetkin needs an upgrade to his defence or else his face will look like Vitali's versus Lewis !

[Lampley]

jab jab hold push jab hold push jab jab jab hold push jab right cross ko

And not by Povetkin.

[Decebal]

jab jab hold push jab hold push jab jab jab hold push jab right cross ko

And not by Povetkin.

Yeah! Worked sooo well against Sultan!:roll:

[Decebal]

If Klitschko couldn't get it up for Sultan, will he get it up for a pressure fighter who is willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there, like Povetkin?

[KobeIsGod]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.

im sorry and i know u usually do a great job analyzing but im going to have disagree. Mentally weak? Maybe he lacks in-ring confidence or a killer instinct but no mentally weak person could have been stopped three times, rebuild his career through hard work and dedication, change his style, and become the hw champ of the world. that shows great heart and character. he's never quit or been counted out.

u should watch the peter fight and reaccess your opinion. peter forced him to fight in the last 3 rounds and he outslugged him after being on the canvas 3x

and u know my opinion on wlad-povetkin :yep

[Lampley]

Yeah! Worked sooo well against Sultan!:roll:

The Sultan of last night is an entirely different fighter from Povetkin.

If what you say about Povetkin is true, that he'll show tremendous heart and pressure Wladimir, how can you disagree?

[the_Hawk]

Yeah! Worked sooo well against Sultan!:roll:

Sultan's only intention was to survive... Povetkin will fight like a lion and well... Lets wait and see where it gets him.

[Bigcat]

He will be thinking How the hell do you get past that jab.. He will have the same problems Sultan had last night.. I felt sorry for Ibragimov , he was trying too hard in the late rounds , it looked kinda despairate..

[Decebal]

The Sultan of last night is an entirely different fighter from Povetkin.

If what you say about Povetkin is true, that he'll show tremendous heart and pressure Wladimir, how can you disagree?

Of course they're different. But if Wlad is risk-averse when it comes to mixing it up and getting down and dirty...will he beat a Povetkin who will give it everything just with his jab?

[twopiece]

Povetkin and Sultan have very different fighting styles. The 'jab and grab' routine would work marvelously well to soften up Povetkin. He also doesn't know how to stop flush straight rights.

I don't see him getting in any meaningful punches on Wlad before getting stopped. Wlad desperately tries to avoid taking a shot.

[Lampley]

Of course they're different. But if Wlad is risk-averse when it comes to mixing it up and getting down and dirty...will he beat a Povetkin who will give it everything just with his jab?

He will make Povetkin catch hell with the jab, and as Alex will move forward and let his hands go -- without the fearsome power of a Peter -- he will be exposed to timed power shots that will rock him silly. He doesn't have the size, punch or defense to contend with Klitschko. Bad matchup for him.

Wladimir would have been happy to trade with Sultan, had his opponent offered any real offense. All Ibragimov did was lunge in desperately from time to time, with no real intention to do damage. I agree that WK should have looked to counter more frequently, but he was given the fight on a platter and accepted it.

If Povetkin insists on letting his hands go against a guy with all the physical advantages except stamina, he'll get crushed.

[Decebal]

Ok...WK v. AP analysis aside, let's get back to what Povetkin will have taken from last night's fight.:good

[huki]

Your prediction for this fight will probably be as accurate as your prediction for the Chambers fight. :rofl I got the winner right. All the best analysts thought Povetkin would win by stoppage.

im sorry and i know u usually do a great job analyzing but im going to have disagree. Mentally weak? Maybe he lacks in-ring confidence or a killer instinct but no mentally weak person could have been stopped three times, rebuild his career through hard work and dedication, change his style, and become the hw champ of the world. that shows great heart and character. he's never quit or been counted out.

u should watch the peter fight and reaccess your opinion. peter forced him to fight in the last 3 rounds and he outslugged him after being on the canvas 3x

and u know my opinion on wlad-povetkin :yep
He is not mentally weak for the average boxer, he is mentally weak for a champion. There is no doubt Povetkin would make Wlad work harder than anyone has, especially Sultan. Ibragimov fought at Wlad's pace and still made Wlad fight scared. Povetkin will make him work 3 minutes of every round and break him down. Klitschko panics when someone is throwing punches at him and wastes a lot of energy just from that. He's used to opponents like Ibragimov fighting his fight and not pushing themselves with confidence and a solid, non-sloppy attack.

jab jab hold push jab hold push jab jab jab hold push jab right cross ko

And not by Povetkin.
And what happens after 6 rounds if Wlad throws those punches and Povetkin takes them? Klitschko is not a confident fighter and that's why he performed the way he did last night. He was afraid of doing too much and gassing out and he was afraid of getting countered by a quick fighter. Povetkin is a much better fighter than Ibragimov with a much better chin/stamina/mentality.

We'll see.

[ChrisPontius]

If Klitschko couldn't get it up for Sultan, will he get it up for a pressure fighter who is willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there, like Povetkin?

Peter was willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there and it didn't help him.

Wlad didn't fight more aggressive because he didn't need to. Boring, but a shut-out win nonetheless. So why should Wlad "get it up"? Sultan was on the backfoot all night, but Povetkin comes forward all the time, a swarmer if you will. He won't need to look for him. Swarmer vs puncher never favors the swarmer, just ask Patterson when he fought Liston or Frazier when he fought Foreman.

[huki]

Ok...WK v. AP analysis aside, let's get back to what Povetkin will have taken from last night's fight.:good Hopefully he understood Wlad is mentally weak and still thinks about his losses when he's in the ring. He has improved his style, but his mentality is pretty much the same. Povetkin should understand that one doens't have to be more skilled than Klitschko to beat him, you just need to make Wlad work, take his punches, make him lose confidence, and when he starts gassing and breaking down that's when you push with everything you've got and go for the kill. Steward knows Wlad is mentally weak and he understands what solid, at least B+ level fighters with a chin and great mental strength could do to A level mentally-weak champions. He was disappointed in Wlad yesterday and I think he'll try to improve his mindset the way he tried with Cintron.. unfortunately that rarely works with fighters.

Wlad is like a more talented HW version of Kermit Cintron who has better physical advantages over his opponents and could stick to gameplans better. :lol:

Peter was willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there and it didn't help him.

Wlad didn't fight more aggressive because he didn't need to. Boring, but a shut-out win nonetheless. So why should Wlad "get it up"? Sultan was on the backfoot all night, but Povetkin comes forward all the time, a swarmer if you will. He won't need to look for him. Swarmer vs puncher never favors the swarmer, just ask Patterson when he fought Liston or Frazier when he fought Foreman. Peter also isn't as skilled as Povetkin and his stamina isn't nearly as good. He was also even more green than Povetkin is now at the time.

Wlad could have fought aggressive and he wanted to. Steward wanted him to. But he couldn't. Why? Because he's mentally weak. It's not hard to tell. When someone is throwing punches at Wlad, most of the time he doesn't punch back, he usually panics and tries to stop the attack by doing everything but punching back. He wastes a lot of energy doing that and if Povetkin takes his right hands after 8 rounds you could imagine how tired he will be later in the fight.

Oh, and Wlad doesn't have the toughness, chin, stamina, or mental strength of Liston and Foreman. Bad comparisons.

[Lampley]

And what happens after 6 rounds if Wlad throws those punches and Povetkin takes them? Klitschko is not a confident fighter and that's why he performed the way he did last night. He was afraid of doing too much and gassing out and he was afraid of getting countered by a quick fighter. Povetkin is a much better fighter than Ibragimov with a much better chin/stamina/mentality.

We'll see.

Povetkin won't be on his feet if he gets caught the way Chambers got him through the first half of their fight. And Alex didn't strike me as having a granite chin, based on some of his reactions to those shots. We know for certain that Chambers can't punch for shit.

The Brewster theory is valid, I guess. But you have to believe that Povetkin will take numberous flush right hands and eventually win on workrate against a fighter who no longer tires himself out.

Maybe he would make Wladimir work that hard, but Peter -- a significantly better puncher than Povetkin -- was unable to achieve that result. In fact, Peter's strong chin (softened up that night, IMO) nearly gave way late. Povetkin might land more, but he'll be getting tagged and leaned on in the process. My guess is he doesn't make it to the final bell, or even come close.

[bumdujour]

what he thought???

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING!!!

[Decebal]

I got the winner right. All the best analysts thought Povetkin would win by stoppage.

C Money didn't!:bart

[KobeIsGod]

Hopefully he understood Wlad is mentally weak and still thinks about his losses when he's in the ring. He has improved his style, but his mentality is pretty much the same. Povetkin should understand that one doens't have to be more skilled than Klitschko to beat him, you just need to make Wlad work, take his punches, make him lose confidence, and when he starts gassing and breaking down that's when you push with everything you've got and go for the kill. Steward knows Wlad is mentally weak and he understands what solid, at least B+ level fighters with a chin and great mental strength could do to A level mentally-weak champions. He was disappointed in Wlad yesterday and I think he'll try to improve his mindset the way he tried with Cintron.. unfortunately that rarely works with fighters.

Wlad is like a more talented HW version of Kermit Cintron who has better physical advantages over his opponents and could stick to gameplans better. :lol:


Peter also isn't as skilled as Povetkin and his stamina isn't nearly as good. He was also even more green than Povetkin is now at the time.

Wlad could have fought aggressive and he wanted to. Steward wanted him to. But he couldn't. Why? Because he's mentally weak. It's not hard to tell. When someone is throwing punches at Wlad, most of the time he doesn't punch back, he panics and tries to stop the attack by doing anything he could. He wastes a lot of energy doing that and if Povetkin takes his right hands after 8 rounds you could imagine how tired he will be later in the fight.

i feel u r way too hard on wlad. but if you're not a fan, ur not a fan. look i really like povetkin, but what makes u so sure he can get around wlad's jab and right hand. imo, he needs to fight a good puncher first to see how he reacts to big shots. the swelling has to be a big concern. wlad's jab could completely close poevetkin's eyes.

[am0kgonzo]

I got the winner right. All the best analysts thought Povetkin would win by stoppage.


He is not mentally weak for the average boxer, he is mentally weak for a champion. There is no doubt Povetkin would make Wlad work harder than anyone has, especially Sultan. Ibragimov fought at Wlad's pace and still made Wlad fight scared. Povetkin will make him work 3 minutes of every round and break him down. Klitschko panics when someone is throwing punches at him and wastes a lot of energy just from that. He's used to opponents like Ibragimov fighting his fight and not pushing themselves with confidence and a solid, non-sloppy attack.


And what happens after 6 rounds if Wlad throws those punches and Povetkin takes them? Klitschko is not a confident fighter and that's why he performed the way he did last night. He was afraid of doing too much and gassing out and he was afraid of getting countered by a quick fighter. Povetkin is a much better fighter than Ibragimov with a much better chin/stamina/mentality.

We'll see.

You thought Povetkin would walk right through Chambers without any problems at all, I`d say your prediction was quite off. Just as your prediction of Wlad vs Povetkin is.

[Punisher33]

Anyone with above average power and a good chin have a chance of beating Wlad, pressure is the key to beating Wlad, you got to be willing to take his punches to give your own. Wlad is obviously afraid of getting hit, after last night, now more people are agreeing with what I been saying for years, it's only a matter of time before someone pressures him the right away, and breaks his weak chin and pyshe in the ring again.

[Lampley]

Anyone with above average power and a good chin have a chance of beating Wlad, pressure is the key to beating Wlad, you got to be willing to take his punches to give your own. Wlad is obviously afraid of getting hit, after last night, now more people are agreeing with what I been saying for years, it's only a matter of time before someone pressures him the right away, and breaks his weak chin and pyshe in the ring again.

Why wasn't Peter able to do it?

Easier said than done.

[Punisher33]

Why wasn't Peter able to do it?

Easier said than done. Yes it is, but look what a 25 yearold Peter was able to do, he landed punches, floored him, and hurt him. Peter's inexperience is what lost him that fight, everytime he had Wlad hurt, he would go and smother alot of his punches. That fight was one of Wlads toughest as well, he only ended up winning by 3 points on all of the judges scorecards.

[PH|LLA]

he was most likely thinking

"god damn i'll never get a big payday fighting him now"

[Cerberus]

Povetkin was thinking "I want NO part of that giant robot"

Sultan Ibragimov and Jeff Mayweather, for whatever reason, was satisfied with boxing Wlad from the outside. It's almost as if they didn't care to win the fight, just survive the full 12... even going into the last round, you can still hear Jeff tellin Sultan to use head movement.. wtf? Fuck head movemment. Go in there and knock the mf out!

On my scorecards, Wlad won every round after the first which i scored an even round... Sultan never took any chances, satisfied with staying outside eating Wlad's jab all night long. He never pushed Wlad into a fight, so that's why the fight was so damn boring. Wlad barely threw his right hand. Unlike Sultan, Povetkin will try to take it inside with Wlad. He will force Wlad to engage. And Wlad will knock his fat ass out, I'm afraid...

[Bigcat]

He just didn't have the tools it required to conquer a man with Wladimirs dimensions... He tried so hard too...

[KobeIsGod]

he was thinking i better learn how to move my head or waldo's jab is gonna swell my frggin eyes shut

[curmudgeon]

You thought Povetkin would walk right through Chambers without any problems at all, I`d say your prediction was quite off. Just as your prediction of Wlad vs Povetkin is.
Povetkin did walk through Chambers. He shrugged off Chambers' best shots and shut him out. Look at the scores.

[Farmboxer]

Povetkin is a very good fighter, but he won't be able to walk through Vlad's punches.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Nice coverup with the title change. :lol:

Povetkin will beat Wlad no matter when they fight. Klitschko again proved how mentally weak he is and Povetkin will make him work like nobody has. He will take Wlad's shots when he needs to, throw more punches than anyone has, will not be hesitant or too patient, will constantly frustrate him and make him panic, and break him down physically/mentally as the fight goes into the later rounds, then stop him.
I will expect for you to give Wlad full credit when he beats Povetkin.

[KobeIsGod]

I will expect for you to give Wlad full credit when he beats Povetkin.

widdow, i agree. i just dont see how povetkin can trouble wlad at this point. i like him and think he has great upside but it's a one-sided matchup right now. Povetkin is way too hittable and will be right in front of Wlad. no head movement. he's only effective inside. he'd be walking right into punches. It would get really ugly.

Pressure is great and all but he's gonna take a hell of a beating.

[kg0208]

widdow, i agree. i just dont see how povetkin can trouble wlad at this point. i like him and think he has great upside but it's a one-sided matchup right now. Povetkin is way too hittable and will be right in front of Wlad. no head movement. he's only effective inside. he'd be walking right into punches. It would get really ugly.

Pressure is great and all but he's gonna take a hell of a beating.

Interesting match up IMO. I would take Wlad by KO in the late rounds. However, this is assuming that under pressure, Wlad throws counters like he did against Peter, and not like last night where he seemed tentative. I assume last night was an anomaly as far as his demeanor and that he will catch Povetkin coming in.

[Brand]

Interesting match up IMO. I would take Wlad by KO in the late rounds. However, this is assuming that under pressure, Wlad throws counters like he did against Peter, and not like last night where he seemed tentative. I assume last night was an anomaly as far as his demeanor and that he will catch Povetkin coming in.

KG, do you think maybe he was so tentative and coutious cause Vitali is coming back and last time they had the chance to hold the titles at the same time he lost to Brewster

[aceshigh]

he is still asleep from it

[kg0208]

KG, do you think maybe he was so tentative and coutious cause Vitali is coming back and last time they had the chance to hold the titles at the same time he lost to Brewster

Never thought of that....and to be honest, with anyone else I would say that it was crazy to think that, but with Wlad, he and his brother seem to be dead set on this, so it might be the case.

It would still mean that he is a bit reluctant to engage because if this were the case, he would be cautious because he didn't want to risk getting caught and losing the opportunity to make history with his brother. So he took no chances. If he was confident that he could take a shot, he would have gone after the KO because it was obvious that he could have stopped Ibragimov, he was simply worried about the risk of getting stopped himself in the process.

Doesn't matter much in the big scheme since he won and is on his way to unification. I know he fights better than he showed last night, and all fighters have off nights. However, Chagaev in my estimation is a bit more skilled offensively and more dangerous than Ibragimov. I am interested to see his encounter with him.

[Brand]

Never thought of that....and to be honest, with anyone else I would say that it was crazy to think that, but with Wlad, he and his brother seem to be dead set on this, so it might be the case.

It would still mean that he is a bit reluctant to engage because if this were the case, he would be cautious because he didn't want to risk getting caught and losing the opportunity to make history with his brother. So he took no chances. If he was confident that he could take a shot, he would have gone after the KO because it was obvious that he could have stopped Ibragimov, he was simply worried about the risk of getting stopped himself in the process.

Doesn't matter much in the big scheme since he won and is on his way to unification. I know he fights better than he showed last night, and all fighters have off nights. However, Chagaev in my estimation is a bit more skilled offensively and more dangerous than Ibragimov. I am interested to see his encounter with him.

agree, it was dissappointing and boring fight. he should have thrown his right hand more. Sultan was open to the right hand throughout the fight. let's hope next fight would be better

[hitman_hatton1]

"let me at him" :yep :bbb

[franknstein]

If Klitschko couldn't get it up for Sultan, will he get it up for a pressure fighter who is willing to take a lot of punishment to get in there, like Povetkin?

Maybe just because of that?

[Ambition_Def]

Probably what he already knew about Waldo. The fact that he jabs all night and grabs when you get into your punching range is well known by now.

It isn't gonna be easy beating a man who fights like John Ruiz who is that big. He's gonna have to be smart about avoiding the grab. Ducking way down and getting the ref on his side will be instrumental. Also investing heavily downstairs when those big arms come up to grab.

Superior head movement, deflecting the jab, stepping in to force him to grab or open up and then pounding his body. Do this over 12 rounds if need be. Just don't linger on the end of his jab where he'll eventually be throwing right hands. Povetkin is pretty solid about this so I don't think it'll be a problem.

[franknstein]

To be honest, I think Povetkin will have looked at it like a professional and will know now that he is in for a hell of a lot of work against wlad. The awkwardness of klitschkos last fight isn't going to be cheering up any fighter that has to fight him in the near future.