View Full Version : What was up with all the arm slapping from Wladimir?
Flatlander
02-24-2008, 11:07 PM
I kept waiting for a warning for it but it never came. It is not a legal punch and he looked like a damn sissy.
it's not much different than a parry. he's deflecting a blow.
Punisher33
02-24-2008, 11:11 PM
So is leaning on a fighters back, but Wlad rarely gets warned for that either, thats why Iggy flipped him on his back. I think Wlad was just trying to scare him, also to bring his hands down so he can land the big right.
Flatlander
02-24-2008, 11:11 PM
Hitting with the palm of the glove is not a legal punch
Farmboxer
02-24-2008, 11:37 PM
The tactic is nothing new and is legal for god's sake.
IntentionalButt
02-24-2008, 11:40 PM
Anything that isn't a punch is an illegal move? Is it illegal to blink? How about wriggling your toes, is that illegal in a boxing match?
Not really an offensive maneuver, so I see no cause for a discussion of legality as it gave no unfair advantage in scoring points.
As a defensive tactic, it was not only effective but hilarious to watch.
cpnasty
02-24-2008, 11:48 PM
How is it illegal?
Farmboxer
02-24-2008, 11:51 PM
It isn't illegal, that is clear.
Peter's extremely illegal punches behind the head is illegal, no doubt about that one. Terry Norris lost his title because of a punch behind the head to the base of the skull.
PolishPummler
02-24-2008, 11:56 PM
Actually he picked it from Byrd.
Used it against Byrd in the 2nd fight and overused it last night.
Farmboxer
02-24-2008, 11:57 PM
Vlad used to before Byrd, check out his earlier fights. I haven't seen his do that for years.
PolishPummler
02-24-2008, 11:58 PM
Vlad used to before Byrd, check out his earlier fights. I haven't seen his do that for years.
May have something to do with Southpaws.
Farmboxer
02-25-2008, 12:01 AM
I will have to go back and watch the earlier fights I have, but he used to do it often, although not as much as vs. Ibragimov. You can get Vlad's fights on DVD.
boxbox
02-25-2008, 12:37 AM
he was obviously trying to hurt Iggy with it probably because it's blocking his view. I don't think its illegal. I think its a pussy move tho.
divac
02-25-2008, 03:41 AM
There was nothing illegal about it. Obviously Vlad spent more time worrying about blocking Sultan's jab by jackhammering it than he did punching at Sultan......
What Vlad did was not illegal though, he did it with a closed fist, unlike Byrd who likes to use an open hand to defend. which btw is illegal.
Yeah, Byrd did it to Povetkin all night.
barneyrub
02-25-2008, 05:18 AM
It wasnt the palm of the glove and he has done this in several fights. It is apparently legal.no, often it was his forearm!
Flatlander
02-25-2008, 09:39 AM
It is not a legal punch. There are areas of the glove that are legal and the palm is not one of those areas. Also, as some have mentioned the use of the forearm is never legal.
D_knowsboxing
02-25-2008, 09:53 AM
If he would have done something with all those slaps, then we wouldn't have anything to talk about....
bigjake
02-25-2008, 09:58 AM
May have something to do with Southpaws.
he'd never try that against a right handed fighter,he'd be eating rights hand shots all night
Flatlander
02-25-2008, 10:01 AM
Yeah, Byrd did it to Povetkin all night.
Byrd has a annoying habit of pawing with the right hand but he does not slap the other man's arm with it.
bigjake
02-25-2008, 10:06 AM
[quote=Flatlander]Byrd has a annoying habit of pawing with the right hand but he does not slap the other man's arm with it.[/quote
it'll be interesting if wlad fights someone that can punch,that fighting scared might get him ko'ed
Tony Harrison
02-25-2008, 10:09 AM
It seems as much a sign of disrespect as anything tactical. As though he was dissmissing Sultan's jab as a mere inconveinience which it unfortunately was.
What a poor excuse for a heavyweight unification fight!
mike464
02-25-2008, 10:16 AM
Hitting with the palm of the glove is not a legal punchTell that to Calzaghe
WiDDoW_MaKeR
02-25-2008, 10:19 AM
I bet it wore Ibragimov's arm out... so it worked.
jsimps
02-25-2008, 10:22 AM
This was a shit fight. The best thing about that night was the replay of Pavlik v Taylor. Wlad was freaking playing patty-cake with him all night. He could have taken him out if he would have thrown at least one right hand. I hate the HW division.
Loufatski
02-25-2008, 10:29 AM
I kept waiting for a warning for it but it never came. It is not a legal punch and he looked like a damn sissy.
Yea, he was doing the Chris Byrd thing.
bigjake
02-25-2008, 10:33 AM
Yea, he was doing the Chris Byrd thing.
how would a golota vs. wlad fight go??
Flatlander
02-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Yea, he was doing the Chris Byrd thing.
Not hardly, as I have already stated, Byrd has an annoying habit with pawing with the right hand but he does not slap an opponents arm with it or his forearm.
dragosuhail
02-25-2008, 10:56 AM
Flatlander, you misunderstood what the rule means.
wladimir was knocking sultans lead hand down because of his height advantage the natural way for him to push sultans guard away is down, rather than more traditionally to the side.
the rule states you cannot strike an opponent with the palm of your hand. in other words you cannot hit them in the head or body with an open palm.
wladimir wasn't attacking sultan with an open palm. he was simply doing an extremely aggressive deflection move against sultans lead jabbing hand. that's all.
if wladimir tried to punch sultan in the head or body with the inside of his glove then yes, it's illegal.
EDIT: sultan's hand, and right down his forearm is considered his guard. not a bodyshot (ribs, solar plexus, lower stomach, chest etc.)
Yeah, that tactic is really old, in the Shufford fight he used it to pull Shufford's hands down right before a straight right that put Shufford down.
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Its called "cat fighting"
WiDDoW_MaKeR
02-25-2008, 11:43 AM
Not hardly, as I have already stated, Byrd has an annoying habit with pawing with the right hand but he does not slap an opponents arm with it or his forearm.
Yes he does.
Its called "cat fighting"
It definitely made me think 'pussy'
mike464
02-25-2008, 12:48 PM
It's illegal.
aceshigh
02-25-2008, 01:34 PM
Its his mating call
marauder1999
02-25-2008, 01:37 PM
If he would have done something with all those slaps, then we wouldn't have anything to talk about....
Isnt there another slapper in the biz,,,,?
Asterion
02-25-2008, 01:58 PM
It is not illegal. If it was illegal the referee would have warned him -in this and the many fights he used it before.
joeboxer
02-25-2008, 02:37 PM
I kept waiting for a warning for it but it never came. It is not a legal punch and he looked like a damn sissy.its perfectly legal. he's blocking the punch with his fist.
Boxfan1
02-25-2008, 02:37 PM
The idea is to slap the arm down hard enough that you end up leaning into Wlad. This exposes your right side (if a southpaw) to either a double jab or a jab off the hook. Iggy realized that and leaned back even further. This translated into a boring fight because Iggy didn't want to get hit, and Wlad could not get into power punching range.
IntentionalButt
02-25-2008, 06:24 PM
It seems as much a sign of disrespect as anything tactical. As though he was dissmissing Sultan's jab as a mere inconveinience which it unfortunately was.
What a poor excuse for a heavyweight unification fight!
:good
PolishPummler
02-25-2008, 06:31 PM
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Watch Byrd.
Blacc Jesus
02-25-2008, 06:39 PM
It's a parry.
JETSKI
02-25-2008, 07:04 PM
I'm not fuckin' saying one word about that fight.
IntentionalButt
02-25-2008, 07:15 PM
I'm not fuckin' saying one word about that fight.
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Starting...now? :D
Mindspring
02-25-2008, 07:51 PM
Isnt there another slapper in the biz,,,,?
Slappy Joe?:roll:
D_knowsboxing
02-25-2008, 07:59 PM
Isnt there another slapper in the biz,,,,?
With Wlad/byrd at least they slapped the jab down. Calz slaps instead of punching.
If Floyd Was Doing That He Would Be Owning His Opponent right? "Floyd's So Good, He Just Slapped His Jab Down"....! What A Joke You Kids Are.
Fighting Weight
02-25-2008, 09:31 PM
If Floyd Was Doing That He Would Be Owning His Opponent right? "Floyd's So Good, He Just Slapped His Jab Down"....! What A Joke You Kids Are.
Please don't make WALDO/Floyd comparisons, you just make yourself look silly.
Bslice
02-25-2008, 11:09 PM
As young boys Wlad and Vitaly often played tag using this open palmed pawing motion. To this day Wlad has been know to employ this technique often reminding him of the summers he and his brother Vitaly shared together playfully pawing at one another.
.....Wlads totally gay
Flatlander
02-26-2008, 01:15 AM
its perfectly legal. he's blocking the punch with his fist.
No it is not a legal punch. When you try to injure a fighter by bruising his arm with your forearm it is not a legal punch. Nor is it legal to try to do so with the palm of the glove. That is not a legal defensive move nor is it defensive at all. It is an illegal offensive act meant to cause injury. Wlad came down on Sultan's are with his forearm with a lot of force. He was trying to injure him.
Farmboxer
02-26-2008, 01:41 AM
It is legal, they have done it for many years now, haven't seen Vlad do it for a long time, but it's legal.
PolishPummler
02-26-2008, 01:43 AM
No it is not a legal punch. When you try to injure a fighter by bruising his arm with your forearm it is not a legal punch. Nor is it legal to try to do so with the palm of the glove. That is not a legal defensive move nor is it defensive at all. It is an illegal offensive act meant to cause injury. Wlad came down on Sultan's are with his forearm with a lot of force. He was trying to injure him.
He picked it up from your boy.
He just does it with more agression,size,and force behind it.
Flatlander
02-26-2008, 01:47 AM
He picked it up from your boy.
He just does it with more agression,size,and force behind it.
My boy??? Was that a racist comment? My son does not box but it you are talking about Byrd then you are wrong. He paws at the other man's jab but he has never slapped at a fighter's arm.
PolishPummler
02-26-2008, 01:49 AM
My boy??? Was that a racist comment? My son does not box but it you are talking about Byrd then you are wrong. He paws at the other man's jab but he has never slapped at a fighter's arm.
Didnt say a racist thing so stop with the garbage.
He does what Byrd did but better.
Flatlander
02-26-2008, 01:52 AM
Didnt say a racist thing so stop with the garbage.
He does what Byrd did but better.
You are a clueless racist twit. Byrd never did anything like Wlad did against Sultan.
PolishPummler
02-26-2008, 01:53 AM
You are a clueless racist twit. Byrd never did anything like Wlad did against Sultan.
Im racist now:shock:
PolishPummler
02-26-2008, 01:54 AM
Wlad's slap down is better than Byrd's.
timber
02-26-2008, 02:00 AM
With Wlad/byrd at least they slapped the jab down. Calz slaps instead of punching.
WTF, at least Calzaghe fights are entertaining and he's not scared to take a few to land a few.
Worst unification fight in history!
It's illegal.
No it's not.
It is not illegal. If it was illegal the referee would have warned him -in this and the many fights he used it before.
He's not punching Asterion. It was 100% legal.
boxeo#1
02-26-2008, 04:45 AM
I kept waiting for a warning for it but it never came. It is not a legal punch and he looked like a damn sissy.
It looked damn stupid and weird imo:huh
Sultan wasn't even throwing when wlad again and again slapped timors arm downwards:patsch
boxeo#1
02-26-2008, 04:46 AM
He's not punching Asterion. It was 100% legal.
It might be 100% legal, but I almost BET the judges talked about that strange move in their evaluation.
See Me Flow
02-26-2008, 04:53 AM
:fight
You are a clueless racist twit. Byrd never did anything like Wlad did against Sultan.
YOU NEO-NAZI SKIN HEAD!:lol: PUMMLER I KNEW YOU WERE! ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE CALLED BOY.
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