Which chin better: Vitalys or Lewis'?

[Stinky gloves]

Who have the glass and who the iron?

[vonBanditos]

Why?

[Stinky gloves]

Why?

Just for curiosity and chin legacy.

[2smart4u]

:smoke VITALY ! LL would never stand up to his own uppercut !:yep well in reality LLs chin is very underrated and I think its closer then people might think !

[Boyd]

i'm a big lewis fan but he did get KO'd twice. once he really got starched. can't say though how Vitali would have stood up to those bombs but i have to give Klits the edge. even though i feel Lewis was in with the much bigger punchers if you compare the careers.

[tragicliston]

I've never thought that Lewis' chin was as bad as it made out to be, but clearly Vitali's is better. No more proof is needed than their fight. Klitschko took some HUGE shots in that fight and never went down.

[Bazooka]

I dont think Lewis has a glass chin in both times he was knocked out those shots would have dropped any heavyweight, you can say Vitali has the better chin fine, I wont argue, but Lewis has more heart and that makes more of a difference when it comes down to it.

[brooklyn1550]

Vitali

[joeboxer]

I dont think Lewis has a glass chin in both times he was knocked out those shots would have dropped any heavyweight, you can say Vitali has the better chin fine, I wont argue, but Lewis has more heart and that makes more of a difference when it comes down to it.I agree. being knocked out doesn't mean you have a bad chin, if its from huge punches.

[ThePlugInBabies]

no doubt it's vitali, but lewis chin is nowhere near as bad as some fools would like you to think.

that bomb of an uppercut that vitali took in the 6th v lewis was scary, and vitali done amazingly well not to go down, can you imagine if his brother was on the end of it? fuck wlad would still be down now.

[2smart4u]

I dont think Lewis has a glass chin in both times he was knocked out those shots would have dropped any heavyweight, you can say Vitali has the better chin fine, I wont argue, but Lewis has more heart and that makes more of a difference when it comes down to it.:huh Why the remark about heart ?

[Bazooka]

:huh Why the remark about heart ?

The same reason people want to compair chins they want to make Vitali look better in every way let me say this clear, Lennox Lewis never quit a fight NEVER! Vitali quit a fight in which he was ahead on and you think this guy is a true champion? :-(

[Stinky gloves]

The same reason people want to compair chins they want to make Vitali look better in every way let me say this clear, Lennox Lewis never quit a fight NEVER! Vitali quit a fight in which he was ahead on and you think this guy is a true champion? :-(
You just making excuses for Lewis ... Vitaly is more handsome so what?

[ThePlugInBabies]

You just making excuses for Lewis ... Vitaly is more handsome so what?

yeah but lennox has better dreads.

[Stinky gloves]

yeah but lennox has better dreads.

Dreads are covering his chin for sure.

[Smazz20]

no doubt it's vitali, but lewis chin is nowhere near as bad as some fools would like you to think.

that bomb of an uppercut that vitali took in the 6th v lewis was scary, and vitali done amazingly well not to go down, can you imagine if his brother was on the end of it? fuck wlad would still be down now.

Just the way you worded this, I nearly pissed myself.:lol:

[Relentless]

vitlay never got hit by holyfield, tyson, ruddock, mercer, bruno, morrison tua, golota, briggs so its hard to tell.

[Stinky gloves]

vitlay never got hit by holyfield, tyson, ruddock, mercer, bruno, morrison tua, golota, briggs so its hard to tell.

OK Golota almost hit Lewis once, you won.

[Bazooka]

You just making excuses for Lewis ... Vitaly is more handsome so what?

So what? That makes you a Man lover thats what:good and besides how can I make excuses for Lennox he has accomplished so much more in his career than both Klitschkos combined.

[El Bombasto]

Vitaly has never hit the deck, Lennox has. But, who was the greater boxer? the answer is Lennox

[Stinky gloves]

Vitaly has never hit the deck, Lennox has. But, who was the greater boxer? the answer is Lennox
That is questionable either, Lewis won on cuts lossing on points,
so its hard to say if Lewis was greater boxer.
He for sure fought better oposition and was more accomplished.

[Asterion]

Klitschko

[El Bombasto]

That is questionable either, Lewis won on cuts lossing on points,
so its hard to say if Lewis was greater boxer.
He for sure fought better oposition and was more accomplished.

That's what I was referring to, even if Vialy had won that fight, Lennox would still have ranked higher (career wise) IMO.

[2smart4u]

The same reason people want to compair chins they want to make Vitali look better in every way let me say this clear, Lennox Lewis never quit a fight NEVER! Vitali quit a fight in which he was ahead on and you think this guy is a true champion? :-(:lol: You do realize there are many more threads started that are for the sole purpose of making the KLITS look bad dont you !:yep

[Boro chris]

That's total horseshit, They wouldnt have dropped anyone with an iron chin, and they wouldnt have kept anyone with a solid chin down. lennox's jaw was pure glass.

If ever I'm not sure what my response to a question on ESB should be, I just wait for you to post and draw the opposite conclusion.:good

[Bazooka]

That is questionable either, Lewis won on cuts lossing on points,
so its hard to say if Lewis was greater boxer.
He for sure fought better oposition and was more accomplished.

Lewis the OLDER Man semi retired older man won the fight on cuts, a prime Lennox Lewis knocks out Vitali Klitschko.
again Vitali had every opportunity to turn the fight around it went five more rounds since the cut and becuase Vitali didnt have what it takes to turn the fight around and win this is at the fault of Lennox? you all need to wake the fuck up, Lewis owned Vitali past his prime.

[Bazooka]

That's total horseshit, They wouldnt have dropped anyone with an iron chin, and they wouldnt have kept anyone with a solid chin down. lennox's jaw was pure glass.

Provide some proof that they wouldnt have dropped anybody, both of those right hands were perfectly placed shots and they were bombs, you cant just say they wouldnt have dropped anybody cus you dont fucking know.
Truth is you want to know how good his chin is, Vitali couldnt drop him and he fought a older lewis than Rahman did, and he went a round further with Lennox than Rahman did, so I say Vitalis lack of Power might be the issue here then since your so sure Lennox has a glass chin.

[Chiko_Tech]

Vitaly

[Stinky gloves]

Lewis the OLDER Man semi retired older man won the fight on cuts, a prime Lennox Lewis knocks out Vitali Klitschko.
again Vitali had every opportunity to turn the fight around it went five more rounds since the cut and becuase Vitali didnt have what it takes to turn the fight around and win this is at the fault of Lennox? you all need to wake the fuck up, Lewis owned Vitali past his prime.

Lennox barely won on cuts with green Vitaly being outboxed the whole fight.
How does that sound?

[Bazooka]

Lennox barely won on cuts with green Vitaly being outboxed the whole fight.
How does that sound?

Vitali wasnt green he was a former WBO champion at that point. the fight was close I thought the cards were correct, the stoppage should have happend right when they noticed the cut honestly had that happend you all wouldnt be allowed to use the score card arguement.

[Stinky gloves]

Vitali wasnt green he was a former WBO champion at that point. the fight was close I thought the cards were correct, the stoppage should have happend right when they noticed the cut honestly had that happend you all wouldnt be allowed to use the score card arguement.

since "former WBO champion" isn't green then maybe also
"current undisputed/lineal" champion isn't also way past his prime?

[barneyrub]

Lewis was very very chinnyIf that was correct then he wouldnt be standing in these video clips, time for some education!

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[barneyrub]

Neither has the glass but Vitali has the iron for sure...

The edge goes to Klitschko.Its impossible to know what vitali has. Who has ever hit him other than Lewis and Sanders.
Even the big uppercut Lewis landed, it may have ko`d him if it had caught his chin or certainly if it landed on the underneath of the chin. It actually landed on the upperlip which is what ripped them open as it slid ove rthe skin. If it had caught under the chin it would be interesting. It caused vitaliu to hold on for the majority of thtime remaininhg in that rd and by the end he was holding on, staggering and not punching back.

[barneyrub]

That's total horseshit, They wouldnt have dropped anyone with an iron chin, and they wouldnt have kept anyone with a solid chin down. lennox's jaw was pure glass.Well only the Rahman one kept him down!

If the same ref fromn he mcall fight was reffing larry holmes vs. shavers and snipes then Holmes would have been stoppe dby that ref too, Holmes was actually in worse condition afte rgetting up at the same count of 6!!!!!!!!! Watch them.

Marco Antonio Barrerra would also have a bad chin under your logic, he got a 17 second count from being knocke ddown by junior jones before going straight back down and waved off after that bit of help by the ref. Ironically its usually Cortez that give slong counts, Holyfield got 18 seconds against Bowe, only getting to his feet at 9 and a half!!!! and again allowing Holyfield to hold onto Ruiz`s legs and waist after being tagged and down to fiddle his way through.

[T.S.]

Vitali's two claims to fame (so far) as a Heavyweight Champion
NEVER BEEN BEHIND ON SCORECARDS and
NEVER WENT DOWN.
Lewis down twice so I give it to Vitali but he might taste canvas in comeback we'll see.

[Stinky gloves]

If that was correct then he wouldnt be standing in these video clips, time for some education!

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There is no one shot landed on Lewis chin in that video, ....
however TUA is da man he handled all Lewis could throw!

[Relentless]

no vitlays claim to fame is losing against lewis

[Fighting Weight]

Also VITLAY was down in that first round against Sanders as a result of punches, and I still can't understand why the referee didn't rule it a knockdown. He was all over the fucking place, doing the 'helicopter in trouble' legs like WALDO always does when he gets tagged. That was a legitimate knockdown, which means VITLAY was 10-8 down on the cards after the first round against Sanders, thus debunking the 'never been down and never been behind on the cards' horseshit us rational people have to endure time and time again from the Klit-lovers on here.

[Relentless]

Vitali's chin is far superior to Lewis.

and how is that???

has vitlay been hit by......

tyson
holyfield
golota
ruddock
morrison
mercer
tua
briggs
tucker
bruno
grant
botha

or klitschko himself??//

[T.S.]

no vitlays claim to fame is losing against lewis

And Lewis's claim to shame is retiring rather than rematching. :nut
Can't say I blame him tho :good

[Relentless]

nope lewis' claim to fame was beating the best the division had to offer and beating everyman he ever stepped in the ring with, he is also remembered for handing vitlay his ass

[T.S.]

Also VITLAY was down in that first round against Sanders as a result of punches, and I still can't understand why the referee didn't rule it a knockdown. He was all over the fucking place, doing the 'helicopter in trouble' legs like WALDO always does when he gets tagged. That was a legitimate knockdown, which means VITLAY was 10-8 down on the cards after the first round against Sanders, thus debunking the 'never been down and never been behind on the cards' horseshit us rational people have to endure time and time again from the Klit-lovers on here.

Vitali broke Sanders nose had him rushed to the hospital after the fight to drain blood from inside his ear total shit beat out of him, ruined him.
You are in denial of facts Vitali was never down in that fight or his entire career these are just facts. He still may taste canvas during his comeback but so far he hasn't. You'd be hard pressed to convince ESPN or any other proffesional sports coverage otherwise. :lol:

[Relentless]

punches that could have knocked anyone out, and have you forgotten lewis came back to brutally rape both men??


oh shoot i just remembered isn't that rahman??? the guy vitlay retired to get away from?

[Relentless]

:lol:

Are you going to tell me those same punches would have KO'd iron chin fighters? I see how you are. You're trying to hype those shots up to take the negativity off of Lewis and sugarcoat the fact that he got KTFO by average fighters with only two punches thrown from two fighters.

Please. "Vitaly" would've beat Rahman like a dirty skank. :hi:

but instead he decided to run from him.


oh btw the emoticons aren't helping you hide your insecurities, i can see right through it.:hi:

[Relentless]

but lets not forget lewis already beat him, vitlay signed to fight rahman and then retired.

[Fighting Weight]

And Lewis's claim to shame is retiring rather than rematching. :nut
Can't say I blame him tho :good

Yes, because it's common practise for undisputed champions to give rematches to guys they've already owned, isn't it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fighting Weight]

but lets not forget lewis already beat him, vitlay signed to fight rahman and then retired.

I think he signed to fight Hasim more than once and pulled out more often than a Catholic suffering from premature ejaculation.

Rahman is the ANTI-KLIT, by the way.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Vitali obviously had a better chin, however I don't think that Lewis had a glass chin either.

[Relentless]

Vitali obviously had a better chin, however I don't think that Lewis had a glass chin either.

vitalys chin hasn't been tested the way lewis' has.

[BobDigi5060]

vitalys chin hasn't been tested the way lewis' has.

Exactly, can't really compare the two.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

vitalys chin hasn't been tested the way lewis' has.
I disagree. Lewis hit Vitali as hard if not harder than Lewis has ever been hit himself. Vitali's chin never failed him. Sanders caught Vitali with a flush shot that he never saw coming, while he was cold in the first round too, and Vitali stayed up. Those are two of the biggest power punchers in recent years and Vitali took those punches without going down.


I have never seen Lewis hit as hard as Vitali was by Lewis' uppercut. The punches that knocked him out were not that hard. As a matter of fact, the punch from McCall wasn't very hard at all. A very well timed punch, but not a monster punch by any means.

However, as I already stated, I don't believe that Lewis had a glass chin either. I think that with his size, he was vulnerable to getting hit with some devastating shots from up and under time to time, like all tall fighters. However, he has held up to some big shots, so saying his chin is glass would be ignorant of me.

[Fighting Weight]

vitalys chin hasn't been tested the way lewis' has.

As I said, he hit the deck from a Sanders onslaught, which suggests that his chin was better than WALDOS (seeing as he got up to win) and worse than Lewis's (seeing as Lewis fought the man that beat Sanders)

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

As I said, he hit the deck from a Sanders onslaught, which suggests that his chin was better than WALDOS (seeing as he got up to win) and worse than Lewis's (seeing as Lewis fought the man that beat Sanders)
He hit the deck? He was pushed in the back and tripped with Sander's leg... are you really going to lie, or have you only saw a couple pictures?:lol:

[Fighting Weight]

The punches that knocked him out were not that hard. As a matter of fact, the punch from McCall wasn't very hard at all. A very well timed punch, but not a monster punch by any means.


Thanks for that, you've just confirmed what everyone on this board already knows - you've never boxed in your life, and you talk shit on monumental levels.

[Relentless]

but his wrestled (homo alert)

[Fighting Weight]

He hit the deck? He was pushed in the back and tripped with Sander's leg... are you really going to lie, or have you only saw a couple pictures?:lol:


Pushed in the back??? Interesting, seeing as VITLAYS back was against the ropes when he went down :huh

Take a look at the legs of both fighters at the time of the knock down too - tripped? Fuck no, he went down because he was on rubber legs.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

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This was the push that put Vitali down... Look at Sanders right hand. Vitali was also tripping over Sanders' leg. It is clear for any honest person to see when watching the fight. Which is why it was never ruled a knockdown in the first place.

[Fighting Weight]

but his wrestled (homo alert)

He's wrestled??? Damn and I saw the pics of his trophies and thought he was a ten-pin bowler :huh :huh :huh

[thesandman]

I LOVE it (said like Kevin Keegan......)

HERE COME THE GRAINY STILLS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fighting Weight]

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This was the push that put Vitali down... Look at Sanders right hand. Vitali was also tripping over Sanders' leg. It is clear for any honest person to see when watching the fight. Which is why it was never ruled a knockdown in the first place.

You never studied physics, obvously :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So Sanders is going to get enough leverage from that position to push a 6 foot 8 inches, 250lb man down??

All I'll say is if he did push the man down then he was already on rubber legs, as I previously stated. I've watched the fight several time and there was NO TRIP. Look for yourself, their legs weren't tangled at all when VITLAY went down. It was a legitimate knock-down and the ref did VITLAY a favour.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Well, we can see who the rabid fans are. I am an obviously huge Klitschko fan who is willing to say that I don't think Lewis had a glass chin despite being destroyed twice with one punch. However, the Klitschko haters are trying to act like Vitali had a shaky chin because he was pushed/tripped by Sanders in their fight, which wasn't even a knockdown, let alone a knockout.

If you watched that fight, and don't see Sander's foot inside of Vitali's leg when he was pushed down, then you are either...

A. Blind.
B. A moron.

We all know that Vitali was shook when he first got caught by that punch, but he certainly wasn't knocked down.

Go ahead and watch this clip.

PAUSE THIS CLIP AT THE 8 SECOND MARK!!!
R-pSvyJR6s0

[Fighting Weight]

Well, we can see who the rabid fans are. I am an obviously huge Klitschko fan who is willing to say that I don't think Lewis had a glass chin despite being destroyed twice with one punch. However, the Klitschko haters are trying to act like Vitali had a shaky chin because he was pushed/tripped by Sanders in their fight, which wasn't even a knockdown, let alone a knockout.

If you watched that fight, and don't see Sander's foot inside of Vitali's leg when he was pushed down, then you are either...

A. Blind.
B. A moron.

We all know that Vitali was shook when he first got caught by that punch, but he certainly wasn't knocked down.

Go ahead and watch this clip.

PAUSE THIS CLIP AT THE 8 SECOND MARK!!!
R-pSvyJR6s0

Bullshit, I've seen it a million times - there was no leg tangle, no shove, just punches. VITLAY went down from a Sanders onslaught, simple as that. Keep spinning though, it's amusing. :deal

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You are pathetic.

[Brand]

Bullshit, I've seen it a million times - there was no leg tangle, no shove, just punches. VITLAY went down from a Sanders onslaught, simple as that. Keep spinning though, it's amusing. :deal
it was a push

[Fighting Weight]

You are pathetic.

Maybe so, but I obviously watch fights more objectively than you do. This shit about VITLAY never being down from punches is bullshit, Sanders (the anti-Klit) knocked VITLAY down legitimately and fairly, and the referee never spotted it.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Here you go Fighting Weight....

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Are you still going to pretend like you don't see Sander's right foot tripping Vitali's left... while he pushes him in the right side of his back with his right hand?

Go ahead and deny it still.... It is funny watching how far you will go to hold onto a lie.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

What's the matter? Trying to think of another lie to cover up your previous one?

[RUSKULL]

Vitali's chin is iron and better than Lennox's but that doesn't mean Lewis had a glass chin by any means.

[RUSKULL]

Thanks for that, you've just confirmed what everyone on this board already knows - you've never boxed in your life, and you talk shit on monumental levels.

The punch from Rahman was brutal & perfectly placed but the shot that McCall knocked Lewis down & out with was just well placed, not nec. a huge punch.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Push, and trip....

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[kg0208]

Lewis was the better fighter. But Vitaly has the better chin.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I love it how Fighting weight was running his mouth in this thread for hours... then all of the sudden I prove that he has been lying... and he disappears in seconds.

[thesandman]

The punch with 18 seconds to go in that round really hurt Vitlay, I can see that.

As did one not long after.

Was it a legit KD? Hard to say to be honest. I might have let Vitlay away with it, but there's no doubt the punches in the 10 seconds before it had something to do with it.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Did you just say that it is "hard to say" whether or not it was a legit knockdown?:lol:

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^^^^^^^^^^

Are you guys really that blinded by hate? Hell, Corrie Sanders doesn't even claim that he knocked Vitali down. In an interview after the fight he said that he could never get to Vitali anytime that he felt that Vitali might be in trouble, that Vitali was too good at getting in the right position and avoiding everything.

[Tencount85]

Vitali has the better chin. Lewis's isn't really glass as the punches that knocked him out were from not necessarily weak guys who threw from downtown. I've seen him fight some hard hitters like David Tua and get whacked a couple of times and he took it ok.

[thesandman]

Did you just say that it is "hard to say" whether or not it was a legit knockdown?:lol:


^^^^^^^^^^

Are you guys really that blinded by hate? Hell, Corrie Sanders doesn't even claim that he knocked Vitali down. In an interview after the fight he said that he could never get to Vitali anytime that he felt that Vitali might be in trouble, that Vitali was too good at getting in the right position and avoiding everything.

Yeah. Because watching something on a tiny you tube screen doesn't prove a lot. Hard to say means I haven't seen anything that convinces me one way or the other. I've seen worse ruled as KD's, and worse ruled as slips.

I'm sure the guy in the ring had a better view, and that's why he called it that. Posting tiny fucking pictures on a webpage isn't going to change my mind.

It would be easy to enough to say..

"look at the frame Widdow posted, Vitlay was already falling before his leg got tangled".

I don't hate Vitlay at all. for the record, his chin is better than Lewis's. Vitlay has a good chin, and was a good fighter. So what?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Yeah. Because watching something on a tiny you tube screen doesn't prove a lot. Hard to say means I haven't seen anything that convinces me one way or the other. I've seen worse ruled as KD's, and worse ruled as slips.

I'm sure the guy in the ring had a better view, and that's why he called it that. Posting tiny fucking pictures on a webpage isn't going to change my mind.

It would be easy to enough to say..

"look at the frame Widdow posted, Vitlay was already falling before his leg got tangled".

I don't hate Vitlay at all. for the record, his chin is better than Lewis's. Vitlay has a good chin, and was a good fighter. So what?
You have a complex don't you? Why are you going through all of this nonsense? It is very simple. Have you even seen the fight? If so, then watching the fight, and then if you are too slow to see what everyone in the world, including the ref saw... then you can slow it down, and watch it again to see that A PUNCH DIDN'T EVEN LAND DIRECTLY BEFORE HE WENT DOWN.... and that he was pushed, and tripped over Sanders' leg. I know that you Klitschko haters are slower than most people on this earth, which is why I not only slowed it down... but I took a picture of a frame where you can clearly see the push, and the trip... yet to the world's amazement you morons are still too damn stupid to see it.

[thesandman]

You have a complex don't you? Why are you going through all of this nonsense? It is very simple. Have you even seen the fight? If so, then watching the fight, and then if you are too slow to see what everyone in the world, including the ref saw... then you can slow it down, and watch it again to see that A PUNCH DIDN'T EVEN LAND DIRECTLY BEFORE HE WENT DOWN.... and that he was pushed, and tripped over Sanders' leg. I know that you Klitschko haters are slower than most people on this earth, which is why I not only slowed it down... but I took a picture of a frame where you can clearly see the push, and the trip... yet to the world's amazement you morons are still too damn stupid to see it.

Widdow, I'll say it plain and simple for you. I really don't give a fuck, OK?

I even sat there and watched it a few times again on your you tube link. And you know what? I saw Vitlay get hit hard about 10 seconds before.

I saw him back away furiously on shaky legs (not saying he was in serious trouble) - then a scuffle against the ropes with Vitlay going down.

If Sanders can push Vitlay like that, and send him to the canvas - then either Vitlays got shit balance, or was hurt, or was punched, or a combination of all of the above.


And you can fuck right off with your condescending tone. You have form Widdow. You tried posting numerous pictures that "PROVED" Vitlays eye was torn open by a Lewis head butt.

You're the one with the complex Widdow. If you actually read all of a post, rather then frothing at the mouth when somebody doesn't agree with your blurry prints of a webpage, then I might give a shit what you think.

[LennoxGOAT]

There is no question that Vitali's chin is better. However, one of the biggest boxing myths of all-time is Lennox having a weak chin. In fact, it is actually a great subject as it separates people who understand the fight game from the idiots. Mark it down....Lennox had a great chin. Not iron, not excellent, but great. He fought a ton of big punchers and only hit the canvas twice......less than Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, etc.....pretty much everyone but Vitali. And this is a fact and cannot be disputed.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali has the better chin.

[paulfv]

One of the dumbest threads I've ever seen, from ESB to IDontKnowBoxing.com.

Vitali is both a better fighter and has a superior chin to Lenny. Lenny won the 'cut lottery,' and got the second-easiest win of his career, behind McCall II.

The proper comparison is with Wlad. Unfortunately for Lenny and his fans, this comparison also favors the Klitshcko.

1. Lenny has been 1-punch KO'd twice; Wlad has never been 1-punch KO'd. Being susceptible to a one-punch KO is a good indication of a fragile chin.

2. Lenny has been counted out (ref standing over him while he's on the canvas), Wlad has never been counted out. Even in the butt-kicking he received from Sanders (which he was repeatedly put down), Wlad still finished on his feet and was TKO'd, not KO'd as Lewis was against Rahman. Wlad has ALWAYS gotten up from every single KD he has ever had, Lewis has not.

Two of Wlad's TKO's were due to exhaustion (Puritty, Brewster I). Only 1 was due to punches (Sanders), and he repeatedly got up from the hard-throwing lefty's hammering KD's. He finished the fight on his feet.

Both of Lewis' KO's were from punches. Both were 1-punch KO's. He was counted out once, and the other fight he was stopped by one punch IN THE SECOND ROUND. He got 'Zab Judah'd." Lewis has been rocked repeatedly by the likes of Briggs, Bruno, Mercer and others. His chin is as soft as a baby's ass. The reason he was able to become a viable contender/champion was because Manny Steward taught him how to clinch and properly use his height so that he could protect his china chin. And it worked. Now Manny is teaching Wlad - who has a slightly better chin than Len - the same things. If it worked for a lesser fighter than him, it should work for Wlad.

[Drexl]

Just for curiosity and chin legacy.

Firstly, what the hell is "chin legacy"?

Second, they didn't face the same punches from the same opponents so it is impossible to gauge.

Third, Why are you only counting "chin weakness" and not how fragile their body was generally? You don't have an agenda by any chance, do you? :think

:yep

[Stinky gloves]

Why are you only counting "chin weakness" and not how fragile their body was generally? You don't have an agenda by any chance, do you? :think

:yep

Great idea I will start new threat right away, thanks a lot!

[Drexl]

Great idea I will start new threat right away, thanks a lot!


No, it's a stupid idea because like "chin", "power" etc... there is no way to gauge and compare.

[Stimulant]

I dont think Lewis has a glass chin in both times he was knocked out those shots would have dropped any heavyweight, you can say Vitali has the better chin fine, I wont argue, but Lewis has more heart and that makes more of a difference when it comes down to it.

OH PLEASE

How come he has more heart? because he's black?

I'm sick of people saying the Klitschkos have no heart when it's obviously not true.

[Fighting Weight]

I even sat there and watched it a few times again on your you tube link. And you know what? I saw Vitlay get hit hard about 10 seconds before.

I saw him back away furiously on shaky legs (not saying he was in serious trouble) - then a scuffle against the ropes with Vitlay going down.

If Sanders can push Vitlay like that, and send him to the canvas - then either Vitlays got shit balance, or was hurt, or was punched, or a combination of all of the above.



Exactly. VITLAY got caught with a few shots, tried to do the Klitschko shuffle a la WALDO against Brewster, and ended up on the canvas as a result of punches.

The more I watch that youtube thing the more it looks like a knockdown. Nice posting of proof, Window :nut :nut :nut

[Relentless]

I love it how Fighting weight was running his mouth in this thread for hours... then all of the sudden I prove that he has been lying... and he disappears in seconds.

at the time you posted this it was almost 4am here in england, so much for scaring him away, i dont know about you but here in the UK we sleep.

[barneyrub]

OH PLEASE

How come he has more heart? because he's black?

I'm sick of people saying the Klitschkos have no heart when it's obviously not true.because he came in without good shape or training, he always went into big fights with a well prepared strategy, this fight they took late and just hoped to get the early ko, it was just put pressure on him push him, all the usual Steward rhetoric. He was hit alot and still didnt go down or quit he came back after the bad 2nd rd and won the 3rd, 5th and 6th and vitali was the one who couldnt defend himself or punch back by the end!

[barneyrub]

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This was the push that put Vitali down... Look at Sanders right hand. Vitali was also tripping over Sanders' leg. It is clear for any honest person to see when watching the fight. Which is why it was never ruled a knockdown in the first place.Come on, its not soccer, you dont go down because someone touches you, if vitali wasnt hurt and shitting himself he wouldnt have lost his legs.

[Relentless]

where's widdow maker now?? is he scared???, if he doesn't reply in the next 20 mins he is scared!

[Relentless]

22 minutes have passed and no reply from window, he must be scared!

[RUSKULL]

22 minutes have passed and no reply from window, he must be scared!

Did you ever think that maybe he has a job unlike yourself? :yep

[Fighting Weight]

at the time you posted this it was almost 4am here in england, so much for scaring him away, i dont know about you but here in the UK we sleep.

I was going to point that out but fuck it let him think he's 'owned' me, he doesn't have much success in life so that might cheer him up a bit :lol:

[Fighting Weight]

Did you ever think that maybe he has a job unlike yourself? :yep

Widdow in work? The thought never crossed my mind actually, for some bizarre reason.....

[KobeIsGod]

Vitali's chin - cast iron. the uppercut Lewis hit him with in the 6th would've killed 99% of the other hws. Sanders stunned him in the first with a sensational counter, but Vit wasn't hit the rest of the round. It was clearly a push. He then went on to turn Sanders' face into hamburger.

Lennox's chin - badly underrated. not iron, but very good towards the end of his career. Simply put, he became a tougher fighter as he matured. His training and attitude led to occasional breakdowns. He took a very-determined Ray Mercer's best shots. Klit had him pretty buzzed in the 2nd a couple of times but he survived and fought well.

[Relentless]

OH PLEASE

How come he has more heart? because he's black?

I'm sick of people saying the Klitschkos have no heart when it's obviously not true.

why does vitlay have a better chin? because he's white?

[barneyrub]

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How many shots has vitali ever taken? All those euro stiffs in germany he fought tell us nothing about Vitali.

[Stinky gloves]

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How many shots has vitali ever taken? All those euro stiffs in germany he fought tell us nothing about Vitali.

This video doesn't show any shot Lewis was taken, if yes then list the timeline.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Fighting Weight... are you ready to admit that you were lying?

[Stinky gloves]

Fighting Weight... are you ready to admit that you were lying?

He changed his mind, he is now Vitalys best fan

[CarltonBlues]

Vitali had a freak chin, that uppercut Lewis landed on him was huge.

[Stinky gloves]

Vitali had a freak chin, that uppercut Lewis landed on him was huge.

Myabe Lewis power wasn't too good for Vitalys chin?

[kirk]

lewis doesnt have a bad chin.... but i think vitalis is better. i think that some of the lefts that sanders landed on vitali, would have had a bit more effect if they had landed on lewis.

[kirk]

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How many shots has vitali ever taken? All those euro stiffs in germany he fought tell us nothing about Vitali. uh... watch the sanders fight, the same lefts that put down his brother, and put down rock, vitali takes flush. also... lewis is a big puncher, and although vitalis face failed him, his chin didnt.

[Loufatski]

When you get knocked out and you can't beat the count, that is a weak chin. I haven't seen this happen to Vitaly as of yet.

[Fighting Weight]

Fighting Weight... are you ready to admit that you were lying?

On the evidence of your grainy stills and usual line of spin???

Dream on, dumbo :deal VITLAY went down quicker than a cheap Thai whore from a few pitter pat Sanders punches, he's a bum just like his brother :yep

[youthmann]

Both have strong chins - no doubt about that. Vitali just have an even stronger chin than LL. That's the fact amigo..