I agree with tyson... (holyfield heabutting)

[kirk]

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im not trying to be a nuthugger (yes, he is one of my favs but i never say it) but i honestly agree with him. He went on and on about how he was headbutted in the first fight... i mean, you can SEE tyson trying to get some help from the ref in there...

i dont agree that tyson should have bit him, but i dont see it as this horrible horrible thing eather that everyone else does.

also, holyfield HIMSELF tried to bite someone before, but was wearing a double mouthpiece so he couldnt.

[randeris]

I agree - it is clear that he did butt him, still stupid move from Tyson.

[kirk]

and i dont think it was his way of quitting eather... he was being heabutted like crazy, and was a fit of fury
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[kirk]

I agree - it is clear that he did butt him, still stupid move from Tyson.

oh no doubt... stupid, uncalled for, wrong, everthing

but it was def provoked and i dont see how this is considered the most crazy thing that it is, and how he was trying to quit, wrong... but i can see where he was coming from.

[Tyson 2005]

I definitely agree, although Mike shouldn't have taken a chunk out of his ear and maybe changed his tactic and went for the body or something, I don't know what I would have done, but I would have been pissed too.

Man I hope we can see a Holyfield-Tyson III.....

[2ironmt]

and i dont think it was his way of quitting eather... he was being heabutted like crazy, and was a fit of fury
[Only registered and activated users can see links] I agree with you regarding the first bite (but still a pretty stupid move), but how can we as fans explain the second bite when he knew the ref and everyone was looking for it? he had to know the fight would likely be stopped. Although i think tyson could have well beaten holy that night, i've gotta think tyson didn't want to go at that point.

Side note: everyone gives holy tons of credit for beating tyson and many say holy beats any tyson. although i give big props to holy, you know holy was on every performance enhancing thing he could get his hands on at that point. how else is there to explain his phenomenal resilience, stamina, snap on his punches, and recovery (and lack of hair) in the tyson fights.

[bigjake]

tyson won't beat holyfield in a fight 3 either,evander has got his number.besides hes stayed active as well

[inchpunch]

At the time of the first fight I was cheering for Holyfield, but now in hindsight and after rewatching the fight several times my conclusion is this:

Tyson was winning the fights until round six. The fifth round was clearly his best and Holyfield was stunned a few times. Nothing indicated early in the sixth that things would change. Holyfield did better than expected in the fight, since many belived he would just be blown out of the ring in two rounds, but he was not winning. Then he headbutted Tyson hard, causing the cut and then followed up with a hard low blow that made Tyson cringe and only AFTER these two fouls did he turn the fight around.

Could Holyfield have won without the fouls? Maybe. But it seems more likely that the fouls had a significant effect on Tyson, physically and mentally as well.

[bigjake]

At the time of the first fight I was cheering for Holyfield, but now in hindsight and after rewatching the fight several times my conclusion is this:

Tyson was winning the fights until round six. The fifth round was clearly his best and Holyfield was stunned a few times. Nothing indicated early in the sixth that things would change. Holyfield did better than expected in the fight, since many belived he would just be blown out of the ring in two rounds, but he was not winning. Then he headbutted Tyson hard, causing the cut and then followed up with a hard low blow that made Tyson cringe and only AFTER these two fouls did he turn the fight around.

Could Holyfield have won without the fouls? Maybe. But it seems more likely that the fouls had a significant effect on Tyson, physically and mentally as well.

a third fight between them would be far more entertaining then what we had to look at last saturday

[Russell]

Tyson has always has a fragile mental psyche. Even when he was a teenage amateur he walked out of the ring in a rage because "His opponent wouldn't fight him".

This is no secret.

Holyfield is a dirty, rotten bastard of a fighter who's headbutted a guy at the same time he's low blowed him.

That's an even smaller secret.

[Ikketurner]

Holyfield "purposely" headbutting Tyson is BS. How come Holyfield was never warned for "intentional" headbutts? How come no points were taken? Because they were unintentional.... that's why. Holyfield owns Tyson.... And Tyson was hitting after the bell first (which is a foul in itself)

Tyson wasn't used to someone standing their ground when Tyson would charge in with the left hooks. Holyfield would duck or dip his head (tuck his chin) when Tyson would throw a left hook. This was a strategic move used by Holyfield to null Tyson's left hook. After the first fight Tyson admitted that the clash of heads was caused by both of them, he himself admitting that the clash of head were accidental.

In the second fight, Holyfield was whooping Tyson and roughing him up. Again I didn't see any intentional head butts on Holyfield's part. I seen him dip his head and tuck his chin. Tyson was winning round 3 so I don't know why he flipped out. He landed some of his best punches of both their fights but Holyfield was still there and that probably discouraged Tyson. But I didn't see any intentional headbutting on Holyfield's part.

Not saying Kirk is using this as an excuse for Mike losing but most of Mike's fans blame headbutts for the reason Mike lost. Holyfield was/is just a better boxer/fighter and was ready for Mike. He wasn't intimidated or scared.... he stood his ground and fired shots back. Mike wasn't used to someone standing there and fighting back.

[inchpunch]

a third fight between them would be far more entertaining then what we had to look at last saturday

If you find it entertaining to see guys getting serious brain damage, yes.

[Wilhelm]

Meh. He could have done what other fighters do and started butting himself, or started hitting low. There are all kinds of ways to get away thing things, and it's not as much about the ref catching you as it is about the other guy giving back what he gets. Holyfield was a better fighter and a better boxer, and I think Tyson just got frustrated.

[kirk]

interesting... thank you for the opinions guys ;)

[DamonD]

He still shouldn't have reacted the way he did.

In one of the few sports where you're allowed to express your anger by beating someone in the face (can't exactly do the same when you're annoyed in a game of snooker or football for example), Tyson failed to channel his anger that way and lost it.

I'm not exonerating Holyfield, but Tyson did go too far when he instead had the opportunity to get revenge with his fists instead.

[bigjake]

If you find it entertaining to see guys getting serious brain damage, yes.

nobody is making them inter the ring and they all have to take a battery of tests.if they fight i'll watch yes

[ChampionsForever]

He should have nutted him back, stupid move by Tyson knowing that it was the biggest fight of he's life.

[Dorfmeister]

Holyfield bit someone in the shoulder, even Michael Bent did it against Herbie Hide. And if you look well into it, Mike went right into Evander's head in the seventh and complained afterwards. Holyfield just did what was advisable and that was not to give Tyson punching room ( based on the Buster Matthis fight), that is not the same as to headbutt someone systematically. I have heard just too many complaints about Holyfield headbutting, Hopkins headbutting, Chavez headbutting, etc, et cetera... Tyson used to rock opponents with elbows in close, who's he to complain about anything?

[Punisher33]

I am a huge Tyson, and I also like Holyfield. Here's my take on the whole thing, the first fight was competitive until the middle rounds where Holyfield started to take over, for those who say Tyson should of butted him back, he did, and if you remember he ended up hurting himself more in the process, to where his own legs buckled from the impact. Tyson had no answers for Holyfield, no matter what he did it didnt work for him that night.

The second fight started like the first, with both men landing good shots, until Holyfield started using his head again, Tyson remembered what happend the last time, and said fuck it pretty much. I really think Tyson did the right thing in a sense, he refused to be the bully that night, and got his revenge on Holyfield in the worst way that night, after Tyson bit him Holyfield didnt want anymore of Tyson, instead of fighting back, he turned his back and jumped up and down, if this was a street fight, Tyson won IMO.

[Dorfmeister]

The second fight started like the first, with both men landing good shots, until Holyfield started using his head again, Tyson remembered what happend the last time, and said fuck it pretty much. I really think Tyson did the right thing in a sense, he refused to be the bully that night, and got his revenge on Holyfield in the worst way that night, after Tyson bit him Holyfield didnt want anymore of Tyson, instead of fighting back, he turned his back and jumped up and down, if this was a street fight, Tyson won IMO.

I believe Tyson bit him on purpose and expecting the referee not to disqualify him. The whole idea was to get Holy distracted and walking into the shot recklessly and the proof was that he bit him a second time and said C'mon to Vander - he clearly tried to break Holyfield's focus... Holy tried to get in between Tyson's arms but remember that the cut was due to a left hook with open glove and on the break, not to a head butt. Tyson just ran out of ideas and couldn't stand against the pressure of losing again by the same way - he knew he couldn't fight twelve rounds at that pace...

[Punisher33]

I believe Tyson bit him on purpose and expecting the referee not to disqualify him. The whole idea was to get Holy distracted and walking into the shot recklessly and the proof was that he bit him a second time and said C'mon to Vander - he clearly tried to break Holyfield's focus... Holy tried to get in between Tyson's arms but remember that the cut was due to a left hook with open glove and on the break, not to a head butt. Tyson just ran out of ideas and couldn't stand against the pressure of losing again by the same way - he knew he couldn't fight twelve rounds at that pace... I see your point, but didnt Tyson come at an even lesser weight for the second fight? I'm not saying that always means a fighters in better shape, I just think it was more of a fear of Tyson's to be bullied again, like in the first fight, he decided he can butt with Holyfield, considering the first fight, the butt he landed on Holyfield left him in worse shape. I feel the bite was a result of a few things, frustration, anger, and the fear of someone getting the best of him again, the combination of all this resulted in Tyson's breakdown of sorts.

[TIGEREDGE]

Holyfield "purposely" headbutting Tyson is BS. How come Holyfield was never warned for "intentional" headbutts? How come no points were taken? Because they were unintentional.... that's why. Holyfield owns Tyson.... And Tyson was hitting after the bell first (which is a foul in itself)

Tyson wasn't used to someone standing their ground when Tyson would charge in with the left hooks. Holyfield would duck or dip his head (tuck his chin) when Tyson would throw a left hook. This was a strategic move used by Holyfield to null Tyson's left hook. After the first fight Tyson admitted that the clash of heads was caused by both of them, he himself admitting that the clash of head were accidental.

In the second fight, Holyfield was whooping Tyson and roughing him up. Again I didn't see any intentional head butts on Holyfield's part. I seen him dip his head and tuck his chin. Tyson was winning round 3 so I don't know why he flipped out. He landed some of his best punches of both their fights but Holyfield was still there and that probably discouraged Tyson. But I didn't see any intentional headbutting on Holyfield's part.

Not saying Kirk is using this as an excuse for Mike losing but most of Mike's fans blame headbutts for the reason Mike lost. Holyfield was/is just a better boxer/fighter and was ready for Mike. He wasn't intimidated or scared.... he stood his ground and fired shots back. Mike wasn't used to someone standing there and fighting back.

I agree that holyfield had a 1997 version of mike tyson number. But i don't agree with you on the fouling. holyfield was a master of headbutting and getting away with it. there are guys who are masters at fouling in boxing like in other sports.

[Ikketurner]

Tyson knew he couldn't win a fair fight so he went to his dirty tactics. Does anyone remember him bending Holyfield's arm? The cut was caused by Evander's glove not his head. Look at the replays... and didn't the fight get post poned becasuse Tyson was supposedly cut during training (sparring) for this fight? Holyfield re-opened the cut with a punch.

Tyson is a sore loser and couldn't take getting whooped by Holyfield twice.

[Ikketurner]

I agree that holyfield had a 1997 version of mike tyson number. But i don't agree with you on the fouling. holyfield was a master of headbutting and getting away with it. there are guys who are masters at fouling in boxing like in other sports.

I hear you but how many times has Holyfield had points taken away because of butts? I think he had a big head and he dips his head low (chin tuck) when fighters come in charging him. Clever strategic tactic in my opinion. I've never seen him purposely butt his opponent. Maybe he is slick with it but I don't see it.

Tyson was known for fouling... hitting after the bell, arm bending, biting, ect...

[brown_bomber]

jamie foxx is gonna be tyson in the new movie about him :D i wonder if they show da bite fight in the movie :D

[Dorfmeister]

I see your point, but didnt Tyson come at an even lesser weight for the second fight? I'm not saying that always means a fighters in better shape, I just think it was more of a fear of Tyson's to be bullied again, like in the first fight, he decided he can butt with Holyfield, considering the first fight, the butt he landed on Holyfield left him in worse shape. I feel the bite was a result of a few things, frustration, anger, and the fear of someone getting the best of him again, the combination of all this resulted in Tyson's breakdown of sorts.

I can easily remember that move in the third round, Tyson came out for all or nothing ( and Richie and him "forgot" to put his mouthpiece in at the start of the round) - Holyfield would always sustain the first blow and strike back at full steam, challenging Mike physically and pushing him back effectively, until Tyson slipped sideways with a wide left hook and found himself tangled with Evander and in the right position to bite. Just before that, Tyson tried to break Holyfield's arm by clinching Vander's left with his right arm and tryin to twist it with his left arm as Holy hit him hard on the break to prevent that situation to occur and they were separated and called by Mills. Listen, Tyson is evil and you don't want to get into his mind processes. I can speak cause my conscience is like a sheet of white paper, clean unlike Mike's... Mills was just the rightful hand of justice at the right time ( ironic he is a judge in court) but Mike will have further moments of justice when he burns in Hell!

[Ikketurner]

Tyson broke down mentally because Holyfield was getting the better of him period. That's why he started fouling... That arm bend was a bad foul within itself... let alone biting a chunk of Holyfield's ear off.

[boxingabc123]

In the first fight was Mike was winning until the 6th round. He rocked Holyfield in the 5th and was having a good 6th until the headbutt. After that he got cut and knocked down. In the second fight most people will agree he got butted again, and he even looked at Mills Lane during the second round right after the cut opened and complained. Mike should've fought back, but he let his emotions get the better of him and he bit him. He should've chaneled his anger, instead of letting it get the better of him.

[Punisher33]

I can easily remember that move in the third round, Tyson came out for all or nothing ( and Richie and him "forgot" to put his mouthpiece on at the start of the round) - Holyfield would always sustain the first blow and strike back at full steam, challenging Mike physically and pushing him back effectively, until Tyson slipped sideways with a wide left hook and found himself tangled with Evander and in the right position to bite. Just before that, Tyson tried to break Holyfield's arm by clinching Vander's left with his right arm and tryin to twist it with his left arm as Holy hit him hard on the break to prevent that situation to occur and they were separated and called by Mills. Listen, Tyson is evil and you don't want to get into his mind processes. I can speak cause my conscience is like a sheet of white paper, clean unlike Mike's... Mills was just the rightful hand of justice at the right time but Mike will have further moments of justice when he burn in Hell!:rofl :lol: I hear you on that, Tyson isn't the guy you want to fuck with in the ring or outside of it, his minds in left field it seems. I could feel his pain in a sense, I remember being butted in a match 5 or 6 years ago, the ref was doing nothing, and I started get this strange feeling inside me, it felt like my balls being pushed up into my stomach, I didnt know what to do, it was the worst feeling in the world, because I wasnt knocked out, but I felt dazed and had a hard time devising a plan to beat my oppenent. Thank god, there wasnt much time left in the round, but I was able to recover, and thank god I was able to get through the fight through the fight and win a close decision.

I'm not saying Tyson was right by any means, for what he did, but I do understood part of the reason for doing it. I'm not sure if boxing a little amateur,but getting butted feels alot different than a hard punch, it really is a effective method of taking a fighter out of his game plan, and really making him feel confused in the ring.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

Tyson was on his way to getting KO'D so he was looking for a way to Punk out, he's always been a dirty fighter, hell he bit Mcbride too...
The most important fight and he Fucks it up because he couldn't handle losing to the better man..:-(

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

Tyson knew he couldn't win a fair fight so he went to his dirty tactics. Does anyone remember him bending Holyfield's arm? The cut was caused by Evander's glove not his head. Look at the replays... and didn't the fight get post poned becasuse Tyson was supposedly cut during training (sparring) for this fight? Holyfield re-opened the cut with a punch.

Tyson is a sore loser and couldn't take getting whooped by Holyfield twice.
:good Best post ive seen on here in a while..

[Dorfmeister]

I'm not saying Tyson was right by any means, for what he did, but I do understood part of the reason for doing it. I'm not sure if boxing a little amateur,but getting butted feels alot different than a hard punch, it really is a effective method of taking a fighter out of his game plan, and really making him feel confused in the ring.

Muhammad Ali was very effective with his mouth too ( and don't get second thoughts about this) - Ken Norton and Smoking Joe were so pissed about it that have broken his jaw... I personally get confused ( meaning dazed) with Spinks movement and would possibly get pretty sick to carry Wlad's weight on my back like in a piggy ride for full 36 minutes.

[Punisher33]

Muhammad Ali was very effective with his mouth too ( and don't get second thoughts about this) - Ken Norton and Smoking Joe were so pissed about it that have broken his jaw... I personally get confused ( meaning dazed) with Spinks movement and would possibly get pretty sick to carry Wlad's weight on my back like in a piggy ride for full 36 minutes.:lol: Same here, every fighter has a good rough house tactic in there arsenal, a great fight should overcome them, wether it's Lewis laying on your back or Ali holding the back of your head as your punching, you must find a way to get past or you will end up lossing.

[andyZOR]

rofl thats funny.

Mills Lane goes to Tyson's corner and hes like, "He bit him in the ear"

Then Tyson said something and Mills is like "Bullshit. That costs him 2 points."

:lol:

[Ikketurner]

Tyson said it was a punch... and then Mills land responded with the quote you quoted.

[Rock0052]

My only regret is that Tyson didn't eat his entire face, or at least a more significant portion of it. If you're going to bite someone, don't bullshit about and just get part of an ear. That's half assed work, and Tyson's better than that.

[divac]

Evander Holyfield bullied the bully, and some of you guys around here just cant accept that!

Three things, toughness, heart, and skill, and Evander Holyfield is above Mike Tyson in each of the categories, thats just the bottom line!

[angelos]

Well, Holyfield is one of the Most dirtiest fighter ever.

[tryggve]

Both Holyfield and Tyson was dirty as hell and got away with it most the time.

[Dorfmeister]

Well, Holyfield is one of the Most dirtiest fighter ever.

I can mention plenty of names just in Holyfield's record who are far dirtier - Dwight Braxton, Rick Parkey, Adilson Rodrigues, Seamus McDonagh, Riddick Bowe, Ray Mercer, Vinny Maddalone... Most dirt(iest) fighter ever - what a joke! With guys like David Diaz, JLC, Ricky Hatton, Zab Judah, Joshua Clottey, Miguel Cotto, Ricardo Mayorga, Antwon Echols, Bernard Hopkins and Andrew Golota still around... Tyson fan.

[2ironmt]

Evander Holyfield bullied the bully, and some of you guys around here just cant accept that!

Three things, toughness, heart, and skill, and Evander Holyfield is above Mike Tyson in each of the categories, thats just the bottom line! and every performance enhancing drug possible is also what evander's always superior to mike in. PfP tyson ko holyfield.

[Beebs]

I agree - it is clear that he did butt him, still stupid move from Tyson.

What about the second bite?

[teke]

Holy headbutted Tyson and a million others, Tyson should have just cracked him back with his head instead of biting :lol:

[PATSYS]

I remember watching the incident that caused the big cut on Tyson and I concluded that Tyson is more to blame than Holyfield. I think it seems (if my memory serves me right) Tyson charged in without any intention to throw a punch, which made me even suspicious that maybe he really wanted to quit.

At any rate, he already bit Holyfield's right ear and was still allowed to continue. He was clearly told by Mills Lane that one more and he is DQd. And he did it again! If that is not a clear indication that he intentionally wanted out of the fight, I don't know what is.

[Ikketurner]

How is Holyfield one of the most dirtiest fighters ever? Has he ever been disqualified from a bout? Has Holyfield had any points taken away for intentionally fouling? When you talk about dirty fighters you have to talk about fighters who have been disqualified for fouling repeatedly. When I think about dirty fighters.... Andrew Golata comes to mind and he has to be the dirtiest of them all (now that's a boxer who intentionally head butts his opponents and he throws combinations to the testicles)... and 2nd I'd say Mike Tyson (for arm bending and biting human flesh).

[josak]

thats one of the most unintentionally funny interviews ever.

[MacManJr.]

I agree with Tyson as well. He should've gave him 1 of those patented uppercuts right in the nuts instead of biting him though.

[klion22]

I also think that Holyfield tried to butt Tyson in both fights. Holyfield constantly came up and rubbed his head against Tyson time and time again. I know that's how he fights but a lot of it seemed intentional. When a guy is being that blatantly obvious, it would piss me off too.

[PATSYS]

I also think that Holyfield tried to butt Tyson in both fights. Holyfield constantly came up and rubbed his head against Tyson time and time again. I know that's how he fights but a lot of it seemed intentional. When a guy is being that blatantly obvious, it would piss me off too.

Of course it would piss anybody off, but then you show you rage by knocking your opponent the fuck out, not by biting his ear then after being warned that you will get DQd, doing it again.

[divac]

I also think that Holyfield tried to butt Tyson in both fights. Holyfield constantly came up and rubbed his head against Tyson time and time again. I know that's how he fights but a lot of it seemed intentional. When a guy is being that blatantly obvious, it would piss me off too.Funny how it only pisses an opponent off when they're getting the crap beat out of them!:deal

[PowerPuncher]

Tyson should have 'fouled within the rules' by headbutting back and going low on the inside and hitting hips inside

[pasky2000]

Holyfield "purposely" headbutting Tyson is BS. How come Holyfield was never warned for "intentional" headbutts? How come no points were taken? Because they were unintentional.... that's why. Holyfield owns Tyson.... And Tyson was hitting after the bell first (which is a foul in itself)

Tyson wasn't used to someone standing their ground when Tyson would charge in with the left hooks. Holyfield would duck or dip his head (tuck his chin) when Tyson would throw a left hook. This was a strategic move used by Holyfield to null Tyson's left hook. After the first fight Tyson admitted that the clash of heads was caused by both of them, he himself admitting that the clash of head were accidental.

In the second fight, Holyfield was whooping Tyson and roughing him up. Again I didn't see any intentional head butts on Holyfield's part. I seen him dip his head and tuck his chin. Tyson was winning round 3 so I don't know why he flipped out. He landed some of his best punches of both their fights but Holyfield was still there and that probably discouraged Tyson. But I didn't see any intentional headbutting on Holyfield's part.

Not saying Kirk is using this as an excuse for Mike losing but most of Mike's fans blame headbutts for the reason Mike lost. Holyfield was/is just a better boxer/fighter and was ready for Mike. He wasn't intimidated or scared.... he stood his ground and fired shots back. Mike wasn't used to someone standing there and fighting back.


For the part where...how come was Holyfield never warned for headbutts ? The same applies with Hopkins...they get away with it because they do it fighting smart when they can get away with it looking unintentional !!

Mike had never been the same after the Spinks fight when he fired his co-manager and his trainer Kevin Rooney. Therefore he wasn't ready mentally for a guy like Holyfield afterwards.....just like Buster Douglas who stood his ground the same way !!

[LeeGenius]

Didnt the Rhaman fight prove unequivocally that Holyfield uses his head constantly, purposelly and forcefully as a weapon, even at times as his #1 weapon?



The guy is a proven roided up freak who butted constantly. Your an idiot if you fell for his "Im a Christian" nonsense. At least Tyson makes no bones about the fact that hes crazy. Holyfield has pulled the wool over everyones eyes for years.


Of course he butted Tyson in both fight. Of course he did it on purpose and of course some sort of points should have been taken.

and of course Tyson should not have bit him.

[bill poster]

Holyfield was bringing his head up constantly- look at him do it just before the second bite. Tyson knew the cut would get worse, that Mills lane was ineffective in doing his job