Antonio Margarito.....

[markbrooklyn]

Why are people making threads saying we should respect him and that he doesn't duck anyone? Did you forget he was FORCED to fight Paul Williams because Goosen and Williams were gonna go to court to get Margarito stripped of his title if he didnt fight Williams?? Margarito didn't want to fight Williams.. The only reason he's fighting him is because Cotto and his people want Margarito to have the title because the fight won't be worth as much.. I'm not really all that impressed with Paul Williams and I think he's still a little green and needs more work but I'm even less impressed with Margarito. While I think Margarito should easily beat Williams since he claims hes the most feared welterweight I'm going with Williams beating Margarito by Decision.

[Chiko_Tech]

I think Margo will tko Williams late, losing in the scorecards or wining by a close margin and losing the first 3 or 4 rounds.

[jonesjrp4p1]

williams is gonna win i think with rather ease and finally get rid of the overrated marg

[Bazooka]

He wasnt forced to do shit, he could have easily dumped that belt and fought Cotto, but rather than to do the FMJ route about this shit the man actually has a bit a pride he chose to defend this title so that the public will see he is not a hypocrite unlike Mayweather Jr.

whats funny is how all the Floyd fans were saying that he should drop the WBO title and get ranked so he can force a mandotory shot at Floyd, yet when this fight came up the idea of dropping it did come to the mind of Margarito but the same people who said he should drop it turned around and said he was ducking Williams.

Margarito was not forced to take this fight, you cant force someone to fight, he made the choice to take this fight, becuase he does respect this sport becuase he does respect the fans and because he has honor and pride the way a true champion should.

So you know what, you should respect this guy, simply becuase he isnt cherry picking fights simply because he is willing to take what you all call a risky fight rather than his Payday he has been looking for.
That there is something that has been missing from the sport and thank god for guys like Margarito.

[markbrooklyn]

He wasnt forced to do shit, he could have easily dumped that belt and fought Cotto, but rather than to do the FMJ route about this shit the man actually has a bit a pride he chose to defend this title so that the public will see he is not a hypocrite unlike Mayweather Jr.

whats funny is how all the Floyd fans were saying that he should drop the WBO title and get ranked so he can force a mandotory shot at Floyd, yet when this fight came up the idea of dropping it did come to the mind of Margarito but the same people who said he should drop it turned around and said he was ducking Williams.

Margarito was not forced to take this fight, you cant force someone to fight, he made the choice to take this fight, becuase he does respect this sport becuase he does respect the fans and because he has honor and pride the way a true champion should.

So you know what, you should respect this guy, simply becuase he isnt cherry picking fights simply because he is willing to take what you all call a risky fight rather than his Payday he has been looking for.
That there is something that has been missing from the sport and thank god for guys like Margarito.

Cotto wouldnt have fought him without the belt.. Margarito is a no name, That means he's nothing without the belt. That's the main reason Cotto is fighting him is for the belt.

[Bazooka]

Cotto wouldnt have fought him without the belt.. Margarito is a no name, That means he's nothing without the belt. That's the main reason Cotto is fighting him is for the belt.

Cotto would have fought him how do you know he wouldnt have? Both guys have the same promoter that fight was all but done until this mandotory came up, and Tony was considering dumping the WBO title to move forward with the Cotto fight, so where do you get your info from?
The WBO title means nothing anyways and Cotto has had the WBA title before they were talking about making this fight happen, or did you forget that?

[Bazooka]

Margarito is a no name,.

You might think that but the top elite at Welter weight seem to see something in Tony that you all dont every single one of them turned him down hell even Winky Wright turned him down, for someone to just be a bum or an easy nights of work these guys making these claims of having a easy nights work with him some how never find their way to the job.
Margarito has beat more notable fighters who were willing to fight him than this Williams kid thats for sure and he doesnt have a bad resume he just cant make Floyd, Shane, Winky, Oscar or any of the rest of the top welters and jr Middles fight him, they are scared shit less.

[jonesjrp4p1]

Floyd, Shane, Winky, Oscar or any of the rest of the top welters and jr Middles fight him, they are scared shit less.


haha:lol: :lol:

[Bazooka]

haha:lol: :lol:

Can you disprove that?

[markbrooklyn]

Cotto would have fought him how do you know he wouldnt have? Both guys have the same promoter that fight was all but done until this mandotory came up, and Tony was considering dumping the WBO title to move forward with the Cotto fight, so where do you get your info from?
The WBO title means nothing anyways and Cotto has had the WBA title before they were talking about making this fight happen, or did you forget that?

Uh huh sure he would have.. So why would he turn down ALOT more money and a way bigger fight to fight Williams? In order to keep his title right? If it was up to Margarito he would dump the WBO title in a minute to get a fight with Cotto that would pay him his biggest pay day ever.. But OBVIOUSLY it wasnt up to him.

[Bazooka]

Uh huh sure he would have.. So why would he turn down ALOT more money and a way bigger fight to fight Williams? In order to keep his title right? If it was up to Margarito he would dump the WBO title in a minute to get a fight with Cotto that would pay him his biggest pay day ever.. But OBVIOUSLY it wasnt up to him.

it was up to him and I will tell you why, because people started to say he was going to duck Williams and Margarito did not want to carry that kind of image with in himself, he doesnt want people to say the same things about him that they say about Mayweather so he decides to take the fight and prove he ducks nobody, unlike Mayweather

[markbrooklyn]

Cotto would have fought him how do you know he wouldnt have? Both guys have the same promoter that fight was all but done until this mandotory came up, and Tony was considering dumping the WBO title to move forward with the Cotto fight, so where do you get your info from?
The WBO title means nothing anyways and Cotto has had the WBA title before they were talking about making this fight happen, or did you forget that?

Uh huh sure he would have.. So why would he turn down ALOT more money and a way bigger fight to fight Williams? In order to keep his title right? If it was up to Margarito he would dump the WBO title in a minute to get a fight with Cotto that would pay him his biggest pay day ever.. But OBVIOUSLY it wasnt up to him.

[doublesuited]

Can you disprove that?You're making the initial claim, it's your burden to prove that Mayweather, Wright, Mosley, and De La Hoya are scared to fight Margarito.

[Bazooka]

Why did you double post?

[etong_08]

Can you disprove that?

:yep :yep

[Bazooka]

You're making the initial claim, it's your burden to prove that Mayweather, Wright, Mosley, and De La Hoya are scared to fight Margarito.

Not with Floyd the proof is clearly out there, De La Hoya said out right he dont want to fight Margarito, Mosley avoided the fight, Winky said he would fight him then changed his mind when he got a call from Margaritos people.
what else do you want the man to do? Floyd had a 8 Million dollar offer to fight the man and turned it down, this was after he made it clear that if it makes dollars it makes sense, ill fight anybody its easy work for me, well apparently not that easy.

[jonesjrp4p1]

Can you disprove that?

who has marg beat that compares to any of those names he wouldnt stand a chance against any of them and if you think he does their is something wrong with your head

[BigReg]

Uh huh sure he would have.. So why would he turn down ALOT more money and a way bigger fight to fight Williams? In order to keep his title right? If it was up to Margarito he would dump the WBO title in a minute to get a fight with Cotto that would pay him his biggest pay day ever.. But OBVIOUSLY it wasnt up to him.

Goosen claims Margarito is getting paid more money to fight Williams then he would have had he fought Cotto. Also, if he wins this fight, he'll get even more money to fight Cotto.

[markbrooklyn]

You might think that but the top elite at Welter weight seem to see something in Tony that you all dont every single one of them turned him down hell even Winky Wright turned him down, for someone to just be a bum or an easy nights of work these guys making these claims of having a easy nights work with him some how never find their way to the job.
Margarito has beat more notable fighters who were willing to fight him than this Williams kid thats for sure and he doesnt have a bad resume he just cant make Floyd, Shane, Winky, Oscar or any of the rest of the top welters and jr Middles fight him, they are scared shit less.

Yeah Winky Wright fought Trinidad, Jermain Taylor, and is going to fight Bernard Hopkins but he's scared of Margarito???.. And Shane Mosley fought Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Delahoya (2 times), and Fernando Vargas ( who is natrually way bigger) but hes scared of Margarito too right? Oh and Delahoya fought Trinidad, Hopkins, Vargas, and Mayweather but hes also scared of Margarito.. Yeah you're right they're all scared of Margarito :rofl

[MancMexican]

Yeah Winky Wright fought Trinidad, Jermain Taylor, and is going to fight Bernard Hopkins but he's scared of Margarito???.. And Shane Mosley fought Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Delahoya (2 times), and Fernando Vargas ( who is natrually way bigger) but hes scared of Margarito too right? Oh and Delahoya fought Trinidad, Hopkins, Vargas, and Mayweather but hes also scared of Margarito.. Yeah you're right they're all scared of Margarito :rofl


nicely put

[Bazooka]

who has marg beat that compares to any of those names he wouldnt stand a chance against any of them and if you think he does their is something wrong with your head

Boxing doesnt work that way, who did Rahman beat before he beat Lewis? who did Buster Douglas beat to make you think he would stand a chance against Tyson, this is boxing son 1+1 doesnt always equal 2 here, the only way to find out who has a chance is if those guys are willing enough to take the risk to give this man a shot, so far they havent shown that yet, they are avoiding this man for a reason.
I will say this though even though Tony looked like shit against Clottey he still won it with two injuries his wrist and his ankle, Clottey has great hand speed probably close to Floyds, he also sits down on his shots more than Floyd does, Tony basicly walked him down, while Floyd barely got by an older Version of DLH by a single point, Floyd also went 12 with the slow plotting light hitting Baldimor.
Style wise Margarito is all wrong for Floyd the way Tony loops his shots yes amaturish if you ask me, but the way Floyd moves his head he lines himself up to get caught by those shots, Floyd slips traditional straight shots and the way he looks for the ropes to help that is not where you want to be with Tony you will get murdered there.
Floyd hasnt done enough since moving up to welter weight to make me think he can beat Tony.

[Relentless]

mark you got things mixed up, margarito was not taken to court, arum was because he wanted margarito to dump the title and fight cotto.

[Bazooka]

Yeah Winky Wright fought Trinidad, Jermain Taylor, and is going to fight Bernard Hopkins but he's scared of Margarito???.. And Shane Mosley fought Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright, Delahoya (2 times), and Fernando Vargas ( who is natrually way bigger) but hes scared of Margarito too right? Oh and Delahoya fought Trinidad, Hopkins, Vargas, and Mayweather but hes also scared of Margarito.. Yeah you're right they're all scared of Margarito :rofl

Then explain to me why all of them are avoiding the man? ist not about Money Floyd was offered a big pay day to take the fight but he chose Baldimor and Judah instead, Oscar out right didnt want him, Shane doesnt want that fight Winky changed his mind after saying he wanted it, so explain why they dont want to fight

[Bazooka]

Oh please do tell us when the last time Floyd faced a mandotory? Mark

[Bazooka]

same TAYLOR that looked like SH$T against SPinks ???OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH lol..

Same b HOP WHO LOST twice to Taylor...??

man just shut up.. Winky was offered 4 mil a career pay day agianst Marg and he turned it down..he didnt make that much against SHANE or Taylor..

IT ISNT ABOUT BEING SCARED YOU MORON, ITS ABOUT LOSING CRED TO A LESSER KNOWN fighter....which is what could have happen if he fought Marg, CHUMP

And their stock would tumble lossing to Margarito especially considering the way that some of the fans view him as.

[Bazooka]

I'm not really all that impressed with Paul Williams and I think he's still a little green and needs more work but I'm even less impressed with Margarito. While I think Margarito should easily beat Williams since he claims hes the most feared welterweight I'm going with Williams beating Margarito by Decision.

That is about the most craziest shit to even say, you think less of Williams but even less of Margarito adn you think Margarito will easily beat williams and you still pick Williams, I smell a hater, a closet Floyd queer

[Bazooka]

the money is more for the WILLIAMS FIGHT YOU MORON..

he gets 75% of the bid, cuz he IZ THE TITLE HOLDER..

man, you're dumb

I was about to give him some credit and say he was new, but he joined in 06 he should atleast know something by now.:good

[markbrooklyn]

man you're DUMB..

they were suppose to fight before the Clottey fight..Williams wanted more money that what he is getting.. he wanted a piece of that 8 mill that was offered Floyd..

so they decided to let it go to purse bids..

thats what happend. Marg couldve fought Cotto for a career high pay day, but it was contingent on IF Cotto beat Urkal, that was guarenteed. The 1.5 mil for Williams was/is..so he decided t take the WELL DESERVED pay day, keep his WBO title which had defended 7 times already ( tell me ahow many times Floyd defended a belt you, dont worry I'll wait)....and FACE his mando..

and guess what DOO DOO HEAD..Cotto is promoted by Arum, so if he beats Williams then he gets Cotto TOO!!

MAN YOU ARE ONE DUMB MOFO, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR LITTLE HATE THEORIES FROM...loser :deal

I'm dumb but you cant even spell or talk properly?? Everytime Floyd fights he's defending a belt.. He's the P4P best in the game right now and that's better then ANY belt out there :good

[markbrooklyn]

the money is more for the WILLIAMS FIGHT YOU MORON..

he gets 75% of the bid, cuz he IZ THE TITLE HOLDER..

man, you're dumb

YOu're the moron because that bid aint worth shit compared to how much money the Cotto fight would be for him.. he's only getting 1.5 million to fight Williams you dip shit..

[markbrooklyn]

That is about the most craziest shit to even say, you think less of Williams but even less of Margarito adn you think Margarito will easily beat williams and you still pick Williams, I smell a hater, a closet Floyd queer

I was being sarcastic you moron.. Go read what i wrote again then comment :good

[Relentless]

its not his fault he is irish.

[markbrooklyn]

Boxing doesnt work that way, who did Rahman beat before he beat Lewis? who did Buster Douglas beat to make you think he would stand a chance against Tyson, this is boxing son 1+1 doesnt always equal 2 here, the only way to find out who has a chance is if those guys are willing enough to take the risk to give this man a shot, so far they havent shown that yet, they are avoiding this man for a reason.
I will say this though even though Tony looked like shit against Clottey he still won it with two injuries his wrist and his ankle, Clottey has great hand speed probably close to Floyds, he also sits down on his shots more than Floyd does, Tony basicly walked him down, while Floyd barely got by an older Version of DLH by a single point, Floyd also went 12 with the slow plotting light hitting Baldimor.
Style wise Margarito is all wrong for Floyd the way Tony loops his shots yes amaturish if you ask me, but the way Floyd moves his head he lines himself up to get caught by those shots, Floyd slips traditional straight shots and the way he looks for the ropes to help that is not where you want to be with Tony you will get murdered there.
Floyd hasnt done enough since moving up to welter weight to make me think he can beat Tony.

LMAO@ CLotteys hand speed being close to Floyds.. You're dumb as hell just shut up. And everyone that seen the fight knows that Clottey was really injured then Margaritos people told margarito to tell them that he hurt himself too because he'll look like a bum not being able to beat a guy with a fucked up hand

[markbrooklyn]

Floyd beat Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir for a title. I'm sure you think those were the 2 best WW's in the division though don't you.

Margarito lost to Daniel Santos.. I'm sure he's the best and most feared fighter out ther eright

[markbrooklyn]

its not his fault he is irish.

your mother didnt mind :)

[BigReg]

he doesnt have to face mando with that BS title..

he just cherry picks...loser

This maybe true, but the last cherry he picked made him more than $20 million. I'm pretty sure Margarito would love to be in that position instead of fighting unproven fighters for $1.5 million

[markbrooklyn]

This maybe true, but the last cherry he picked made him more than $20 million. I'm pretty sure Margarito would love to be in that position instead of fighting unproven fighters for $1.5 million

LOL Exactly

[Bazooka]

LMAO@ CLotteys hand speed being close to Floyds.. You're dumb as hell just shut up. And everyone that seen the fight knows that Clottey was really injured then Margaritos people told margarito to tell them that he hurt himself too because he'll look like a bum not being able to beat a guy with a fucked up hand

Get fucking real in the interview with Clottey just before his fight with the late Corrales he stated that the hand wasnt broken there were no breaks it was a bruised Knuckle, while Tony had a wrist and a ankle injury face it Mark you just love some Floyd balls.

[Bazooka]

This maybe true, but the last cherry he picked made him more than $20 million. I'm pretty sure Margarito would love to be in that position instead of fighting unproven fighters for $1.5 million


you can see Floyd is clearly scared of Tony listen to him studder as he kisses that ass. :deal [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[BigReg]

If Margarito is as bad as you say he is then why does Floyd refuse to fight Margo? Floyd was offered his biggest payday at that point and instead decidedto take the easier fight in facing Baldomir. You should have seen Floyd's face when Margo confronted him.:yikes :asskiss

He got the same amount of money to fight an easier fighter, for a more respected belt, and more exposure.

[Bazooka]

Margarito lost to Daniel Santos.. I'm sure he's the best and most feared fighter out ther eright

Apparently you have not seen that fight.

[Pimp C]

he doesnt have to face mando with that BS title..

he just cherry picks...loser
Margo's whole career is nothing but cherries. He doesn't have a B+ fighter on his resume.:deal

[Bazooka]

Margo's whole career is nothing but cherries. He doesn't have a B+ fighter on his resume.:deal

you were not crying about that with Clottey you were talking about how Clottey was going to bust him up, again they are all B+ fighters because the A+ fighters are affraid to fight.

[markbrooklyn]

Apparently you have not seen that fight.

Umm yes i have.. And i guess the other 3 losses on his record he didn't lose either right?

[markbrooklyn]

That's where you're wrong! Floyd was gonna make 8 mil against Margo while he only made 2 mil against Baldomir. What happened to "if it make's money it makes sense"?

LMAO@ Floyd only making 2 million against Baldomir.. I don't know where you got that from dude.. He got about 10 million.. You think hes gonna fight Delahoya and go from making only 2 million to gettin 20 million? You're not too bright :think

[Pimp C]

you can see Floyd is clearly scared of Tony listen to him studder as he kisses that ass. :deal [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Come on man not this shit again. You said the same shit about PBF being scared of Oscar at the pressers for their fight to.:-( This video doesn't prove a damn thing and you know it. He fights an ATG in Oscar for his first fight at 154 but is scared of a limited journeyman in Margo??? Get the fuck outta here. PBF is superior to Margo in every department except power.:deal And anyone that knows boxing sees this fight for what it is a one-sided clinic courtsey of PBF. Margo doesn't have the jab, footwork, speed or boxing skills to trouble and elite boxer like PBF.

[Bazooka]

Umm yes i have.. And i guess the other 3 losses on his record he didn't lose either right?

Maybe he did, so what, when is the last time the man lost a fight at welter weight? its been more than a decade. keep hating son! Margarito clearly confronted Floyd and set Floyd in his bitch seat, I know you avoided looking at the Video you didnt want to see the reality in Floyds eyes.

[Pimp C]

you were not crying about that with Clottey you were talking about how Clottey was going to bust him up, again they are all B+ fighters because the A+ fighters are affraid to fight.
I never said Clottey would bust him up I picked Margo to win the fight.:deal

[Bazooka]

Come on man not this shit again. You said the same shit about PBF being scared of Oscar at the pressers for their fight to.:-( This video doesn't prove a damn thing and you know it. He fights an ATG in Oscar for his first fight at 154 but is scared of a limited journeyman in Margo??? Get the fuck outta here. PBF is superior to Margo in every department except power.:deal And anyone that knows boxing sees this fight for what it is a one-sided clinic courtsey of PBF. Margo doesn't have the jab, footwork, speed or boxing skills to trouble and elite boxer like PBF.

if everything you say is the truth, then why doesnt Floyd make the fight? its easy money right? why wouldnt he take that fight? Oh I forgot he wants to fight the smaller limited Hatton instead.
there is a good reason Floyd isnt taking the fight and its not because of the money the money is right, Floyd knows what he is doing, Floyd knows that Margarito will get in his ass and not the way YOU want to get in Floyds ass:gayfight

[Ramshall1]

FMJ already clearly ducked Margarito - until he fights him he IS a coward.

[Bazooka]

I never said Clottey would bust him up I picked Margo to win the fight.:deal

Sorry Pimp, I still get you mixed up, anyhow be honest why the hell do you think Margarito is being turned down by all the top welters? Honestly it isnt Money becuase Floyd was set to make 8 Million, so what the fuck is the real reason? try and be objective if you can, put your posters of Floyd away turn off your career DVD of Floyd and bring some truth to the table.

[Bazooka]

FMJ already clearly ducked Margarito - until he fights him he IS a coward.

THANK YOU!!! it dont take a rocket scientist to see the fucking truth or does it?:huh

[Bazooka]

you make no sense.

why would fmj fight a more UNPROVEN fighter in margorito For LESS money?

Ask Floyd he found plenty of reasons to fight Bruselles, Ndou, Mitchell,Corley,Judah and Baldimor so why not ask that man.

you put Margarito in there with those names and Margarito knocks them all out every single one of them including big headed baldimor.

[Ramshall1]

you make no sense.

why would fmj fight a more UNPROVEN fighter in margorito For LESS money?

we've been over this. . . he alreadly left money on the table to avoid AM (8 mill offer).

fraud basically paid Goosen 'bail out' money from the DLH purse.

[Bazooka]

we've been over this. . . he alreadly left money on the table to avoid AM (8 mill offer).

fraud basically paid Goosen 'bail out' money from the DLH purse.

a statement you will find that every Floyd fan avoids, Your statement alone is Margarito-ish:hey

[Pimp C]

if everything you say is the truth, then why doesnt Floyd make the fight? its easy money right? why wouldnt he take that fight? Oh I forgot he wants to fight the smaller limited Hatton instead.
there is a good reason Floyd isnt taking the fight and its not because of the money the money is right, Floyd knows what he is doing, Floyd knows that Margarito will get in his ass and not the way YOU want to get in Floyds ass:gayfight
PBF wants Hatton because this fight should have taken place in 2005 when PBF was at 140 and he wanted Hatton's championship. Second it's two prime P4P boxers squaring off. Third Hatton-PBF is way bigger fight for boxing than PBF-Margo. Fourth Hatton has been popping off at the mouth trying to discredit PBF every chance he gets and needs to be taught a lesson.
Yeah if Oscar De La Hoya an ATG and your hero couldn't get in his ass, then how the fuck does a limited journeyman with no jab, footwork or defense do it?:hi: I'll answer it for you he can't and only irrational PBF haters like yourself think someone as limited as Margo could do it. You better hope like hell that Margo beats Williams on saturday because if you think I talked alot of shit after the PBF-Oscar fight... brotha you ain't seen shit yet!:lol: :rofl :lol: :yep

[Ambition_Def]

Behold boxing fans! The Joy Gayweather parade of boxing4real jackasses who were so loud last year now covering their asses before the saturday night rape!

You fools make me laugh, everytime. Well sometimes I wanna vomit from reading your posts, but that is another story.

Get back to us when your balls drop, newbie. :good

[Ramshall1]

PBF wants Hatton because this fight should have taken place in 2005 when PBF was at 140 and he wanted Hatton's championship. Second it's two prime P4P boxers squaring off. Third Hatton-PBF is way bigger fight for boxing than PBF-Margo. Fourth Hatton has been popping off at the mouth trying to discredit PBF every chance he gets and needs to be taught a lesson.
Yeah if Oscar De La Hoya an ATG and your hero couldn't get in his ass, then how the fuck does a limited journeyman with no jab, footwork or defense do it?:hi: I'll answer it for you he can't and only irrational PBF haters like yourself think someone as limited as Margo could do it. You better hope like hell that Margo beats Williams on saturday because if you think I talked alot of shit after the PBF-Oscar fight... brotha you ain't seen shit yet!:lol: :rofl :lol: :yep

This is where you Fraud Groupies got yer heads up yer asses.

If AM loses to PW, there is no "shame" in that - he would have displayed courage in taking the fight when his own promoter didnt want him to.

FMJ has already lost the respect of any man who actually values "courage" and despises "cowardice" because he already ducked AM.

[Ambition_Def]

put your name on the bet thread and we'll see who's laughing come saturday.

For one, you will most certainly be long gone after Margarito gets his job done.

And two, I don't do shitty internet bets. Never have and never will.

I've said this long and loud now for over a year. Paul Williams was a hyped roadblock between Margarito and his destiny as the best welter currently active.

The demolition of the "Punisher" will commence on saturday night. :bbb

[Bazooka]

PBF wants Hatton because this fight should have taken place in 2005 when PBF was at 140 and he wanted Hatton's championship. Second it's two prime P4P boxers squaring off. Third Hatton-PBF is way bigger fight for boxing than PBF-Margo. Fourth Hatton has been popping off at the mouth trying to discredit PBF every chance he gets and needs to be taught a lesson.
Yeah if Oscar De La Hoya an ATG and your hero couldn't get in his ass, then how the fuck does a limited journeyman with no jab, footwork or defense do it?:hi: I'll answer it for you he can't and only irrational PBF haters like yourself think someone as limited as Margo could do it. You better hope like hell that Margo beats Williams on saturday because if you think I talked alot of shit after the PBF-Oscar fight... brotha you ain't seen shit yet!:lol: :rofl :lol: :yep

I will tell you how Margarito gets in his ass, Tony throws more shots per round than Oscar does more than Floyd is willing to throw that is how, he is a full time balls out pressure fighter, a style that wont set well with Floyds, the man averages 80+ shots per round.
you can call him limted im fine with that but for someone as I said being so limited the elite fighters want nothing to do with him, as I have asked you before if its such an easy fight why hasnt it happend?
Floyd would rather take the Hatton fight for one reason and one reason only, look at what the limited Collazo was able to do with Hatton, its an easy fight for Floyd that is why he is taking it.
and I did talk alot of shit after the DLH fight, I favor the aggresor no doubt I felt Oscar won the fight as did others, the out come was not clear Floyd didnt clearly win the fight it was a SD a one point win for Floyd that is not an ass whippen if you think that is an ass whippen then I think you have fell off the deep end.
and even if Tony losses to Williams whats that got to do with Floyd and Tony? Floyd is riding out on this shit by the narrowist of wins over an older version of De La Hoya, beating Oscar doesnt make Floyd much Hopkins and Mosley beat Oscar more convincingly than Floyd did and they fought younger versions of DLH, in fact a more active DLH.
either way it still doesnt change the fact that Floyd ducked Margarito!!! nothing will change that until Floyd mans up and fights him.

[Bazooka]

margo will be forgotten by sunday

This is true, becuase people will say well Williams wasnt anybody anyways, Margarito just beat another bum.:hey

[Ambition_Def]

Nail on the head Bazooka. :good

35 year old Shane Mosely, old legs and even older hunger.

Old ass DLH with a bad shoulder and elbow. Good luck throwing that 80 times a round.

Winky Wright who prides himself on beating guys who throw one punch at a time. Has everyone already forgot how Solimon got in his ass? Remind me again of what type of boxer Solimon is? Crude pressure, thanks.

And last but not least, lil Floyd and his ambitions to capture at title a 147. I'm cool with that, but you and Ring magazine can go fuck yourselves if you think you are the best 147lb fighter in the world. That honor belongs to Antonio Margarito. And after he stomps Williams and stops Cotto you will be forced to admit it.

[Bazooka]

Nail on the head Bazooka. :good

35 year old Shane Mosely, old legs and even older hunger.

Old ass DLH with a bad shoulder and elbow. Good luck throwing that 80 times a round.

Winky Wright who prides himself on beating guys who throw one punch at a time. Has everyone already forgot how Solimon got in his ass? Remind me again of what type of boxer Solimon is? Crude pressure, thanks.

And last but not least, lil Floyd and his ambitions to capture at title a 147. I'm cool with that, but you and Ring magazine can go fuck yourselves if you think you are the best 147lb fighter in the world. That honor belongs to Antonio Margarito. And after he stomps Williams and stops Cotto you will be forced to admit it.

I only consider Margarito the best Welter weight because he has been consistant and he has been avoided by all the best, he is still #1 according to Ring Magazine, meaning if we only went by their ratings Floyd would have to defend against his mandotory which would be Margarito, but thank god for the WBC IBF and other sanctioning bodies, thank god Ring doesnt and cant enforce a mandotory defense other wise he would have to face tony, its funny how they all point to Rings ratings regarding his P4P status and his welter weight status yet when Tony is brought up they never look at that same publisher that has him rated just under Floyd, and Floyd is supposed to be the man to take on the biggest fights right? :patsch if that were true he would have took on the free easy money in fighting Tony, he would have used the ratings of Ring to justify why he should fight Tony, but even Floyd knows better.

[Pimp C]

Funny people keep talking about Margo's worldclass workrate which is good when he's fighting someone who's there to be hit. PBF is the exact opposite. Margo's workrate will drop by 50% against PBF I will guarantee it. Why you ask? Because Margo will be throwing at at air bothered by PBF's superior movement and two he will get countered to hell in back with his slow wide looping shots three PBF can fight while backing up. PBF will befuddle Margo and make him look like the slow limted plodder we all knew he was. Margo can't handle movement, speed and good counterpunching, in other words he's fucked against PBF.:deal

[C Money]

It's no secret that PBf hasnt fought the best. Only his delusional, nut swinging, hype train riding fans try to defend it.

I dont have a problem with Hatton, in all honesty it should have happened at 40 before PBf moved up.

Yet, 47 is where he has the opportunity to leave his legacy. SSM, Margarito vs Williams winner, and Cotto are the opponents to do it against and if Floyd doesnt step up?? He pisses away his legacy.

[Pimp C]

Nail on the head Bazooka. :good

35 year old Shane Mosely, old legs and even older hunger.

Old ass DLH with a bad shoulder and elbow. Good luck throwing that 80 times a round.

Winky Wright who prides himself on beating guys who throw one punch at a time. Has everyone already forgot how Solimon got in his ass? Remind me again of what type of boxer Solimon is? Crude pressure, thanks.

And last but not least, lil Floyd and his ambitions to capture at title a 147. I'm cool with that, but you and Ring magazine can go fuck yourselves if you think you are the best 147lb fighter in the world. That honor belongs to Antonio Margarito. And after he stomps Williams and stops Cotto you will be forced to admit it.
How's he the best at 147 when he's never beaten anyone of note there or even faced a champ of the division he's been in for 10 years?:huh

[Bazooka]

Funny people keep talking about Margo's worldclass workrate which is good when he's fighting someone who's there to be hit. PBF is the exact opposite. Margo's workrate will drop by 50% against PBF I will guarantee it. Why you ask? Because Margo will be throwing at at air bothered by PBF's superior movement and two he will get countered to hell in back with his slow wide looping shots three PBF can fight while backing up. PBF will befuddle Margo and make him look like the slow limted plodder we all knew he was. Margo can't handle movement, speed and good counterpunching, in other words he's fucked against PBF.:deal

Floyd dont hit hard enough to get the respect from Tony, and when Floyd is on them ropes he wont be able to counter as effectivley as he did in recent fights, Tony will be cracking him to the body and head much more than Oscar was able to. Bank on that.
the only thing Floyd can try is the style he used with baldimor, but Tony wont just stand there he will be comming forward with harder shots,.
its nice that you notice all the bells and whistles Floyd does have but there is one thing you forgot, Floyd dosent have the heart to man up and try to fight Margarito, if he did the fight would have happend.

[Bazooka]

How's he the best at 147 when he's never beaten anyone of note there or even faced a champ of the division he's been in for 10 years?:huh

Ask Ring Magazine that he is rated #1 just under the Champion Mayweather, teh same people who have Floyd rated #1 P4P and the same people you all point out when people question Floyd.
so if Ring says this that and the other about Floyd and you all use that as fuel than you MUST accept Ring magazines position with Margarito. you cant have it one way.

[Pimp C]

It's no secret that PBf hasnt fought the best. Only his delusional, nut swinging, hype train riding fans try to defend it.

I dont have a problem with Hatton, in all honesty it should have happened at 40 before PBf moved up.

Yet, 47 is where he has the opportunity to leave his legacy. SSM, Margarito vs Williams winner, and Cotto are the opponents to do it against and if Floyd doesnt step up?? He pisses away his legacy.
He hasn't pissed away anything he's already an ATG even if he never fights again in his life.:deal

[Bazooka]

Margo can't handle movement, speed and good counterpunching, in other words he's fucked against PBF.:deal

He made Clottey quit in the last third of the fight, and he had speed movement and could counter very well. in other words Floyd is fucked.

[Pimp C]

Ask Ring Magazine that he is rated #1 just under the Champion Mayweather, teh same people who have Floyd rated #1 P4P and the same people you all point out when people question Floyd.
so if Ring says this that and the other about Floyd and you all use that as fuel than you MUST accept Ring magazines position with Margarito. you cant have it one way.
Not anymore Cotto is.

[Bazooka]

He hasn't pissed away anything he's already an ATG even if he never fights again in his life.:deal

Just the way Vitali was when he retired right:good

[C Money]

He hasn't pissed away anything he's already an ATG even if he never fights again in his life.:deal


You walk away from PROVING to be among the best, maybe to 20 or so?? That's bullshit and PBF has avoided top opp in EVERY DIVISION. Real respect is earned.

BTW?? Pretty much every other "Champ"(judah, baldo, PBF) at 47 during margarito's time there has AVOIDED HIM. He'd love to get them in the ring:good Also, Marg has had the BO belt and is a titlelist just like PBFhas been in 3 of his 5 division's.

[Pimp C]

He made Clottey quit in the last third of the fight, and he had speed movement and could counter very well. in other words Floyd is fucked.
Comparing PBF to Clottey is like well comaparing PBF to Margo there is no comparision.:lol: PBF is head and shoulders above them both.

[C Money]

Comparing PBF to Clottey is like well comaparing PBF to Margo there is no comparision.:lol: PBF is head and shoulders above them both.

that's OPINION!!!! A WIN would be fact and the only fact is PBF turned down 8 mil twice to face Marg:good

[Bazooka]

Comparing PBF to Clottey is like well comaparing PBF to Margo there is no comparision.:lol: PBF is head and shoulders above them both.

you cant compare Margarito and Floyd, Margarito has heart and honor, Floyds a Coward

[Bazooka]

that's OPINION!!!! A WIN would be fact and the only fact is PBF turned down 8 mil twice to face Marg:good

Exactly

[Pimp C]

that's OPINION!!!! A WIN would be fact and the only fact is PBF turned down 8 mil twice to face Marg:good
And Margo turned PBF down to face Gomez on BS PPV that did only 25K in buys.:good

[Ambition_Def]

He made Clottey quit in the last third of the fight, and he had speed movement and could counter very well. in other words Floyd is fucked.

What people fail to understand here is that Clottey and Mayweather are not of the same build.

Clottey is a very strong welterweight who is very energetic in the first 4-5 rounds. Yes he does fade after about 6 rounds, but in those first 4 or so he is usually brilliant. Much like Zab Judah.

Mayweather is for all general purposes, a one and done fighter. He doesn't stand his ground like Clottey, he picks and moves. And he does this against guys much smaller and much older than Margarito. Easy work indeed.

Essentially Margarito has NOTHING to fear from Floyd's offense. That would be huge in this fight. And if people don't think Margarito can catch a man running they need to watch more of his fights. He lands those overhand rights on runners pretty regularly. :smoke

[Ramshall1]

How's he the best at 147 when he's never beaten anyone of note there or even faced a champ of the division he's been in for 10 years?:huh

what part of "the best refuse to fight him" is so hard to understand.


If you are not disgusted by the fact that AM has earned but has not gotten his shot at the top - then you are not a true boxing fan at all.

[Bazooka]

And Margo turned PBF down to face Gomez on BS PPV that did only 25K in buys.:good

Thats becuase Floyd only offered that fight the way any coward would it was two weeks prior, you mean to tell me that Tony should have dropped everything then and there for that fight?
you know nothing about boxing if you say so, this wouldnt allow Tony the time to find the proper sparing partners to prepair him for a runner like Floyd.
and if you new BOXING you would know that Floyds offer was about as cowardly as it can get. he only offered that fight so his idiotic fans such as yourself could use that as Fuel to justify his heartless behavior.

[Pimp C]

what part of "the best refuse to fight him" is so hard to understand.


If you are not disgusted by the fact that AM has earned but has not gotten his shot at the top - then you are not a true boxing fan at all.
Why should I it's his own fault. He should ditch the worthless WBO strap and fire Arum and sign with King or Goldenboy and he would get the big fights.

[C Money]

And Margo turned PBF down to face Gomez on BS PPV that did only 25K in buys.:good

Ok, well now that PBF seems to be changing his similar tune that he once sung about Hatton, then he should have no problem going after Tony next, right??

Again, OPINIONS only turn to facts in the RING. Proof beats troof every time:good

[Bazooka]

Why should I it's his own fault. He should ditch the worthless WBO strap and fire Arum and sign with King or Goldenboy and he would get the big fights.

Sure he would and had he dumped that belt you would all be calling him a coward for avoiding Williams, its a catch 22 with Margarito, its okay for Floyd to vacate not Tony. Mexicans are held to a higher standard in this sport.

[C Money]

Why should I it's his own fault. He should ditch the worthless WBO strap and fire Arum and sign with King or Goldenboy and he would get the big fights.

BO straps are no more worthless than the rest in the sad state of boxing affairs that exists these day's.

Floyd should go on a 4 or 5 fight, STOP THE BS CAMPAIGN.

[Bazooka]

Margo fans take things too personally. They like Margo because he says he's the most feared in boxing. or he's a real nice guy. or he deserves it blah blah blah.

and they don't like floyd because of his personality. this isn't daytime drama kiddies this is boxing. AND IN THE RING floyd is top right now...hands down straight up period.

on top fighting old guys has beens and never could have beens, name the last fighter that Floyd has faced in his prime? when you come up with that which it should take you a while, then tell me the last time he faced a mandotory? and you say he is the top dog now? get fucking real! Floyd is nothing more than a promotional act that simple

[C Money]

on top fighting old guys has beens and never could have beens, name the last fighter that Floyd has faced in his prime? when you come up with that which it should take you a while, then tell me the last time he faced a mandotory? and you say he is the top dog now? get fucking real! Floyd is nothing more than a promotional act that simple

The world awaits PBF's FIRST DEFENSE at 47:good There should be at least 4.

[Pimp C]

Thats becuase Floyd only offered that fight the way any coward would it was two weeks prior, you mean to tell me that Tony should have dropped everything then and there for that fight?
you know nothing about boxing if you say so, this wouldnt allow Tony the time to find the proper sparing partners to prepair him for a runner like Floyd.
and if you new BOXING you would know that Floyds offer was about as cowardly as it can get. he only offered that fight so his idiotic fans such as yourself could use that as Fuel to justify his heartless behavior.
You're exactly right he should have dropped everything. If you have the chance to fight the P4P #1 fighter in the sport or a bum like Shotgun Gomez you do everything in your power to make it happen. What style Tony was preparing for is irrelevent it still wouldn't keep him from getting a boxing lesson from PBF.:lol:
And lastly Margo is a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him.

[Bazooka]

You're exactly right he should have dropped everything. If you have the chance to fight the P4P #1 fighter in the sport or a bum like Shotgun Gomez you do everything in your power to make it happen. What style Tony was preparing for is irrelevent it still wouldn't keep him from getting a boxing lesson from PBF.:lol:
And lastly Margo is a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him.

Your a fucking idiot if you beleive he should have just dropped everything then and there you know good and well that I have told you the truth put spin on it, thats fine, Floyd loves it when you spin while your sitting on his lap pedaling his balls.:good

[Pimp C]

on top fighting old guys has beens and never could have beens, name the last fighter that Floyd has faced in his prime? when you come up with that which it should take you a while, then tell me the last time he faced a mandotory? and you say he is the top dog now? get fucking real! Floyd is nothing more than a promotional act that simple
Zab Judah ring a bell. BTW a promotional act don't get you a win over Oscar and to be the P4P #1 boxer in the sport, that's earned not given.

[C Money]

You're exactly right he should have dropped everything. If you have the chance to fight the P4P #1 fighter in the sport or a bum like Shotgun Gomez you do everything in your power to make it happen. What style Tony was preparing for is irrelevent it still wouldn't keep him from getting a boxing lesson from PBF.:lol:
And lastly Margo is a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him.

Gee, if Floyd would just defend that crown, they wouldnt have any excuses to discredit him with, right???:yep :yep :yep :yep

[Ramshall1]

Why should I it's his own fault. He should ditch the worthless WBO strap and fire Arum and sign with King or Goldenboy and he would get the big fights.

If you honestly think he would be better off dropping his belt in the hopes that the other orgs are gonna do the right thing tehn you are truly naive.

Arum did his job in offering Fraud his biggest payday to that point - plus free agency after a one fight deal (something Fraud gave up in order to avoid AM). Now Arum has Cotto lined up shoudl he get past PW - Id say Arum started off slow but is making up for it. Its Frauds fault he is a coward and turned down the offer.

[C Money]

Zab Judah ring a bell. BTW a promotional act don't get you a win over Oscar and to be the P4P #1 boxer in the sport, that's earned not given.

Fucking P4P isnt a belt and doesnt count for SHIT in reality. It's not EARNED, it's voted on:good

Judah in his prime?? Just after being beaten by Baldomir??:lol: STFU!!
PBF's 4 best opponents are Corrales, Castillo, Judah, and DLH and they dont compare to Hatton, margarito, SSM, and Cotto.

Add 4+4?? and then PBf can start solidifying his claims

[Bazooka]

Zab Judah ring a bell. BTW a promotional act don't get you a win over Oscar and to be the P4P #1 boxer in the sport, that's earned not given.

Zab Judah never beat a top welter weight EVER!!!

[Ramshall1]

You're exactly right he should have dropped everything. If you have the chance to fight the P4P #1 fighter in the sport or a bum like Shotgun Gomez you do everything in your power to make it happen. What style Tony was preparing for is irrelevent it still wouldn't keep him from getting a boxing lesson from PBF.:lol:
And lastly Margo is a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him.

You just identified yourself to be truly ignorant on boxing - If you were a manager you would probably put Andy Lee in with Pavlik right now and have Andre Berto fight Shane Mosley on twoo weeks notice. :patsch

[Pimp C]

Zab Judah never beat a top welter weight EVER!!!
Cory Spinks was the man at 147 when Zab beat him and is an elite fighter whether you like his style is irrelevant he's a good win on anyone's resume.

[C Money]

Cory Spinks was the man at 147 when Zab beat him and is an elite fighter whether you like his style is irrelevant he's a good win on anyone's resume.

Whats that got to do with losing to Baldo who CERTAINLY IS NOT an elite fighter!!!

Also, Judah just got ko'd by Cotto and will next appear on FNF in september, he aint ELITE.

[Bazooka]

Cory Spinks was the man at 147 when Zab beat him and is an elite fighter whether you like his style is irrelevant he's a good win on anyone's resume.

Really how? he got a UD over Mayorga? real fucking accomplishment there isnt it? other than Mayorga what top welter weight did Spinks beat?:huh

[Relentless]

damn i cant believe i missed the whole argument......

oh well........


pimp c is a fruity bitch who is jealous that leonard ellerbe gets to take off floyds short, floyd is ducking the sugar man and fighting a overrated hatton!

[Pimp C]

You just identified yourself to be truly ignorant on boxing - If you were a manager you would probably put Andy Lee in with Pavlik right now and have Andre Berto fight Shane Mosley on twoo weeks notice. :patsch
More dumb shit from you huh? You can't compare Andy Lee or Berto with Margo dumbass both are green fighters. Margo has been a pro for 10 years and if he wasn't ready for PBF then he never will be.:-( Sounds a lot like Ricky Hatton saying he needed two or three more fights before facing PBF.

[Pimp C]

Really how? he got a UD over Mayorga? real fucking accomplishment there isnt it? other than Mayorga what top welter weight did Spinks beat?:huh
Zab Judah.:D

[Ramshall1]

More dumb shit from you huh? You can't compare Andy Lee or Berto with Margo dumbass both are green fighters. Margo has been a pro for 10 years and if he wasn't ready for PBF then he never will be.:-( Sounds a lot like Ricky Hatton saying he needed two or three more fights before facing PBF.

you truly are slow - Im pointing out ways to poorly manage a boxers career.

If Fraud really wanted the AM fight he would have taken 8 mil + free agency. He never had any intention on taking the fight, he knows it, I know it, even you probably know it - he is nothing more than a yellow belly coward when it comes to AM.

[C Money]

More dumb shit from you huh? You can't compare Andy Lee or Berto with Margo dumbass both are green fighters. Margo has been a pro for 10 years and if he wasn't ready for PBF then he never will be.:-( Sounds a lot like Ricky Hatton saying he needed two or three more fights before facing PBF.

Still clinging on that BS?? When that was said, Floyd was chasing Judah and DLH and had expressed no desire to fight Hatton. But you can put that shit to rest as they are negoitiating now are they not??

PBF needs to fight the fights:good

[Pimp C]

damn i cant believe i missed the whole argument......

oh well........


pimp c is a fruity bitch who is jealous that leonard ellerbe gets to take off floyds short, floyd is ducking the sugar man and fighting a overrated hatton!
Your boy Margo is going down on saturday night like you go down on Cotto and Shane:good

[Relentless]

the sugar man will school pbf with his lightning fast combos and killer unintentional headbutts.

[Bazooka]

Zab Judah.:D

OWNED!!!!:tired

[Relentless]

Your boy Margo is going down on saturday night like you go down on Cotto and Shane:good

margo aint my boy, i'm a fan yes but he aint got nothing on cotto or mosley.

btw ellerbe how is floyds ass? i hear you been waxing it.

[Alo2006]

Cotto wouldnt have fought him without the belt.. Margarito is a no name, That means he's nothing without the belt. That's the main reason Cotto is fighting him is for the belt.

Exactly!

[Alo2006]

Cotto wouldnt have fought him without the belt.. Margarito is a no name, That means he's nothing without the belt. That's the main reason Cotto is fighting him is for the belt.

Exactly!

[Relentless]

i think you got it wrong, cotto doesn't decide who he fights thats arums job, arum was going to make margo vacate the belt so he can get cotto to fight margo, i even remember him saying he will make margo vs cotto even if margo loses against williams.

[C Money]

yes they do compare.

cotto is on his way up so its understandable pbf hasn't fought him yet.
hatton is a super hype job.
margorito is just shit.
SSm mosley is doin his own thing


Bullshit they do:lol:

Cotto = Undefeated and prime

Hatton = Undefeated and prime

Margarito BO Champ ducked by all other titleists at 47 including PBF

SSM on his way down?? Then WTF was DLH??:lol: You might remember that SSM has two victories over the golden boy including a PRIME victory and is/was clearly the better fighter.

Like I said, it's NOT OPINION's, ITS VICTORIES that count. PBF huff, puff, rejected my offer BS?? Is what it is and you dont get credit for that:good

Now, PBF, if he's the best all time, like he claims, could/should square off against all and PROVE his status. Hopefully, the Hatton deal gets done and it would be a first step.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Why are people making threads saying we should respect him and that he doesn't duck anyone? Did you forget he was FORCED to fight Paul Williams because Goosen and Williams were gonna go to court to get Margarito stripped of his title if he didnt fight Williams?? Margarito didn't want to fight Williams.. The only reason he's fighting him is because Cotto and his people want Margarito to have the title because the fight won't be worth as much.. I'm not really all that impressed with Paul Williams and I think he's still a little green and needs more work but I'm even less impressed with Margarito. While I think Margarito should easily beat Williams since he claims hes the most feared welterweight I'm going with Williams beating Margarito by Decision.

In thw Williams case, he was oging for someone with a bigger name who had accomplished more. I applaud Margarito's decision to face Williams. But at some point, when does he say NO to a mandatory and try to go for the fights HE WANTS rather the fights his opponent wants?

How do you know what Cotto and his people want? Is this just a guess? Well, Cotto just fought a losing streak ZAB, and he had no title. Maybe you shouldn't try reading minds, since 99.99999999% that just makes you wrong.

Wow....you're making a pick on William - Margarito due to Margarito's promoter calling him the most feared man at 147? :patsch And I thought posters at least made EDUCATED PICKS based on the fighters themselves.

[Ramshall1]

In thw Williams case, he was oging for someone with a bigger name who had accomplished more. I applaud Margarito's decision to face Williams. But at some point, when does he say NO to a mandatory and try to go for the fights HE WANTS rather the fights his opponent wants?

How do you know what Cotto and his people want? Is this just a guess? Well, Cotto just fought a losing streak ZAB, and he had no title. Maybe you shouldn't try reading minds, since 99.99999999% that just makes you wrong.

Wow....you're making a pick on William - Margarito due to Margarito's promoter calling him the most feared man at 147? :patsch And I thought posters at least made EDUCATED PICKS based on the fighters themselves.

when will you guys get it - its not just Arum saying it - its FMJ proving it by ducking him.

[Lance_Uppercut]

when will you guys get it - its not just Arum saying it - its FMJ proving it by ducking him.

Floyd's responsible for most of the hype. :deal

[Ramshall1]

Floyd's responsible for most of the hype. :deal

Maybe Floyd wouldnt duck him if he was the bum his fans seem to think he is.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Maybe Floyd wouldnt duck him if he was the bum his fans seem to think he is.

Maybe Floyd wasn't as confident as the 17yo Mayweather Jr. fans on this site are.