David Tua v.s Joe Louis [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

garymcfall

07-10-2007, 06:37 PM

janitor

07-10-2007, 06:39 PM

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 06:40 PM

Come on people, Tua shouldnt even be mentioned on the same piece of paper as Joe Louis. He has a decent chin but the referee would stop this massacre within the first 4 rounds as Louis hits him with shots from all angles. If Tua miraculasly manages to land a big punch Louis gets up and whips him even more violently.

Let's not get carried away. Tua may not have accomplished nearly as much as Louis, but you can't let that take away from the attributes than an animal like Tua possesses.

Tua KOs Louis inside of 2 rounds.

janitor

07-10-2007, 06:42 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]Let's not get carried away. Tua may not have accomplished nearly as much as Louis, but you can't let that take away from the attributes than an animal like Tua possesses.

A left hook a good chin and a funny haircut?

Tua KOs Louis inside of 2 rounds.

Why should any fighter in history be able to do that?

Louis was only ever taken out after a sustained beating.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 06:43 PM

[QUOTE]

A left hook a good chin and a funny haircut?

A left hook that would plaster Louis when he connected with it.

Why should any fighter in history be able to do that?

Louis was only ever taken out after a sustained beating.

A sustained beating at the hands of a fighter who was never a huge puncher to begin with.

Boro chris

07-10-2007, 06:48 PM

There is no such thing as a good chin against Louis. A good few guys who had never seen the canvas before got their first taste of it at his hands.

My thoughts exactly. I dont care what your chins like-Louis wasn't just a huge hitter, he was also so precise with his combinations. Louis knocked out bigger fighters than Tua.
I do rate Tua as a pretty decent heavy though, he'd give Joe a good fight for as long as it lasted.

garymcfall

07-10-2007, 06:49 PM

Let's not get carried away. Tua may not have accomplished nearly as much as Louis, but you can't let that take away from the attributes than an animal like Tua possesses.

Tua KOs Louis inside of 2 rounds.

Sorry but the man is so overated on these boards. Tua looked good against the likes of John Ruiz but as soon as he stepped up to the next level against a great fighter like Lennox Lewis he got his ass handed to him. If he had fought Tyson , even though Mike at the time was a shadow of his prime self, he would have taken a sound beating. I am not disputing that he was a terrific power puncher and his chin is very good but he lacks the ring prowess and intelligence to even contemplate being competitive with a master such as Joe Louis, who i think is also overated by the way but still a complete league above David bloody Tua.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 06:52 PM

Sorry but the man is so overated on these boards. Tua looked good against the likes of John Ruiz but as soon as he stepped up to the next level against a great fighter like Lennox Lewis he got his ass handed to him. If he had fought Tyson , even though Mike at the time was a shadow of his prime self, he would have taken a sound beating. I am not disputing that he was a terrific power puncher and his chin is very good but he lacks the ring prowess and intelligence to even contemplate being competitive with a master such as Joe Louis, who i think is also overated by the way but still a complete league above David bloody Tua.

Lewis had significant advantages against David Tua, and he also respected the fuck out of his power. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe Louis was a " master " like people say. I don't think his offense would be enough to keep Tua off of him, and Louis had only a decent defense at best. I think Tua overwhelms Louis with his sheer power and punch resistance.

Bummy Davis

07-10-2007, 06:53 PM

Louis by a serious Ko, I think and early Ko, remeber Savon KO'd Tua in 1 round, Louis would give him DeJaVu

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 06:53 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]Marciano was never a big puncher? Are you kidding?

I'm referring to Schmeling. And no, I don't believe Marciano possessed the power of Tua.

janitor

07-10-2007, 06:54 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]
A left hook that would plaster Louis when he connected with it.

Louis took some flush shots from Max Baer. There is no reason to imagine that any fighter in history could take him out with a single shot.

A sustained beating at the hands of a fighter who was never a huge puncher to begin with.

Actualy Schmeling was always regarded as one of the hardest punchers of his era.

In any event a knockout resulting from a sustained beating from dose not equate to a fighter being taken out with a single shot by anybody however hard they hit.

Boro chris

07-10-2007, 06:55 PM

:lol: No way Tua goes to sleep. He was bigger, stronger, and had a better chin by far than Louis. Louis was the better ATG, but I never have him near the top when it comes to head to head matchups. I think he would outbox Tua though.

I dont care how good a chin you've got. If you get hit properly thats it.
And there never was a more precise hitter than Louis.
I do agree Louis would try to box Tua though. Maybe a ko is not a forgone conclusion.

janitor

07-10-2007, 06:57 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]Lewis had significant advantages against David Tua, and he also respected the fuck out of his power.

He would respect Louis's power after he has landed 70 flush punches to his chin in the first round.

I don't think his offense would be enough to keep Tua off of him,

Hasim Ramhan managed untill Tua cheated by hiting him after the bell. You dont actualy have to be that good to keep Tua off you.

and Louis had only a decent defense at best. I think Tua overwhelms Louis with his sheer power and punch resistance.

He failed to overwhelm or some far lesser fighters than Louis.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:01 PM

[QUOTE] Louis took some flush shots from Max Baer. There is no reason to imagine that any fighter in history could take him out with a single shot.

If we're going to talk about Tua being overrated on these boards then Max Baer definitely needs a mention as overrated, as well. I'm sure Max was powerful, but I believe Tua is a lot more powerful, and Max Baer is probably one of the sloppiest heavyweight champions in history.

Actualy Schmeling was always regarded as one of the hardest punchers of his era.

I disagree about Schmeling's punching power.

In any event a knockout resulting from a sustained beating from dose not equate to a fighter being taken out with a single shot by anybody however hard they hit.

Sure it does. Holyfield knocked down Moorer I believe four times before stopping him, right? Foreman knocked him out with one punch. Just because one guy can't knock him out as quickly as the other it doesn't mean that a harder puncher couldn't put him out easier.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:02 PM

Just like he plastered Hasim Rahman.

Yup. :good

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:05 PM

[QUOTE]Hasim Ramhan managed untill Tua cheated by hiting him after the bell. You dont actualy have to be that good to keep Tua off you.

Same can apply for Louis. This is the same guy who was knocked down by Tony Galento, remember. Louis had been knocked down on many other occasions, as well. So Louis was no " master boxer " as some people often romanticize.

janitor

07-10-2007, 07:07 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]
If we're going to talk about Tua being overrated on these boards then Max Baer definitely needs a mention as overrated, as well. I'm sure Max was powerful, but I believe Tua is a lot more powerful, and Max Baer is probably one of the sloppiest heavyweight champions in history.

In terms of power he was up there with anybody. I can see no reason for arguing that Tua hit harder.

I disagree about Schmeling's punching power.

Then you disagree with everybody who fought him and all contemporary analysits.

Sure it does. Holyfield knocked down Moorer I believe four times before stopping him, right? Foreman knocked him out with one punch.

But then Schmeling needed 57 flush punches over twelve rounds. A slightly bigger diference than four punches to one.

Just because one guy can't knock him out as quickly as the other it doesn't mean that a harder puncher couldn't put him out easier.

If it takes twelve rounds of flush shots for a powerfull counterpuncher like Schmeling to put Louis away then it is safe to say that Tua is not doing it with one telegraphed swing.

janitor

07-10-2007, 07:09 PM

Same can apply for Louis. This is the same guy who was knocked down by Tony Galento, remember. Louis had been knocked down on many other occasions, as well. So Louis was no " master boxer " as some people often romanticize.

There are very few heavyweight champions who have not been put on the deck by sombody not fit to lace up their gloves.

Muhamad Ali was knocked down by Sonny Banks, Henry Cooper and Chuck Wepner.

Dose that mean Tua would blast him with a single hook?

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:11 PM

Dose that mean Tua would blast him with a single hook?

I believe Tua has 10 times the left hook that sloppy Galento does, so yes.

Tua KOs Louis inside 2 rounds.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:13 PM

But then Schmeling needed 57 flush punches over twelve rounds. A slightly bigger diference than four punches to one.

Nevertheless, it still shows what the bigger puncher can do.

If it takes twelve rounds of flush shots for a powerfull counterpuncher like Schmeling to put Louis away then it is safe to say that Tua is not doing it with one telegraphed swing.

I still disagree. Tua is a bigger puncher than Schmeling, in my judgement.

janitor

07-10-2007, 07:14 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]I believe Tua has 10 times the left hook that sloppy Galento does, so yes.

Tua might have a better left hook than Galento and he might not. One journalist who saw both Tony Galento and Sonny Liston hiting the heavy bag thought that Galento hit harder.

Tua KOs Louis inside 2 rounds.

Again you fail to adress the bigest problem with your prediction.

You need to justify that Louis can even theoreticaly be taken out with a single telegraphed punch. All the evidence points to the contrary.

hdog

07-10-2007, 07:15 PM

Tua's best chance would be to fall on Louis on the way down.

janitor

07-10-2007, 07:18 PM

[quote=RAMPAGE0017]Nevertheless, it still shows what the bigger puncher can do.

Only if he is able to consistently land on Louis's chin over 10 rounds or more.

Tua can't do this because he dose not have the technique.

The best that he can hope for is a single lucky hit which all the dat indicates will not be enough.

I still disagree. Tua is a bigger puncher than Schmeling, in my judgement.

Tua has more power than Schmeling but not a hundredth of his boxing skill. That is why he will not be able to land on Louis's chin consistently.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:19 PM

[QUOTE]

Tua might have a better left hook than Galento and he might not. One journalist who saw both Tony Galento and Sonny Liston hiting the heavy bag thought that Galento hit harder.

I think Tua has a better left hook than Galento, definitely. It's not like journalists aren't known to over-romanticize what they see. Sort've like how people say Louis lifted Galento " a foot " off the canvas with a single punch.

[QUOTE]Again you fail to adress the bigest problem with your prediction.

You need to justify that Louis can even theoreticaly be taken out with a single telegraphed punch. All the evidence points to the contrary.

Not necessarily, many people seem to think that Louis can KO Tua, although Tua's never even been close to being taken out. It's all subjective.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:21 PM

Rampage is just using stupid logic with little to no reasoning behind his posts. H. Cooper knocked Ali down with a left hook..judging by his logic..(if the internet had existed in 1963), he'd say Liston would KO him with his left hook.

Yeah, Cooper knocked Ali down, what's your point?

So you don't think Liston couldn't KO Louis? Geez, talk about stupid logic. :lol:

garymcfall

07-10-2007, 07:22 PM

I dont think Louis could KO Tua i think his chin is a little too good to be put down for 10 by Louis but the ref or tuas corner would stop it within 5 rounds because Tua would not be landing and would be getting hit from all directions, basically getting a boxing lesson

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:27 PM

Dipshit. Did you even read it?:patsch

I meant you'd be saying that Liston would KO Ali with his left hook simply because Cooper knocked Ali down.

RAMEPAGE0017 : Cooper knocked Ali down with his left hook. If Cooper can knock Ali down with his left hook, Sonny Liston would KO him easily. Liston is way bigger and a way harder-hitter than Cooper.

:yep

First of all, numbnuts, I'm not basing my thinking Tua could knock out Louis by the fact that Galento knocked him down. What I'm basing that example on is that Louis wasn't a difficult target, even for a fat brawler. So please, if you can't keep up with the arguement, do not join in on it. :good

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:42 PM

You pretty much are.

"..I think Tua has a better left hook than Galento.. "

"..I believe Tua has 10 times the left hook that sloppy Galento does, so yes.. "

Now fuck off. I'm sure there's a local school nearby that you can go to, ya know? play on the little baby swings and whatnot. :yep

Why, yes.. I do believe Tua has a better left hook than Galento.

Now show me where I implied the logic of " If Galento can knock Louis down than Tua can knock him out ". Like I said, kiddo.. if you can't keep up with the arguement, stay out of it. :good

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:52 PM

you're implying it when you say stuff like that. C'mon..you know and I know it. :yep

Oh, I see... you're assuming this is what I meant, and since I told you I was implying otherwise, this in turn distracts your failed attempt of " telling me off ", right? :lol:

Rahman himself has a leaky defense and shaky whiskers...why didn't Tua starch him with this left hook that would "plaster" Louis?

First off.. Tua did plaster Rahman with it, just because he didn't fall, it doesn't mean his conciousness was there. And we can argue on this subject all night, but the fact is Louis wasn't untouchable. He was often caught with good shots, he was often knocked down, twice knocked out, and IMO if Tua caught him with that left hook it would be lights out.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 07:58 PM

:huh

Lewis plastered Rahman in their rematch. That's what I'd call plaster.

No one ever said Louis was untouchable anyway.

Tua KO2 Louis.

Bad_Intentions

07-10-2007, 08:00 PM

in my opinion. louis will take tua in 4-5 rounds.

louis will be the first one to TKO tua.

McGrain

07-10-2007, 08:05 PM

I can't believe this thread has run to four pages!

I totally ignored it when BI put it up.

Listen - i'm not trying to denegrate Tua. He was a hard puncher.

Joe Louis was a perfect puncher, every punch was close to perfectly executed over a very short disance. If you're talking about Louis' power, stamina, chin etc. you're actually missing the point.

Louis was incredibley accurate and technically near perfect.

Tua likes to move in as he throws.

Need a road map? Here you go.

Louis KO Tua 1.

The easiest fight in the entire history of the heavyweights for Louis, and a new addition to the Bum of the Month club if the fight was taking place in Louis' era.

McGrain

07-10-2007, 08:07 PM

Felix Savon KO 1 Tua

:lol:

This is not even the funniest post in this thread.

RAMPAGE0017

07-10-2007, 08:08 PM

I can't believe this thread has run to four pages!

You can thank me and janitor for that. :lol:

McGrain

07-10-2007, 08:08 PM

You can thank me and janitor for that. :lol:

Yeah, you guys had fun.

I bet he can't sleep for thinking about it.

Bad_Intentions

07-10-2007, 08:25 PM

Felix Savon KO 1 Tua:rofl :rofl

Bad_Intentions

07-10-2007, 08:26 PM

I totally ignored it when BI put it up.you always ignore my threads :|

McGrain

07-10-2007, 08:27 PM

you always ignore my threads :|

That's not true!

I always look in and I post in many of them.

I think it was only me and two other guys who posted in your Langford footage thread (thanks again).

Bad_Intentions

07-10-2007, 08:29 PM

That's not true!

I always look in and I post in many of them.

I think it was only me and two other guys who posted in your Langford footage thread (thanks again).well yea thats true. :good

Jack

07-10-2007, 08:37 PM

Tua had a fantastic chin and one hell of a punch. Baring in mind that Louis' chin was pretty poor for an ATG, what makes people think he would even go for a knockout? A fighter who presses the action against Tua, is not a smart fighter. He has the edge in chin and raw power over many boxers, including Louis.

I have Louis winning easily, but I think the calls for an early KO are way of the mark. I don't even think Louis would try it. He has two options. Try for an early KO against a man with a better chin and more raw power. Or box his ears off all night, with a possibly late referee stoppage.

Let's be serious. Not every good fighter vs. bad fighter match-up ends in round 1-3.

McGrain

07-10-2007, 08:43 PM

Tua had a fantastic chin and one hell of a punch. Baring in mind that Louis' chin was pretty poor for an ATG, what makes people think he would even go for a knockout? A fighter who presses the action against Tua, is not a smart fighter. He has the edge in chin and raw power over many boxers, including Louis.

You make some interesting points {especially in the part I deleted - just wanted you to know I was talking to you} but I think maybe miss the major one. Tua comes in when he punches. He's just there to be hit. Louis could come in with the most timid plan of his entire career and still score an early KO in my view.