*Surely If Winky Beats B-Hop He's P4P No.1, no?*

[Smith]

Its pretty simple in my eyes, i think IF Winky beats B-Hop he should be placed number one in the P4P's. No other fighter would deserve it more, he has a better fighter record than Floyd, & well.....theres a ton of reasons. Its what i think, anyone agree?
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[audio101]

How old is Hopkins again???

[Smith]

That means shit! Going by the Rings rankings and the respect B-Hop gets from true boxing fans, it does not matter. B-Hop has proved he still has it, if not more. Answer the question

[sdsfinest22]

very funny....winky fought to a draw against taylor....he would have needed to beat taylor to do that or have a chance at it at least....if he beats b-hop id still put him at number 3 behind pacman and floyd
Its pretty simple in my eyes, i think IF Winky beats B-Hop he should be placed number one in the P4P's. No other fighter would deserve it more, he has a better fighter record than Floyd, & well.....theres a ton of reasons. Its what i think, anyone agree?
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[Smith]

very funny....winky fought to a draw against taylor....he would have needed to beat taylor to do that or have a chance at it at least....if he beats b-hop id still put him at number 3 behind pacman and floyd


He was the naturally smaller man in that fight and clearly won anyway fool.

[dangerousity]

Yes he will be p4p 1.

[psychopath]

Its pretty simple in my eyes, i think IF Winky beats B-Hop he should be placed number one in the P4P's. No other fighter would deserve it more, he has a better fighter record than Floyd, & well.....theres a ton of reasons. Its what i think, anyone agree?
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Well that's just in your eyes. :lol:

If Winky only fought that rematch with Taylor and got the middle weight title there's should be no arguement at all. But he didn't. :-( Winky right now is just a one divisional champ despite his good competition . . . and Pacquaio is a two divisional champ . . . so if Pacquaio beats Barrera again then Pacquiao deserves it more.

[Bazooka]

No Floyd isnt retired anymore

[Ambition_Def]

No.

If he is then it's a travesty how a safety-first guy can get so much props from beating a one punch at a time 40 year old who only works 6 of 12 rounds.

[Smith]

You guys suck :lol:Ah well, he'll be my no.1

[Relentless]

How old is Hopkins again???

i dont get this.....

if bhop wins he is a great fighter but if he loses he is old?

[psychopath]

i dont get this.....

if bhop wins he is a great fighter but if he loses he is old?

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[China_hand_Joe]

How old is Winky? What is his best weight? Hopkins moves down my ratings if he beats Ronald.

[thesandman]

This fight holds absolute ZERO interest for me. Really couldn't give a shit.

[Smith]

I see what youre saying, i just find Winky superior to Pac in boxing skills, the essence of the P4P. In saying that i have a hard time seperating Winky,pbf & pac in the top 3

[Napoleon]

He definatly will be on mine.

[Smith]

yeah they're my top 3 too.

also, what if hopkins wins (and clearly)? a win over winky and a whoopibf over tarver, he'd be close to regaining his spot wouldn't he?

I wouldnt put B-Hop back to #.1, purely because he's the bigger man, but he would go int mix with the top 3, maybe pushing with Calzaghe & R.Marquez for the top 5's. Depends the way the fight is won, we'll see...:good

[PH|LLA]

hopkins wins this one mate

[deram]

If Dawson beat Tut-ank-Amon surely he would be p4p no.1?

No, in both cases.

[PH|LLA]

If Dawson beat Tut-ank-Amon surely he would be p4p no.1?

No, in both cases.
be honest, how much time did you take to come up with that? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[1lehudson]

funny how it works. Someome says that Winky having a draw with Taylor shoud stop him from being p4p. Yet In his last several fights Pacman has lost and had a draw yet some still think that he is right now p4p. Interesting:huh

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Let the Calzaghe lovers and Taylor haters downplay this match.

If Winky beats Hopkins, he is #1. He is moving FIFTEEN pounds in weight to a division without as much as a tune-up match, for the legitimate light heavyweight world championship, against a Hall of Famer no less in Hopkins. As my name suggests, I'm a Pacquiao fan, but even I can see that Pacquiao would be no greater than #3 if Winky were to win here. (Then again, if Pacquiao can manage to beat Barrera and then Marquez in dominant fashion, then his case for #1 would be reopened. But until that happens, it's Winky's time.)

Winky's last 7 fights: Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey, Hopkins (Mosley was legit 154 champ at time, Taylor legit 160 champ at the time, and Hopkins legit 175 champ now)

Mayweather's last 7 fights: Corley, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya (of the 7 fighters, only Baldomir was a legit champ, which was at 147)

Pacquiao's last 7 fights: 3K Battery, Morales, Velasquez, Morales, Larios, Morales, Solis (0 legit champs, and the first Morales fight was a loss)

[thesandman]

Let the Calzaghe lovers and Taylor haters downplay this match.

If Winky beats Hopkins, he is #1. He is moving FIFTEEN pounds in weight to a division without as much as a tune-up match, for the legitimate light heavyweight world championship, against a Hall of Famer no less in Hopkins.

Well, 10 pounds as it's a catchweight. Against a guy that has had ONE fight at that weight in recent times, and fought at 160 for the majority of his career.

The "legitimate" LHW crown you speak of is nowhere near legit if you ask me. It's been bogusly protected by a few over the hill fighters trading on past glories.


As my name suggests, I'm a Pacquiao fan, but even I can see that Pacquiao would be no greater than #3 if Winky were to win here. (Then again, if Pacquiao can manage to beat Barrera and then Marquez in dominant fashion, then his case for #1 would be reopened. But until that happens, it's Winky's time.)

Winky's last 7 fights: Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey, Hopkins (Mosley was legit 154 champ at time, Taylor legit 160 champ at the time, and Hopkins legit 175 champ now)

Mayweather's last 7 fights: Corley, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya (of the 7 fighters, only Baldomir was a legit champ, which was at 147)

Pacquiao's last 7 fights: 3K Battery, Morales, Velasquez, Morales, Larios, Morales, Solis (0 legit champs, and the first Morales fight was a loss)

I'm not doubting Wrights recent history. I am saying this fight doesn't add alot to it. If I wanted to be cruel, I'd say it's a fight between 2 guys who moved up in weight because they can't beat Jermain Taylor.

[carras]

If he wins, he should be #1

[BewareofDawg]

No.

If he is then it's a travesty how a safety-first guy can get so much props from beating a one punch at a time 40 year old who only works 6 of 12 rounds.
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Keep riding that horse there jackass :good So being Safety-first now takes away from your P4P skills? :lol:

Oh, how convenient for the little Margarita nuthuggers like yourself, by establishing a premise for a No Defense, careless Brawler to hopefully one day get scrape his way into the top 15 :rofl :hi:

[BewareofDawg]

How old is Winky? What is his best weight? Hopkins moves down my ratings if he beats Ronald.
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That's classic! So Hopkins is actually going to move down in your rankings given he wins????? :lol:

[brooklyn1550]

If Wright beats Hopkins, I'll put him number 2
If Hopkins beats Wright, I'll put him number 2

I'm not a fan of Floyd, but he is a titleholder in 5 weight classes. He hasn't lost and has beaten De La Hoya, Castillo x 2, Corrales, Hernandez, Gatti, Judah, and Chavez.

[lillarry]

If he wins I will have him at 2

[Flatlander]

No

[thesandman]

yer a loon.

hopkins chooses who he wants to fight and he knows the man with respect at the higher weights is winky. beating winky will cement his legacy in his eyes.

I am a lunatic because the man at the higher weights is Winky?

A man that hasn't won a title at 160. And has never fought at 168 or 175.

Didn't really think that one through did you?

That's pretty disparaging towards a hell of a lot of middleweights, super middleweights, and light heavyweights.

I would suggest Hopkins chose Wright because he can't punch for shit, but is a truly excellent boxer AT 154. and very good at 160.

[thesandman]

Who gives a fuck about belts i mean the boxing fans know that winky is top 3 p4p. B Hop wants to fight winky its his choice he's coming out of retirement. I don't have a problem with that because he's the executioner.

winky is no push over pal. he will cary his skills up to lhw because he doesn't rely too much on his agillity now that he's older.

and how can you say winky is scared of taylor when he already fought, and clearly outlanded him?

Where did I say Winky was scared of Taylor? :huh

How do you know Winky will carry his skills up to LHW? I'd like to see him fight a real LHW and prove it. Or even a real SMW for a start.

I don't think Winky is a pushover. And I think this would be a good fight at middleweight. It's just a cheek to call it anything else above a middleweight fight. The catchweight is just a gentlemans agreement to nut have to dry out to make weight IMO.

[Lostmykeys]

We will know the value of a Wright win in the first round of the fight.

If Hopkins looks like he has no legs or has deteriorated then Winky should not get full credit for the win.

[brooklyn1550]

hopkins will look good

You think he'll win?

[deram]

who cares about the catch weight. i wanna two of boxing's best talents fight eachother, just to see who wins. i'd rather see winky fight b-hop then shut out say a vernon forrest or a de la hoya.

I want to see boxing's two best fighters fight eachother too. Which is why a small winky vs an old (really old!) Hopkins doesn't sound very interesting. The same with Pac vs old and worn Barrera. Move on move on... This is like praising an old boys match between Germany and Brasil where they would put Cesar, Zico, Rumenigge etc. on the field. Good names, but really... mostly names.

Don't get me wrong. The fight does make sense for both of them in a risk/reward sense - but that doesn't mean the fans shouldn't aspire to get some real fights on. Hopkins and Winky should get it over with and take on Dawson and Erdei if they want to stay at LHW. If they did that - THEN there would be somethoing on the line! because Dawson IS NOT a good risk/reward scenario for either, BUT that is exactly what makes it interesting. Pac should stop doing the same boring thing with Barrera and Morales forever and ever. Apparently it matters little who wins or looses becasue they just make a rematch for ever. Good risk/reward for Pac, but frankly getting boring for the fans. Take on a redhot Valero who is waiting for some action. Bad risk/reward for Pac maybe, but great reward for the fans. Finally something on the line.

Move on, give us good fights.

[Alo2006]

Nope.

[Smith]

hopkins wins winky is VERY OVERRATED he only just beat soliman which was a disputed fight

Get the fuck out of here noob

[*BOX_FAN*]

If Winky wins then he is my #1 P4P :yep

[China_hand_Joe]

You can only make a case for Winky being top 3, resume wise. He sure as hell is not one of the top 3 P4P best fighters in the world right now.

[KO Boxing]

If Floyd doesn't retire - no, he'll be no. 2.

If Floyd retires - very good chance and a good argument can be made.

Of course this all depends on Winky BEATING Hopkins

[Sonny Carson]

I'm tired of people saying Winky beat Taylor. He blew the fight by doing a "De La Hoya" in the 11th and 12th rounds. Neither one of them did enough to win and him not fighting Taylor again makes him look bad.

[SugarShane_24]

Winky has fought only four times in more or less two years, quartey, soliman and taylor fights were all unimpressive. sure you could make a case for him winning against taylor, but he didn't. and beating hopkins already makes him #1?

compare that to pac's resume on the same span. morales 2x, larios, and two solid contenders in jorge solis and hector velasquez.

[InHumanForm]

Let the Calzaghe lovers and Taylor haters downplay this match.

If Winky beats Hopkins, he is #1. He is moving FIFTEEN pounds in weight to a division without as much as a tune-up match, for the legitimate light heavyweight world championship, against a Hall of Famer no less in Hopkins. As my name suggests, I'm a Pacquiao fan, but even I can see that Pacquiao would be no greater than #3 if Winky were to win here. (Then again, if Pacquiao can manage to beat Barrera and then Marquez in dominant fashion, then his case for #1 would be reopened. But until that happens, it's Winky's time.)

Winky's last 7 fights: Mosley, Mosley, Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey, Hopkins (Mosley was legit 154 champ at time, Taylor legit 160 champ at the time, and Hopkins legit 175 champ now)

Mayweather's last 7 fights: Corley, Bruseles, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya (of the 7 fighters, only Baldomir was a legit champ, which was at 147)

Pacquiao's last 7 fights: 3K Battery, Morales, Velasquez, Morales, Larios, Morales, Solis (0 legit champs, and the first Morales fight was a loss)

this pretty much sums it up. He will be #1 provided he beats Hopkins convincingly. He would have the resume, the skill, and should have the p$p title. And Hopkins age has nothing to do with anything. In terms of boxing age, I would say that Hopkins is much younger than the shop worn Barrera who some here are already dying see KO'ed (which he will be) so Pac can have the spot. Winky FTW.

[audio101]

He was the naturally smaller man in that fight and clearly won anyway fool.

:nut

[audio101]

Boxing fans are in denial, trying to believe that Winky fighting Hopkins at 41 means something. Believe it or not boxers are just like every other athlete and they actually get old. What pisses me off is that when Hopkins/Jones were supposed to fight last yr everyone was going crazy saying is wouldn't mean anything at all but now of a sudden Hopkins/Winky is more meaningful? Go figure...

[pryorgatti]

Yeah, Winky will have to be numero uno.