View Full Version : Why Larry Holmes Was A Champion Boxer, Not A Propehet
Club Fighter
07-10-2007, 07:44 PM
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The following lackluster chumps proved Larry wrong:
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SMH @ Shannon Briggs. :-(
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Lacyace
07-10-2007, 07:50 PM
Proved Larry Holmes wrong how?
Holmes was a great boxer but didn't have a worldly education.
He never considered the other side of the world.
Rollo
07-10-2007, 07:53 PM
:huh
Relentless
07-10-2007, 07:54 PM
all those guys are black....
RAMPAGE0017
07-10-2007, 07:55 PM
I think what the poster is trying to say is that all of these fighters have taken so many beat-downs that they now pronounce the word " technical " as " techno "? :huh
brick city
07-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Larry was a beast in the ring. To some he did'nt seem smart but the man invested his money well and that's smart enough.
brick city
07-10-2007, 08:04 PM
all whites are smart?
Larry said to the effect (I've seen him say this on many different occasions including the Phil Donahue Show) blacks are superior boxers and will always dominant the Heavyweight Divison.
I guess he didn't count on the Russian invasion.
Larry Holmes is a bitter Bigot.
Mr "T"
07-10-2007, 08:19 PM
Holmes was a great boxer but didn't have a worldly education.
He never considered the other side of the world.
He couldn't spell "Prophet", but that was always a tough one for me, too.
Rollo
07-10-2007, 08:19 PM
Larry was a beast in the ring. To some he did'nt seem smart but the man invested his money well and that's smart enough.
There are multiple intelligences and if ring-intelligence is one of them then Larry certainly had it!
Fighting Weight
07-10-2007, 08:21 PM
Yeah Larry Holmes couldn't see 20+ years into the future so lets mock him shall we :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut
What he said about black fighters at the time was TRUE, like it or not. At the moment it isn't, but he was right at the time. Get a grip people....
GazOC
07-10-2007, 08:29 PM
Yeah Larry Holmes couldn't see 20+ years into the future so lets mock him shall we :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut
What he said about black fighters at the time was TRUE, like it or not. At the moment it isn't, but he was right at the time. Get a grip people....
I agree, unless you predicted the fall of the Iron Curtain (the CIA failed) then it seemed a good assumption.
Butch Coolidge
07-10-2007, 08:47 PM
Larry was right in that Marciano wasn't as good as he was but at the same time, Larry isn't nearly as great as he thinks he was and a lot of boxing fans think he was too. If you care to dig through some old boxing magazines what was generally written about Larry and his peers is the same shit that is being written about today's heavyweights. "Division devoid of talent". Larry educated the likes of Mike Katz, Max Kellerman, Don Omega and The Iron Truth, " If he's white, he can't fight". That theory is starting to look a little bit flawed these days.
The thing about living in today's information age is that one can't get by with that kind of shit without somebody calling them on it.
Club Fighter
07-10-2007, 08:51 PM
I see that some of you guys were apparently unable to make sense of this thread. I didn't post the White champions because I don't view it as them winning the belt (at least not until Vitali gets a belt), I view it as the pictured guys losing it.
P.S. Congrats, T. Stout, on being able to make the connection. You are among the minority.
Butch Coolidge
07-10-2007, 08:54 PM
Sam Peter and Calvin Brock were never champions.
MrStayman
07-10-2007, 08:59 PM
Yeah Larry Holmes couldn't see 20+ years into the future so lets mock him shall we :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut :nut
What he said about black fighters at the time was TRUE, like it or not. At the moment it isn't, but he was right at the time. Get a grip people....
He said that there will never be a white heavyweight champion. Call me crazy, but what he said never was true and never will be.
Club Fighter
07-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Larry was right in that Marciano wasn't as good as he was but at the same time, Larry isn't nearly as great as he thinks he was and a lot of boxing fans think he was too. If you care to dig through some old boxing magazines what was generally written about Larry and his peers is the same shit that is being written about today's heavyweights. "Division devoid of talent". Larry educated the likes of Mike Katz, Max Kellerman, Don Omega and The Iron Truth, " If he's white, he can't fight". That theory is starting to look a little bit flawed these days.
The thing about living in today's information age is that one can't get by with that kind of shit without somebody calling them on it.
Actually, Larry was as good as he believed he was. His in-the-ring smarts far exceeded those of many so-called greats including Muhammad Ali. In his prime, Larry may well have beaten any heavyweight ever (in their prime) without devastating knockout power. His ring generalship was virtually unparallelled and therein lay the key to his success.
Club Fighter
07-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Sam Peter and Calvin Brock were never champions.
I know, but they both fought White guys for the championship and lost. I doubt that Larry could have ever conceived that. Plus they're supposed to be among the best of the heavyweights.
Rollo
07-10-2007, 09:08 PM
Holmes is the most underrated HW champ of all time - there´s no way he can be lower then 3 on my ATG list!
boxingcar
07-10-2007, 09:16 PM
I know, but they both fought White guys for the championship and lost. I doubt that Larry could have ever conceived that. Plus they're supposed to be among the best of the heavyweights.
No , they weren't just white guys...
Rollo
07-10-2007, 09:30 PM
top 10 definately, top 5 probably
but the top 3:
ali, louis, marciano
easy
Marciano No. 3! That explains everything.........:-(
Irish Steel
07-10-2007, 09:37 PM
what the hell happened to the guy second to last??!! Its hideous! IT looks like a 10 pound tumor!
Rollo
07-10-2007, 09:47 PM
lol, hater
the rock was never beaten
*i actually have him at #2 :tong
Rocky beat one(ONE) legitimate contender namely Roland LaStarza add to that a bunch of former and washed up champions. It is clear the guy was never beaten!
what the hell happened to the guy second to last??!! Its hideous! IT looks like a 10 pound tumor!
it's rahman, he always looks like that:)
PolishPummler
07-10-2007, 10:24 PM
Larry was right in that Marciano wasn't as good as he was but at the same time, Larry isn't nearly as great as he thinks he was and a lot of boxing fans think he was too. If you care to dig through some old boxing magazines what was generally written about Larry and his peers is the same shit that is being written about today's heavyweights. "Division devoid of talent". Larry educated the likes of Mike Katz, Max Kellerman, Don Omega and The Iron Truth, " If he's white, he can't fight". That theory is starting to look a little bit flawed these days.
The thing about living in today's information age is that one can't get by with that kind of shit without somebody calling them on it.
:thumbsup
Stezzie
07-10-2007, 11:32 PM
I know, but they both fought White guys for the championship and lost. I doubt that Larry could have ever conceived that. Plus they're supposed to be among the best of the heavyweights.
There is one part that I think you are missing...Larry also said "as long as Black fighter are fighting like they are...there will never..." So you can't ignore a condition on the statement he presented. Besides he lived in an era that was more racially charged than today so it makes no sense to discuss things that are brought out of context like that interview. Today is a new day and a new age so technically the comparison isn't there to make. If you really want to be techno about the whole situation...:deal
Heavyrighthand
07-10-2007, 11:50 PM
There is one part that I think you are missing...Larry also said "as long as Black fighter are fighting like they are...there will never..." So you can't ignore a condition on the statement he presented. ...:deal
Maybe the black fighters of today are fighting as they were then ( the era Holmes dominated in was nothing spectacular, either), its just that now, the Europeans have finally gotten the chance to prove their dominance, where they never had the chance back in the era Holmes was in.........?
You can also look at it like that, as well. :good
ravtrav
07-10-2007, 11:56 PM
it's rahman, he always looks like that:):lol: :lol: :-( :rofl :rofl
PolishPummler
07-11-2007, 12:43 AM
Cooney gave Holmes one of his toughest fights in his prime.Holmes also fought in weak era.
I love Holmes' style.
Stezzie
07-11-2007, 01:16 AM
Maybe the black fighters of today are fighting as they were then ( the era Holmes dominated in was nothing spectacular, either), its just that now, the Europeans have finally gotten the chance to prove their dominance, where they never had the chance back in the era Holmes was in.........?
You can also look at it like that, as well. :good
Absolutely...:good Only time will tell that doesnt tell you anything because things always change...Europeons may rule for an era and then Cubans make a run at it then people will say they never had a chance... It does seem that everyone who is denied a chance comes in a rules for quite some time. Black fighters were basically denied the opportunity until Joe Louis then made a run at it from Joe through Lewis. I dont think is really a matter of race that people make it out to be. Or nationality...
chrisroxthem
07-11-2007, 01:46 AM
larry holmes = second best heavyweight of all time right under rocky marciano
Butch Coolidge
07-13-2007, 11:16 PM
The modern era of professional boxing is the most globalized it has ever been. Holmes and the rest of "historical greats" were protected from true global competition. So the closest thing to a true "world champion" is actually contemporary fighters.
Thread Stealer
07-13-2007, 11:21 PM
Larry Holmes was an excellent champion, but I don't like him.
I enjoy watching the Tyson fight, his 7th round against Shavers, the KD against Snipes, Weaver giving him hell, Terrible Tim going even with him, and the legendary Spinks beating him the first time (rematch was a robbery).
Thread Stealer
07-13-2007, 11:39 PM
Cooney gave Holmes one of his toughest fights in his prime.Holmes also fought in weak era.
Yeah, Cooney was competitive, and hurt Holmes to the body (and the nutsack). Given the way people talk about Cooney, I was surprised by watching the fight how well he performed.
I think Norton and Weaver gave Holmes the toughest fights in Holmes's prime. At least throughout the course of the fight. Snipes and Shavers (rematch) had Holmes in serious trouble, but Weaver and Norton had success throughout the fight instead of a round or 2.
Butch Coolidge
07-13-2007, 11:45 PM
I thought Carl Williams beat Holmes.
Thread Stealer
07-14-2007, 12:22 AM
I thought Carl Williams beat Holmes.
I didn't count the Williams or Witherspoon fights, he was aging and on the decline by then.
I had Witherspoon ahead 115-114.
Cruiser1
07-14-2007, 12:27 AM
The modern era of professional boxing is the most globalized it has ever been. Holmes and the rest of "historical greats" were protected from true global competition. So the closest thing to a true "world champion" is actually contemporary fighters.
Correct but Holmes and the others were not responsible for other countries allowing their amateurs to turn pro. You fight who's there to be fought at the time.
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