Chad Dawson v.s Joe Calzaghe

[Bad_Intentions]

if calzaghe decides to move to light heavyweight, and a match against dawson comes.

who would take this?

[Rollo]

You´re still forgetting that he´ll have to get past Kessler ind order to fight Dawson - and he won´t!

[Smith]

Chad maybe? Only because he's younger and sharper(not superior in boxing skills), and by the time Calzaghe beats Kessler your looking at another 6 months before he fights anyone else, may be a bit to long

[Bad_Intentions]

You´re still forgetting that he´ll have to get past Kessler ind order to fight Dawson - and he won´t!o yea i forgot him. maybe calzaghe will pick up a decision over kessler.:yep

or he can just move up and forget about kessler.

[Rollo]

o yea i forgot him. maybe calzaghe will pick up a decision over kessler.:yep

or he can just move up and forget about kessler.

If he forgets Kessler and then looses against Dawson(which he most probably will) then he´ll really have ruined his legacy!

[andyZOR]

Im thinking Chad would win UD.

[kg0208]

I don't think Calzaghe can beat Dawson.

[Imperial1]

I would pick Calzaghe in this one I always favor experience ..

[PH|LLA]

Dawson is good but overrated. Calzaghe takes this one

[flem1]

Dawson by UD

[MSTR]

Chad Dawson. Too slick, too powerful and too big for the natural SMW JC. Dawson will use angles and speed to box JC from the outside to a UD.

[crashzzz]

Dawson will get TKOed by Diaconu.... so a calzaghe-dawson fight won't happen...

[PH|LLA]

Diaconu can send him to the first seat range.
sérieux j'aimerais ça mais ça m'étonnerait

Dawson TKO rounds 7-10

[teetop]

Dawson would win a UD. He's faster, hits harder and is the more skilled fighter.

No he isn't faster, and nobody in or around 168, 175 is more skilled than
calzaghe. You're obviously biased. Or racist.

[markbrooklyn]

Chad maybe? Only because he's younger and sharper(not superior in boxing skills), and by the time Calzaghe beats Kessler your looking at another 6 months before he fights anyone else, may be a bit to long

Not superior in boxing skills? How so?? What does Calzaghe do better then Dawson in terms of Boxing skills???

[markbrooklyn]

Dawson will get TKOed by Diaconu.... so a calzaghe-dawson fight won't happen...

We'll see ab out that.. Diaconu is a club fighter with a little power.. nothing more

[markbrooklyn]

No he isn't faster, and nobody in or around 168, 175 is more skilled than
calzaghe. You're obviously biased. Or racist.

He's not faster?? LOL.. And what skills does Calzaghe possess over Dawson please tell me that? :huh

[Axe]

Dawson would have a great shot at beating Calzaghe, he's comfortable facing other southpaws and is at this stage a little faster than Joe, and significantly taller.

[kg0208]

No he isn't faster, and nobody in or around 168, 175 is more skilled than
calzaghe. You're obviously biased. Or racist.

Racist?

[Amsterdam]

Racist?

I like Keyra's ass.:nod

[Amsterdam]

Dawson would have a great shot at beating Calzaghe, he's comfortable facing other southpaws and is at this stage a little faster than Joe, and significantly taller.

I call this fight something like 60-40 for Joe, but of course, Calzaghe's my current favourite fighter. Dawson's also in my top 5, I think it goes to the cards but I just feel that Dawson can be swarmed and bullied.

Though... Joe popping in and out after flurries leaves him open for a Dawson counter everytime, they may or not come depending on how tentative he becomes against a guy who will swarm him and can match him for speed.

Joe's footspeed is superior, but not handspeed, the footspeed counts for a whole lot in this affair.

I'll say Calzaghe UD 115-112, a flash KD at somepoint in catching Dawson awkward like Adamek did.

[Axe]

I call this fight something like 60-40 for Joe, but of course, Calzaghe's my current favourite fighter. Dawson's also in my top 5, I think it goes to the cards but I just feel that Dawson can be swarmed and bullied.

Though... Joe popping in and out after flurries leaves him open for a Dawson counter everytime, they may or not come depending on how tentative he becomes against a guy who will swarm him and can match him for speed.

Joe's footspeed is superior, but not handspeed, the footspeed counts for a whole lot in this affair.

I'll say Calzaghe UD 115-112, a flash KD at somepoint in catching Dawson awkward like Adamek did.

Don't think Calzaghe can put Dawson down, but he could very well win on points. This would be a very competetive bout, which Dawson would win, imo.

[Amsterdam]

Don't think Calzaghe can put Dawson down, but he could very well win on points. This would be a very competetive bout, which Dawson would win, imo.

If Adamek and Harding can get a "flash" KD, then so can Calzaghe, I just leave it open as a possibility because he will be landing on Dawson, as shoulder roll western styles defences are vulnerable to those awkward shots.

Dawson decision win? I can certainly live with that.

Prime Calzaghe, before the hand problems, beats Dawson by stoppage however.

[brooklyn1550]

Right now? I'll go with Dawson by close decision

[kg0208]

If Adamek and Harding can get a "flash" KD, then so can Calzaghe, I just leave it open as a possibility because he will be landing on Dawson, as shoulder roll western styles defences are vulnerable to those awkward shots.

Dawson decision win? I can certainly live with that.

Prime Calzaghe, before the hand problems, beats Dawson by stoppage however.

Perhaps....but this isn't Prime Dawson yet either.

[Amsterdam]

Perhaps....but this isn't Prime Dawson yet either.

It's pretty damn close, just ask Axe. He won't agree with me on the prime Calzaghe thing because Dawson is his guy, but he will confirm that this version of Dawson is near to where it's going to be.

The guy's great as is. Great win for my man Joe if it happens.:good

[Amsterdam]

Right now? I'll go with Dawson by close decision

Prime? Circa 2000-2003 Calzaghe?

[kg0208]

It's pretty damn close, just ask Axe. He won't agree with me on the prime Calzaghe thing because Dawson is his guy, but he will confirm that this version of Dawson is near to where it's going to be.

The guy's great as is. Great win for my man Joe if it happens.:good

I don't think it is, and Dawson is on my radar P4P. I think he will learn to put his punches together better. I think he will learn to fight on the inside better as well. He is close yes, but I still see him improving. I don't think he has peaked.

[Axe]

If Adamek and Harding can get a "flash" KD, then so can Calzaghe, I just leave it open as a possibility because he will be landing on Dawson, as shoulder roll western styles defences are vulnerable to those awkward shots.

Dawson decision win? I can certainly live with that.

Prime Calzaghe, before the hand problems, beats Dawson by stoppage however.

Yes Harding managed to get a flash KD, and fair enough, Joe could potentially land a stiff jab while Chad is off balance and make him touch down as well.

I'm saying I don't think he can put him on the seat of his pants and really buzz him like Adamek did. Dawson's chin is pretty decent imo, and Joe does not really possess one shot KO power (and definitely won't at 175).

And yea, Dawson has been a pro for 6 years and has trained under some of the world's greatest trainers, he's turning 25 soon and imo is about to enter his prime.

[Amsterdam]

I don't think it is, and Dawson is on my radar P4P. I think he will learn to put his punches together better. I think he will learn to fight on the inside better as well. He is close yes, but I still see him improving. I don't think he has peaked.

Peak Roy sparks this guy early though, he's open for a counter right hand.:yep

Peak Roy lights up my guy about round 10 also prime/prime after a great scrap.

[pecks]

Very interesting fight.
I'd favour Dawson though. Though if Calzaghe dictates the pace, it'll be a toughie. I still think Dawson would pass the test though, and come away a better fighter after it.

[Axe]

Peak Roy sparks this guy early though, he's open for a counter right hand.:yep

Peak Roy lights up my guy about round 10 also prime/prime after a great scrap.

That's not a big deal though. Peak Roy can't be touched, can't be stopped, can't be moved, can't be rocked... :deal

[Amsterdam]

That's not a big deal though. Peak Roy can't be touched, can't be stopped, can't be moved, can't be rocked... :deal

:lol:

That song works for boxing...

[Amsterdam]

Very interesting fight.
I'd favour Dawson though. Though if Calzaghe dictates the pace, it'll be a toughie. I still think Dawson would pass the test though, and come away a better fighter after it.

You don't pick Calzaghe in any competitive fight.:-(

[pecks]

You don't pick Calzaghe in any competitive fight.:-(:D
Not true. I picked him against Bika, and that turned out to be a little competetive.

I do rate Calzaghe, you know that. I just think Dawson will be something sepcial. But I have to stress that I hope he doesn't rush into something too big before he has time to mature at this level.

[Amsterdam]

:D
Not true. I picked him against Bika, and that turned out to be a little competetive.

I do rate Calzaghe, you know that. I just think Dawson will be something sepcial. But I have to stress that I hope he doesn't rush into something too big before he has time to mature at this level.

Calzaghe was a 10/1 favourite over Bika. Did you pick Lacy over him?:hey

[kg0208]

Peak Roy sparks this guy early though, he's open for a counter right hand.:yep

Peak Roy lights up my guy about round 10 also prime/prime after a great scrap.

Lol...well I would agree with that. He seems to have some of Jones skill set, but not the level. However, I will reserve judgement...you never know.

[Amsterdam]

Lol...well I would agree with that. He seems to have some of Jones skill set, but not the level. However, I will reserve judgement...you never know.

Nah, Jones would have blasted Adamek the fuck out of there in 6 when he was green as all get out.:yep

For arguments sake, green Calzaghe of the Eubank fight blasts Adamek out of there a bit later, but it would be a brutal raping.

[pecks]

Calzaghe was a 10/1 favourite over Bika. Did you pick Lacy over him?:heyYes.
I was actually one of the guys who were critical of the Lacy nuthuggers (when they were around). I thought Robin reid would give him a tough fight, and it wasn't until he Ko'd Pemberton in 2 that I started to doubt my own judgement.
Silly me.
Though I also tipped him because I was hoping he'd win, as Lacy seems to be more willing to fight the best, and it doesn't bother him if he has to travel for it.
Put it simply, he'd have been a better champion than Calzaghe, in the essence of going after the bigger and better fights. You'd have to agree with that.

Although I'd tip against joe in the Kessler, and Dawson fights, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he won both of them with some comfort.

[Axe]

Nah, Jones would have blasted Adamek the fuck out of there in 6 when he was green as all get out.:yep

For arguments sake, green Calzaghe of the Eubank fight blasts Adamek out of there a bit later, but it would be a brutal raping.

Jones isn't known for blasting people out there.

I doubt either Calzaghe or prime Jones would KO Adamek...late TKO for Roy, possibly, but guys like David Telesco and Lou Del Valle went twelve with Roy without even hitting the deck. Supreme skill, even when combined with speed, does not equal power.

[Amsterdam]

Yes.
I was actually one of the guys who were critical of the Lacy nuthuggers (when they were around). I thought Robin reid would give him a tough fight, and it wasn't until he Ko'd Pemberton in 2 that I started to doubt my own judgement.
Silly me.
Though I also tipped him because I was hoping he'd win, as Lacy seems to be more willing to fight the best, and it doesn't bother him if he has to travel for it.
Put it simply, he'd have been a better champion than Calzaghe, in the essence of going after the bigger and better fights. You'd have to agree with that.

Although I'd tip against joe in the Kessler, and Dawson fights, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he won both of them with some comfort.

Kind of helps being a marketable American pressure fighter that's built like a killing machine, but with stylistic flaws that make you very beatable in the eyes of other fighters... kind of helps in securing bigger names who want money for less risk...

Than a Welsh physical phenom who gives any fighter in the divisions history a thrashing or a tough as hell fight, but whom is widely considered a euro fraud for most of the 2000's and is widely considered an extreme danger for little money to the big American names and an outright "can't win" fight for true Euro frauds like Ottke.

You see how much of a bitch it was to get Palle to agree, couple that by 4-5 times on getting an American name and promoter to agree on a Calzaghe fight pre-Lacy and pre-universal respect by fans and thereby popularity and desire to see the guy fight by the viewing public, which generates MONEY for the risk...

But let's blame Joe, a simple guy from Wales who's been mismanaged by a germ and not embraced by an English majority of boxing fans in the UK.:yep :good

It finally comes around for him in the end and he will blast Kessler in a career defining performance, sealing his ATG rating and forever making doubters look like utter fools.

This is the story of Joe Calzaghe's career from the point of view of a longtime fan.:hey

[kg0208]

Jones isn't known for blasting people out there.

I doubt either Calzaghe or prime Jones would KO Adamek...late TKO for Roy, possibly, but guys like David Telesco and Lou Del Valle went twelve with Roy without even hitting the deck. Supreme skill, even when combined with speed, does not equal power.

Well, this is LHW, and to be sure not Jones prime weight. He was known for blasting people though at 160 and 168. I actually think he could have blasted people at 175 more than he did, but that Benn-McClellan fight caused a noticable change in his demeanor in ring.

[Axe]

Well, this is LHW, and to be sure not Jones prime weight. He was known for blasting people though at 160 and 168. I actually think he could have blasted people at 175 more than he did, but that Benn-McClellan fight caused a noticable change in his demeanor in ring.

Jones in his prime weight did have considerable pop.

I was referring to 175 lbs however as that was Adamek's prime weightclass.

[pecks]

Kind of helps being a marketable American pressure fighter that's built like a killing machine, but with stylistic flaws that make you very beatable in the eyes of other fighters... kind of helps in securing bigger names who want money for less risk...

Than a Welsh physical phenom who gives any fighter in the divisions history a thrashing or a tough as hell fight, but whom is widely considered a euro fraud for most of the 2000's and is widely considered an extreme danger for little money to the big American names and an outright "can't win" fight for true Euro frauds like Ottke.

You see how much of a bitch it was to get Palle to agree, couple that by 4-5 times on getting an American name and promoter to agree on a Calzaghe fight pre-Lacy and pre-universal respect by fans and thereby popularity and desire to see the guy fight by the viewing public, which generates MONEY for the risk...

But let's blame Joe, a simple guy from Wales who's been mismanaged by a germ and not embraced by an English majority of boxing fans in the UK.:yep :good

It finally comes around for him in the end and he will blast Kessler in a career defining performance, sealing his ATG rating and forever making doubters look like utter fools.

This is the story of Joe Calzaghe's career from the point of view of a longtime fan.:hey
Well, I believe it's more ******'s fault, but Joe has had plenty of time to leave him, and hasn't, so he must be held accountable to a fair extent.

If he beats Kessler (he very well could) my opinion of him won't change that greatly. I already know he's a champion boxer. He will still be close to that when he loses (assuming it's a fairly respectable loss). My opinion will probably change of Kessler though. It all depends on what questions get answered.

[Amsterdam]

Well, I believe it's more ******'s fault, but Joe has had plenty of time to leave him, and hasn't, so he must be held accountable to a fair extent.

The pussy big names who didn't want to take a challenge because of money issue's are any better though?

This is the problem with modern boxing as a whole, Joe gets the stick as a special case because he's a European with an uncharismatic personality, which goes into something else...

Joe's a great fighter, but he's not a great intellect, he's just a simple guy from Wales with a phenomina talent and skill level, this is how a guy like ****** can forever call the shots when the bills are being paid for the rest of your life and you have little to no other abilities.

If he beats Kessler (he very well could) my opinion of him won't change that greatly. I already know he's a champion boxer. He will still be close to that when he loses (assuming it's a fairly respectable loss).

Supernatural Joe losing?:patsch


My opinion will probably change of Kessler though. It all depends on what questions get answered.


As will most who tout him, though I already know what Kessler is.. the 3rd best guy from the MW-LHW region.

[pecks]

My opinion of Kessler wont change drastically (like everyones opinion of Lacy did) it will more than likely answer a few questions that have yet to be asked eg. fighting on the inside, chin, maybe a few more.

I rate Kessler highly, and think he is better than Calzaghe. If he loses, my opinion of him will change to a fighter not as good as Calzaghe. Quite simple really. :)

[Amsterdam]

My opinion of Kessler wont change drastically (like everyones opinion of Lacy did) it will more than likely answer a few questions that have yet to be asked eg. fighting on the inside, chin, maybe a few more.

I rate Kessler highly, and think he is better than Calzaghe. If he loses, my opinion of him will change to a fighter not as good as Calzaghe. Quite simple really. :)

No issue, you just need to watch more boxing my friend, this is evident right now.:lol:

I know it's hard in Australia, but I am going to provide links to where you can watch some of the big fights online next time we talk on MSN.:good

[pecks]

No issue, you just need to watch more boxing my friend, this is evident right now.:lol:

I know it's hard in Australia, but I am going to provide links to where you can watch some of the big fights online next time we talk on MSN.:goodHeh. I want to watch more, but my opinion of jC/MK is final, and i've seen a fair bit of both guys. I think I know what I'm doing on this one. Hopefully you wont be betting on this one mate. :good

My msn has been a bit wonky these days, I don't know whats up.
I probably have the torrent sites you're referring to. Ones tc and the other one's wb archive or something.

[Amsterdam]

Heh. I want to watch more, but my opinion of jC/MK is final, and i've seen a fair bit of both guys. I think I know what I'm doing on this one. Hopefully you wont be betting on this one mate. :good

My msn has been a bit wonky these days, I don't know whats up.
I probably have the torrent sites you're referring to. Ones tc and the other one's wb archive or something.

A couple grand gets dropped on Joe for this one.:good

[Jambon]

People are strange here, easy fight for Calzague. The weirdest thing is how many people that thinks Dawson is faster, how do you guys figure that out? Because of the Adamek fight?

[Brickhaus]

People can make all the excuses about poor management that they want, but fact is that Joe still hasn't had a serious fight more than driving distance (about 150 miles) from his hometown. Plenty more fights can be made if you're willing to leave your hometown, and while Joe and Frank always talk big, they've never put up when it's time to head anywhere else. And please don't tell me that Mario Veit (who he already destroyed), Will McIntyre (bum with a padded record) and Kabery Salem (who had already been dominated by journeymen) were serious opponents. Making this fight still doesn't change that. To earn my full respect, he WILL need to go to an opponent's home turf at some point, or at least to a neutral location. Hopefully if he wins the money will be right to go to Vegas and fight the Hopkins/Wright winner.

[Brickhaus]

A couple grand gets dropped on Joe for this one.:good

The last time Amsterdam was this convinced, it was that Popo would beat Baby Bull :good