Forrest vs Baldomir for the WBC title

[PH|LLA]

what a fucking joke

[Stinky gloves]

DLH - PBF that was a joke.

[PH|LLA]

DLH - PBF that was a joke.
yea but this is worse, WBC has 0 legitimacy at LMW

[MSTR]

It will be an interesting fight though. The loser pretty much bows out of championship contention for a long while, with the winner getting a shot at some potentially big match ups. This is a crossroads fight for both guys.

[Toney]

It will be an interesting fight though. The loser pretty much bows out of championship contention for a long while, with the winner getting a shot at some potentially big match ups. This is a crossroads fight for both guys.

Yeah, it is a grat match-up, althought it wont be a good fight. Very interesting mach-up. When I think about it I think that Forrest should win. Baldomir´s best advantages was size and strength. But at light middleweight he has not those advantages. But somehow I have a feeling that Baldomir will come out very strong at the end of the fight. I am actually picking Baldomir to win by a close decision or a late stoppege.

[PH|LLA]

im not saying the fight won't be competitive but seriously Baldomir is a rugged journeyman and Forrest is old and past it. They are fighting for a title when in fact this fight is an average undercard fight at best. Not enough skill in the ring for a titlefight.

[H .]

They should've just given the title back to De La Hoya. At least that's what they did for John Ruiz after Roy Jones Jr beat him and then went back down to light heavyweight.

[BeReal]

I actually hope Baldomir wins this fight, it will be a little poetic justice after the gift Forrest was given over Ike Quartey. I don't actually care personally, it is a complete joke that the winner of this fight will have a "championship" :tired

[PH|LLA]

I'm just bumping this thread that I started before Forrest vs Baldomir so we can put trash like "Forrest vs Pavlik" into perspective.

[bestdefense117]

DLH was Forrests mandatory but DLH knows that thats a tough fight with too small a payoff. Forrests has no other options but Baldomir. Forrest made Baldomir look so stuipid last fight swinging and missing and chasing Vernon, Baldomir was so frusterated and this fight will be the same. Vernon Forrest is better than people give him credit for.

[bxrfan]

DLH was Forrests mandatory but DLH knows that thats a tough fight with too small a payoff. Forrests has no other options but Baldomir. Forrest made Baldomir look so stuipid last fight swinging and missing and chasing Vernon, Baldomir was so frusterated and this fight will be the same. Vernon Forrest is better than people give him credit for.
You seem to be talking about them fighting again. If you are, I suggest looking at when this topic was created.

[Amsterdam]

im not saying the fight won't be competitive but seriously Baldomir is a rugged journeyman and Forrest is old and past it. They are fighting for a title when in fact this fight is an average undercard fight at best. Not enough skill in the ring for a titlefight.

:lol:

[albeziel]

another bad division for PPV

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Like him or hate him, Cory Spinks and his IBF belt are the closest things to legit at 154.

[PH|LLA]

:lol:
i didn't say it would either

everything said in that post was correct

[Amsterdam]

i didn't say it would either

everything said in that post was correct

Sure, but come on man, sitting on the fence on whether Bumdomir is going to be competitive with an experienced, skilled fighter.

You know better than that.

[PH|LLA]

i could have never imagined Baldomir troubling Judah so i reserved judgement on Baldomir - Forrest because i haden't seen any recent Forrest fights.

[Amsterdam]

del.

i could have never imagined Baldomir troubling Judah so i reserved judgement on Baldomir - Forrest because i haden't seen any recent Forrest fights.

That's fair, but you did have Quartey. Even though Forrest performed badly, and lost in my book, it was a competitive fight and Quartey even at this age is 5X the fighter Baldo is. I personally can't believe I had +125 odds on Forrest.:yep

Judah just can't handle a pressure fighter period, and that was a really bad version of Judah to top it off.

Common sense shit.

[Amsterdam]

Forrest dominated Baldomir, bringing up your old bullshit thread thinking Baldo would make it competitive can only HELP Forrest's arguement in the Forrest-Pavlik thread.

No, it can't. Forrest is maxed out at 154 for effectiveness even though he's tall. Pavlik is absolutely huge, packs a LHW style punch and will just walk through Vernon.

That's a ridiculous fight to even contemplate. Pharoah's point about the Pavlik-Forrest fight is valid, using this thread as to see people's original thoughts on the current Forrest is valid also.

You're fucking ridiculous if you think Forrest-Pavlik is anything more than an easy tune up for Pavlik.

[Amsterdam]

Dude, you picked fuckin' Estrada to easily beat Berto, you are the LAST person to call anything ridiculous.

To easily beat Berto? No, I said there was a chance of an upset, get your facts straight.

Berto has his coming soon. You have to understand, I really want him to lose badly so his idiot fanboy boosters get smacked in the face for hyping up someone that doesn't deserve massive hype, therefore I am going to root for the opponent no matter what.

That's 1 bad call, I've only picked a few wrong since July of last year. I, and any other knowledgable poster, have every right to say that Pavlik-Forrest is a ridiculous match up and that any fan that actually thinks Forrest can win is being ridiculous.

It's not realistic.

[kg0208]

You picked Estrada to KO Berto, nuff said. One of THE worst predictions I've ever read here.

Did you not see PacD predict Pacquiao over PBF by KO?

[kg0208]

I did, that's why I said it's ONE of the worst picks I seen, did you not see me type that? I also don't see PacD calling the Forrest-Pavlik fight ridiculous. Even if Pac and Floyd fight could it be any worse than the complete domination and eventual KO Berto gave to Estrada? Possisbly, but it'll be along the same lines.
Did I see you type it? Yes....did I see you overreact to what I just said? Yes.

Considering the size of Pavlik, I don't think Forrest should fight him. I saw what happened to him when he couldn't gain the respect of a power puncher before. Pavlik would mow him down because he doesn't have the power to hurt him. I think Pavlik, who is big enough to fight at LHW, would simply be oversized.

[PH|LLA]

That's fair, but you did have Quartey. Even though Forrest performed badly, and lost in my book, it was a competitive fight and Quartey even at this age is 5X the fighter Baldo is. I personally can't believe I had +125 odds on Forrest.:yep

Judah just can't handle a pressure fighter period, and that was a really bad version of Judah to top it off.

Common sense shit.
i still havent seen the Quartey fight

actully based on the information i had at the time, it wasn't common sense shit at all, not even close

[PH|LLA]

Forrest dominated Baldomir, bringing up your old bullshit thread thinking Baldo would make it competitive can only HELP Forrest's arguement in the Forrest-Pavlik thread.
i never said Baldo would make it competitive. What i did say is that it wasn't a worthy title fight to begin with, and that Baldo was only a rugged journeyman.

[PH|LLA]

Talking so much junk about Forrest without even seeing the Ike fight. :patsch OK buddy.
i've seen both the Baldomir fight and the Piccirillo fight

[kg0208]

Did I see you overreact to me in the first place? Yes. Don't play those semantic games with me.

In the corner between rounds Mayorga said in Spanish "man, that nlgger hits hard" So obviously he had Forrest's respect. Tito was nailing Mayorga the whole fight before he KO'd him and Mayorga kept coming forward, so don't give me that about Mayorga not respecting Forrest's power cuz he kept coming forward, that's all he knows how to do. We know Forrest has legs as evidenced by his great movement in the Quartey fight and we know how he can preform when he isn't hampered by his shoulder like how he was in the Baldomir fight. Forrest has a great long jab, plus with his legs and his exremely accurate right (which is one of the most underrated punches in boxing) he can make the fight with Pavlik competitive if not pull it out.

You think Forrest shouldn't fight him? Really? Forrest will only be 38 then and he has many years and big fights ahead of him, right? Give me a break.
Actually, no I didn't overreact. I made a joke since this place is full of bad predictions. I was making light of the situation. I don't need to play a game of semantics when I can straight up say what I need to say and get my point across.

Mayorga didn't respect Forrest's power. He knew he hit hard sure. But not hard enough to stop him. He didn't keep coming forward against Trinidad. Trinidad went forward.....Forrest went backward against Mayorga.

Pavlik would simply cut the ring off on the smaller fighter and use his jab to get in. Pavlik uses his jab far to well coupled with his significant size advantage for Forrest to mount an offense. He would be on the defensive all night. (Quartey IMO beat Forrest BTW) And one big shot from Pavlik would end the fight. You are talking about putting Forrest in with a guy who is weight draining to get to MW. I don't care about his age or any of that money propaganda BS. We are talking about whether the fight is plausible in a "Can Forrest win the fight" context.

[kg0208]

Forrest went backwards against Mayorga by design, he won the 2nd fight that way, but got robbed IMO.

And in the Pavlik fight you're totally forgetting about Forrest's legs. His endurance has never been in question and he'll use the whole ring for the whole fight making Pavlik look sloppy. Let's not forget that Vernon was a huge WW too.

I'm not forgetting about Forrest's legs. We simply have a disagreement on the effectiveness of them.

Yes, Forrest was a big WW. But Pavlik is a big MW. I don't question his endurance at all, just his ability to take Pavlik's punches. He isn't a defensive wizard.

I thought Forrest won the 2nd Mayorga fight as well, but I wouldn't call it robbery. But even then, Mayorga doesn't jab or have Pavlik's size and reach advantage.