Whos the best trainer of all times??

[Bad_Intentions]

who is it?

[Pat_Lowe]

Eddie Futch IMO, he was a brilliant strategist. He brought down Ali with both Norton and Frazier being trained by him. His fighter gave Jones jr his first loss (Montell Griffin). They are just 2 examples.

Another that deserves mention is Ray Arcel, but I don't know enough about him

[Bad_Intentions]

Eddie Futch IMO, he was a brilliant strategist. He brought down Ali with both Norton and Frazier being trained by him. His fighter gave Jones jr his first loss (Montell Griffin). They are just 2 examples.

Another that deserves mention is Ray Arcel, but I don't know enough about himdude, it was just a disqualification. it wasn't really a LOSS if you know what i mean.

[Hadrian]

dude, it was against a prime jones not the faded fool that lost to tarver and he was giving Roy a hell of a night before the DQ. Montell also beat a prime Toney. I think Montell griff may be the most underrated fighter of the last 15 years.

One of the many things that made Futch so amazing is he could get guys who had less talent to win fights.

Arcel is up there.

Floyd senior may get there.

[Pat_Lowe]

dude, it was just a disqualification. it wasn't really a LOSS if you know what i mean.

I know but what Montell Griffin was doing brought about that disqualification. He was successful against Jones and gave him a bit of trouble. Jones was frustrated and hit him when he was down. Thats against the rules and it was justified for him to be disqualified. Griffin put Jones in that mood temperament.

Also, Eddie Futch trained Mike McCallum and Montell Griffin against James Toney. There was an article somewhere about he was the downfall of Toney and how he had his number.

[C. M. Clay II]

Angelo Dundee.:good

[Bad_Intentions]

Angelo Dundee.:good:rofl :rofl

[Pat_Lowe]

Emmanuel Steward is very good, he's trained so many world champions (the most ever I think). He trained guys from scratch eg Tommy Hearns, and he can take over guys and turn them into much better fighters eg Klitschko and Lewis. One of the best ever.

Another underated trainer is Nacho Beristain, he trained both Marquez brothers and a few other champions (can't remember who), he's a horrible manager though. In the corner he's very calm and collected and is one of the best

[brooklyn1550]

Eddie Futch
Ray Arcel
Nacho Beristain
Jack Blackburn

[C. M. Clay II]

:rofl :rofl

:huh

[ajohnfp]

Ray Arcel.

[dmt]

Ray Arcel

I doubt anybody's succesfullt trained so many greats for such a long time

[achillesthegreat]

Maybe Emmanuel Steward. He has taken guys from the beginning to the end. He has come on and tweaked guys with huge rewards. He has even come in for just a bout or two.

Either way he had something to do with some of the best at heavy and other weight classes.

[young griffo]

Johnny Lewis took a raw Jeff Fenech and turned him into a triple crown champion.Also took the limited but gutsy Jeff Harding to a world title and was in Kostya Tszyu's corner for his entire professional career.

Taking three fighters to world titles might not seem much,but for a small country (population wise) like Australia which has only had about a dozen legitimate world champions,it's a fair effort.

Lewis actually cares about his fighters and his one weakness (if you could call it that) is that he would rather stop a fight prematurely than give his fighter the benefit of the doubt and see him get hurt.

[JohnThomas1]

For raising a fighter from scratch i like Emmanuel Steward.

For unbelievable tactical astuteness i like Eddie Futch.

I think Ray Arcel is worthy of mention too.

Underrated a bit among many might be Slim Jim Robinson, George Benton and Janks Morton.

Good stuff about Lewis Griffo.

[fists of fury]

I'm hugely impressed with Emmanuel Steward.
The job he did with Lewis was fantastic and it looks like he's doing the same with with Klitschko. He also briefly had Evander when he beat Bowe, and his work with Hearns and others at the Kronk stable over the years is superb.

Maybe when all is said and done, he will surpass them all in terms of greatness.

[JohnThomas1]

I'm hugely impressed with Emmanuel Steward.
The job he did with Lewis was fantastic and it looks like he's doing the same with with Klitschko. He also briefly had Evander when he beat Bowe, and his work with Hearns and others at the Kronk stable over the years is superb.

Maybe when all is said and done, he will surpass them all in terms of greatness.

He worked with Pryor for the Arguello rematch too, had Chavez for a bit, helped McCallum a bit and much much more.

[Nemesis]

Who was Monzon's trainer, he was pretty good...


apologies, my memory is like a sieve

[JohnThomas1]

i loathe manny steward. His patented "Hit N' Hold" made lennox lewis one of the most boring fighters of all time.

Translated - he smashed my man Mike Tyson and i've hated him and all his trainers ever since.

[Raggamuffin]

Anyone remember Georgie Benton ? He deserves some credit.
Als Eddie Futch(bringing up Bowe while in his 70's) and Many Steward are up there

[Duodenum]

Who was Monzon's trainer, he was pretty good...


apologies, my memory is like a sieveThat would be Amilcar Brusa, who was just inducted into the IBHOF, and at 84 is working for Golden Boy Productions, also dividing his time training boxers between Los Angeles and Argentina. He's led 14 boxers to world titles so far.

My own list:

Eddie Futch

Thomas "Sarge" Johnson (The trainer for the 1976 U.S. Olympic boxing squad which won five gold medals, and produced several professional championships. He was killed in a 1980 plane crash near Warsaw, then the worst air crash in Poland's history. U.S. amateur boxing has never recovered from his loss.)

Gil Clancy (Emile Griffith from scratch. 'Nuff said.)

Emmanuel Steward (Already a HOFer at his age, he may yet surpass them all.)

[Holmes' Jab]

Futch, Steward, Arcel and Dundee are the names that immediately srping to mind here.

I'll go along with Futch.

[mcvey]

who is it?
Well no ones mentioned them so I will,Charlie Goldman,Whitey Bimstein,Jackie McCoy,Benny Georgino,Eddie Thomas,Pops Foster way back.all good guys. Manny Steward is one of the best but sometimes spreads himself too thin,looking after several fighters at once,,Ill say Ray Arcel or Eddie Futch take it.

[Duodenum]

Well no ones mentioned them so I will,Charlie Goldman,Whitey Bimstein,Jackie McCoy,Benny Georgino,Eddie Thomas,Pops Foster way back.all good guys. Manny Steward is one of the best but sometimes spreads himself too thin,looking after several fighters at once,,Ill say Ray Arcel or Eddie Futch take it.It's a great list of names. After reading Corner Men by Fried though, it's really Eddie Futch who lingers in my mind. Manny Steward is proof that all the great ones don't simply reside in antiquity. I didn't expect anybody to name Sarge Johnson, but his emphasis on lateral movement translated into numerous professional championships for his charges.

[Robbi]

For raising a fighter from scratch i like Emmanuel Steward.

For unbelievable tactical astuteness i like Eddie Futch.

I think Ray Arcel is worthy of mention too.

Underrated a bit among many might be Slim Jim Robinson, George Benton and Janks Morton.

Good stuff about Lewis Griffo.

Steward brought Hearns and Lewis' careers back from the dead, and he's done the same with Klitschko. You could say he done a similar job with Holyfield for the Bowe rematch, although that was a quick fix then away again.

Not sure he had the input with Hamed he wanted. Steward was a co-trainer with Saurez, and he openly admitted it was not a situation he was never entirely comfortable with. Ive got to say his instructions to Hamed between rounds of the Barrera fight need to be serious questioned "Open up and this fight is over with". Steward was expecting Hamed to KO Barrera, when he should have been getting into Hamed's ear about winning rounds.

Team De La Hoya treated Steward with no respect. Not Oscar himself, but Alcazar and Joel Snr. The main reason why Steward was sacked?. A difference of opinion with Joel snr on how many rounds De La Hoya should be sparring. 1997 was a very busy year in the ring for De La Hoya, as he had five fights. Gonzalez, Whitaker, Kamau, Camacho, and Rivera. Steward thought sparring over a 100 rounds for each fight was simply too much for a world class boxer fighting five times a year. Joel snr wanted more rounds.

Steward invited De La Hoya to attend the Holyfield v Moorer II fight in November 1997, which he did along with girlfriend Shanna Moakler. Steward has been well known as a close friend of Don King. This had Bob Arum fuming, as he had suspicions Steward was trying to get Oscar to sign with King. Steward and Oscar swear to this day no meeting with King ever took place.

Joel snr and other members of team De La Hoya felt Steward was spending too much time with Lennox Lewis. Steward had Lewis train at Big Bear to try and spend equal time with each fighter. Lewis was based at Big Bear for his fights with Akinwande and Golota.

Alcazar back stabbed Steward during camp, as he was going back reporting to Joel snr on everything. Second pair of eyes for Oscar's father, who more or less ran his sons career 10 years ago.

Steward trained Oscar for his last three fights of 1997, and was fired a week before the Rivera fight, with Clancy taking Steward's place as a consultant in the corner when Oscar stepped into the ring with Rivera.

[Robbi]

Ray Arcel has to be one of my favourites as I'm a massive Duran fan. Not just for the work and dedication he showed for the "Hands of Stone", but his input with the old timers, Benny Leonard and Barney Ross, etc.

Eddie Futch is right up there.


The best corner team ever, and I'm including the fighter. Benton, Duva, and Whitaker.

[ironchamp]

Translation - He ruined wladimir klitschko too, he went from one the greatest offensive heavyweights ever into the hit n' hold robot we see today.

That hit and hold robot is will yield more success than the more exciting Wlad that we used to know...


I like Manny Steward he's effective, has a great strategist and good motivator. He corrects flaws very well.

Futch probably the best ever.

[Duodenum]

Ray Arcel has to be one of my favourites as I'm a massive Duran fan. Not just for the work and dedication he showed for the "Hands of Stone", but his input with the old timers, Benny Leonard and Barney Ross, etc.

Eddie Futch is right up there.


The best corner team ever, and I'm including the fighter. Benton, Duva, and Whitaker.Whew! Over Arcel, Futch and Holmes, or Arcel, Freddie Brown and Duran, or Yank Durham, Futch and Joe Frazier, that is very high praise indeed!

[Primadonna Kool]

Ray Arcel has to be one of my favourites as I'm a massive Duran fan. Not just for the work and dedication he showed for the "Hands of Stone", but his input with the old timers, Benny Leonard and Barney Ross, etc.

Eddie Futch is right up there.


The best corner team ever, and I'm including the fighter. Benton, Duva, and Whitaker.

Excuse me where did you get that picture from of Bernard Hopkins in your Avatar.

[Robbi]

Whew! Over Arcel, Futch and Holmes, or Arcel, Freddie Brown and Duran, or Yank Durham, Futch and Joe Frazier, that is very high praise indeed!

I don't mean the best corner team on paper, but how well they gelled together between rounds.

No fighter comes close to Whitaker for absorbing instructions between rounds. He listened to his seconds, Benton especially, with so much focus and aknowlegement. Benton was the strategist, Duva the motivator, and Whitaker the listener.

At times it was as if Whitaker was having a conversation between rounds with Benton, although he was usually all ears and no mouth. Benton, head through the ropes, always calm and clear with his gameplan plan for the next round, while Whitaker's facial expressions showing a fighter ready and willing for the task ahead.

[Asterion]

Ray Arcel.

[DocDevil]

Willie Reddish was good.I heard William Muldoon really got Sullivan into shape.

[JohnThomas1]

Translation - He ruined wladimir klitschko too, he went from one the greatest offensive heavyweights ever into the hit n' hold robot we see today.

Where's Wlad ranked in the world again?

[Duodenum]

I don't mean the best corner team on paper, but how well they gelled together between rounds.

No fighter comes close to Whitaker for absorbing instructions between rounds. He listened to his seconds, Benton especially, with so much focus and aknowlegement. Benton was the strategist, Duva the motivator, and Whitaker the listener.

At times it was as if Whitaker was having a conversation between rounds with Benton, although he was usually all ears and no mouth. Benton, head through the ropes, always calm and clear with his gameplan plan for the next round, while Whitaker's facial expressions showing a fighter ready and willing for the task ahead.Excellent clarification Robbi, very well explained. Thanks!

[Robbi]

Excuse me where did you get that picture from of Bernard Hopkins in your Avatar.

How, do you like? :good


I can't mind exactly where, but one of the online search engines.