Wladimir Klitschko vs. Jersey Joe Walcott

[KobeIsGod]

I think this would be an interesting matchup. Could Walcott and his cute boxing style utilize foot and upper body movement to slip inside and deliver his hookercut or would Wlad keep moving and keep Walcott on the end of his brutal left jab setting him up for the straight right?

Walcott wasn't a runner so there would some good two-way action imo.

[Jbuz]

Wlad would knock him out.

[PH|LLA]

who is greater or who would win?

Walcott was a cruiserweight by today's standards, and thats without any weight draining.

[KobeIsGod]

who is greater or who would win?

Walcott was a cruiserweight by today's standards, and thats without any weight draining.

he's comparable to Liston. nearly the same height and probably 15 pounds less when each was at their respective primes, 210 and 195.

Walcott had some damn fast hands and boy could he crack. great left hand.

i think walcott is a pretty underrated hw champ who was a great counter-puncher. maybe i should have put it in the classic forum :think

i think Walcott's foot and upper body movements would cause some problems for Dr. Cottonhammer. He was a very awkard fighter. Marciano had major problems with him in their first fight and he gave Joe louis all he could handle in both of their fights.

Remember Louis had a great jab too but Walcott really neutralized it with his unorthodox style. He just made the mistake of trading combinations with Louis in their rematch.

[PH|LLA]

he's comparable to Liston. nearly the same height and probably 15 pounds less when each was at their respective primes, 210 and 195.

Walcott had some damn fast hands and boy could he crack. great left hand.

i think walcott is a pretty underrated hw champ who was a great counter-puncher. maybe i should have put it in the classic forum :think

i think Walcott's foot and upper body movements would cause some problems for Dr. Cottonhammer. He was a very awkard fighter. Marciano had major problems with him in their first fight and he gave Joe louis all he could handle in both of their fights.

Remember Louis had a great jab too but Walcott really neutralized it with his unorthodox style. He just made the mistake of trading combinations with Louis in their rematch.
Honestly Wlad takes this one with ease. not even close.

In terms of greatness odds are on Wlad surpassing Jersey Joe by a longshot.

[KobeIsGod]

Honestly Wlad takes this one with ease. not even close.

In terms of greatness odds are on Wlad surpassing Jersey Joe by a longshot.

Well i agree Wlad would win but not with ease. But if Dr. Cottonhammer came out too tentative, Walcott could time him. Joe had the power to certainly stop him imo. Walcott threw sharp puches especially hooks and uppercuts.

I'm pretty sure i know who Bert Sugar and Teddy Atlas would pick :oops:

[Jazzo]

Silly

[Rudolph]

If they were the same size Walcott outboxes him

[RonnieHornschuh]

[quote=KobeIsGod]he's comparable to Liston. nearly the same height and probably 15 pounds less when each was at their respective primes, 210 and 195.

Walcott had some damn fast hands and boy could he crack. great left hand.

it all depends on the opposition. he mostly fought fighters from 180-200 lbs., his punches wouldn't seem as sharp against real heavyweights. roy jones was a puncher at smw but at hw he couldn't crack an egg basically. remember how sultan was supposed to be a big puncher in his early days? but when put in against good hws his punching suddenly doesn't seem to be that dangerous anymore. if sultan had fought in the early days he would have been regarded as quite a big puncher though.

[McGrain]

I'm surprised by some of the opinions in this thread and I've got to question whether you guys have seen a great deal of Jersey Joe. Certainly opinions like "he is to small" won't wash for this great fighter.

Wlad has every concievable physical advantage BUT Walcott has these advantages:

Handspeed
Craft
Heart

I nearly added generalship, but Wlad is actually an excellent ring general - in terms of creating climate for victory - so we'll leave that for now.

Now, combining these advantages with Wlad's apparent deficiencies - severe reticence, seeming fear of the punch, in fact (I share Jim Watt's theory that "no-one has graver doubts about his chin than he does") - Walcott has a very serious chance.

Overall, Walcott is the type of fighter that can put anyone on their ass with his combination of talents.

My guess is that all of this is not enough to overcome the Wladimir physicality, but all of those predicting "easy win" haven't seen a great deal of one or the other on film.

Klitschko WPTS 12

OR

Klitschko WPTS 15.

But Wlad visits the deck as many times as he did against Peter.

[joekirkbycobra]

walcotts beter wlad would b 2 big tho

[Sakura]

Wlad's smallest opponent was Exum Speight 207 lb and Prime Walcott was 190 lb...
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[McGrain]

Wlad's smallest opponent was Exum Speight 207 lb and Prime Walcott was 190 lb...
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For what little it is worth, Walcott was bigger than 190 at prime by about 7 pounds. Unless your disputing that his two wins over Charles and his valiant losing effort to Marciano are not the best we've seen of him?

If he was better than he was in those efforts i'd probably make Walcott favourite.

[RealIzm]

Walcott by murder.....you people really are deranged

[Sakura]

For what little it is worth, Walcott was bigger than 190 at prime by about 7 pounds. Unless your disputing that his two wins over Charles and his valiant losing effort to Marciano are not the best we've seen of him?

If he was better than he was in those efforts i'd probably make Walcott favourite.

Walcott was also outboxed by Henry Taylor, Billy Ketchell...and they never was most talented boxers.

[McGrain]

Walcott was also outboxed by Henry Taylor, Billy Ketchell...and they never was most talented boxers.

Yeah, the 190lb version you seem intent on using was.

Peak Walcott outfought/boxed maybe the greatest boxer of all time in Ezzard Charles - twice.

But don't let's misunderstand each other, I pick Wlad as detailed on page one. I posted in response to your post becase I felt your detailing of Walcott's weight was not accurate, not because I pick Walcott to win.

[JAB5239]

I think this would be an interesting matchup. Could Walcott and his cute boxing style utilize foot and upper body movement to slip inside and deliver his hookercut or would Wlad keep moving and keep Walcott on the end of his brutal left jab setting him up for the straight right?

Walcott wasn't a runner so there would some good two-way action imo.

At his best, Walcott would be a little more effective than Chris Byrd was in the first fight. Like Byrd, he doesn't have the power to keeo Wlad honest. Sooner or later Wlad walks him down and gets the ko.

[McGrain]

At his best, Walcott would be a little more effective than Chris Byrd was in the first fight. Like Byrd, he doesn't have the power to keeo Wlad honest. Sooner or later Wlad walks him down and gets the ko.

This is a terrible analysis.

Firstly, Walcott has 32 KO's ot of 51 wins and was famed for his power. He was not a Baer/Shavers type puncher but could generate KO shots over a short distance and work himself into position to throw such punches.

Second, Wlad isn't going to be "walking" anyone down, he's going to be staying at range on the back foot, desperate to avoid Walcott getting inside.

The second misunderstanding springs from the first I think.

[ad82]

It would be an easy win for Wlad, Walcott was a great fighter but his cross arm defence would have been too leaky for Wlads jabs and right hand. Early KO for Wlad.

[joe the great]

I voted Wlad but I could see Walcott winning 1 of 3.

[JAB5239]

This is a terrible analysis.

Firstly, Walcott has 32 KO's ot of 51 wins and was famed for his power. He was not a Baer/Shavers type puncher but could generate KO shots over a short distance and work himself into position to throw such punches.

Second, Wlad isn't going to be "walking" anyone down, he's going to be staying at range on the back foot, desperate to avoid Walcott getting inside.

The second misunderstanding springs from the first I think.


Not to be disrespectful, but who was the best fighter Joe ko'd? Ezzard Charles? Not exactly a giant. On the other hand Joe was ko'd plents of time from little guys like Jack Fox, to the plodding Abe Simon. Neither of which Wlad is. Walcott will be using footwork like in the first Louis fight, yet Wlad long jab never allows him to get inside and be truly effective. After awhile Joe is gonna be looking to survive by staying away and Wlad is gonna walk him down. Jmo.

[McGrain]

Not to be disrespectful, but who was the best fighter Joe ko'd? Ezzard Charles? Not exactly a giant. On the other hand Joe was ko'd plents of time from little guys like Jack Fox, to the plodding Abe Simon. Neither of which Wlad is. Walcott will be using footwork like in the first Louis fight, yet Wlad long jab never allows him to get inside and be truly effective. After awhile Joe is gonna be looking to survive by staying away and Wlad is gonna walk him down. Jmo.

This is a bit more like it.

[Jazzo]

If they were the same size Walcott outboxes him

If you are going to shrink WALDO, then I am going to Grant him Force Lightning.

WALDO KO 1.

[Galileo Galilei]

Lol, come on here. Wlad knocks out Walcott.

Walcott has been on the floor more times than Klits, yet people will claim Klits has the glass jaw in this one.

Or better yet, fans of yesteryear, will claim we've never seen Walcott, or read up on him, or appreciate him, etc.... Baloney.

Why some act like the size difference in this type of fight is just too much for ole Jersey Joe.

Klits hammers Joe in this, the size factor can not be ignored.