Greatest 154 fighter ever?

[kg0208]

Who in your opinion is the greatest at 154 ever?

H2H....Hearns.

Legacy.....McCallum

[brooklyn1550]

Can't argue with that kg

[Lance_Uppercut]

Looks about right to me.

Can add Terry Norris and Tito Trinidad, but I wouldn't pick either against Hearns or McCallum.

[kg0208]

I am waiting for a Trinidad honestly....

NM, Posted right after Lance and I agree with what he said.

[kg0208]

Throw in Julian Jackson as well, get a 154 tournament going.

I didn't mention Jackson because of the way McCallum absolutely crushed him.

[Olander]

Hearns and McCallum are the clear cut top 2.

Yup. When I first read the title of this thread, those were the first two names - as well as the only two names - that immediately came to mind.

[magnificentdave]

how can you throw in trinidad without throwing in--- winky wright?

[BewareofDawg]

Head to Head ----- Winky Wright. He beats Hearns.

[chrisroxthem]

not bhop cuz he didnt fight at 154 ever

[Dr Gonzo]

He never fought at 154, never post again.

OWNED! :rofl:rofl:rofl

[bigtime9]

get that porno shit out of your avatar..so fucking lame..you think your cool because you post a womans greasy ass. this is a boxing forum grow the fuck up kg:-(

[chrisroxthem]

hahahha damn i did just get owned.

[bigtime9]

You tell him to grow up yet you have a cartoon bug in your avatar. What Saturday morning cartoon is that from?

coming from the resident bestialist:lol:

[PATSYS]

get that porno shit out of your avatar..so fucking lame..you think your cool because you post a womans greasy ass. this is a boxing forum grow the fuck up kg:-( No, you STFU.

That ass avatar is the only thing that makes this thread interesting.

[BewareofDawg]

:lol: How? How in the hell does he beat Hearns. Hearns has a better reach, a better jab, a harder jab, a MUCH harder punch, and better overall boxing ability, and Winky couldn't finish Hearns. No way in hell Winky beats him, terrible matchup for Winky.
I disagree. First and foremost, Hearns really never did much at 154lbs, so stop sucking the mans nuts so much. He beat Duran, who wasn't nearly as good as he was at the lower weights and also coming off a loss and he beat Benitez.

Winky is the better technical boxer, great defense, mentally tough and won't be intimidated. He has the chin to weather a storm, and will keep his jab in Hearns face all night long, without getting hit cleanly in return. I actually feel this is a bad matchup for Hearns.

[carras]

hearns beats winky by lopsided UD

[BewareofDawg]

He will keep his jab in Hearns face? You act like Hearns is just some regular fighter here. Hearns has a better reach and jab than Winky. Winky won't be able to use any kind of offense in this one because he will be getting countered bythe jab all night. Not only that, but if Mosley made him respect his power, imagine what Hearns does. Hearns would be able to hurt him big and outbox him. Nobody in the history of boxing could'v e outboxed Hearns. Some may have been able to bull him to a decision or late TKO or catch him with a big shot(and it would have to be a big puncher) but noone outboxes him from 147-154. Winky would have his strengths taken away, and made to feel Hearns power. Hearns by Wide UD. There is no way Winky can win.
Strengths taken away??? How is Hearns going to take away a great defense, a safety first offense and a great jab....as well as a shitload of experience, poise under pressure and P4P skills? You act like Winky is some average boxer. I know the guy is underrated, but you're being ridiculous. You say nobody in the history of boxing outboxes Tommy from 147 to 154lbs :patsch This is where I started to get the feeling you might be a little biased....in picking Hearns to "outbox" Sugar Ray Robinson :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

I'm not trying to start a bitchfest with you. I just don't agree. I hold Winky in very high regard currently and all time, and just feel he would have a very good chance at beating Hearns. :good

Oh, and Mosley only got him to respect his power when Winky offered up a free shot, and Shane went to the body.....which was a genious move by Shane and a fucking stupid one by Winky

[chrisroxthem]

ya that is a sweet ass in that avatar

[BewareofDawg]

Hearns could outbox Robinson. Hearns at 147 is damn near impossible to "out box". He could be outmuscled or outfought but I don't think anyone is going to outbox him.
Define boxing then. Is moving in and throwing a lead left hook "boxing"? Or is "boxing" to you dancing around throwing a jab, and an occasional combination and then moving back out? I just want to be clear.

You say "outmuscled" or "out fought", can you give examples of those as well. I honestly am missing something here. So what did SRL do to him? Outmuscle him? Out fight him? I know Hearns started to win the boxing match midway, but he got outboxed in the beginning and definitely in the end.....Hearns became the boxer and Leonard became the stalker, but don't you think at the end of the fight it was Leonard that made the necessary adjustments and did what he had to do to "win the boxing match"?

[Lostmykeys]

As I've already said, Robinson isn't gonna outbox Hearns, he may finish him late when Hearns starts to fade, but he isn't outboxing him.

And Winky's jab once again won't be anything to Hearns greater reach and more powerful jab. So how does Winky imposed his gameplan on someone taller, with a batter reach, quicker, and MUCH more powerful? Winky would play on the defensive all night. Hearns by wide UD.

Sweat Pea you under 40 posts a day.

Dissapointing.

[Club Fighter]

I had a threesome with the two girls in my avatar, one was about a 5 the red head was an eight, best night of my life, never saw them again. But then again that's too much information.:blood

You know this has absolutely nothing to do with the title of the thread yet somehow manages to be the most relevant post in it. Kudos, my friend.



P.S. As much as I like Terry, he & Tito Trinidad need to be removed immediately.

[brooklyn1550]

Hearns would beat Winky Wright at 154...too big, too fast, better jab, more power, damn near impossible to outbox.

[BoppaZoo]

there have been alot of talented boxers to stop there in this division.

but Legacy wise i think McCallum and Norris i like at that weight and were deadly there also.

For me Hearns was the perfect Welterweight but had he fought at 154 he would have been great there also.

[Lance_Uppercut]

get that porno shit out of your avatar..so fucking lame..you think your cool because you post a womans greasy ass. this is a boxing forum grow the fuck up kg:-(

Aww...is poor wittle baby mad cause he didn't say Floyd was the best @ 154 ever? Take your tampon out & change it bitch.:rofl

[kg0208]

get that porno shit out of your avatar..so fucking lame..you think your cool because you post a womans greasy ass. this is a boxing forum grow the fuck up kg:-(

The guy with a cartoon tells me to grow up. The irony...

[lillarry]

I dont know Winky is a brilliant technical fighter. Not saying he would beat Hearns but it wont be as easy as some think.

[kg0208]

My issue with sticking Wright in there is because of his 2 losses at 154, one of which he was KD 5 times. I can't see him standing in there with McCallum or Hearns. Specially Hearns.....Wright is a boxing wizard for sure, but people always forget, Hearns may be one of the top 5 BOXERS to ever live. It was nearly impossible to outbox Hearns.

[kg0208]

Well, his first loss you can´t really count. He had to go 12 rounds and never before went more than 8. He was very green in there against a very good champion. There just was no way he could win that fight.
His second loss was originally a draw but the decision was changed when both guys were already in lockerroom. Wanna guess where the fight was? No, not Germany, South Africa the home country of his opponent.

But then he lost to Vargas as well in a close fight. I was wrong, he has 3 losses at 154. Not a single one of those guys was in the league of Hearns in any catagory IMO.

And McCallum would have just beaten Wright. Cleanly and soundly.

[kg0208]

hearns's jab couldn't pentrate winky's defense...

the way to beat either of these fighters without tkoing them is to neutralize the jab...that being said....

i don't think hearns had ever fought someone like winky wright and i don't know how he would deal with him

If Jermaine Taylor could penetrate Wright's defense, if Vargas could, Hearns could. Hearns hits much harder than both, and he hits much harder than Trinidad. He is also more technically sound than either.

[carras]

If Taylor's jab and power bothered winky, just imagine what hearns would do to him...

[kg0208]

Yep, he lost to Vargas, at least on paper, but that was a prime Vargas who everyone thought that would become something special. And imo Winky won. Perhaps you could score that fight a draw but in no way for Vargas but then Vargas was the up and comer and Winky an unknown guy with a "boring" style.
So look at his losses at 154, there is not much to hold against Winky. He had bad luck with decisions, 2 times and his first fight is similar to the early career losses of some other HoF.
I agree with you that he would lose to McCallum, something like 8-4, and he would also lose to Hearns, but would give some unknown problems. But imo he would beat the other names mentioned here: Norris and Jackson.

Well, anyone who gets hit by Jackson has a chance of going down. He probably beats Jackson by decision. Norris....toss up IMO. I think Norris beats Trinidad and Vargas.

[Sonny Carson]

Exactly. I believe Hearns wins a good 2 of 5 against Robinson as well but would give Robinson the series as he was the king of rematches. If SRR won it would be by KO or hurting Hearns late and stopping him.
SRR had more power than Leonard so I believe he would knock Tommy out anytime they fought. I mean the man knocked out granite chinned Gene Fullmer.

[kg0208]

SRR had more power than Leonard so I believe he would knock Tommy out anytime they fought. I mean the man knocked out granite chinned Gene Fullmer.
Yah, but remember how badly Hearns outboxed Leonard in the rematch. Most consider that "draw" a blatant robbery.

[PATSYS]

I had a threesome with the two girls in my avatar, one was about a 5 the red head was an eight, best night of my life, never saw them again. But then again that's too much information.:blood Fucking pedo :fire :kenny

[unitas]

denny moyer.