Sam Peter is a cheater: Proof inside

[KobeIsGod]

All these fools claiming Peter kd Wlad 3x need to listen up. I asked a qualified ref, who is experienced amateur boxing official with USA Boxing (14 years) and completed a yearlong professional officials` clinic with the California State Athletic Commission, this question:

QUESTION: I have a boxing question. Rabbit punches are obviously illegal but what if a fighter contorts himself in another direction or put his head down. Is it legal to hit someone in the back of the head at that point? All these Scam Cheater nuthuggers on ESB say it is.

For example, consider the Wladmir Klitschko-Sam Peter bout. Peter hit Klitschko in the back of the head several times even scoring two knockdowns in the fifth round as a direct result. Klitschko and Peter were usually engaged in clinches when this happened. What are your thoughts on this fight and the rule in general?

Thank you once again,
KobeIsGod :yep

Hi Kobe,
It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head. If a boxer turns his or her back or lowers the head in an illegal manner, then it is up to the referee to caution, warn or penalize that boxer.
The Klitschko-Peter fight featured a couple of inappropriate rulings, in my opinion. Peter should have been penalized for clubbing Klitschko in back of the head, not rewarded with knockdowns.

I hope this helps, Kobe.
Thanks again for writing!

WALD HATERS HAVE BEEN OWNED!!!

[Caper]

I actually like Wlad, I think he's an excellent boxer though that much of a fighter if you can look into the distinctive difference between the two. Either way Wlad is a class above Peter though Peter's game seemed to be sharpening up in his rematch win vs Toney.

[Relentless]

you had to ask an expert if what sam peter does is illegal? :lol:

[Suge Green]

When you turn the back of your head toward a fighter, a fist is a much more effective deterent in preventing this type of idiocy,than waiting for an incompetent official to do his job.

The refs don't prevent WLAD from breaking rules, ever. He pinned down IGGY's foot countless times in his most recent fight...let me guess it's only illegal if you are warned...

When WLAD learns to stop holding and pinning feet down, you can protest more effectively about his opponents rule breaking.

Besides it's amusing that an elite and technically sound HW like WLAD is so unable to prevent blows to the back of his head...really, WLAD just needs to find better defense than grabbing and blocking punches with the back of his head...

Listening to the KLIT-ites tell it...the odds seem to be stacked so unfairly against KLIT that you'd think it was ruled he had to fight PETER with his back turned to him.

[Mendoza]

Here's the trouble. Peter has been known to aim and throw rabbit punches. He landed several vs Wlad but was not docked a point. Yet Peter touches James Toney behind his head and its a quick one point deduction by the ref?

It seem the ref helped Sam Peter in the Wlad fight by letting him foul. If the Ref took no crap on fouls, Wlad beats Peter much easier than he did.

[Ambition_Def]

TURNING YOUR BACK TO YOUR OPPONENT IS ILLEGAL.

:hi:

[Suge Green]

Here's the trouble. Peter has been known to aim and throw rabbit punches. He landed several vs Wlad but was not docked a point. Yet Peter touches James Toney behind his head and its a quick one point deduction by the ref?

It seem the ref helped Sam Peter in the Wlad fight by letting him foul. If the Ref took no crap on fouls, Wlad beats Peter much easier than he did.

The ref let KLIT wrestle all night, a good ref would squash that shit...

[Relentless]

TURNING YOUR BACK TO YOUR OPPONENT IS ILLEGAL.

:hi:

you liar!!

i'm going to go and ask an expert!!

[KobeIsGod]

you had to ask an expert if what sam peter does is illegal? :lol:

well u got people claiming it's legal as long as wlad turns his head and bends down. i wanted to know the rule and there it is. :hi:

[Ambition_Def]

Here's the trouble. Peter has been known to aim and throw rabbit punches. He landed several vs Wlad but was not docked a point. Yet Peter touches James Toney behind his head and its a quick one point deduction by the ref?

It seem the ref helped Sam Peter in the Wlad fight by letting him foul. If the Ref took no crap on fouls, Wlad beats Peter much easier than he did.

That's pure bullshit man.

Watch the first knockdown. The punch behind the head was nothing but a follow up to the left hook that actually sent Waldo spiraling to the canvas. The rabbit punch happened because Sam threw and as he threw Waldo was turning his back to him looking for the canvas. He was already on his way down.

[natep]

Is Wlad your lady friend or what?

[JETSKI]

But he also said a ref should warn someone of illegally turning their back or lowering of the head & I swear I remember Wlad kinda turning & looking to get away when he took a rabbit punch & went down. So Wlad should have been ordered to fight & not run with a warning.

[Ambition_Def]

But he also said a ref should warn someone of illegally turning their back or lowering of the head & I swear I remember Wlad kinda turning & looking to get away when he took a rabbit punch & went down. So Wlad should have been ordered to fight & not run.

Damn right. Everytime Waldo got close to Sam he put his arm around Sam's left arm and turned his back to his right hand. Everytime. And not once did he get a warning.

[Caper]

When you turn the back of your head toward a fighter, a fist is a much more effective deterent in preventing this type of idiocy,than waiting for an incompetent official to do his job.

The refs don't prevent WLAD from breaking rules, ever. He pinned down IGGY's foot countless times in his most recent fight...let me guess it's only illegal if you are warned...

When WLAD learns to stop holding and pinning feet down, you can protest more effectively about his opponents rule breaking.

Besides it's amusing that an elite and technically sound HW like WLAD is so unable to prevent blows to the back of his head...really, WLAD just needs to find better defense than grabbing and blocking punches with the back of his head...

Listening to the KLIT-ites tell it...the odds seem to be stacked so unfairly against KLIT that you'd think it was ruled he had to fight PETER with his back turned to him.

Excellent post, many fail to realize that Wlad is a subpar operator on the inside, he (like many well schooled but improperly cultured in all aspects of boxing) Euro heavyweights lack the proper spacing needed to execute combonations to the body and head while in close qauters. I noticed that about most of Manny Stew's fighters. With all the shit people have given Taylor at least he has the balls to bang on the inside....Cintron and Wlad both lack this essential skill.

[KobeIsGod]

Damn right. Everytime Waldo got close to Sam he put his arm around Sam's left arm and turned his back to his right hand. Everytime. And not once did he get a warning.

true. he should have been warned and probably deducted a pt or 2 but peter is the one who could have been dq'd. u are not allowed to hit on the back of the head at any time.

I actually like Wlad, I think he's an excellent boxer though that much of a fighter if you can look into the distinctive difference between the two. Either way Wlad is a class above Peter though Peter's game seemed to be sharpening up in his rematch win vs Toney.

i agree with all of this but your avy needs to go :-(

[Rock0052]

Ahh yes....it seems every opponent Peter faces conveniently happens to "turn away" right when Peter clubs them in the back of the head. He'd never, ever do something like that on purpose. Maybe they just can't stand to look at that mug for more than a couple seconds at a time, or his breath smells like rhino shit.

[Suge Green]

If 2 fighter's are going toe 2 toe trading body shots...hypothetically speaking, say during the exchange one jumps up in the air...

It's now his opponents fault if he lands a low blow, even though he jumped mid-punch right...???...:!:

Don't give a fighter the back of your head, and it more than likely won't get punched...it's not a fighter's responsibility to pull punches, when you defend like a bitch...
...otherwise everybody would turn around when the going gets tough...good refs give the DQ when a fighter keeps turning away, in recognition that he doesn't really want to fight....

...but in the case of WLAD vs. Sam, the back of KLIT's head is practically a heat seeking missle searching out Peter's fist....:smoke

[Boxfan1]

Wlad never turned away in the fight. Wlad would duck and Peter would go for the back of the head. Wlad never turned away from him one time in the fight. It was a complete domination by Wladimir. Why does everyone continue to discuss a one sided fight so much? Peter lost. Accept it and move on.

[Doomas]

Excellent post, many fail to realize that Wlad is a subpar operator on the inside, he (like many well schooled but improperly cultured in all aspects of boxing) Euro heavyweights lack the proper spacing needed to execute combonations to the body and head while in close qauters. I noticed that about most of Manny Stew's fighters. With all the shit people have given Taylor at least he has the balls to bang on the inside....Cintron and Wlad both lack this essential skill.

Yeah, I saw Hearns was in trobule against SRL on the insdie far too often too. Good point there.

[Thread Stealer]

I'm used to guys fighting dirty and bending the rules and all, but rabbit punching bothers me.

That's an extremely dangerous foul.

[Lampley]

I don't think Peter intentionally is aiming for the back of heads, because if he were then he'd miss. Ha.

Seriously, though, the natural arc of his punches has a roundabout effect that causes them to go wide. In the WK fight, Wladimir exacerbated that arc by ducking low and turning, causing the punches to club more directly on the back of his head. Peter should have gotten a warning, but so should Wladimir.

The only occasion I can remember Peter fighting dirty was the ear-boxing he did in the first fight against Toney. And on that occasion, he correctly was docked a point.

[stack]

Cintron and Wlad both lack this essential skill.

so true. cintron was gettin rocked inside all night against feliciano

[joeboxer]

When you turn the back of your head toward a fighter, a fist is a much more effective deterent in preventing this type of idiocy,than waiting for an incompetent official to do his job.

The refs don't prevent WLAD from breaking rules, ever. He pinned down IGGY's foot countless times in his most recent fight...let me guess it's only illegal if you are warned...

When WLAD learns to stop holding and pinning feet down, you can protest more effectively about his opponents rule breaking.

Besides it's amusing that an elite and technically sound HW like WLAD is so unable to prevent blows to the back of his head...really, WLAD just needs to find better defense than grabbing and blocking punches with the back of his head...

Listening to the KLIT-ites tell it...the odds seem to be stacked so unfairly against KLIT that you'd think it was ruled he had to fight PETER with his back turned to him.clinching isn't illegal. Klitschko only clinched 83 times...it was a lot but less than half of what Ruiz has racked up in his hay day. Peter hit repeatedly to the back of the head, or rabbit punches vs a number of opponnents.

[stack]

if anyone watched friday night fights on espn there was a discussion about wlad's jab/swat he used all night against sultan and if that was even a legal move.

[Boxfan1]

The swat jab is perfectly legal. It's used to knock you opponent off balance so you can decapitate him more efficiently.

[Suge Green]

clinching isn't illegal. Klitschko only clinched 83 times...it was a lot but less than half of what Ruiz has racked up in his hay day. Peter hit repeatedly to the back of the head, or rabbit punches vs a number of opponnents.

The fact that you need to use Ruiz, the undisputed champion of the two man tango, for your comparison shows how sorry KLIT is in this area...

...and holding is against the rules, refs are just a lot more tolerant of it right now for some reason. Just because they are insisting on clean fights less frequently, doesn't mean it's ok to hold all night...it's still pus and it's not boxing.

[stack]

i think teddy atlas was taking the side that it was not a legal move

[Suge Green]

i think teddy atlas was taking the side that it was not a legal move

I'm under the impression it's illegal, since he's not using the part of the fist you are allowed to strike with when he does this technique...but I don't care, it makes him look stupid so I think they should allow him to continue it.

[Mindspring]

I'm under the impression it's illegal, since he's not using the part of the fist you are allowed to strike with when he does this technique...but I don't care, it makes him look stupid so I think they should allow him to continue it.

Let's have the rematch! This sounds alot like the clamoring that people had after the first Brewster fight.
Wlad needs to really put the hurt on Pete because of his sub-par showing.

[Ambition_Def]

Yea whatver, Sam peter should just quit boxing, everybody hates him so fuck it

Same dumb fucks who support Waldo. No loss there. No Waldo didn't hold, or turn his back. Shit he even wore a halo to the ring that the rest of us seemed to miss.

Same sort of dummies who pride themselves on defending Mayweather for making smart business decisions over real fights.

[Jazzo]

PETERS is OK.

WALDO is OK.

You lot should be friends.








































Nah - only kidding.

[Jazzo]

Yea whatver, Sam peter should just quit boxing, everybody hates him so fuck it

That did not stop the bearded warrior!

Take a leaf out of his book, Sam should (if this is the case).

[Lance_Uppercut]

well u got people claiming it's legal as long as wlad turns his head and bends down. i wanted to know the rule and there it is. :hi:


Of course that not legal. But if the other fighter does that while one is swinging, then that's part of it. I guess he should have STOPPED his punch before any contact was made while in full swing? Way to simplify it. Simplify for the simple minded. :thumbsup

[RUSKULL]

All these fools claiming Peter kd Wlad 3x need to listen up. I asked a qualified ref, who is experienced amateur boxing official with USA Boxing (14 years) and completed a yearlong professional officials` clinic with the California State Athletic Commission, this question:

QUESTION: I have a boxing question. Rabbit punches are obviously illegal but what if a fighter contorts himself in another direction or put his head down. Is it legal to hit someone in the back of the head at that point? All these Scam Cheater nuthuggers on ESB say it is.

For example, consider the Wladmir Klitschko-Sam Peter bout. Peter hit Klitschko in the back of the head several times even scoring two knockdowns in the fifth round as a direct result. Klitschko and Peter were usually engaged in clinches when this happened. What are your thoughts on this fight and the rule in general?

Thank you once again,
KobeIsGod :yep

Hi Kobe,
It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head. If a boxer turns his or her back or lowers the head in an illegal manner, then it is up to the referee to caution, warn or penalize that boxer.
The Klitschko-Peter fight featured a couple of inappropriate rulings, in my opinion. Peter should have been penalized for clubbing Klitschko in back of the head, not rewarded with knockdowns.

I hope this helps, Kobe.
Thanks again for writing!

WALD HATERS HAVE BEEN OWNED!!!







Nice work! :good Boneheads like Punisher & Relentless think that Wlad shoul've been penalized for clinching but they turn a blind eye to Peter's obvious infatuation with the back of fighter's heads.................shamefull!!!!

[RUSKULL]

Of course that not legal. But if the other fighter does that while one is swinging, then that's part of it. I guess he should have STOPPED his punch before any contact was made while in full swing? Way to simplify it. Simplify for the simple minded. :thumbsup

C'mon now Lance, I'm sure you've seen the fight & I'm sure you saw how Peter AIMED for the back of the head on more than one occasion. Surely you saw Peter try that shit in many other fights including both vs. Toney......................

[RUSKULL]

When you turn the back of your head toward a fighter, a fist is a much more effective deterent in preventing this type of idiocy,than waiting for an incompetent official to do his job.

The refs don't prevent WLAD from breaking rules, ever. He pinned down IGGY's foot countless times in his most recent fight...let me guess it's only illegal if you are warned...

When WLAD learns to stop holding and pinning feet down, you can protest more effectively about his opponents rule breaking.

Besides it's amusing that an elite and technically sound HW like WLAD is so unable to prevent blows to the back of his head...really, WLAD just needs to find better defense than grabbing and blocking punches with the back of his head...

Listening to the KLIT-ites tell it...the odds seem to be stacked so unfairly against KLIT that you'd think it was ruled he had to fight PETER with his back turned to him.

Wladimir so throughly outboxed Peter that he won by a 3 point margin even with 2 disputed knockdowns being counted in Peter's favor.

That's pretty much an ass whoopin' where I come from, how about you Suggie?

[Lance_Uppercut]

C'mon now Lance, I'm sure you've seen the fight & I'm sure you saw how Peter AIMED for the back of the head on more than one occasion. Surely you saw Peter try that shit in many other fights including both vs. Toney......................

Yeah...he AIMED for the back of the head. Thanks for clarifying that. :roll:

[RUSKULL]

TURNING YOUR BACK TO YOUR OPPONENT IS ILLEGAL.

:hi:

Turning your back on an opponent, not that I'm agreeing that's what Wlad did, is not going to cause the rabbit punching retard to get hurt in any way where rabbit punching in itself can cause damage. Get it? I'm sure you do but you won't admit it. No fighter ever got brain damage for too much clinching or the opposing fighter turning away from a punch anyway so your point is moot! Thanks for playing....................

[RUSKULL]

Yeah...he AIMED for the back of the head. Thanks for clarifying that. :roll:

So I made it up? Watch it again. :deal :D

[RUSKULL]

Yeah...he AIMED for the back of the head. Thanks for clarifying that. :roll:

What about the 2 handed ear punch that he did vs. Toney? You don't recall that one?

Hint: Drink less during the main event, you're likely to retain more details.................

[Lance_Uppercut]

So I made it up? Watch it again. :deal :D

If you think it was intentional, then probably. Yo can say all day long what you think....it's really just your opinion. And not worth arguing over.

Fans who think they know everything about a situation are about as annoying as it gets. Mainly because their opinion is already made. You're a Peter hater dude. That's cool, and your right. Just don't expect anyone but other Wlad fans to believe you.

[Lance_Uppercut]

What about the 2 handed ear punch that he did vs. Toney? You don't recall that one?

Hint: Drink less during the main event, you're likely to retain more details.................

Quit shopping up your ass....you're buying too much or your own shit. :smoke

[RUSKULL]

If you think it was intentional, then probably. Yo can say all day long what you think....it's really just your opinion. And not worth arguing over.

Fans who think they know everything about a situation are about as annoying as it gets. Mainly because their opinion is already made. You're a Peter hater dude. That's cool, and your right. Just don't expect anyone but other Wlad fans to believe you.

I'm not a hater of anybody but Peter has been hyped for too long with too little results. Where is that new amazing jab I heard about so much? His punches still look like winging hooks to me. He just charges inside and that cost him vs. McCline didn't it?

[doomeddisciple]

Who is Wald? (WALD HATERS HAVE BEEN OWNED!!!)

Did Sam Peter's crappy punching technique suddenly make "Wald"'s chin shitty?

Did Sam Peter punch "Wald" in the back of the head against Brewster or Sanders?

Did Sam Peter sneak into the corner in between rounds against Ibragimov and punch him in the back of the head enough to make him fight like he did in the worst title fight this side of the John Ruiz/Holyfield series?

I like Wald as much as the next guy - But cause a ref tells you rabbit punches are bad - That has no bearing on Walds' inability to absorb a shot or how scared he fights now.

[djm]

Good God, this is ancient history. Waldo won. He was kd'd a couple of times but dominated enough that it didn't matter. Can't we just live with that?

[Lance_Uppercut]

I'm not a hater of anybody but Peter has been hyped for too long with too little results. Where is that new amazing jab I heard about so much? His punches still look like winging hooks to me. He just charges inside and that cost him vs. McCline didn't it?

Hyping fighters has been going on forever. Wlad was highly hyped early on? Guess you hated him then? And it's hardly the FIGHTERS fault for the hype. You don't hate hype...you hate the fighter. At least be truthful.

[RingKing]

TURNING YOUR BACK TO YOUR OPPONENT IS ILLEGAL.

:hi:

It's not illegal. It automatically disqualify you, but I guess not too many people know about that rule. When you turn your back on your opponent the fight should be stopped.

[barneyrub]

All these fools claiming Peter kd Wlad 3x need to listen up. I asked a qualified ref, who is experienced amateur boxing official with USA Boxing (14 years) and completed a yearlong professional officials` clinic with the California State Athletic Commission, this question:

QUESTION: I have a boxing question. Rabbit punches are obviously illegal but what if a fighter contorts himself in another direction or put his head down. Is it legal to hit someone in the back of the head at that point? All these Scam Cheater nuthuggers on ESB say it is.

For example, consider the Wladmir Klitschko-Sam Peter bout. Peter hit Klitschko in the back of the head several times even scoring two knockdowns in the fifth round as a direct result. Klitschko and Peter were usually engaged in clinches when this happened. What are your thoughts on this fight and the rule in general?

Thank you once again,
KobeIsGod :yep

Hi Kobe,
It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head. If a boxer turns his or her back or lowers the head in an illegal manner, then it is up to the referee to caution, warn or penalize that boxer.
The Klitschko-Peter fight featured a couple of inappropriate rulings, in my opinion. Peter should have been penalized for clubbing Klitschko in back of the head, not rewarded with knockdowns.

I hope this helps, Kobe.
Thanks again for writing!

WALD HATERS HAVE BEEN OWNED!!!





I suggest you get your referee friend to review this 10 minute video of Wlad lunging in and grabbing Peter, locking his arm around Peters arm, wrapping the other arm around Peters kneck and leaning on his kneck and back.

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I think you will find that those are not legitamate clinches but are illegal fouling tactics, its as wlad lunged in to iniate a hold and turned his head away that he got hit by Peter, it was Wlad who turned his back as he saw the punch coming and realised he couldnt fulfill his desired hold, technically Wlad could be stopped by the referee for turning his back on his opponent also.

[barneyrub]

Wlad never turned away in the fight. Wlad would duck and Peter would go for the back of the head. Wlad never turned away from him one time in the fight. It was a complete domination by Wladimir. Why does everyone continue to discuss a one sided fight so much? Peter lost. Accept it and move on.

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wlad turns away

[RUSKULL]

Quit shopping up your ass....you're buying too much or your own shit. :smoke

Hook line & sinker. :D

[Lance_Uppercut]

Hook line & sinker. :D

Can you see still see your breakfast? :lol:

[RUSKULL]

Hyping fighters has been going on forever. Wlad was highly hyped early on? Guess you hated him then? And it's hardly the FIGHTERS fault for the hype. You don't hate hype...you hate the fighter. At least be truthful.

Oh please Mr Righteous...............you have to be kidding.

Wlad always showed great skills early on and he always took shit from keyboard warriors. There's nothing new here just because of a lackluster recent performance. He still dominated in a practical shutout did he not? Are the standards different for WK than other fighters?

[RUSKULL]

It's not illegal. It automatically disqualify you, but I guess not too many people know about that rule. When you turn your back on your opponent the fight should be stopped.

:huh New rule bro?

[RUSKULL]

It's not illegal. It automatically disqualify you, but I guess not too many people know about that rule. When you turn your back on your opponent the fight should be stopped.

All in all let me say I think Maskaev vs. Peter is a 50/50 fight. If Oleg had been active & not injured I would've given him the edge based on his recent winning streak and his 2 KO's vs. Rahman. I think Rahman is a better version of Peter. He has big power & a far better delivery & technique. Maskaev toughed out 2 fights with Rahman & won them both by highlight reel KO. That seems a bit better to me than Peter KOing Jeremy Williams.............

[Lance_Uppercut]

Oh please Mr Righteous...............you have to be kidding.

Wlad always showed great skills early on and he always took shit from keyboard warriors. There's nothing new here just because of a lackluster recent performance. He still dominated in a practical shutout did he not? Are the standards different for WK than other fighters?

And yet, Wlad was very hyped, was he not? Hyped EVEN when he lost. Now, go hate him. Since you hate hyped fighters. :roll:

[RUSKULL]

And yet, Wlad was very hyped, was he not? Hyped EVEN when he lost. Now, go hate him. Since you hate hyped fighters. :roll:

That's not the only reason I don't rate Peter that highly, no sir. He doesn't work his way in, he's very amateurish in his delivery & technique. He has yet bto KO a top 10 HW yet everyone claims he's the most powerful puncher out there.

I'm not impressed. I think Rahman is a better version.

When I first saw Wladimir fight I saw potential. I don't see that with Peter.

Besides, Peter's a wife beating, smock wearing, product of Lou Duva's imagination. Complete hypejob for little results so far in his career.

[Lance_Uppercut]

That's not the only reason I don't rate Peter that highly, no sir. He doesn't work his way in, he's very amateurish in his delivery & technique. He has yet bto KO a top 10 HW yet everyone claims he's the most powerful puncher out there.

I'm not impressed. I think Rahman is a better version.

When I first saw Wladimir fight I saw potential. I don't see that with Peter.

Besides, Peter's a wife beating, smock wearing, product of Lou Duva's imagination. Complete hypejob for little results so far in his career.

I see. If a guy isn't as skilled, that's a good reason to hate him. Or if fans claim something, that's a good reason as well. Thanks! :thumbsup

And I thought a good reason to hate another boxer was because they were total assholes.

[RUSKULL]

I see. If a guy isn't as skilled, that's a good reason to hate him. Or if fans claim something, that's a good reason as well. Thanks! :thumbsup

And I thought a good reason to hate another boxer was because they were total assholes.

What?

Klitschko showed skills early on so there was justification to have such high expectations. The guy had power, delivery, speed & overall athleticism. Many comparisons were made to Lennox Lewis because of their sheer size, great jabs & power.

I had nothing to do with that :bart Other people said that. :nono Not me alone.

[Suge Green]

What about the 2 handed ear punch that he did vs. Toney? You don't recall that one?

Hint: Drink less during the main event, you're likely to retain more details.................

I recall the great James "WBC Eliminator" Toney, digging his cranium into Sam's chest...rather than wait for incompetent officials to sort things out, Peter does what he has to in order to prevent rulebreaking...

[ralphc]

All these fools claiming Peter kd Wlad 3x need to listen up. I asked a qualified ref, who is experienced amateur boxing official with USA Boxing (14 years) and completed a yearlong professional officials` clinic with the California State Athletic Commission, this question:

QUESTION: I have a boxing question. Rabbit punches are obviously illegal but what if a fighter contorts himself in another direction or put his head down. Is it legal to hit someone in the back of the head at that point? All these Scam Cheater nuthuggers on ESB say it is.

For example, consider the Wladmir Klitschko-Sam Peter bout. Peter hit Klitschko in the back of the head several times even scoring two knockdowns in the fifth round as a direct result. Klitschko and Peter were usually engaged in clinches when this happened. What are your thoughts on this fight and the rule in general?

Thank you once again,
KobeIsGod :yep

Hi Kobe,
It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head. If a boxer turns his or her back or lowers the head in an illegal manner, then it is up to the referee to caution, warn or penalize that boxer.
The Klitschko-Peter fight featured a couple of inappropriate rulings, in my opinion. Peter should have been penalized for clubbing Klitschko in back of the head, not rewarded with knockdowns.

I hope this helps, Kobe.
Thanks again for writing!

WALD HATERS HAVE BEEN OWNED!!!









".....in my opinion."

In my opinion Klitschko should have been penalized for turning his back "in an illegal manner."

[SAS2]

bottom line is if they fight again peters gets ktfo!

[Ambition_Def]

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wlad turns away

Wow I'd never seen the Sky sports version of this fight. Those announcers were right on the money. Compare that to the cocksucking that Lampley was doing for the HBO team. Day and night right there.

[maracho]

you liar!!

i'm going to go and ask an expert!!

:lol:

[dragosuhail]

many people who diss wladimir in that fight would also say hopkins or toney is a genius when avoiding punches. well as far as im conserned hopkins puts his head down around a fighters belt line, turns away etc. even toney turns away..... yet because it's wladimir we are talking about it's a different kettle of fish. :patsch

[dragosuhail]

Wow I'd never seen the Sky sports version of this fight. Those announcers were right on the money. Compare that to the cocksucking that Lampley was doing for the HBO team. Day and night right there.

wladimir will ko sam peter in a rematch. the video highlights the desperation of the wlad haters. in most of those clinches, peter causes them being the shorter man, he simply angles his head and charges forward as if trying to headbutt wladimir's chest.

wladimir naturally the taller fighter who isn't a inside fighter has two options. tie his man up (which peter was more than willing to comply) or raise his hands up over his head and say to peter "go on, hit me for free like mayorga".

also why does peter seem to barrel into wladimir head first? so he can get inside wladimir's punches for a REST. why does he want a rest? because taking flush bombs on the melon is bound to tired even the toughest fighters out there.

if peter stayed outside and tried to wing haymakers he would have been ko'ed by the mid rounds. if peter tried to get on the inside but tuck his arms in in order to do some actual WORK instead of opening them wide for a big hug, then he might have had more success.

but no.... peter was getting ROYALLY FUCKED in that fight and every time he wanted a breather in he went for the big hug.

so again, wladimir either clinches in that situation, or gives peter free shots once peter recupperates.

peter lost the first fight. and he will lose the rematch in devastating fashion. and then FINALLY the haters will have to get new material!

[Ambition_Def]

many people who diss wladimir in that fight would also say hopkins or toney is a genius when avoiding punches. well as far as im conserned hopkins puts his head down around a fighters belt line, turns away etc. even toney turns away..... yet because it's wladimir we are talking about it's a different kettle of fish. :patsch

Bullshit. I can't stand Hopkins either for the tactics he uses. Nor did I appreciate Lennox Lewis for the very same reason! Infact the tactics that Calzaghe employed versus Kessler completely turned me off to him as a fighter. Clinching and spoiling in a fight rank very dubious in my eyes no matter who it is doing it.

wladimir will ko sam peter in a rematch. the video highlights the desperation of the wlad haters. in most of those clinches, peter causes them being the shorter man, he simply angles his head and charges forward as if trying to headbutt wladimir's chest.

More bullshit. I guess you see a halo in those frames too because none of us see it. Rational minds see Klitschko closing the distance when afraid of getting hit. Rational minds see Klitschko ILLEGALLY tying up Sam Peter's left hook and then ILLEGALLY turning his head away from the right hand. Rational minds also see Klitschko ILLEGALLY leaning on Sam Peter's back and neck throughout the whole 12 rounds.

It isn't desperation. It's a blunt fact. Your man employed some pretty shady tactics to SURVIVE against Sam Peter. Should a rematch occur and a proper ref gets that fight, Waldo is going to lose. Guaranteed. He's far more one dimensional now than he's ever been. And far more timid than he was prior to Sanders. He won't be on top for very long.

wladimir naturally the taller fighter who isn't a inside fighter has two options. tie his man up (which peter was more than willing to comply) or raise his hands up over his head and say to peter "go on, hit me for free like mayorga".

More bullshit. Look throughout history at fighters like Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson, Riddick Bowe against Evander Holyfield, George Foreman against Joe Fraizer, Sonny Liston against Floyd Patterson and the list goes on and on. Waldo USED to be able to deal with smaller men. But that's something that he has completely abandon in order to fight a safety first fight. Which does nothing for fans except the hardcore who would watch Waldo no matter what.

Little secret here. Uppercuts are the big man's weapon against the smaller man. Look at how McCline was able to do what Klitschko couldn't over 12 rounds. And then come back and tell me that Klitschko is the best in the world. :lol: He couldn't even drop Ibragimov over 12 rounds when Austin was able to.

also why does peter seem to barrel into wladimir head first? so he can get inside wladimir's punches for a REST. why does he want a rest? because taking flush bombs on the melon is bound to tired even the toughest fighters out there.

He wasn't barreling in. He was trying to get within range to punch. You can't possibly understand this if you don't see it with a rational mind. A taller opponent has only to step out of range to avoid your punches. So you must step in twice as much to reach his chin. This is why smaller guys like Sam Peter and David Tua reach with left hooks. Because they have to. And if the fight should ever get within their normal range, they are tied up and not allowed to punch back. Something which should be illegal in boxing but is allowed to continue.

if peter stayed outside and tried to wing haymakers he would have been ko'ed by the mid rounds. if peter tried to get on the inside but tuck his arms in in order to do some actual WORK instead of opening them wide for a big hug, then he might have had more success.

You don't get it. How the hell can you possibly punch a guy who jumps at you, and grabs your left arm and turns his back to your right? You can't stop that. I don't care who you are. Unless the guy doing it to you is so god awful slow you can time him attempting to do it. Otherwise you are fucked. Look at how far John Ruiz got being mediocre. I rest my case.

but no.... peter was getting ROYALLY FUCKED in that fight and every time he wanted a breather in he went for the big hug.

Man are you blind. I don't even suggest you rewatch the fight because you'll probably end up jerking off watching it. Obviously you weren't watching it to figure out what actually happened.

so again, wladimir either clinches in that situation, or gives peter free shots once peter recupperates.

Or he uses an uppercut. Which is what a big man ought to do against a smaller man inside. You know? Something to actually make it a fight and not a wrestling match.

peter lost the first fight. and he will lose the rematch in devastating fashion. and then FINALLY the haters will have to get new material!

No, he won't lose the rematch. Steward is turning your man into a one dimensional bum. A bum who can't even pull the trigger on an overwhelmed significantly smaller opponent who stays on the end of the jab all night. When his cheese tactics are limited and he has Sam Peter in front of him again, he is gonna get knocked out. Or disqualified. One of the two.

[Dorfmeister]

Not having solid skills and being a well schooled boxer doesn't automatically wins a cheater label for you. I don't think he aims for the back of the head but he relies much on power alone and not as much on technique or on punching precision. There are many awkward fighters out there who punch with the inside of the glove or "tricky" fighters who aim at the borderline and they don't get critisized as much.

[barneyrub]

wladimir will ko sam peter in a rematch. the video highlights the desperation of the wlad haters. in most of those clinches, peter causes them being the shorter man, he simply angles his head and charges forward as if trying to headbutt wladimir's chest.

wladimir naturally the taller fighter who isn't a inside fighter has two options. tie his man up (which peter was more than willing to comply) or raise his hands up over his head and say to peter "go on, hit me for free like mayorga".

also why does peter seem to barrel into wladimir head first? so he can get inside wladimir's punches for a REST. why does he want a rest? because taking flush bombs on the melon is bound to tired even the toughest fighters out there.

if peter stayed outside and tried to wing haymakers he would have been ko'ed by the mid rounds. if peter tried to get on the inside but tuck his arms in in order to do some actual WORK instead of opening them wide for a big hug, then he might have had more success.

but no.... peter was getting ROYALLY FUCKED in that fight and every time he wanted a breather in he went for the big hug.

so again, wladimir either clinches in that situation, or gives peter free shots once peter recupperates.

peter lost the first fight. and he will lose the rematch in devastating fashion. and then FINALLY the haters will have to get new material!Your taking nuthugging delusion to a new level, its obvious in the video that Wlad is lunging in so as to grab hold and lean on, you even see Sam pushing him off many times only for Wlad to lunge in again to attempt to grab the back of his kneck and hold on.
Even in round 12 when Wlad hit him and hurt him with that left hook, what did wlad follow it up with, he lunged in and leant on the back of Peter in hope that his weakened legs would be even more weakened by his weight which again the incompetent ref Randy Neuman did not warn him for. The only time ive seen a ref admonish Wlad for his holding was in the first Brewster fight and we all know what happened once he was told not to hold!

Wlads holding tactics
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[BoxingGuru]

Watch the James Toney fight. Toney DID NOT turn his back on Peter and Peter MEASURES UP TONEY'S HEAD AND AIMS FOR THE BACK OF IT WITH HIS RIDICULOUS CLUBBING ROUNDHOUSE SHOTS.

[BoxingGuru]

Good video.

Wlad showed int he Peter fight he has a real fear of getting hit, he hooks under peters arms around the neck the panic is so obvious.

Even when he manages to get off a one two in ring centre, his best place he still holds for dear ife not a tactical clinch but a desperation grab full of panic and fear.

Wlads mental state inside the boxing ring is very bad.,

Your mental state in life is worse. Who's the bigger star, who's richer, and who is a jackass who can't get laid?

Well we all know the answer to all those questions keyboard warrior.

[Sinew]

That is pretty pathetic boxing guru^

[Ambition_Def]

Your mental state in life is worse. Who's the bigger star, who's richer, and who is a jackass who can't get laid?

Well we all know the answer to all those questions keyboard warrior.

Waldo will never want to sleep with you. It's over. Deal with it.

[Punisher33]

Like you said Kobe is God, the ref should of at least warned Wlad and took a point away the next time he did it. I dont remember a ref taking a point away from Hagler, when he hit Hearns in the back of the head and got knocked down, or when Foreman hit Frazier in the back of the head as well and he went down, you turn your back to avoid a punch, thats illegal. So your telling me if you have your fighter hurt and you know he's about to go down, and he turns his back and puts his head down to avoid your punches, your suppose to stop and let ref step in? It just makes no sense IMO, if your oppenent turns his back in the fight, thats his problem and they deserve what they get.

[KobeIsGod]

".....in my opinion."

In my opinion Klitschko should have been penalized for turning his back "in an illegal manner."

fair enough but rabbit punching is "always" illegal so the ref should not allow it.

Like you said Kobe is God, the ref should of at least warned Wlad and took a point away the next time he did it.

I can agree with this but u must remember the rabbit punches mostly came when they were in clinches and Peter threw those looping shots. I would say Peter spun him as much as Wlad turned his head.

I dont remember a ref taking a point away from Hagler, when he hit Hearns in the back of the head and got knocked down, or when Foreman hit Frazier in the back of the head as well and he went down, you turn your back to avoid a punch, thats illegal. So your telling me if you have your fighter hurt and you know he's about to go down, and he turns his back and puts his head down to avoid your punches, your suppose to stop and let ref step in? It just makes no sense IMO, if your oppenent turns his back in the fight, thats his problem and they deserve what they get.

"It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head." Look, im not irrational. Wlad should have probably had a couple of pts taken away. But Peter should not have been awarded those Kds and deducted at least 2 or 3 pts. His fouls are much more damaging and could seriously injure a fighter. I don't know if he should have been DQ'ed but it's pretty clear this fight would have a double digit pts victory for Wlad if reffed properly with both men losing pts and peter losing at least 2 of the 3 kds.

I just don't want to hear how Wlad got away with murder in this fight. Peter fouled just the same and both should have been penalized. I think that's very fair.

[Punisher33]

fair enough but rabbit punching is "always" illegal so the ref should not allow it.



I can agree with this but u must remember the rabbit punches mostly came when they were in clinches and Peter threw those looping shots. I would say Peter spun him as much as Wlad turned his head.



"It is always illegal to hit a boxer in the back of the head." Look, im not irrational. Wlad should have probablt had a couple of pts taken away. But Peter should not have been awarded those Kds and deducted at least 2 or 3 pts. His fouls are much more damaging and could serious injure a fighter. I don't know if he should have been DQ'ed but it's pretty clear this fight would have a double digit pts victory for Wlad if reffed properly with both men losing pts and peter losing at least 2 of the 3 kds.

I just don't want to hear how Wlad got away with murder in this fight. Peter fouled just the same and both should have been penalized. I think that's very fair. I agree, the fight was fair IMO, both men used illegal tactics to win that fight, the ref let them handle the problem themselves.

I'm just sick of the Peter Haters claiming that Wlad would of won by a widder margin, because in all fairness, while Peter did hit Wlad in the back of the head, Wlad put his head into a few of them, it's just like a headbutt, if one fighter is trying to get inside, and butts him, it's unintentional. I just know when Foreman hit Frazier or when Hagler hit Hearns in the back of the head, the ref didnt take any points away, because it was clear that they tried to get away from there oppenent by turning there back, and they ended up getting caught with the punch in the back of the head.


Im going to rewatch the opening scenes in the dressing room before the Peter/Toney 1 fight, the ref addressed Toney in the locker room, he said something like " If you turn your back he's allowed to hit you ", Because Toney was complaining about punches in the back of the head, but I will rewatch it and get back to you on that.

[KobeIsGod]

Protect yourself at all times right. if you turn your head and get hit it is your own fault. if you are protecting yourself and get hit then its the ref's call at that point.
best way to keep it from happening if it is happening.

do it right back

so i guess if a guy brings a 2x4 into the ring its ok as long as the ref doesnt call it. :hey

the main job of the ref is to protect the fighters. peter hit klit in the back of the head several times in a clinch when wlad was facing peter. peter just spun him and looped his shot to the back of klit's skull. Those punches are illegal. end of story. ref newman was awful in since he allowed too much clinching for klit and rabbit punching for peter.

[Suge Green]

so i guess if a guy brings a 2x4 into the ring its ok as long as the ref doesnt call it. :hey

the main job of the ref is to protect the fighters. peter hit klit in the back of the head several times in a clinch when wlad was facing peter. peter just spun him and looped his shot to the back of klit's skull. Those punches are illegal. end of story. ref newman was awful in since he allowed too much clinching for klit and rabbit punching for peter.

I think this conversation has been rather circuitous because you refuse to recognize that Peter's rulereaking (I'm only calling it that for the sake of conversation), is a direct result of KLIT's rulebreaking (turning his head away in a fight). If KLIT wouldn't expose the back of his head while Peter is throwing, there would be no debate.

KLIT is basically running a red light through a busy intersection, and your complaining about the truck that slammed his ass.

If KLIT were the motorist I likened him to, he would do well to review the most basic of traffic laws...since he is a champion boxer, he would do well to review the most basic of referee's instructions..."protect yourself at alll times."

[KobeIsGod]

I think this conversation has been rather circuitous because you refuse to recognize that Peter's rulereaking (I'm only calling it that for the sake of conversation), is a direct result of KLIT's rulebreaking (turning his head away in a fight). If KLIT wouldn't expose the back of his head while Peter is throwing, there would be no debate.

KLIT is basically running a red light through a busy intersection, and your complaining about the truck that slammed his ass.

If KLIT were the motorist I likened him to, he would do well to review the most basic of traffic laws...since he is a champion boxer, he would do well to review the most basic of referee's instructions..."protect yourself at alll times."

fine. ill concede he willingly turned his back on him on a few occassions if u concede peter spun him and cracked him on the back of the head as well. but turning your back on a fighter is a far less damaging foul than rabbit punching.

[Suge Green]

fine. ill concede he willingly turned his back on him on a few occassions if u concede peter spun him and cracked him on the back of the head as well. but turning your back on a fighter is a far less damaging foul than rabbit punching.

I don't see a need to argue what's more damaging, that's obvious...turning your back on a fighter is the most damaging thing you can do in a fight...to yourself.

[Ambition_Def]

fine. ill concede he willingly turned his back on him on a few occassions if u concede peter spun him and cracked him on the back of the head as well. but turning your back on a fighter is a far less damaging foul than rabbit punching.

He didn't spin Waldo on that first knockdown. I suggest you watch it again. Right before that point Sam lands a flush left hook that sends Waldo spiraling to the canvas. He tries to grab Sam on the way down and Sam shrugs him off. And just as he throws a right hand Waldo spins his back to Sam and goes down. The punch hit him as he was already on his way to the canvas. Sam did not spin him nor did he punch him in the back intentionally.

[Punisher33]

I think this conversation has been rather circuitous because you refuse to recognize that Peter's rulereaking (I'm only calling it that for the sake of conversation), is a direct result of KLIT's rulebreaking (turning his head away in a fight). If KLIT wouldn't expose the back of his head while Peter is throwing, there would be no debate.

KLIT is basically running a red light through a busy intersection, and your complaining about the truck that slammed his ass.

If KLIT were the motorist I likened him to, he would do well to review the most basic of traffic laws...since he is a champion boxer, he would do well to review the most basic of referee's instructions..."protect yourself at alll times." Well said, you turn your back in the fight, you deserve what you get IMO.:good

[KobeIsGod]

He didn't spin Waldo on that first knockdown. I suggest you watch it again. Right before that point Sam lands a flush left hook that sends Waldo spiraling to the canvas. He tries to grab Sam on the way down and Sam shrugs him off. And just as he throws a right hand Waldo spins his back to Sam and goes down. The punch hit him as he was already on his way to the canvas. Sam did not spin him nor did he punch him in the back intentionally.

no. peter lands a solid left as wlad backs up at :35 of round 5. then peter and wlad are in a semi-clinch seconds later and peter loops a right hand connecting on the back of the head. And he was not going down before the punch landed. wlad's legs buckle right after the rabbit punch lands.

[Ramshall1]

Wlad turns his head and looks away, it was his fault.

[Suge Green]

no. peter lands a solid left as wlad backs up at :35 of round 5. then peter and wlad are in a semi-clinch seconds later and peter loops a right hand connecting on the back of the head. And he was not going down before the punch landed. wlad's legs buckle right after the rabbit punch lands.

If that's the case (which I'm not conceeding)...why was WLAD holding (not just in this instance, but all night)...??? Boxing fans are tired of a champion who won't fight...even PBF is considered more exciting than WLAD, and that includes KLIT's shaky chin factor.

[Ambition_Def]

no. peter lands a solid left as wlad backs up at :35 of round 5. then peter and wlad are in a semi-clinch seconds later and peter loops a right hand connecting on the back of the head. And he was not going down before the punch landed. wlad's legs buckle right after the rabbit punch lands.

Nope. He was on his way down. He tried to grab on to stay up and Sam pushed him off. And he was on his way down. Watch the replay. Even if Sam didn't hit him he would have fallen.

[Punisher33]

Peter hurt Wlad in the 5th round with a left hook I believe, which stunned Wlad, forcing him to latch on to Peter to stay up, Peter pushed Wlad off of him and pounded him to the ground, with a right hand that did hit Wlad on the back of the head, Wlad did put his head down, but Peter did give him a rabbit punch, it was tough call to make for the ref, because Wlad was hurt from the previous punch, and was at least disoriented, not sure what I would of down if I was the ref that night.

[KobeIsGod]

If that's the case (which I'm not conceeding)...why was WLAD holding (not just in this instance, but all night)...??? Boxing fans are tired of a champion who won't fight...even PBF is considered more exciting than WLAD, and that includes KLIT's shaky chin factor.

look im clearly not neutral but i can understand why some people hate on his style. he fights very methodically and thoughtfully. people want to see fireworks. he's protecting his chin, no doubt about it. calling him afraid is pushing it imo. his last 4 fights ended in one-sided stoppages so one lackluster domination of a top 5 hw isnt enough to condemn the man. if his next fight against thompson or povetkin turns out like his last, i will begin to worry though. i hope he fights the Russian who will force him to throw more though.

despite his style i think a lot of people still want to watch him because they know he can end a fight at any moment with 1 punch. those type of boxers don't come around that often.

and yes he held/clinched too much against peter but has done very little in his last 5 fights so i think u should concede that much. remember, he was not that far removed from those 2 brutal losses to sanders and lamon.

Nope. He was on his way down. He tried to grab on to stay up and Sam pushed him off. And he was on his way down. Watch the replay. Even if Sam didn't hit him he would have fallen.

I just watched it so we'll just have to disagree.

[Suge Green]

and yes he held/clinched too much against peter but has done very little in his last 5 fights so i think u should concede that much. remember, he was not that far removed from those 2 brutal losses to sanders and lamon.





I'm happy to admit he held less, unfortunately he pinned down IGGY's foot for a good portion of the fight...even if he's not wrestling he finds a way to hold, he just did it with his foot in his last outing.

[Ramshall1]

Wlad does hold waaaaay too much, make Hatton look like Israel Vasquez. :)

[RUSKULL]

The fact that you need to use Ruiz, the undisputed champion of the two man tango, for your comparison shows how sorry KLIT is in this area...

...and holding is against the rules, refs are just a lot more tolerant of it right now for some reason. Just because they are insisting on clean fights less frequently, doesn't mean it's ok to hold all night...it's still pus and it's not boxing.

Sugie my brother, there is a fine line between clinching & holding. Clinching is legal, holding is not.

Besides, Klitschko has rarely clinched in his latest fights, in fact it's usually his opponents that are trying to clinch.

[Ramshall1]

Sugie my brother, there is a fine line between clinching & holding. Clinching is legal, holding is not.

Besides, Klitschko has rarelt clinched in his latest fights, in fact it's usually his opponents that are trying to clinch.

BS, clenching is simply another word for holding. . . ITS ILLEGAL.
The sooner boxing enforces the rule and puts a stop to this boring crap the better.

[RUSKULL]

I'm happy to admit he held less, unfortunately he pinned down IGGY's foot for a good portion of the fight...even if he's not wrestling he finds a way to hold, he just did it with his foot in his last outing.

Brother Suge, it's quite common for there to be a lot of foot stepping on when an orthodox fighter fights a southpaw. This fight was no different. Also, due to Ibragimov's leaning back and waiting to counter approach, Wlad was the aggressor and therefore his foot would be moving forward while Iggy's was planted. That may account for why Iggy didn't step on Klit's foot nearly as much as Klit stepped on his.

I'm here to help...............:D

[RUSKULL]

BS, clenching is simply another word for holding. . . ITS ILLEGAL.
The sooner boxing enforces the rule and puts a stop to this boring crap the better.

Clinching IS legal, check with your local library and get yourself a book on boxing 101.

[Ramshall1]

Clinching IS legal, check with your local library and get yourself a book on boxing 101.



Semantics :roll:, its another word for holding . .. its illegal.

[Ramshall1]

WBA Referee Manual FOULS



HOLDING

[Only registered and activated users can see links] attention. Some boxers work on using this illegal tactic. Holding is one of the most obvious poor tactics in the sport of boxing. It not only infuriates the fans, but it negates action during the bout. Therefore, it should be addressed accordingly.
This foul occurs in various forms. A boxer may hold his opponent's arms, hands, body, or shoulders with either of his hands or arms.
At times, the holding boxer is not to blame as when one boxer pushes or leans on his opponent and the latter loses balance and holds on.
It should be noted that when one of the boxers pushes his arms underneath the arms of his opponent, does not withdraw them, and his opponent then delivers blows, the Referee should not interrupt this counter attack, but rather admonish the boxer pushing his arms underneath.
Suitable hand signal: Mimic the type of holding, clenching or wrestling.

[Suge Green]

Brother Suge, it's quite common for there to be a lot of foot stepping on when an orthodox fighter fights a southpaw. This fight was no different. Also, due to Ibragimov's leaning back and waiting to counter approach, Wlad was the aggressor and therefore his foot would be moving forward while Iggy's was planted. That may account for why Iggy didn't step on Klit's foot nearly as much as Klit stepped on his.

I'm here to help...............:D

Thanks...:roll:

This was not a case of orthodox vs. unorthodox...it's a case of KLIT doing anything with an attitude that says, "it's only cheating if the ref has a problem with it..."

Sure there are times when this happens when a conventional fighter faces a southpaw, but it's easy to differentiate between a fighter doing it on purpose like I'm saying, and accidentally as you suggest...

A fighter who isn't using it as part of there strategy won't throw blows when standing on the fighters foot, he will take his foot off of his opponent then strike.

There were times in the fight where, when KLIT stepped on IGGy's foot, he seemed to not like his footing...causing him to adjust by stepping more squarely on IGGy's foot (of course followed by strikes).

Skull, it was so blatant that you are the first person to try suggesting it wasn't intentional...:smoke

[Suge Green]

Semantics :roll:, its another word for holding . .. its illegal.

You are completely correct, but don't expect to be rewarded with a logical response from the KLIT-ites...to view this sensibly would require admitting that KLIT's whole strategy is illegal and is in fact, not even boxing.

[Brand]

Wlad does hold waaaaay too much, make Hatton look like Israel Vasquez. :)
BS, Hatton holds just as much if not more. watch Hatton vs Juan Urango or Tszyu

[Ramshall1]

You are completely correct, but don't expect to be rewarded with a logical response from the KLIT-ites...to view this sensibly would require admitting that KLIT's whole strategy is illegal and is in fact, not even boxing.

I wouldnt go that far but I see your point, although you cant put ALL the blame on Wlad . . . if the ref doesnt enforce the rule, its his fault too. . . if the boxing commissions dont make the refs enforce the rules its their fault too. . . .its kinda like when Kobe Bryant travels and doesnt get called for it. They let him get away with it so of course he's gonna do it.

But yes it is clearly illegal and any argument otherwise is pretty absurd.

[Ramshall1]

BS, Hatton holds just as much if not more. watch Hatton vs Juan Urango or Tszyu

I was exagerating to make a point, but Wlad does hold more than Hatton on the whole.

[Suge Green]

I wouldnt go that far but I see your point, although you cant put ALL the blame on Wlad . . . if the ref doesnt enforce the rule, its his fault too. . . if the boxing commissions dont make the refs enforce the rules its their fault too. . . .its kinda like when Kobe Bryant travels and doesnt get called for it. They let him get away with it so of course he's gonna do it.

But yes it is clearly illegal and any argument otherwise is pretty absurd.

I do go that far because an integral part of his current style is not even permitted. The fact that the refs don't care doesn't help his case in my eyes...does he want to be the people's champ or the ref's champ...???

If KOBE travels, it's traveling...regardless what the officials say, the athlete and the fans know.

[Brand]

I was exagerating to make a point, but Wlad does hold more than Hatton on the whole.
:good Hatton holds more IMHO. only fight i thought wlad held excessively was against Peter. i agree he should have been warned or penalized

[Ramshall1]

I do go that far because an integral part of his current style is not even permitted. The fact that the refs don't care doesn't help his case in my eyes...does he want to be the people's champ or the ref's champ...???

If KOBE travels, it's traveling...regardless what the officials say, the athlete and the fans know.

right, its his fault. . . but its also the refs and the comisses fault for allowing it. These rules need to be enforced across the board.

[Bubba]

Peter is a big cheater!

He hits behind the head all the time.

And he also punches low!!