What KO was more shocking?? Jones-Tyson

[Mind Reader]

Ive heard a few people talk about this so im curious to know what people think.

To me it was more shocking when Tyson lost for multiple reasons. In the first Tarver fight i realized for the first time that Jones was beatable by this man. I thought Jones pulled a close decision but showed vulerabilites that I have never seen in him. Before the first fight I thought it was simply impossible for Tarver to win. Afterwords going into the second fight I found myself nerveous beacause I realized that Tarver posed a huge threat in this point in Roys carrer, plus I realized Tarver was super determined. Was I shocked at the KO well yeah ofcourse, everyone was.

Going into the Buster fight I thought of Tyson as unstoppable with no weaknesses displayed. As the fight started I realized Tyson wasn't near at 100 percent but It looked as if Tyson was finally gonna get him out of there when he was KOed.

So for me the Shocker of these both Shockers is owned by Buster Douglas.

anythoughts?

[Alo2006]

Got to say Jones, I was shocked when he hit the canvas. Even more shocked when he hit the canvas the second time

[carras]

tyson, that was just huge..

[Mind Reader]

james buster was a 40-1 underdog. the fight was a much bigger upset.


roy got ktfo out of nowhere so it had more of an instant shock value.


Roy did have an instant shock to it, and Tyson was struggling bad with Douglas, but it was that knockdown Tyson scored on Buster made me think it would be over, to get up and KO Tyson was pretty instantly shocking to me.

[Mind Reader]

Also the way Roy had a strong first round, then in the second Roy started looking like he was gonna be backed up again on the ropes, Tarver looked way more agressive in the second round.... Ill never forget that feeling in my gut though when Roy dropped..I knew it was possible but had to see it to believe it.

[smokey]

Roy did have an instant shock to it, and Tyson was struggling bad with Douglas, but it was that knockdown Tyson scored on Buster made me think it would be over, to get up and KO Tyson was pretty instantly shocking to me.

Tyson was getting beat up the whole fight, though. The question is about which KO was more shocking. I don't think anyone who saw that fight was THAT suprised by the time Mike got dropped. His aura of invinvibility had been shattered already. Most people who followed boxing thought Mike was cruising for a loss. He had started to slow and just rely on the one punch KO. Then there was his new corner of absolute know-nothings. I think the LOSS was more suprising than the Jones loss, but the Jones KO was more shocking than the Tyson KO.

[Mind Reader]

Tyson was getting beat up the whole fight, though. The question is about which KO was more shocking. I don't think anyone who saw that fight was THAT suprised by the time Mike got dropped. His aura of invinvibility had been shattered already. Most people who followed boxing thought Mike was cruising for a loss. He had started to slow and just rely on the one punch KO. Then there was his new corner of absolute know-nothings. I think the LOSS was more suprising than the Jones loss, but the Jones KO was more shocking than the Tyson KO.

I can definietly see what your saying:good

[lefthook31]

I wasnt suprised that Jones got KO'd I knew eventually it would happen, but to see Tyson get dominated and knocked out was something. I never expected it, and either did the oddsmakers making Douglas a 40-1 underdog or whatever it was.

[VX.Nefarious]

Tyson's I still cant believe it

[itsa huge bitch]

jones was more shocking to me..said it beofre tyson losing didnt really surprise me..

[Robney]

If you say Jones, you were probably either very young or not even born in 1990... It litterally shook the world back then.
Jones being KO'd was a shock, Tyson being KO'd by underachiever Douglas was a massive earthquake! :deal

[Faerun]

Tyson obviously as Tarver was at least considered somewhat capable of giving Jones a fight especially after the close first bout. Douglas on the other hand was a HUGE underdog.

But as Mind Reader mentioned, Jones was KOed out of nowhere early in the fight after having a decent start whereas Douglas tooled Tyson the entire fight bar round 9.


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[mrtony80]

Ive heard a few people talk about this so im curious to know what people think.

To me it was more shocking when Tyson lost for multiple reasons. In the first Tarver fight i realized for the first time that Jones was beatable by this man. I thought Jones pulled a close decision but showed vulerabilites that I have never seen in him. Before the first fight I thought it was simply impossible for Tarver to win. Afterwords going into the second fight I found myself nerveous beacause I realized that Tarver posed a huge threat in this point in Roys carrer, plus I realized Tarver was super determined. Was I shocked at the KO well yeah ofcourse, everyone was.

Going into the Buster fight I thought of Tyson as unstoppable with no weaknesses displayed. As the fight started I realized Tyson wasn't near at 100 percent but It looked as if Tyson was finally gonna get him out of there when he was KOed.

So for me the Shocker of these both Shockers is owned by Buster Douglas.

anythoughts?

You know what? I first realized RJJ was beatable against Montell Griffin. But that's a whole other discussion. Anyway, while the Tarver KO was shocking - I heard the news at work, and swore up and down the guy who told me was fucking with me until I got home a saw for myself...it was shocking, but nothing comes close to what Douglas did. One of the biggest upsets in SPORTS history, imho...

[Uncle Rico]

Well, I was only three years old when Douglas knocked Tyson out. So I'd have to say the Jones-Tarver KO was the bigger shock to me.

But overall, it doesn't come close to matching Tyson-Douglas.

[mrtony80]

btw, anyone who votes Jones HAS to be young. I was 10 in '90, but already very much into boxing. Even back then, I realized how big of an upset it was. I can't imagine anyone who was grown enough to understand what was going on in 1990 voting for the Jones KO over Tyson.

[Robney]

for myself...it was shocking, but nothing comes close to what Douglas did. One of the biggest upsets in SPORTS history, imho...
Indeed, it was like the Dutch becoming Baseball world champions or something silly like that :yep ...Hey wait a minute! :think









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[ThereIsOnlyOne]

Would it be safe to say Tyson Douglas is the biggest shock result in boxing history? (Not that my knowledge dates back particularly far being a spritely 24 year old)

[pmfan]

Ive heard a few people talk about this so im curious to know what people think.

To me it was more shocking when Tyson lost for multiple reasons. In the first Tarver fight i realized for the first time that Jones was beatable by this man. I thought Jones pulled a close decision but showed vulerabilites that I have never seen in him. Before the first fight I thought it was simply impossible for Tarver to win. Afterwords going into the second fight I found myself nerveous beacause I realized that Tarver posed a huge threat in this point in Roys carrer, plus I realized Tarver was super determined. Was I shocked at the KO well yeah ofcourse, everyone was.

Going into the Buster fight I thought of Tyson as unstoppable with no weaknesses displayed. As the fight started I realized Tyson wasn't near at 100 percent but It looked as if Tyson was finally gonna get him out of there when he was KOed.

So for me the Shocker of these both Shockers is owned by Buster Douglas.

anythoughts?

You're right. Tyson was more shocking at the time for me anyway (at least for the reasons you pointed out). Especially how dominant Douglas was from the opening, with the exception of the one uppercut Iron Mike landed. He beat Tyson from pillar to post for the other parts of that fight, even more so than Evander did.

[Rob887]

Tyson easily in my opinion.

[bronx]

the tyson KO came over a period of rounds and you kinda saw it coming

the Jones KO was just so sudden and unexpected that I voted for Jones

[motorcity]

The Jones KO was more shocking and more entertaining to watch. I had it on tape when it first happened and kept rewinding it and and playing it in slow motion. The look on the people in the crowd when Jones was dropped in slow motion is priceless.

[orriray59]

People who voted the Jones loss really weren't alive back in 1990, or old enough to remember anything.

Douglas dominating Tyson would be like Devon Alexander dominating 2008 Floyd Mayweather.

[mking]

Jones, Tyson has been Koed before! we watched superman lose his powers.

[Shogun Assassin]

People who voted the Jones loss really weren't alive back in 1990, or old enough to remember anything.

Aren't you like 12 brah?.

[beefman180]

Tyson lost in his prime. Roy didn't. That alone makes it more shocking.

[BrooklynMumin]

tyson was an asswhoopin, i saw it coming. Jones was a shock.

[Jojoba]

Tyson's I still cant believe it

Haha!! Feel you brother.

Jones wasn't really a shock, Tarver had beaten 7 shades of shit out of him already but was just denied by corrupt judging.

[Sunchild78]

I have to go with Jones on this one. At least Tyson held on and fought back before his KO. Jones just got KTFO....lol. Then he decided to lay there for awhile....lol.

[Post Box]

I wasn't old enough to remember either. I feel left out, fuck you all

[megavolt]

Too young to see the Tyson upset, wasn't into boxing yet for the Jones KO. But common sense tells me that the Jones KO was more sudden, thus would likely be more shocking to the average viewer, but I see the point that Tyson had just scored a KD which added to the shock value of his KO loss.

[demigawd]

Between the results of the first fight and the "any excuses tonight, ROY?" line, I was already on full alert for the upset, therefore it was more surprising than shocking. Jones had already lost his aura of invincibility by then.

The Buster Douglas beatdown came out of nowhere. THAT was a major shocker because, to the public at least, Tyson still had his aura of invincibility, especially against some fat nobody like Douglas.

I'll admit that the suddenness of the punch that did Jones in was more jarring than the accumulation of punches over the course of the fight that did Tyson in, but I'm not sure that's what TS meant with his question.

[KO KIDD]

Tyson by a mile

Tyson was a much larger underdog he was younger than Jones and showed no signs of slipping

Jones was mid to upper 30's just struggled in the toughest fight of his career vs the same guy who goes on to KO him

Yes nobody expected Jones to be KO'd but defeat seemed possible

Tyson defeat was not even a thought

what were the Tarver jones 2 odds

[Rampage]

this shouldn't even be a debate. tyson-douglas was by far the most shocking upset to ever happen in all of sports. douglas was a 42-1 underdog...come on. whoever said jones-tarver is delusional.

[pmfan]

People who voted the Jones loss really weren't alive back in 1990, or old enough to remember anything.

Douglas dominating Tyson would be like Devon Alexander dominating 2008 Floyd Mayweather.

You might be understating it. Buster was probably at a level below Alexander, although he was a contender.

[pmfan]

Tyson lost in his prime. Roy didn't. That alone makes it more shocking.

Some Tyson supporters will claim that he was over the hill, even though he was 23 at the time.

But you are right. He was in his athletic prime by any standards. If he didn't train hard, or if his technique fell apart when he was challenged by a sharp boxer, that's his fault and should be held against him in determining his greatness.

[pmfan]

this shouldn't even be a debate. tyson-douglas was by far the most shocking upset to ever happen in all of sports. douglas was a 42-1 underdog...come on. whoever said jones-tarver is delusional.

Well, besides Upset beating Man O War.

[kopejh]

You might be understating it. Buster was probably at a level below Alexander, although he was a contender.

Buster was at least ten times the fighter Alexander is

[Imperial1]

Jones for me .. The man was virtually untouchable for 15 yrs at least with Tyson it happened over a course of a few rds .A shock still but nothing to getting KO ed in the 2nd .

[pmfan]

Buster was at least ten times the fighter Alexander is

I think he proved he was better by that performance against Tyson. But that's not the question. We're talking about expectations of Douglas based on what he did before he fought Tyson. Before his fight with Tyson, he was a problematic contender who had shown promise in big fights but had not fulfilled it. There was one particular fight in which he was ahead but then stunk out the rest of the fight (against Tony Tucker maybe?). Alexander had at least some sort of belt at one point, right?

I think Alexander would not have been a 42-1 underdog as Douglas was. Probably 10-1 or maybe even less.

[DudeGuyMan]

Historically Tyson's defeat was far more shocking and unexpected. Personally, Jones shocked me more.

[Slacker]

Fighters can be great for two different reasons. Physical ability or skill.

In cases like Ali, Jones, Whittaker, Hammed... incredible athleticism lets them simply out perform opponents. However, those reflexes and speed are guaranteed to fade in time.

Jones had horrible fundamentals but it didn't matter because he could swim without getting wet and look good doing it.

The other type of legendary fighter is amazing because of technique. Hopkins, Tyson, Joe Louis... these guys have a longer shelf life because technique doesn't fade, and they can compete as long as their body will stay in condition.

Tyson, while known for his power, had textbook perfect technique that gave him that explosiveness.

So, to me, watching both guys.. I never expected to see Tyson lose. He was faster, stronger, patient, more skilled and just... beastly. He had an answer for anything the other guy came with and when he didn't have an answer, he just unleashed the fury and KTFO of them. Watching him fight was like watching Flo Jo sprint on the juice or Gianna Michaels shake her boobies...just amazing and unnatural.

Jones on the other hand, was amazing but you could see that he was able to stay two steps ahead because of amazing reflexes and speed. It was possible, but unlikely, that eventually he would zig when he should have zagged and get caught.

[Antigoon]

I was 18 at the time of Tyson's loss and although it wasn't a "Everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news that JFK got shot!" moment, but it sure was close...
I think Tyson was quite a bigger name globally, than RJJ ever was.

[Slacker]

I was 18 at the time of Tyson's loss and although it wasn't a "Everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news that JFK got shot!" moment, but it sure was close...
I think Tyson was quite a bigger name globally, than RJJ ever was.

I was about that same age at the time and I remember exactly where I was (sitting at my desk) and everyone talking about it.

The few times I remember where I was when I heard a news story:

Space Shuttle Columbia explosion (sitting at my desk in grade school watching it live)

Mike Tyson losing to Douglas (again sitting at a desk)

My Baby Mamma telling me she was pregnant (chow hall on Keesler Air Force Base)

Learning that my dad just died (walking out of a barber shop, opening my car door when the phone rang)

9/11 (driving to work)

Reading that US troops were deploying to Iraq (London England, on vacation)

Ronald Reagan dying (Salt Lake City airport)