Top 5 reasons Sam Peter beats Oleg Maskaev

[Brian123]

Why only 5 you ask? Because the 25 other reasons would take to long to write!

1. Maskaev is nearly 40 years old

2. Has not fought since 2006

3. Two herniated discs and a bulging disc in the span of a year (if he is 100% he is a medical miracle!)

4. Matchups/styles make fights and this one is good for Peter

5. Maskaev has not had a KO in 3 years and can't go the distance out of shape and with a bad back.

(6. Don King!)

I like Oleg and Peter is an average fighter at best but this one should be a no-brainer.

[Caper]

I agree Sammy will win, but I'm leaning towards a TKO.

[NBT]

I agree, if Peter can't win this one he is an even worse bum than we all already know he is. Maskaev is there for the taking, almost any contender could beat Oleg right now.

btw Oleg's china chin should definitely be in the top 5, certainly a better reason than "styles make fights" because you can barely describe Peters ring actions as a "style".

[ocelot]

Two words: Ring Rust.
That, and because he has to ko Peter. King won't allow a decision to derail Peter's future earning potential. This will be Maskaev's farewell performance.

[Brian123]

[quote=NBT]

btw Oleg's china chin should definitely be in the top 5quote]

You are 100% right but it's been talked about so much I skipped it.

[Punisher33]

I'm a huge Peter fan, but Maskaev should not be overlooked, he still has a ton of power and hasnt lost a fight in years, I believe he has won 11 or 12 straight. Peter should win this fight, but in Boxing, we all know weird shit can happen. I got it 70/30 for Peter, and I am perdicting a early knockout for Peter, who looks to be great shape and ready for the challenge at hand.

[petrozza]

5. Maskaev has not had a KO in 3 years and can't go the distance out of shape and with a bad back.

Maskaev has not had a KO in 3 years? :lol::lol::lol:

I guess you forgot Maskaev vs. Rahman II in 2006.... bad math or bad memory? or both?

[The Kurgan]

Up until the McCline fight, I would have favoured Peter by a mile. I've cut that down to half a mile, now that Peter has been shown to have questionable whiskers (being bounced off the canvas and nearly knocked out by a light hitter is not a good sign) and due to the fact that Peter has almost no defence at all.

Still, Maskaev is old, inactive, chinny and looked horrible in his last fight. It would take a miracle for him to win. A lot depends on their respective conditioning on the night; I don't trust Peter not to come in with a pot-belly and get his head turned into a water-balloon.

[brooklyn1550]

Up until the McCline fight, I would have favoured Peter by a mile. I've cut that down to half a mile, now that Peter has been shown to have questionable whiskers (being bounced off the canvas and nearly knocked out by a light hitter is not a good sign) and due to the fact that Peter has almost no defence at all.

Still, Maskaev is old, inactive, chinny and looked horrible in his last fight. It would take a miracle for him to win. A lot depends on their respective conditioning on the night; I don't trust Peter not to come in with a pot-belly and get his head turned into a water-balloon.

McCline is a hard hitter early in fights.

[BoxingGuru]

Why only 5 you ask? Because the 25 other reasons would take to long to write!

1. Maskaev is nearly 40 years old

2. Has not fought since 2006

3. Two herniated discs and a bulging disc in the span of a year (if he is 100% he is a medical miracle!)

4. Matchups/styles make fights and this one is good for Peter

5. Maskaev has not had a KO in 3 years and can't go the distance out of shape and with a bad back.

(6. Don King!)

I like Oleg and Peter is an average fighter at best but this one should be a no-brainer.

Ahem. Maskaev beat Rahman by knockout. Top reason your system is flawed.

He also beat livin Castillo by knockout, and it was less than 3 years ago.

Care to try again?

[Punisher33]

McCline is a hard hitter early in fights. Exactly, he put down then IBF champ Chris Bryd with one punch, Brock, Briggs, Peter, and Grant. He is far from light hitter early in fights, it's only later when he fatigues, does his power start to deplete.

[KobeIsGod]

I think everyone is overlooking the Vegas Strip Club and buffet factors.

ive got maskaev on a close pts victory. i expect a split decision by the judges however.

[The Kurgan]

McCline is a hard hitter early in fights.

Correction: he's a harder hitter early in fights, because after 4 or 5 rounds he's spent, like most boxers of his build.

If he is a big hitter early in fights, then he must not land much early in fights, considering that only 23 of his fights have ended by stoppage. That brings us back to the inescapable conclusion: Peter has no defence worth talking about except falling on his ass.

Now, if we can all agree that Maskaev is a much harder hitter in any round than McCline, then a lot will depend on (a) whether Maskaev has enough left to get off big punches and not get KO'd himself, and (b) whether Peter has bothered to learn how to block and slip punches. If it is (b), then the heavyweight division better watch out.

[petrozza]

If this goes to the scorecards, it's 100% in favor of Peter. Maskaev can win only by KO. Gotta land that uppercut and send Peter back to Nigeria....

[petrozza]

Up until the McCline fight, I would have favoured Peter by a mile. I've cut that down to half a mile, now that Peter has been shown to have questionable whiskers (being bounced off the canvas and nearly knocked out by a light hitter is not a good sign) and due to the fact that Peter has almost no defence at all.

Still, Maskaev is old, inactive, chinny and looked horrible in his last fight. It would take a miracle for him to win. A lot depends on their respective conditioning on the night; I don't trust Peter not to come in with a pot-belly and get his head turned into a water-balloon.

Peter was also bleeding against the light-hitting Toney and the fat middleweight had him stunned on a least one occasion.

[The Kurgan]

Exactly, he put down then IBF champ Chris Bryd with one punch, Brock, Briggs, Peter, and Grant. He is far from light hitter early in fights, it's only later when he fatigues, does his power start to deplete.

Michael Grant and Calvin Brock are hardly shining examples of iron chins. I will say, however, that the Byrd and Briggs knockdowns were impressive, but McCline has only show that kind of power twice. I doubt he can show it now he's hit middle-age.

[Haye]

I think the fact that Maskaev has not fought for about 9 years is a huge factor in this fight, particularly at his age. He is chinny as well, and Peter has to be the favourite here.

Maskaev is however a banger himself and is significantly more skilled then Peter, so its difficult to pick a winner here.

[ocelot]

I cannot see how old, inactive, injured, weak-chinned Maskaev is going to win this fight. Two years ago, he might have had a very good shot. But now? I don't see it happening.

[The Kurgan]

Peter was also bleeding against the light-hitting Toney and the fat middleweight had him stunned on a least one occasion.

True, although those fights showed us that Peter is a legitimate 12-round fighter and can follow a good offensive strategy (in the first fight, swarm and crowd; in the second fight, jab and flurry) if he's given it. One of Peter's problems is that he does not have a good strategist like Emmanuel Stewart or Enzo Calzaghe in his corner.

[brooklyn1550]

Correction: he's a harder hitter early in fights, because after 4 or 5 rounds he's spent, like most boxers of his build.

If he is a big hitter early in fights, then he must not land much early in fights, considering that only 23 of his fights have ended by stoppage. That brings us back to the inescapable conclusion: Peter has no defence worth talking about except falling on his ass.

Now, if we can all agree that Maskaev is a much harder hitter in any round than McCline, then a lot will depend on (a) whether Maskaev has enough left to get off big punches and not get KO'd himself, and (b) whether Peter has bothered to learn how to block and slip punches. If it is (b), then the heavyweight division better watch out.

The bottom line is that McCline does have big power early on, and the fact that he has knocked down several top heavyweights early proves this. You get a 6-6, 270 pound man putting everything into his shots with good technique and snap and it's gonna hurt. And if you don't see it coming...

With that said, Maskaev carries his power late into fights, which makes him more consistently dangerous than McCline. If he can make it through the early/mid rounds, he stands a good chance of outworking/outmanuvering Peter down the stretch.

I agree with you about the defense part: Peter's defense needs a lot of work. He can't block too many punches with his head unless he wants his to say goodbye to his career by 30.

[petrozza]

True, although those fights showed us that Peter is a legitimate 12-round fighter

sure... when the other guy is barely capable of keeping his own balance and spends 90% of time against the ropes.

[Punisher33]

Michael Grant and Calvin Brock are hardly shining examples of iron chins. I will say, however, that the Byrd and Briggs knockdowns were impressive, but McCline has only show that kind of power twice. I doubt he can show it now he's hit middle-age. Mccline style is hardly aggressive though, if you watch his fight against Wlad, he pretty much layed back and let Wlad take control, afraid to engage. Mccline is a big man at 265-270, 6'6, of course the guy has power when he decides to step into his punches, like he did against guys like Peter, Bryd, Brock, and Briggs, all it takes is one punch for him to put a man with a above average to good chin to the canvas, it's stamina that holds him back from finishing his oppenents off when he has the chance.

[LennoxGOAT]

I am the opposite. I think Maskaev is far superior boxer to Peter and if goes the distance, it favors Oleg.

Peter needs to win by knockout, but he has never knocked out a live body.

So this is a really interesting fight, but ring rust prevails and Peter TKO"s him late probably....

[petrozza]

I am the opposite. I think Maskaev is far superior boxer to Peter and if goes the distance, it favors Oleg.

Not at all, considering that Peter has Don King on his side....

[ocelot]

Not at all, considering that Peter has Don King on his side....
Sooo true. And I'll bet Oleg knows this, which puts more pressure on him to get a ko.

[The Kurgan]

Mccline style is hardly aggressive though, if you watch his fight against Wlad, he pretty much layed back and let Wlad take control, afraid to engage. Mccline is a big man at 265-270, 6'6, of course the guy has power when he decides to step into his punches, like he did against guys like Peter, Bryd, Brock, and Briggs, all it takes is one punch for him to put a man with a above average to good chin to the canvas, it's stamina that holds him back from finishing his oppenents off when he has the chance.

If he's hardly aggressive, then that proves my point about Peter having only his beard and puppy-fat for defence.

[JMP]

Peter will massacre Oleg...mark my words!

[The Kurgan]

I agree with you about the defense part: Peter's defense needs a lot of work. He can't block too many punches with his head unless he wants his to say goodbye to his career by 30.

His problem is that he has nothing that he does for defence except throwing punches. He holds his gloves low, often leaves his chin hanging out, doesn't move his head, he can't slip punches, he has no height advantage and his shoulders are overmuscled so they can't roll properly. Add that to his inability to throw an uppercut, double up his punches or move his feet properly, and you have to wonder what he actually does in training.

[Brian123]

"I guess you forgot Maskaev vs. Rahman II in 2006."

I remember, the fight was stopped (TKO) is right though.

My point is he does not hit guys and put them down anymore.

[joe33]

I think the fact that Maskaev has not fought for about 9 years is a huge factor in this fight, particularly at his age. He is chinny as well, and Peter has to be the favourite here.

Maskaev is however a banger himself and is significantly more skilled then Peter, so its difficult to pick a winner here.

9 years?????

[petrozza]

I think Peter will try a blitzkrieg tactic. If Maskaev weathers the early storm and lands something semi-significant to remind Peter of his fight against McCline, expect Peter to become really cautious and go for a guaranteed decision win.

[The Kurgan]

9 years?????

Hyperbole.

[petrozza]

"I guess you forgot Maskaev vs. Rahman II in 2006."

I remember, the fight was stopped (TKO) is right though.

My point is he does not hit guys and put them down anymore.

Well, he did put Rahman down with a 1-2 combo in the 12th. On the other hand, when did Peter put someone down? The fluke jab KD against Toney doesn't count as Toney was fat, as always, and off balance.

[Brian123]

[quote=LennoxGOAT]I am the opposite. I think Maskaev is far superior boxer to Peter and if goes the distance, it favors Oleg.
quote]

Oleg in his prime or 75% would beat the dogshit out of Peter, agreed!

[brooklyn1550]

His problem is that he has nothing that he does for defence except throwing punches. He holds his gloves low, often leaves his chin hanging out, doesn't move his head, he can't slip punches, he has no height advantage and his shoulders are overmuscled so they can't roll properly. Add that to his inability to throw an uppercut, double up his punches or move his feet properly, and you have to wonder what he actually does in training.

He occasionally shows decent head movement (slipping jabs) and he can pick off punches.

He's trained hard for this fight. It's just that he's very limited and that isn't going to chance. Still, he's one of the best heavyweights in the world.

[The Kurgan]

He occasionally shows decent head movement (slipping jabs) and he can pick off punches.

Come on: when punches miss him or hit his gloves, it's because his opponent is anticipating him not to be totally stationary and is punching predictatively. If "deceptive lack of skill" counts as defence, Peter is a master of it.

He's trained hard for this fight. It's just that he's very limited and that isn't going to chance. Still, he's one of the best heavyweights in the world.

I don't expect him to transform into a fluid boxer-puncher, but as Mike Tyson and Sonny Liston showed, it's possible to be a one-track fighter with multiple ways of moving down that track.

[Ambition_Def]

I think Peter will try a blitzkrieg tactic. If Maskaev weathers the early storm and lands something semi-significant to remind Peter of his fight against McCline, expect Peter to become really cautious and go for a guaranteed decision win.

Fluke jab? God you are such a hater it's pathetic.

[petrozza]

Fluke jab? God you are such a hater it's pathetic.

Yes, the jab KD against Toney was a fluke. Toney wasn't hurt at all, he was just badly off balance. Are you going to try to prove the opposite?

[Punisher33]

Yes, the jab KD against Toney was a fluke. Toney wasn't hurt at all, he was just badly off balance. Are you going to try to prove the opposite? Toney was off balance, but to call it a fluke is a little much. Peter did have Toney hurt in there first fight, where Toney had to hold on to the ropes just to keep from going down.:deal

[brooklyn1550]

Come on: when punches miss him or hit his gloves, it's because his opponent is anticipating him not to be totally stationary and is punching predictatively. If "deceptive lack of skill" counts as defence, Peter is a master of it.


You're not giving him enough credit. You don't get as far as he has without any skill.

He does move his head every so often. Doesn't mean he has a good defense (in fact he has a very sub-par one), but he does move his head and pick off some punches. He slipped Sykes' jab, picked off some shots from Klitschko, showed improved defense against Toney in their second fight, and slipped some jabs early on from McCline. In that fight, he slipped some shots and countered.

[petrozza]

Peter did have Toney hurt in there first fight, where Toney had to hold on to the ropes just to keep from going down.:deal

And Toney had Peter stunned and bleeding from the nose, so?

[The Kurgan]

Yes, the jab KD against Toney was a fluke. Toney wasn't hurt at all, he was just badly off balance. Are you going to try to prove the opposite?

I wouldn't call it a fluke. I think it was a case of good timing and good snap behind the punch on the part of Peter. That said, Peter's problem is that his jab is very good but he lacks the guile to use it properly.

[Punisher33]

And Toney had Peter stunned and bleeding from the nose, so? He stopped him in his tracks, his legs didnt buckle or anything, bleeding? A Bryd jab could do that, any fighter could make another fighter bleed.

[The Kurgan]

You're not giving him enough credit. You don't get as far as he has without any skill.

He is actually a good fighter offensively, however what bothers me is that the few offensive flaws he has (the lack of an uppercut in particular) are so obvious and so easy to remedy. His problem is that he's effective at what he does and his trainers are clearly content to leave it at that.

He does move his head every so often. Doesn't mean he has a good defense (in fact he has a very sub-par one), but he does move his head and pick off some punches. He slipped Sykes' jab, picked off some shots from Klitschko, showed improved defense against Toney in their second fight, and slipped some jabs early on from McCline. In that fight, he slipped some shots and countered.

The thing is, which most boxers at the world level, anything Peter does would be totally instinctive. Even compared to a pretty basic boxer like Maskaev, Peter is very crude.

[brooklyn1550]

He is actually a good fighter offensively, however what bothers me is that the few offensive flaws he has (the lack of an uppercut in particular) are so obvious and so easy to remedy. His problem is that he's effective at what he does and his trainers are clearly content to leave it at that.


I can agree with you on that: a better trainer would help him. That's why I was pretty happy when he brought in Jesse Reid (who left for Tye Fields). If he could get some snap to his punches by bending his knees and getting his body to throw the punch, it would improve him greatly. Because after a few rounds or so, his punches become heavy handed clubbing shots with little impact power. They aren't KO shots.

[The Kurgan]

MAN YOU REALLY NEED TO WATCH SOME OF HIS FIGHTS!! HE THROWS UPPERCUTS AND HE BANGS TO THE BODY. WATCH THE DIAZ FIGHT WHEN HE FINISHES HIM OFF WITH A FLURRY OF SHOTS

He may throw uppercuts now and again, but not when they matter. If he'd thrown uppercuts against Wlad, he would have won. If he'd throw them against Toney, he could have at least knocked him down. When your opponent is ducking under your jabs and right hands, you want to slam in an uppercut. Peter tries to work the overhand right, hits people on the back of the head and gets in trouble for it.

Gerald McClellan did the same thing: Nigel Benn was practically begging for uppercuts and the G-Man would try to knock out Benn's spine.

[Marciano Frazier]

I'm reserving judgment for my prediction on this match until after the weigh-in. Right now, I see strong points for favoring either guy- on Maskaev's side is experience, skill, and what happened in Peter's last fight, while Peter has youth and Maskaev's age and inactivity.

[Rico Spadafora]

Exactly, he put down then IBF champ Chris Bryd with one punch, Brock, Briggs, Peter, and Grant. He is far from light hitter early in fights, it's only later when he fatigues, does his power start to deplete.


LOL. Brock has a weak chin, Briggs & Grant both have Glass Jaws. You think knocking down any of those guys proves something? Hell McCline outweighed Byrd by 50 pounds and could not KO him.

[Rico Spadafora]

Peter's a closer, Maskaev is not.

Well Maskaev closed against Rahman. Peter failed to close on a fat Toney and a joke in Jameel McCline. I think it is a 50/50 fight. The longer it goes the worse for Peter.

[Suge Green]

Well Maskaev closed against Rahman. Peter failed to close on a fat Toney and a joke in Jameel McCline. I think it is a 50/50 fight. The longer it goes the worse for Peter.

James "WBC Eliminator" Toney may be fat, but Jameel was no joke that night...in giving the performance of his career, I'd say his stock went up in the loss.

[Ambition_Def]

Good points. I have come to believe that Toney is just one of those cats that can't be chalked, though. IDK what happened with Decline though.

Toney is impossible to catch clean. Add that and his real frame at heavyweight how thick his neck is. Forget it. You might drop him on a balance shot but you are gonna have a lot of trouble hurting him. Sam only really hurt him when he was able to pin him with the forearm and put a right hand behind it.

I am probably not alone when I say that Waldo would not KO nor TKO Toney. Just wouldn't happen. Toney is probably salivating at the thought of Waldo punching himself out trying to get the KO.

McCline for his part is hard to rock too. And he has good recovery. Best bet is to just make him work and tire out. And pray he doesn't knock you silly in the process.