Kessler wont fight Miranda

[Pantera2000]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.

[IntentionalButt]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.

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[Beatboxer]

Kessler would defeat him.

Stylistically I believe the gung ho Miranda is made for him.

[bronx]

I would pay to see that one, lets go Miranda. But Kessler is no David Banks.

[IntentionalButt]

I would pay to see that one, lets go Miranda. But Kessler is no David Banks.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[billyconn]

How long has Miranda been missing?

[Pantera2000]

I would pay to see that one, lets go Miranda. But Kessler is no David Banks.

No. Kessler is the top SWM under Calzaghe.
Miranda is the hardest puncher at SMW.

It would be a war. Miranda would go for the kill and Kessler would use his great skills to keep Miranda away. A very tough fight for Edison, but I would love to see him pull of this upset.

[drvooh]

Kessler would defeat him.

Stylistically I believe the gung ho Miranda is made for him.
Seems as though Kessler's scared

[IntentionalButt]

No. Kessler is the top SWM under Calzaghe.
Miranda is the hardest puncher at SMW.

It would be a war. Miranda would go for the kill and Kessler would use his great skills to keep Miranda away. A very tough fight for Edison, but I would love to see him pull of this upset.

Look, I like Edison, but he would not be the aggressor in this fight and would be knocked out within eight rounds.

[Pantera2000]

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Kessler rejects Miranda clash!
Thursday, March 6 2008


Despite offers to hold the bout in a neutral location and significant offers from both HBO and Showtime for the television rights to the bout, handlers of Mikkel Kessler have walked away from a lucrative showdown with the feared ‘Pantera’, Edison Miranda. “Viking Warrior?” asked Miranda, referring to the former super middleweight champion’s nickname. “Kessler should turn his horned helmet in after disgracing such a tribe of true fighters. He talks like a fighter, has tattoos like he’s a tough guy, but when it comes down to being a real fighter, he’s not even worthy of carrying my gloves.” The fight between Miranda and Kessler was originally pitched for the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Florida, but that location was turned down. Seminole Warriors Boxing, Miranda’s promoter, immediately acquiesced and offered a neutral location for the bout – again, Kessler refused. Even extreme interest from HBO and Showtime couldn’t convince the Denmark native to fight the Colombian standout, even though a win over Miranda would help erase the memory of his decisive loss to Joe Calzaghe last November. “I have a message for Mikkel Kessler, or Kessler the Kitten as I call him after he gave away his belts without a fight last year," said Miranda. "Joe Calzaghe is not going to fight you again. What more does he have to prove after he slapped you around for 12 rounds? The only way you’re going to erase that loss from the fans' memories is if you beat a legitimate fighter like me, but you know you can’t beat me, that’s why you won’t take this fight. So my advice to you is to retire and leave the fighting to the men. I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."

[kirk]

actually, im glad... not a good fight for miranda right now IMO. He should go after Taylor, Mundine, Roy Jones Jr, Trinidad, Lacy....

Taylor and Lacy would be decent fights... he would own jones and trinidad imo. Bigger money with lesser risks and bigger names.. besides mundine that is. I think Kessler beats him so i dont want to see that fight until it has to be made.

[IntentionalButt]

actually, im glad... not a good fight for miranda right now IMO. He should go after Taylor, Mundine, Roy Jones Jr, Trinidad, Lacy....

Taylor and Lacy would be decent fights... he would own jones and trinidad imo. Bigger money with lesser risks and bigger names.. besides mundine that is. I think Kessler beats him so i dont want to see that fight until it has to be made.

Good post, I agree with everything. :thumbsup

[pioterbezkitu]

It would be like Kessler-Andrade with the difference that Miranda wouldn't last the distance.

[kirk]

But id be rooting for Pantera all the way! GO PANTERA!!!! my favorite active fighter

[Pantera2000]

actually, im glad... not a good fight for miranda right now IMO. He should go after Taylor, Mundine, Roy Jones Jr, Trinidad, Lacy....

Taylor and Lacy would be decent fights... he would own jones and trinidad imo. Bigger money with lesser risks and bigger names.. besides mundine that is. I think Kessler beats him so i dont want to see that fight until it has to be made.

I somewhat agree too.
The problem is that nobody wants to fight Pantera. Everyone is looking for an easy fight. They dont want to go up against a guy that can hurt you bad with one solid punch.

[kirk]

It would be like Kessler-Andrade with the difference that Miranda wouldn't last the distance. even though andrade and miranda fight nothing alike, dont have the same attributes or styles.

[IntentionalButt]

But id be rooting for Pantera all the way! GO PANTERA!!!! my favorite active fighter
How emotionally conflicted would you be for Miranda-Mayo at 160/8? :hey

And who wins?

[ad82]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.
Kessler fought Joe Calzaghe in front of 50,000 people so I somehow doubt he's afraid of Miranda!

Kessler is paid very well in Denmark so I seriously doubt Miranda's promoter could cough up enough money for a non-title fight.

[marauder1999]

Miranda says hes not even worthy of carrying his gloves? hmmm. Hahaha

[pioterbezkitu]

even though andrade and miranda fight nothing alike, dont have the same attributes or styles.

Both Miranda and Andrade swing wide, both have good power and poor defence. The difference is that Andrade is a natural SMW with a great chin. Kessler by stoppage, that's my pick

[kirk]

How emotionally conflicted would you be for Miranda-Mayo at 160/8? :hey

And who wins? That would suck... yes.. but remember, i had to endure Mayorga vs Vargas... that sucked :lol: :-(


Miranda vs Mayorga... well i like Miranda more then i like Mayorga as weird as that is, i didnt think a fighter would come along that would fill that space... but regardless of whod i root for i really think Miranda mauls Mayorga... too big :good good question though lol

[IntentionalButt]

That would suck... yes.. but remember, i had to endure Mayorga vs Vargas... that sucked :lol: :-(


Miranda vs Mayorga... well i like Miranda more then i like Mayorga as weird as that is, i didnt think a fighter would come along that would fill that space... but regardless of whod i root for i really think Miranda mauls Mayorga... too big :good good question though lol
That would be the smart money. IMO, El Matador could still turn it around with one punch though, even high above his optimal weight (and we know Miranda can be hurt).

[BigBone]

I don't think Kessler is running from Miranda. And what do you mean guys that you are glad that this fight isn't happening?

Are you kidding me?

BRING ON KESSLER-MIRANDA, N O W ! ! ! :D



I'm waiting for the Team Kessler side of the story because the official statement's style (trashing Kessler all the way) is like a bad promo... Probably the offer was low or Kessler's team never had serious negotiations... But Mikkel should jump on this opportunity if the HBO is interested because it's a great fight especially with the contrast between the styles and personalities...

This is a very good fight!

[Pantera2000]

Both Miranda and Andrade swing wide, both have good power and poor defence. The difference is that Andrade is a natural SMW. Kessler by stoppage, that's my pick

I would have to beleive that Miranda is a bigger guy than Andrade. I mean his last fight Pantera was in the ring at 192lbs. That is insane!

[Pantera2000]

.......................

[kirk]

Both Miranda and Andrade swing wide, both have good power and opoor defence.The difference is that Andrade is a natural SMW. Kessler by stoppage, that's my pick

Miranda hardly swings wide...

Mayorga and Andrade swing wide... miranda doesnt,in fact i RARELY see a true, wide, from the rafters wild haymaker. Most of the time the wildest he gets are overhand rights. he OFTEN throws straight right hands, short left hooks (well as short as they can be with his long arms) In fact his bread and butter is a plain ol left right, down the pipe. His footwork is better then andrades, his balance is better then andrades, his power is better then andrades, his punches ARENT wide like andrades,

The punch he knocked out banks with is basically the same type of right hand he throws everytime. A straight right.

Would be nothing like the andrade fight outside the outcome... and thats a kessler victory, i just think hes too fast and elusive for Miranda.

[h2hkiller]

Kessler has better technique than Miranda but Miranda is more powerful. I see this going the same way as Pavlik-Miranda.

[Quik]

Miranda looking to duck Pascal again...:-(





























Im joking i know hes looking for bigger fights but damn Pascal is the only one wanting to fight him so they should do this IMO...Miranda ripped Kessler real bad tought...

Kessler TKO 10 btw...

[IntentionalButt]

Kessler has better technique than Miranda but Miranda is more powerful. I see this going the same way as Pavlik-Miranda.

More powerful period? You must mean p4p?

[Vincent Gottschalk]

Looks like the over rated Eur-O-pean lacks guts:yep

[Pantera2000]

Miranda looking to duck Pascal again...:-(





























Im joking i know hes looking for bigger fights but damn Pascal is the only one wanting to fight him so they should do this IMO...Miranda ripped Kessler real bad tought...

Kessler TKO 10 btw...

Funny... I almost thought you were serious.
From what I am hearing that deal is falling apart since TV is not interested in Pascal. Too bad. I was thinking it would be a great stepup before Miranda fought someone like Kessler.

[Quik]

Funny... I almost thought you were serious.
From what I am hearing that deal is falling apart since TV is not interested in Pascal. Too bad.

Well i heard they're trying to make a deal with Showtime altought it might very well just be rumors.

A co-feature Pascal-Miranda / Ngoudjo-Urango




I was thinking it would be a great stepup before Miranda fought someone like Kessler.


Yea perhaps Kessler would have fought him after watching Pascal expose him...:lol::lol:

[Pantera2000]

Well i heard they're trying to make a deal with Showtime altought it might very well just be rumors.

A co-feature Pascal-Miranda / Ngoudjo-Urango





Yea perhaps Kessler would have fought him after watching Pascal expose him...:lol::lol:

That was the deal they were pitching, but nobody wants to see Miranda put your boy through the ropes, not HBO, not SHO, not even a high paid ESPN show....

[bronx]

Well i heard they're trying to make a deal with Showtime altought it might very well just be rumors.

A co-feature Pascal-Miranda / Ngoudjo-Urango





Yea perhaps Kessler would have fought him after watching Pascal expose him...:lol::lol:

Pascal doesn't stand a chance and he looked scared as hell after Miranda put David Banks to sleep.

[MrMagic]

Kessler would annihilate Miranda.
What happened to Pascal - Miranda, now there's at least a winable fight for Edison, Kessler is TOO much, bigger, stronger, more skilled, awesome jab. He would EAT Miranda up.

[bronx]

I want Miranda-Pascal damnit. :twisted:

For what Pascal has no chin, it would be over early. You can't win a fight on defense alone.

[Pantera2000]

:bart

Pascal UD

The only way Pascal does not get an ass beating from Miranda is if he fight doesnt come off. :yep

[MrMagic]

Mirandas biggest weakness is his mouth, he's calling out great fighters.. he's got balls, no doubt about it... Kessler, Calzaghe and all the other top 168lbs'ers would make Miranda look bad, really bad.
It would be worse than Kessler - Mundine... a lot worse :tired

[jecxbox]

oh man DAMNNN THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ASS SCRAP!!!!

[Quik]

For what Pascal has no chin, it would be over early. You can't win a fight on defense alone.

Ok he got hurt against Pittman but every good fighters get hurt at some points...The guy as never been down so give me a break about his chin...

[Pantera2000]

Ok he got hurt against Pittman but every good fighters get hurt at some points...The guy as never been down so give me a break about his chin...

Banks had never been off his feet before either. You saw what happened to him when he finally faced a top puncher.

Pascal got hurt pretty badly against Pittman. Pittman has nothing for power. Pantera would kill Pascal.

[Quik]

That was the deal they were pitching, but nobody wants to see Miranda put your boy through the ropes, not HBO, not SHO, not even a high paid ESPN show....

Oh well, Pascal will take more experience and these two will meet again one day and this time Pascal will hand his ass even more:yep

[Quik]

Banks had never been off his feet before either. You saw what happened to him when he finally faced a top puncher.

Pascal got hurt pretty badly against Pittman. Pittman has nothing for power. Pantera would kill Pascal.

He was hurt but not badly by Pittman when Pittman caught him flush...
He was hurt badly when he recieved Pittman's thumb in the eye...Rewatch the fight you'll see it.

Then Again Pascal is way faster than Banks and Miranda will be slow motion compared to him. You say Pascal never fought a top puncher...right...but Miranda never faced a guy with so much speed...

[Tuavale]

Pantera is a bad dude. Not many really want to spend the evening with him. Kessler looking for easier path back to the title. Kessler is the better boxer than Pantera but it sounds like he's not willing to risk going to war. I love the vitriol he throws out there. Win or lose, Miranda comes to fight.:smoke :smoke

[jecxbox]

Pantera is a bad dude. Not many really want to spend the evening with him. Kessler looking for easier path back to the title. Kessler is the better boxer than Pantera but it sounds like he's not willing to risk going to war. I love the vitriol he throws out there. Win or lose, Miranda comes to fight.:smoke :smoke

hell yea thats what I like about him, Pantera isn't in boxing to dick around hes here to do everythign he can to KO you the F out.

[Quik]

Pascal doesn't stand a chance and he looked scared as hell after Miranda put David Banks to sleep.

I wouldnt say "scared as hell"...He was shocked yea shocked but who wasn't...

[Pantera2000]

I wouldnt say "scared as hell"...He was shocked yea shocked but who wasn't...

Yea. It was pretty funny though.
Just good timing. After seeing Banks getting one punched through the ropes it is hard to react to Tesatore's question:
"So you want to fight that?" :lol:

[henrik]

miranda is a joke!!!he wasnt even able to finish arthur abraham in their fight,he was smashed by pavlik,IF fight kessler he wont win one single round...the way he´s trashtalking kessler makes me hope he actually get the fight...just to shut his fucking mouth up!!
i hate that guy,and have done that since the fight against AA...NO SPORTSMANSHIP whatsoever.

[LFC]

Why turn down a sure win? Kessler is really underrating himself if this is true.

Miranda talks a lot of shit for a guy who's best win is an old Howard Eastman.

[Quik]

miranda is a joke!!!he wasnt even able to finish arthur abraham in their fight,he was smashed by pavlik,IF fight kessler he wont win one single round...the way he´s trashtalking kessler makes me hope he actually get the fight...just to shut his fucking mouth up!!
i hate that guy,and have done that since the fight against AA...NO SPORTSMANSHIP whatsoever.

Well thechnically he beated AA by TKO but hey i agree with the rest of your post....

....But you have to admit he is funny....

[MrMagic]

miranda is a joke!!!he wasnt even able to finish arthur abraham in their fight,he was smashed by pavlik,IF fight kessler he wont win one single round...the way he´s trashtalking kessler makes me hope he actually get the fight...just to shut his fucking mouth up!!
i hate that guy,and have done that since the fight against AA...NO SPORTSMANSHIP whatsoever.
Don't worry mate.
If this fight comes off, they would scrape what's left of Edison from the canvas, and go away in embarrassment for a couple of months, and then crawl back @ 175lbs, claiming that he couldn't possibly make 168 and still have power, and by then Pantera would've called out Chad Dawson, claiming shit as usual :rofl

[PolishPummler]

Miranda would get schooled yet again.

He should target Andrade or Lacy.

Beating Banks doesnt mean SPIT.

[Quik]

Pantera2000, how bout Miranda/Bute??

[Pantera2000]

Pantera2000, how bout Miranda/Bute??

Id love that fight. I dont think there has been any interest from the Bute camp whatsoever. He seems to have his plans for the next year or so.

[Lampley]

I would favor Kessler big in this bout but would love to see it. Anyway, hopefully Mikkel will get his ass in hear soon. It's time for the mourning period to end and for him to resume his career.

My guess is he ends up fighting Taylor. Jermain has enough drawing power and HBO backing that he could potentially bring enough money to the table to satisfy Palle.

Miranda would be well-advised to steer clear of Kessler, at least for now. He also should want a crack at Taylor or Lacy. There are lots of good options for him. He would crush Pascal.

[henrik]

Well thechnically he beated AA by TKO but hey i agree with the rest of your post....

....But you have to admit he is funny....
he think he´s gods gift to boxing...
but yeah he´s funny...

[henrik]

Don't worry mate.
If this fight comes off, they would scrape what's left of Edison from the canvas, and go away in embarrassment for a couple of months, and then crawl back @ 175lbs, claiming that he couldn't possibly make 168 and still have power, and by then Pantera would've called out Chad Dawson, claiming shit as usual :rofl

:D :D so true!!

[Bodysnatcher]

Kessler should jump at this chance if HBO are interested. Great way to launch himself into the big time.

Kessler's accuracy is fantastic and Miranda's head is always an open target.

As someone said above, the outcome would be similar to Pavlik/Miranda.

[Carlos Primera]

He was hurt but not badly by Pittman when Pittman caught him flush...
He was hurt badly when he recieved Pittman's thumb in the eye...Rewatch the fight you'll see it.

Then Again Pascal is way faster than Banks and Miranda will be slow motion compared to him. You say Pascal never fought a top puncher...right...but Miranda never faced a guy with so much speed...
pittman was tagging him clean, a single miranda overhand would annihalate pascal.

[joeboxer]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.I find this hard to believe. I would pick Kessler to win easily over Miranda. There is no source or link and therefore no credibility.

[bigtime-skills]

miranda is a joke!!!he wasnt even able to finish arthur abraham in their fight,he was smashed by pavlik,IF fight kessler he wont win one single round...the way he´s trashtalking kessler makes me hope he actually get the fight...just to shut his fucking mouth up!!
i hate that guy,and have done that since the fight against AA...NO SPORTSMANSHIP whatsoever.

Man please, go to church lames..................

This is why the sport is going "down the tube," NO CHARISMA...........SO WHAT is Miranda, Mayorga, Floyd talks a lot, it's called "MARKETING THE FIGHT.":patsch

That would be the intrigue to see if Kessler, who obviously has the better skills, can shut Miranda up.

This is boxing, and I want my fighters, tough, and not giving a fuck about ANY OTHER FIGHTER and with extreme confidence.........

[Dojo]

I find this hard to believe. I would pick Kessler to win easily over Miranda. There is no source or link and therefore no credibility.

You forgot to mention the name of the thread starter too.:think

[goldenboy]

kessler might change his mind after having his manhood questioned...

[Shaolin Box]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Gotta give it Miranda, the guy talks a good game. Kessler is now the official Miranda BITCH!!

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[Pantera2000]

I find this hard to believe. I would pick Kessler to win easily over Miranda. There is no source or link and therefore no credibility.

You forgot to mention the name of the thread starter too.:think

Read the thread before you post something stupid.
The article is on page 1

[Dojo]

Read the thread before you post something stupid.
The article is on page 1

Calm down buddy...:lol:
I read the thread. I just see Miranda as the perfect fight for Kessler, Mundine or Bute, because he has a name, and I think all would beat him.

[Pantera2000]

Calm down buddy...:lol:
I read the thread. I just see Miranda as the perfect fight for Kessler, Mundine or Bute, because he has a name, and I think all would beat him.

Gotcha :good

[bmf95b]

Look, I like Edison, but he would not be the aggressor in this fight and would be knocked out within eight rounds.


Kessler could not stop Andrade so why do you all think Miranda would be KOed?

[bmf95b]

Kessler the Kitten....

[bmf95b]

He hit Andrade FLUSH/SQUARE on the mugg several times, no cuts, swelling, ect.. on his face. I think Miranda would F#ck this dude up.

[bmf95b]

I find this hard to believe. I would pick Kessler to win easily over Miranda. There is no source or link and therefore no credibility.


Looks like this is the only boxing site you visit. Link is at Fight news bro.

[MrMagic]

The thing is, Kessler wants a title fight right away.
If he doesn't get that, then he should opt for this fight, it would be a solid win... not great however

[MasterFlo]

I'm sure Kessler has his reasons, Miranda can't just go calling everyone out and saying they're pussies when they don't accept. Miranda just got beaten badly by Pavlik and then knocked out C-level fighter in David Banks, I don't see him anywhere near the most feared fighter and I think his head has grown with all of this hype. He should fight Pascal and be happy with just that, he isn't in Kessler's league.

[ad82]

Oh yeah, cause Kessler beat ALL TIME GREAT Marcus Beyer and lost a decision to Calslappy.

Everyone defending Kessler here is a Calzaghe fan, I've seen this on every single boxing board on the internet. :good

He had a great offer on HBO AND Showtime, and if it's such an easy fight why doesn't he take it.
Cause Miranda will knock him out, that's why.
:patsch You seriously don't have a clue, Miranda against Kessler wouldn't even be competitive. Miranda has found his level and is just about a top 10 fighter while Kessler is a double world champion with a huge future.

[MasterFlo]

Oh yeah, cause Kessler beat ALL TIME GREAT Marcus Beyer and lost a decision to Calslappy.

Everyone defending Kessler here is a Calzaghe fan, I've seen this on every single boxing board on the internet. :good

He had a great offer on HBO AND Showtime, and if it's such an easy fight why doesn't he take it.
Cause Miranda will knock him out, that's why.

I don't even think I can argue something so foolish. Anyway, there are about 10 more qualified fighters Kessler could be fighting, just because he doesn't want to sink down and fight Miranda doesn't make him scared, it makes him smart.

[scorpy]

We don't really know what kind of money Kessler would have got. Maybe he's in negociations for an even better payday or a similar payday but vs a lower risk fighter.

I wish we could know, then we could make up our minds about Kessler "ducking" Miranda or not but since it's impossible to know, I wont pass "judgement".

[Shaolin Box]

We don't really know what kind of money Kessler would have got. Maybe he's in negociations for an even better payday or a similar payday but vs a lower risk fighter.

I wish we could know, then we could make up our minds about Kessler "ducking" Miranda or not but since it's impossible to know, I wont pass "judgement".

Good for you man :good

Me on the other hand? I say he's a bitch. Why? He desperatly needed to get back on the map and a fight in the states with a well known fighter would do wonders to spark his career again. Now, not only did he look like shit against JC, he is ducking Miranda?

He should just retire if he doesnt want to fight

[MrMagic]

Good for you man :good

Me on the other hand? I say he's a bitch. Why? He desperatly needed to get back on the map and a fight in the states with a well known fighter would do wonders to spark his career again. Now, not only did he look like shit against JC, he is ducking Miranda?

He should just retire if he doesnt want to fight
Yeah he's a bitch and Roy is what for hunting Hopkins left overs? :rofl

[scorpy]

Good for you man :good

Me on the other hand? I say he's a bitch. Why? He desperatly needed to get back on the map and a fight in the states with a well known fighter would do wonders to spark his career again. Now, not only did he look like shit against JC, he is ducking Miranda?

He should just retire if he doesnt want to fight

WTF. Do you know personnally Mikkel Kessler ? Has he directly told you this was the best offer he received lately but decided to say no anyway ?

We know he was in negociations with Taylor, a few days ago. That is a much bigger fight for Kessler then Miranda is. And he's definately not desperate. :lol:

[Shaolin Box]

WTF. Do you know personnally Mikkel Kessler ? Has he directly told you this was the best offer he received lately but decided to say no anyway ?

We know he was in negociations with Taylor, a few days ago. That is a much bigger fight for Kessler then Miranda is. And he's definately not desperate. :lol:

If he is really looking into fighting Taylor then i take back what i said b/c that WOULD be a bigger/better fight for him. BUT i didnt see that. Do you have a source? I only saw this:
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[Pantera2000]

I hope Kessler responds. He has no fights close to being lined up, at least not with HBO or Showtime. He has been idle for too long. Time to get off your ass and take this fight!

[randeris]

It would be like Kessler-Andrade with the difference that Miranda wouldn't last the distance.This is the perfect way to describe it. Miranda is a copy of Andrade with slightly more power and a worse chin.

[randeris]

I want to hear Kesslers sid of story on this. I would pick Kessler by UD or late rnds tko , I doubt he is ducking Miranda, its possible theres something else his camp is looking at rather than Miranda.They have been wanting Taylor pretty openly..

[PolishPummler]

Kessler could not stop Andrade so why do you all think Miranda would be KOed?

Because Andrade has a rubber face and iron chin while Miranda cant take what he himself dishes out.

[Pantera2000]

This is the perfect way to describe it. Miranda is a copy of Andrade with slightly more power and a worse chin.

Not even close! Bad bad comparison.

[sean]

sorry if i have missed it , i could not see it reading the thread .

what was the great monetry offer kessler was offered ?

just to put it in perspective of what i know

kessler got paid about $4,000,000 to $ 5,000,000 v calzaghe.

kessler got 75% of the $1.777,000 purse v andrade.

beyer got $1.1 million v kessler, i am not sure what kessler`s cut was.

i am guessing kessler got a very good payday in australia v mundine.

anyone know the miranda offer ?

[Amsterdam]

sorry if i have missed it , i could not see it reading the thread .

what was the great monetry offer kessler was offered ?

just to put it in perspective of what i know

kessler got paid about $4,000,000 to $ 5,000,000 v calzaghe.

kessler got 75% of the $1.777,000 purse v andrade.

beyer got $1.1 million v kessler, i am not sure what kessler`s cut was.

i am guessing kessler got a very good payday in australia v mundine.

anyone know the miranda offer ?

It's going to be substantially less. Miranda's been hanging out on FNF's lately, ever since the Pavlik loss.

[Shaolin Box]

It's going to be substantially less. Miranda's been hanging out on FNF's lately, ever since the Pavlik loss.

HBO and Showtime wanted in on it so i dont think it would be less. It probabky would have been a main fight on a card

[sean]

It's going to be substantially less. Miranda's been hanging out on FNF's lately, ever since the Pavlik loss.



espn bills are the equivelent of york hall cards, which is why i made my point.

i would still like to know what the monertry offer was to see if it was serious or not.

[Pantera2000]

espn bills are the equivelent of york hall cards, which is why i made my point.

i would still like to know what the monertry offer was to see if it was serious or not.

Both HBO and SHO were bidding on it as a main event for a card. I dont have the details, but I can only assume it was fair money.

[sean]

HBO and Showtime wanted in on it so i dont think it would be less. It probabky would have been a main fight on a card

hbo only paid 10% to 15% saying that was all they could afford for kessler v calzaghe

how are they going to match what european tv and live gates bring in ?

[Amsterdam]

Both HBO and SHO were bidding on it as a main event for a card. I dont have the details, but I can only assume it was fair money.

Pavlik only made something around 250,000 to fight Miranda first time around, which was a main event card on HBO. Hell, Kessler made a million fighting Andrade.

Andrade/Miranda would be a fun fight, would have to go with Andrade though as Miranda is awful on the backfoot.

[Pantera2000]

Pavlik only made something around 250,000 to fight Miranda first time around, which was a main event card on HBO. Hell, Kessler made a million fighting Andrade.

Andrade/Miranda would be a fun fight, would have to go with Andrade though as Miranda is awful on the backfoot.

Pavlik was a comain event and made $700,000

[Pantera2000]

LMAO ... Abraham lost get over it ... buying refs and judges is n't winning.

:good

[196osh]

LMAO ... Abraham lost get over it ... buying refs and judges is n't winning.


:|

[Amsterdam]

Pavlik was a comain event and made $700,000

Oh right, that was the undercard fight for Taylor-Spinks. There's no way he got paid 700,000 for that, maybe Miranda did as he was the favourite and the one HBO was trying to market.

[Pantera2000]

Oh right, that was the undercard fight for Taylor-Spinks. There's no way he got paid 700,000 for that, maybe Miranda did as he was the favourite and the one HBO was trying to market.

It was an equal payday. Arum made sure of it.
$1,400,000 for the fight total.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Kessler would tear his arse apart. Miranda has never been that great, I can't understand the following :S Didn't Pavlik DESTROY him?

[Bodysnatcher]

Oh yeah, cause Kessler beat ALL TIME GREAT Marcus Beyer and lost a decision to Calslappy.

Everyone defending Kessler here is a Calzaghe fan, I've seen this on every single boxing board on the internet. :good

He had a great offer on HBO AND Showtime, and if it's such an easy fight why doesn't he take it.
Cause Miranda will knock him out, that's why.

You can't have seen Calzaghe vs Kessler. You simply have not watched that fight.

That's the only reason you could come out with a statement like that.

[Bodysnatcher]

Good for you man :good

Me on the other hand? I say he's a bitch. Why? He desperatly needed to get back on the map and a fight in the states with a well known fighter would do wonders to spark his career again. Now, not only did he look like shit against JC, he is ducking Miranda?

He should just retire if he doesnt want to fight

I agree he should fight Miranda.

However, I have fucking idea how anyone could call his performance against Calzaghe `shit`.

Lampley, Kellerman and Steward spent half that fight admiring Kessler's talent, and they meant it.

Kessler's counter punching was excellent, his accuracy was top class and he was dangerous for the whole 12 rounds.

[Bodysnatcher]

Just checked Kessler's site and translated a news post.

He thinks Taylor was cheated out of the decision against Pavlik and the talks with Winky are mentioned.

[Pantera2000]

Just checked Kessler's site and translated a news post.

He thinks Taylor was cheated out of the decision against Pavlik and the talks with Winky are mentioned.

Yea, but there is not much interest with HBO or SHO. They WANT the fight with Miranda and are pushing for it. Kessler says no way!

[TFFP]

Honestly, these 2 are in different leagues

Look what happened to him against Pavlik. How is he doing better against a guy that is Pavlik's superior in virtually every department

He's a one handed slugger

Waste of time

[Shaolin Box]

Honestly, these 2 are in different leagues

Look what happened to him against Pavlik. How is he doing better against a guy that is Pavlik's superior in virtually every department

He's a one handed slugger

Waste of time

You think Kessler beats Pavlik?

[IntentionalButt]

You think Kessler beats Pavlik?

You don't?

[Pantera2000]

Honestly, these 2 are in different leagues

Look what happened to him against Pavlik. How is he doing better against a guy that is Pavlik's superior in virtually every department

He's a one handed slugger

Waste of time

8lbs north will make a big big difference.
How the hell a guy who walks around over 200lbs ever made 160lbs is unreal. 168lbs is a realistic weight and he keeps his power.

His last fight Miranda weighed in at 170lbs and was over 190lbs in the ring.

[MasterCalzaghe]

You think Kessler beats Pavlik?
DO'H! :-(

OF COURSE!

[Darthmage]

Damn man this fight would be heart-breaking for me to watch whichever way it goes. Miranda and Kessler are my current favorite fighters. I don't want to see either of them lose anymore.

[Shaolin Box]

DO'H! :-(

OF COURSE!


:patsch and you basing this on what?

[billyconn]

DO'H! :-(

OF COURSE!


If Joe C loses to B-hop would this have any effect on your opinion?

[billyconn]

:patsch and you basing this on what?

speculation....

[Shaolin Box]

speculation....

he ignant! :rofl

[Shaolin Box]

Guess his fans are braver than he is huh? That's usually the case because often fans don't know shit (you can identify the really clueless ones by their Klit or Calslappy avatars).


edit:

oh sorry man, should have noticed your avatar

LMFAO HO HO HO

:lol:

[randeris]

Three things:
1. The word Lucrative can mean many things.
2. Miranda wont go to Denmark, but wants Kessler to come to his home country (boxing-wise)
3. Kessler is going after Taylor.

[billyconn]

he ignant! :rofl

I can't believe how some are acting like Miranda is not good enough for Kessler.

Miranda is probably better than 96% of the people Kessler has fought. And hits harder than 100% of the people Kessler has fought....

[Decebal]

Kessler won't fight Miranda?

Why did Miranda call out Kessler in the first place? Because he's hardest to beat? Why didn't he call out Bute or Mundine instead - at least they've got a title and Bute is looking for a fight in May!

If you ask me I'd say Miranda is calling out Kessler because he knows Kessler is looking for a title shot or for a fight against a big-name opponent like Pavlik, Taylor, Wright or the Americans at LHW. He might as well have called out Calzaghe, for all it was worth!

Something smells fishy to me...don't you agree?

[tays001]

what has miranda done or beat to get a fight with the number one guy? i love miranda but fight a couple more ranked fighter first

[joeboxer]

Kessler rejects Miranda clash!
Thursday, March 6 2008


Despite offers to hold the bout in a neutral location and significant offers from both HBO and Showtime for the television rights to the bout, handlers of Mikkel Kessler have walked away from a lucrative showdown with the feared ‘Pantera’, Edison Miranda. “Viking Warrior?” asked Miranda, referring to the former super middleweight champion’s nickname. “Kessler should turn his horned helmet in after disgracing such a tribe of true fighters. He talks like a fighter, has tattoos like he’s a tough guy, but when it comes down to being a real fighter, he’s not even worthy of carrying my gloves.” The fight between Miranda and Kessler was originally pitched for the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Florida, but that location was turned down. Seminole Warriors Boxing, Miranda’s promoter, immediately acquiesced and offered a neutral location for the bout – again, Kessler refused. Even extreme interest from HBO and Showtime couldn’t convince the Denmark native to fight the Colombian standout, even though a win over Miranda would help erase the memory of his decisive loss to Joe Calzaghe last November. “I have a message for Mikkel Kessler, or Kessler the Kitten as I call him after he gave away his belts without a fight last year," said Miranda. "Joe Calzaghe is not going to fight you again. What more does he have to prove after he slapped you around for 12 rounds? The only way you’re going to erase that loss from the fans' memories is if you beat a legitimate fighter like me, but you know you can’t beat me, that’s why you won’t take this fight. So my advice to you is to retire and leave the fighting to the men. I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."this looks like it was written by Miranda's promoters pr team. Probably bs. Kessler would destroy Miranda.

[randeris]

Kessler won't fight Miranda?

Why did Miranda call out Kessler in the first place? Because he's hardest to beat? Why didn't he call out Bute or Mundine instead - at least they've got a title and Bute is looking for a fight in May!

If you ask me I'd say Miranda is calling out Kessler because he knows Kessler is looking for a title shot or for a fight against a big-name opponent like Pavlik, Taylor, Wright or the Americans at LHW. He might as well have called out Calzaghe, for all it was worth!

Something smells fishy to me...don't you agree?:good

[randeris]

this looks like it was written by Miranda's promoters pr team. Probably bs. Kessler would destroy Miranda.it was..

[Pantera2000]

it was..

Probably so. But it doesnt really matter.
Until the Kessler side responds, this is all we know.

[Shaolin Box]

what has miranda done or beat to get a fight with the number one guy? i love miranda but fight a couple more ranked fighter first

Kessler is not a # 1 guy. They both lost to current champs

[PH|LLA]

Miranda got totally demolished and KTFO by Pavlik, wasn't even close.

Now he wants to fight against Kessler?

I'd like to see a source with the amounts that were offered. I saw the article you posted Pantera but no source on it.

[randeris]

Probably so. But it doesnt really matter.
Until the Kessler side responds, this is all we know.probably? it was released from Seminole Warriors.

[PH|LLA]

He probably didn't call out Bute because the guy is still fighting bums like Joppy so he figured why waste his time when it is certain he wouldn't have the guts to accept. Also, no one would buy the fight because Bute is still a friggin' nobody. Perhaps Miranda (wrongly) thought that (maybe) Kessler was a warrior who would jump on the opportunity to get right back onto the big stage and in a big shoot out with him. Instead, MK passed.

Nothing fishy here man. Why fight Bute when you can fight Kessler? Until Bute fights a live body he can't sell any tickets.
Bute sells 15,000 tickets every time he fights. Miranda is really the nobody. He got his ass whipped every time he's stepped it up. His fight against Pavlik wasn't even close he got eaten alive. You think Joppy is a nobody then what the fuck is DAVID BANKS?

get real. Bute would eat Miranda for breakfast.

Miranda stfu, stop acting like a bitch, and fight Pascal.

anyways there is still no source from the original poster

[Decebal]

He probably didn't call out Bute because the guy is still fighting bums like Joppy so he figured why waste his time when it is certain he wouldn't have the guts to accept.

Because it would have made Miranda look good and would have embarrassed Bute - this is what Miranda likes doing, embarrassing people, especially if they're better than him and would whoop his ass!

Who knows, Bute might have called his bluff!

Also, no one would buy the fight because Bute is still a friggin' nobody. Perhaps Miranda (wrongly) thought that (maybe) Kessler was a warrior who would jump on the opportunity to get right back onto the big stage and in a big shoot out with him. Instead, MK passed.

Remind me whom Miranda beat at SMW again so that Kessler should worry about him?

Nothing fishy here man. Why fight Bute when you can fight Kessler? Until Bute fights a live body he can't sell any tickets.

Bute sold 14,000 against Joppy! :hi:

[Shaolin Box]

Bute sells 15,000 tickets every time he fights. Miranda is really the nobody. He got his ass whipped every time he's stepped it up. His fight against Pavlik wasn't even close he got eaten alive. You think Joppy is a nobody then what the fuck is DAVID BANKS?

get real. Bute would eat Miranda for breakfast.

Miranda stfu, stop acting like a bitch, and fight Pascal.

I thought the Pascal fight was already inked?

[billyconn]

KNOCK IT OFF MAN, no sensible posts allowed.

:cool:

my bad....

[Shaolin Box]

Jesus man you are a delusional Bute fan. I made a thread days ago about you people, the Montreal fight fans. Bute looked like garbage against someone who's prime was 10 years and 8 pounds ago. It took 11 rounds to beat someone like Berrio who all fight was there for the taking.

Attendance has nothing to do with it, Bute is one out of three good fighters Canada has period.

David Banks is called a warm-up and setup opponent when someone is get acquianted with a new weight. Joppy shouldn't be a title defense.

Good Post!!:good

[PH|LLA]

Jesus man you are a delusional Bute fan. I made a thread days ago about you people, the Montreal fight fans. Bute looked like garbage against someone who's prime was 10 years and 8 pounds ago. It took 11 rounds to beat someone like Berrio who all fight was there for the taking.

Attendance has nothing to do with it, Bute is one out of three good fighters Canada has period.

David Banks is called a warm-up and setup opponent when someone is get acquianted with a new weight. Joppy shouldn't be a title defense.
don't be a retard you are saying attendance has nothing to do with it when the guy says Bute can't sell tickets.

Don't just comment on a post for the sake of it shot or not Joppy is a better opponent than David "nobody's ever heard of me" Banks. So before saying Bute has fought nobody and that he is scared of Miranda maybe you should think of that.

You can cry about Banks being a warm up fight but then don't run around talking about how Miranda is a great fighter and everyone is scared of him, hypocrite.

[Shaolin Box]

Kessler TKO8 Jones

get a life, retard...:patsch

[Decebal]

David Banks was a showcase fight along with Omar Pittman fighting Jean Pascal to set up a showdown in June. Miranda did his part spectacularly, Pascal didn't. Now Miranda finds himself without a dance partner because nobody wants to fight him. We will wait to see who Bute fights but I don't think anybody worthwhile. He's going to be the next Molitior, fighting no-hopers while TVA hypes him up as "le grand champion".

Again, it's common knowledge Bute is looking for a fight in May, possibly even in the USA, against an opponent who is known there...why didn't Miranda call BUTE out?:hey

[Astola]

Actually Kessler should take the fight with Edison.

It would be a smart way to look excellent on HBO and he would probably KO Miranda.

But the thing is - Kessler will still be a risk/reward nightmare with no alphabet titles or anything to offer. All risk and no reward! Kessler is a monster.

But taking the fight with Miranda will at least get him a fight on HBO.

[Decebal]

Actually Kessler should take the fight with Edison.

It would be a smart way to look excellent on HBO and he would probably KO Miranda.

But the thing is - Kessler will still be a risk/reward nightmare with no alphabet titles or anything to offer. All risk and no reward! Kessler is a monster.

But taking the fight with Miranda will at least get him a fight on HBO.

If Kessler couldn't get a tite fight or a fight against a big American name, of course he should fight Miranda. The latter banks on Kessler not fighting him, I think. He gets to look good for free. Again, he should call Bute out! It's better risk/reward for Miranda too!

[Max Molyneux]

Pfft when Miranda steps up above journymen level he loses. Was suprised he was so high In the IBF rankings before Eastman beating on journeymen.

[psychopath]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.

Not suprise at all. Kesller has already established his name as a real fighter despite his loss and Miranda is still struglling to make it after his loss . . . maybe kesller feels he doesn't want to be a stepping stone for another struglling fighter.

Fighters makes career plans too, it's not just money.

[Pantera2000]

Again, it's common knowledge Bute is looking for a fight in May, possibly even in the USA, against an opponent who is known there...why didn't Miranda call BUTE out?:hey

It is also common knowledge that Bute is looking for an easy fight. He surely does not want any part of Miranda right now.

[Beebs]

Who the fuck is Miranda to be making demands at 168?

[Caliboxing]

Kessler better have something lined up or it's gonna look bad if he fights a lesser opponent next. He should have taken the Miranda fight, it looks like he's not living up to his name "The Viking Warrior".

[Decebal]

It is also common knowledge that Bute is looking for an easy fight. He surely does not want any part of Miranda right now.

Surely? Why surely? Why doesn't he call Bute out, if Bute cannot handle anyone decent? Why not make Bute look really bad? If Bute said NO and Pascal says YES - GYM would pay Miranda even more and there's be more takers to see Pascal fight the man Bute was afraid to touch! Thinks about it for a second!

No one can come up with a good answer to the question: Why didn't Miranda call out Bute...

If Miranda could really beat Bute, he would beat him and the would fight an optional defence in Montreal against Pascal and clean up! But no...Bute is not tough enough an opponent for Miranda...only Kessler is god enough for him after Banks!:yep

[Caliboxing]

Who the fuck is Miranda to be making demands at 168?


The same as Kessler now, a contender. I respect Miranda for trying to make good fights.

[Decebal]

Who the fuck is Miranda to be making demands at 168?

The conqueror of David Banks, of course!:deal

[Decebal]

If Miranda gets into the ring with Kessler this year or if he even calls out Bute, I will wear an avatar of Miranda for 2 weeks!:D :deal

[Caliboxing]

If Miranda gets into the ring with Kessler this year or if he even calls out Bute, I will wear an avatar of Miranda for 2 weeks!:D :deal


If Kessler doesn't want it, it's almost a guarantee Miranda will call out Bute. Do you think Bute will give him a shot?

[Paulie]

Saying Miranda would beat Bute is like saying Banks would beat Calzaghe...

[Decebal]

If Kessler doesn't want it, it's almost a guarantee Miranda will call out Bute. Do you think Bute will give him a shot?

If he doesn't, Miranda will look like the man at 168 and Kessler and Bute will look foolish and cowardly. Miranda would brag about that for years! Miranda is in the Top 10 and is a good fight for both. At least one of them should call his bluff; I hope he calls out Bute too!:yep

[girv]

If Kessler doesnt want Miranda I wonder who he is looking for?

[Caliboxing]

If he doesn't, Miranda will look like the man at 168 and Kessler and Bute will look foolish and cowardly. Miranda would brag about that for years! Miranda is in the Top 10 and is a good fight for both. At least one of them should call his bluff; I hope he calls out Bute too!:yep




I don't think Miranda is bluffing, he just wants to fight the best.

[Dekkers]

Miranda should fight some stiffer comp at super middle before calling out Kessler.

[Decebal]

I don't think Miranda is bluffing, he just wants to fight the best.

In that case, why did he gun for Pascal? Was Pascal one of the best?

I get a feeling Miranda likes to brag and put down fighters better than him in a bid to promote himself and make people take him seriously, a bit like Froch!:yep

As I say, much respect to him if he is indeed willing to get into the ring with Kessler! Too early to say whether this is not just a marketing ploy. It does smell a bit fishy, but I don't want to be mean/unfair. I'll give him the benefit opf the doubt! Won't forgive him for the way he spoke about Kessler though - he makes himself look like a pathetic joke for using those words about Kessler!

[Smazz20]

Miranda is one funny bastard!!

Kessler should take this fight, if he can't get either Winky or Taylor.

[Caliboxing]

In that case, why did he gun for Pascal? Was Pascal one of the best?

I get a feeling Miranda likes to brag and put down fighters better than him in a bid to promote himself and make people take him seriously, a bit like Froch!:yep

As I say, much respect to him if he is indeed willing to get into the ring with Kessler! Too early to say whether this is not just a marketing ploy. It does smell a bit fishy, but I don't want to be mean/unfair. I'll give him the benefit opf the doubt! Won't forgive him for the way he spoke about Kessler though - he makes himself look like a pathetic joke for using those words about Kessler!



Pascal was hounding him and talking crap, that's why. I agree that Miranda is too quick to put fighters down but that's the way he is. It's up to Kessler now to shut him up.

[Decebal]

Pascal was hounding him and talking crap, that's why. I agree that Miranda is too quick to put fighters down but that's the way he is. It's up to Kessler now to shut him up.

Well...Kessler will have to say something. Unless he's signed a contract already, he should take Miranda's offer seriously, of course! But Miranda might be bluffing, knowing that Kessler has other irons in the fire...he should have called out Bute who was looking for a fight in May! I don't buy this: "Miranda isn't calling out Bute because who is Bute anyway? And Bute wouldn't fight him anyway!"

Bollocks! If you can call out Kessler, you might as well call out Bute too! Make them all look bad! Instead, Miranda called out Kessler and the contenders at 168, but not the IBF champ or the WBA "regular" champ...smells fishy to me...

[Caliboxing]

Well...Kessler will have to say something. Unless he's signed a contract already, he should take Miranda's offer seriously, of course! But Miranda might be bluffing, knowing that Kessler has other irons in the fire...he should have called out Bute who was looking for a fight in May! I don't buy this: "Miranda isn't calling out Bute because who is Bute anyway? And Bute wouldn't fight him anyway!"

Bollocks! If you can call out Kessler, you might as well call out Bute too! Make them all look bad! Instead, Miranda called out Kessler and the contenders at 168, but not the IBF champ or the WBA "regular" champ...smells fishy to me...



If the Kessler fight can't happen, he should definitely call out Bute.

[Decebal]

If the Kessler fight can't happen, he should definitely call out Bute.

He should not waste any time! Bute's people are planning on deciding on an opponent by the end of next week!

[tays001]

Kessler is not a # 1 guy. They both lost to current champs not at 168 kessler is rated NUmber 1 at 168 with JOE Clazaghe being the champ:good Kessler lost to the champ and was whipping everybody . miranda has a win over Green and banks wow that surley means he is able to call out the 2nd best at 168

[Pantera2000]

He should not waste any time! Bute's people are planning on deciding on an opponent by the end of next week!

It is a known fact that Bute wants an easy opponent. No way he fights Miranda in May. And HBO or SHO have not shown interest in this fight. They were both trying to get the Miranda vs Kessler bout to happen. I personally would rather see a fight with Bute. Easier opponent and for a belt.

[psychopath]

I don't think Miranda is bluffing, he just wants to fight the best.

Then he should call out Carl Froch, Mundine, Brahmer or even Bute not just Kesller. These are names who are ranked higher than him. Winning against these opponents will certainly line him up for the bigger fights.

After beating Henry Poras and David Banks . . . only 2 fights at SMW . . . he is not in a position to demand anything yet at this division.

[Pantera2000]

Then he should call out Carl Froch, Mundine, Brahmer or even Bute not just Kesller. These are names who are ranked higher than him. Winning against these opponents will certainly line him up for the bigger fights.

After beating Henry Poras and David Banks . . . only 2 fights at SMW . . . he is not in a position to demand anything yet at this division.

Look at his last quote: He wants any of them...
"I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."

[pasky2000]

Miranda is not anywhere near Kessler's league. Kessler would pick him apart like he did to Andrade. I believe Warrior Boxing just want to cash in immediately with Miranda. I don't believe they are convinced he could win belts at 168 and keep them. Miranda has great power, is very exciting but is limited as a fighter. For that reason, maybe Warrior Promotions are looking to put him in the spotlight and that's it...

Kessler's hand hasn't healed yet and I suppose there's another fight in the making, which can't make Miranda happen...

[Smazz20]

Damn, i'd love for Miranda, Mundine and Froch to start a rivalry. The mouthing off with them would be hysterical.

[RafaelGonzal]

Miranda as usaul ready to take on all comers and well another Euro fighter looking for an easy fight Im sick of this and when is Kessler going to stop living off the Calzaghe loss and fight someone ,damn!

[MasterFlo]

I'm amazed that this has made 12 pages. Miranda beats a 16-3 fighter, with 2 Knockouts! YES, 2! He makes Malignaggi look like George Foreman, and he had 0 amateur fights. David Banks is a bum. And then he calls out the top guy that he can? Why is this even in question? This would be a huge step back for Kessler who is a top level fighter, Andrade was a higher ranked fighter then Miranda. I'm actually baffled, this many of you can't be this misinformed.

[Pantera2000]

I'm amazed that this has made 12 pages. Miranda beats a 16-3 fighter, with 2 Knockouts! YES, 2! He makes Malignaggi look like George Foreman, and he had 0 amateur fights. David Banks is a bum. And then he calls out the top guy that he can? Why is this even in question? This would be a huge step back for Kessler who is a top level fighter, Andrade was a higher ranked fighter then Miranda. I'm actually baffled, this many of you can't be this misinformed.

Miranda is the biggest name in boxing in America at 168lbs. He is the name HBO would put the money behind. If Kessler wants to try to get a big win in America then Pantera is the best opponent he could fight. Yea, JT is at 168lbs now, but I dont see him going into a big fight just yet.

[Quik]

He should not waste any time! Bute's people are planning on deciding on an opponent by the end of next week!

Lol and Pascal usually spars with Bute's opponents when they come to montreal:lol:

[Maxime]

Okay I didn't read all 13 pages but when did Miranda become the hardest puncher or the biggest name at 168lbs? Did I miss the memo or something? :lol:

Anyway, it seems there are better options for Kessler out there with better rewards (money and legacy). You know... a fight with Taylor, Jones, Trinidad, etc... Miranda is a virtual nobody in the great scale of things.

[Bslice]

Kessler rejects Miranda clash!
Thursday, March 6 2008


Despite offers to hold the bout in a neutral location and significant offers from both HBO and Showtime for the television rights to the bout, handlers of Mikkel Kessler have walked away from a lucrative showdown with the feared ‘Pantera’, Edison Miranda. “Viking Warrior?” asked Miranda, referring to the former super middleweight champion’s nickname. “Kessler should turn his horned helmet in after disgracing such a tribe of true fighters. He talks like a fighter, has tattoos like he’s a tough guy, but when it comes down to being a real fighter, he’s not even worthy of carrying my gloves.” The fight between Miranda and Kessler was originally pitched for the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Florida, but that location was turned down. Seminole Warriors Boxing, Miranda’s promoter, immediately acquiesced and offered a neutral location for the bout – again, Kessler refused. Even extreme interest from HBO and Showtime couldn’t convince the Denmark native to fight the Colombian standout, even though a win over Miranda would help erase the memory of his decisive loss to Joe Calzaghe last November. “I have a message for Mikkel Kessler, or Kessler the Kitten as I call him after he gave away his belts without a fight last year," said Miranda. "Joe Calzaghe is not going to fight you again. What more does he have to prove after he slapped you around for 12 rounds? The only way you’re going to erase that loss from the fans' memories is if you beat a legitimate fighter like me, but you know you can’t beat me, that’s why you won’t take this fight. So my advice to you is to retire and leave the fighting to the men. I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."


Miranda is a hell of a shit talker but, there is no doubt he is a warrior, who isn't afraid to fight some highly skilled opponents. I am disappointed, in Kessler, all I have to say is ...<>

[Imperial1]

Does Kessler not want to be back on top ?I have no doubt he beats Miranda !

[psychopath]

Does Kessler not want to be back on top ?I have no doubt he beats Miranda !

Kesller is still rated higher than Miranda and beating Miranda won't put him back on top buddy, let's be clear on that.

Jurgen Brahmer or Carl Froch would be a better opposition for Kesller if Bute won't fight him.

[cardstars]

This would be a great fight, but my guess is that Mirandas team offered shit for $$$

[magnificentdave]

First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

Where is the logic in that?
There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
It's not that hard to fucking tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
I'd say that Miranda could cold-cock about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.

[Maxime]

Pantera:

What kind of purse are we talking about her? Because good money for Miranda might not mean good money for Kessler. The guy made milions against Calzaghe. Maybe he doesn't want to fight for small paydays anymore?

[dodong]

Kessler rejects Miranda clash!
Thursday, March 6 2008


Despite offers to hold the bout in a neutral location and significant offers from both HBO and Showtime for the television rights to the bout, handlers of Mikkel Kessler have walked away from a lucrative showdown with the feared ‘Pantera’, Edison Miranda. “Viking Warrior?” asked Miranda, referring to the former super middleweight champion’s nickname. “Kessler should turn his horned helmet in after disgracing such a tribe of true fighters. He talks like a fighter, has tattoos like he’s a tough guy, but when it comes down to being a real fighter, he’s not even worthy of carrying my gloves.” The fight between Miranda and Kessler was originally pitched for the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Florida, but that location was turned down. Seminole Warriors Boxing, Miranda’s promoter, immediately acquiesced and offered a neutral location for the bout – again, Kessler refused. Even extreme interest from HBO and Showtime couldn’t convince the Denmark native to fight the Colombian standout, even though a win over Miranda would help erase the memory of his decisive loss to Joe Calzaghe last November. “I have a message for Mikkel Kessler, or Kessler the Kitten as I call him after he gave away his belts without a fight last year," said Miranda. "Joe Calzaghe is not going to fight you again. What more does he have to prove after he slapped you around for 12 rounds? The only way you’re going to erase that loss from the fans' memories is if you beat a legitimate fighter like me, but you know you can’t beat me, that’s why you won’t take this fight. So my advice to you is to retire and leave the fighting to the men. I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."

This begs a response from Kessler's camp or any top SMW contenders. Miranda IS a legit contender and a threat to any of them.

[Pantera2000]

First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

Where is the logic in that?
There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
It's not that hard to fucking tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
I'd say that Miranda could cold-cock about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.

:happy Bravo!
Great, realistic, post.
Kessler would rightfully be favored. But Miranda winning by KO would not shock a person. One right hand and Kessler could be finished. And that is why he does not want this fight.

[Executioner]

:piss

First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

Where is the logic in that?
There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
It's not that hard to fucking tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
I'd say that Miranda could cold-cock about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.

[billyconn]

First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

Where is the logic in that?
There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
It's not that hard to fucking tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
I'd say that Miranda could cold-cock about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.

KP will always have Pantera's #......:yep

[magnificentdave]

:happy Bravo!
Great, realistic, post.
Kessler would rightfully be favored. But Miranda winning by KO would not shock a person. One right hand and Kessler could be finished. And that is why he does not want this fight.

On that note, I don't think it's a bad move from a promotional standpoint to avoid this fight. . .
Kessler's credibility would be seriously damaged if he were to lose to Miranda at this point.
I think Kessler needs to regain confidence first, by fighting someone in the top 10 who is less of a threat.
Two losses in a row would seriously reduce his credibility in the division, and right now he can theoretically say he is the best in the division barring Calzaghe who is moving to LHW.

Miranda is still young, I think he has time to fight more contenders and continue building up that KO highlight reel.
If he keeps it up, he will be the 400 pound gorilla that no one in the SMW division can ignore.

[Maxime]

Kessler is coming off a big loss and an injury that required surgery.

Miranda fought Willie Gibbs (lol) and Henry porras (lol x2) after his loses. Not exactly dangerous opponents.

[Pantera2000]

On that note, I don't think it's a bad move from a promotional standpoint to avoid this fight. . .
Kessler's credibility would be seriously damaged if he were to lose to Miranda at this point.
I think Kessler needs to regain confidence first, by fighting someone in the top 10 who is less of a threat.
Two losses in a row would seriously reduce his credibility in the division, and right now he can theoretically say he is the best in the division barring Calzaghe who is moving to LHW.

Miranda is still young, I think he has time to fight more contenders and continue building up that KO highlight reel.
If he keeps it up, he will be the 400 pound gorilla that no one in the SMW division can ignore.

Kessler was an undfeated belt holder before his last fight. He lost to the best SMW in the past 10+ years and is staying in his weight class. To say he needs any kind of a tuneup/comeback fight is bullshit.

This is the best fight for both guys. It is a world watched war and the winner will be in position to take over the 168lbs weight. Win win for everyone involved, especially the fans.

[magnificentdave]

ultimately it really depends on what Kessler wants to do . . . no body can make the decision for him.

[Pantera2000]

ultimately it really depends on what Kessler wants to do . . . no body can make the decision for him.

Well... If he blows off HBO he is an idiot. That is his key into USA stardom.

[Bodysnatcher]

First of all, Miranda is faster of feet than Andrade, has faster hands, punches harder and is less one dimensional.

It's easy for people to look at a fight record and say, Kessler could not knock out andrade, therefore andrade has an unbelievable iron chin.

Where is the logic in that?
There were 9 opponents before Andrade that that Kessler did not knock out either.
The fact is, Kessler does not have stunning knockout power.

In fact, what I took away from the Kessler fight was that Kessler was MUCH more comfortable fighting off the back foot and counter punching against a pressure fighter, than trying to put the guy on HIS back foot and go for the knockout.

Now I wouldn't really define Miranda has a pressure fighter, he likes to pick his spots, counter punch and give angles. . .

Most of you have an image of him as a crude brawler. Not accurate.

But he does fight moving forward for the most part. He doesn't back up.

When he is throwing his 1-2s Kessler will be timing him and counter punching.

Which is not the way to beat Miranda.

Pavlik showed how to do it. You make him back up, if you aren't constantly attacking him, then you're going to be in trouble.

Though I felt Arthur Abraham should have lost by TKO, he also showed that the way to fight miranda was to take away his momentum and keep him moving back, which he managed to do in spots.

This fight is all wrong for Kessler. He has never been in with a puncher like Miranda.
It's common knowledge that a legitimate top puncher like miranda, someone with a high knockout rate does not simply lose their punching power when moving up a division.

I would argue that p4p Miranda's power has actually improved since the move to SMW.
He was becoming lackadaisical and tight looking as he struggled with the weight loss.
It's not that hard to fucking tell. With the move to SMW he looks more fluid, healthier and more energetic . . .
I'd say that Miranda could cold-cock about 90% of the top rated SMWs with a single money punch if it landed flush on the chin.
He knocked Banks out with the FIRST right hand that he threw with band intentions.
Those of you predicting a shut-out or easy UD for Kessler are delusional.

Good analysis.

However, all but 3 of Kessler's fights that went to the judges were 6 round fights or less from earlier in his career.

Kessler's KO ratio is excellent.

As for Kessler's counter-punching, you're right. Sometimes that is his most effective style.

As for counter-punching not being the way to beat Miranda, that would only be the case if Miranda didn't leave himself as open as the Grand Canyon every time he launches one of those show-stoppers.

But of course, as everyone knows...he does leave himself open.

Kessler's accuracy is impeccable.

You do the math.

[Decebal]

I'd be really, really surprised if Miranda could even hurt Kessler, nevermind knock him down!

[henrik]

on the boxing site "teampalle.dk",one of the danish heavyweight says that he really hopes to go to usa this summer when kessler is going to fight there.
So i think they allready working seriously for a fight in the states.
but there are no name on he´s comming opponent
i hope they find a great fighter,so kessler can come back,and people will give the man some credit.
by the way,team palle havent talked about any offer from miranda.
IMO a fight against miranda,would be just like the fight andrade-kessler.
miranda dont have the skills.he can punch thats all.

[Decebal]

Kessler stated more than ones, that he would love to fight in US. Therefor i actually thinks a fight on HBO against Miranda in May/June and against Taylor in the fall would be a dream come true. Maybe the promoter rather wants him to fights fore belts rankings but money will convince him/here dont you think?

Ultimately, belts=money, so if you can make as much money fighting better opposition for no belt, you should.

[Shake]

I have no idea why Kessler turned this down. Very disappointing.

[Decebal]

I have no idea why Kessler turned this down. Very disappointing.

Come on, mate! Who says he did? Miranda's promoter?;) Just read that article! It's laughable! Miranda's a joke!

[Farmboxer]

Miranda trashed against Pavlik also! See what happened. Kessler is not afraid of Miranda, he has no reason for such.

[Shake]

Ah, the usual runaround then. I look forward to seeing Mikkel in action again.

[Djarnis]

Great fight for all please make it happen.

[Axe]

Kessler rejects Miranda clash!
Thursday, March 6 2008


Despite offers to hold the bout in a neutral location and significant offers from both HBO and Showtime for the television rights to the bout, handlers of Mikkel Kessler have walked away from a lucrative showdown with the feared ‘Pantera’, Edison Miranda. “Viking Warrior?” asked Miranda, referring to the former super middleweight champion’s nickname. “Kessler should turn his horned helmet in after disgracing such a tribe of true fighters. He talks like a fighter, has tattoos like he’s a tough guy, but when it comes down to being a real fighter, he’s not even worthy of carrying my gloves.” The fight between Miranda and Kessler was originally pitched for the Hard Rock Live in Hollywood, Florida, but that location was turned down. Seminole Warriors Boxing, Miranda’s promoter, immediately acquiesced and offered a neutral location for the bout – again, Kessler refused. Even extreme interest from HBO and Showtime couldn’t convince the Denmark native to fight the Colombian standout, even though a win over Miranda would help erase the memory of his decisive loss to Joe Calzaghe last November. “I have a message for Mikkel Kessler, or Kessler the Kitten as I call him after he gave away his belts without a fight last year," said Miranda. "Joe Calzaghe is not going to fight you again. What more does he have to prove after he slapped you around for 12 rounds? The only way you’re going to erase that loss from the fans' memories is if you beat a legitimate fighter like me, but you know you can’t beat me, that’s why you won’t take this fight. So my advice to you is to retire and leave the fighting to the men. I challenge any of the so called top super middleweight contenders to step up and fight Pantera, but I doubt any of you have the guts."

:rofl

Kessler never struck me as a fighter who will fight anyone, anywhere. His lack of heart in the Calzaghe fight is imo another reason why his fans shouldn't be calling him the viking warrior.

[MrMagic]

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Mikkel's new tattoo and head gear


Actually it looks like he would be satisfied with a (non-title) fight versus Jeff Lacy so perhaps he did become the "Viking Chicken". Why come to the US looking for some attention and a fight, say you'd take Lacy or Green on, then pass up a dance with the popular Pantera unless you're afraid of potentially going out on your shield? Seems like Mikkel has more concern for Miranda's abilities than the nut-huggers on ESB.



Feb. 27
One of my favorite things about covering big fights in Vegas is the incidental interview. Sitting in the media room the day of the weigh in for Taylor/Pavlik II, I happened to look up from checking my email and into the face of none other than Danish super middleweight Mikkel Kessler. Fresh from a vacation following his first and only loss to Welsh super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe, Kessler was in the States with his promoter as well as his American agent Michael Marley looking for a fight. “Hopkins, Calzaghe, Jeff Lacy, Allan Green, any of them. We’re looking for a fight. Preferably a big one,” said Marley.
Mr. Kessler graciously accepted the opportunity for an impromptu interview so I closed my laptop, grabbed my recorder and went to work.

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Let's look at the whole picture here please.
Mikkel could be negotiating with another team (talks about a Winky fight, which would give him loads of money and enhance his legacy a whole lot), he could be fighting someone whos ranked but not a solid name (resulting in a title fight later this year). Mikkel could also have been offered a ridiculous contract for fighting Pantera, which he ofcourse turned down.


Let's not spill the entire bucket of boiling water over Mikkel because he turned Miranda down, lets just wait and see what happens instead, if he fights a Porras or whatever, then we have all the right to be disappointed, but if he'd sign to fight someone like Winky, Pavlik or Taylor .. it would mean a whole lot more than a fight with Miranda, and he would've chosen wisely.

[Bodysnatcher]

:rofl

Kessler never struck me as a fighter who will fight anyone, anywhere. His lack of heart in the Calzaghe fight is imo another reason why his fans shouldn't be calling him the viking warrior.

Ridiculous comment.

Did you even watch the fight?

You didn't see him gunning for the knockout in the 12th when he knew he had to go for it?

[Rubberduck]

Actually I like the fact that Camp Kessler isn´t talking bs. They are just acting like true Danes. If you have nothing important to say, don´t say nothing at all. That´s logic here in DK but maybe not the best way to act when aiming for the American market.:think
Something´s up though. I feel it in my bones. And oh, what about Kessler vs Jones?:hey

[Alo2006]

Kessler beats Miranda 10 out of 10 times :yep

[41fever]

Pantera's chin isn't the greatest, BUT he's at the top with his raw power and speed combo. He has more than a chance @SMW. If Kessler is ducking Miranda...what an idiot! If he beats Edison he positions himself further in the rankings AND $$$$ fights. What an idiot!

[Pantera2000]

Pantera's chin isn't the greatest, BUT he's at the top with his raw power and speed combo. He has more than a chance @SMW. If Kessler is ducking Miranda...what an idiot! If he beats Edison he positions himself further in the rankings AND $$$$ fights. What an idiot!

Yes, he better have a good reason. I am doubting it though since we still have yet to hear anything.

[Axe]

Ridiculous comment.

Did you even watch the fight?

You didn't see him gunning for the knockout in the 12th when he knew he had to go for it?

Of course I watched the fight, who didn't? :huh

Kessler didn't step it up until it was far too late. He knew that if he had came out from the 10th onwards with that kind of urgency he wouldve taken even more punishment than he did.

The 12th round was akin to Zab Judah's 12th against Mayweather...too little, too late, meant nothing at all.

[DoumB]

actualy Kesslwer would completly outclass miranda, hes taylormade for him, I agree with the one who wanna see Taylor Vs Miranda

[henrik]

Yes, he better have a good reason. I am doubting it though since we still have yet to hear anything.

maybe because he dont give a fuck about edison,who havent done nothing in he´s last fights...maybe because the offer they have made is worthless...who knows.maybe we will hear something.

[ApatheticLeader]

I have to be honest. I like Kessler and all, but I'm VERY annoyed that he won't fight Pantera. He might be waiting forever at a shot against a "top" fighter (in other words, a big name on the downslide) and when it doesn't come he'll end up fighting a nobody.

[teke]

Kessler jab jab jab jab jab jab jab is all he needs to beat Miranda

[Maxime]

Yes, he better have a good reason. I am doubting it though since we still have yet to hear anything.


I asked you on two different websites what was the offer that was made and you haven't answered me. It's easy to say "They offered him a fair purse" when you're not providing any numbers.

Maybe he's being offered 2x-3x more to fight Taylor or Winky Wright.

All we have is the pussycat version of the story. ;)

[Haye]

Bad move from Kessler. Its a good HBO fight that puts him back in the limelight, and is also very winnable. Kinda like a Taylor fight at SMW

[sean]

this type of name baiting in the press has been going on since i followed boxing 30 years ago.
witter the WBC champ is calling out malinaggi/hatton/hopkins/the pope/

and they are all not intrested although the pope said he would pray on it.

it seems every week on esb bobby gunn has issued letters to every top cruiserweight demanding they fight him.

miranda is just a similar fighter using a similar ploy to keep his name in the spotlight.

IMO it would take a $2 million offer for kessler from team miranda to make the fight happen in america, so if they have that kind of money , put it on the table.

equally it would take $3 to $4 million to buy a shot at mundine

$1 to $ 2 million to a shot of bute.

$ 5 to $ 6 for a shot at calzaghe

miranda is a dangerous fighter no doubt and because of that , it is going to take a lot of backing by his investors or a number 1 slot to get a title shot.

miranda is also hindered by the fact he is fighting out of america at 168 when most of the talent and money is overseas.

[Djarnis]

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His promoter is confirming thay are in talks. Miranda was one of the names HBO wants him to fight. They are negiotiating and Kessler has no problem fighting Miranda.

[teke]

this type of name baiting in the press has been going on since i followed boxing 30 years ago.
You old? :shock:

[Decebal]

You old? :shock:

:bart

[teke]

:bartYou old aswell? :shock:

[Decebal]

You old aswell? :shock:

sean is 42.

I am 26.:good

[teke]

sean is 31, I think.

I am 13.:goodHmm i dont think Sean is 31 going from what he has posted. Are you really 13 :lol:

[Decebal]

Hmm i dont think Sean is 31 going from what he has posted. Are you really 13 :lol:

13?? No...26!!!:good

And sean is 42!!!

[teke]

Well, I am turning 13 in May, so, just about!:goodget da fuck outta here?!

[Decebal]

get da fuck outta here?!

What are you on about?:huh

Stop changing my posts.

Not funny!

[Decebal]

teke? WTF?:huh

[teke]

teke? WTF?:huh:huh I never changed your dam posts, you wrote 13 buddy

[Decebal]

:huh I never changed your dam posts, you wrote 13 buddy

:lol: ;)

GO, SAKIO!!!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi:

[teke]

:lol: ;)

GO, SAKIO!!!:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

:hi::nono:-(:fire

[Decebal]

:nono:-(:fire

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

:smooch

[Boom_Boom]

re\\.

[IntentionalButt]

:blood :bump

(WTF bump?)


Are they rumored to fight? Otherwise why bump this? :huh

[Boom_Boom]

for lulz

[IntentionalButt]

for lulz

...but are you laughing at those who thought Kessler was ducking Miranda, or those thought that was absurd?

I honestly don't know where you stand on this issue (or either fighter, really). :lol:

Usually a lulzbump is done when one fighter's career is skyrocketing and the other one's is plummeting...whereas neither of these guys is at the highest point of their career right now, so it's difficult to tell without you spelling it out which side you're gloating on.

[Boom_Boom]

honestly...i dont know

i read the thread title and spat out my drink

[IntentionalButt]

honestly...i dont know

i read the thread title and spat out my drink

So then you're in the "it's absurd to suggest Kessler ducked Miranda" camp. :good

Good place to be. :yep

[Hermit]

You can't rewrite history. :bart

"Team" Kessler backed out of a fight that Showtime thought was a done deal and even posted it on their schedule.

[IntentionalButt]

You can't rewrite history. :bart

"Team" Kessler backed out of a fight that Showtime thought was a done deal and even posted it on their schedule.

Do you believe that Kessler and/or his team were scared of Miranda, and expressly ducked him out of fear?

[Hermit]

Do you believe that Kessler and/or his team were scared of Miranda, and expressly ducked him out of fear?:stir

[MrMagic]

Yeah, Kessler is afraid of Miranda, it had nothing to do with Mogens Palle, yeah.. uhm.. yeah! HES AFRAID! FRIGHTENED of a C-level plodder that would be tailor made for him any day of the week!

Kesslers also afraid of Allan Green, just in case you didn't know.

He goes to Wales and fights Calzaghe, to Oakland and fights Ward, but he's frightened of Miranda and Green!

[Hermit]

Yeah, Kessler is afraid of Miranda, it had nothing to do with Mogens Palle, yeah.. uhm.. yeah! HES AFRAID! FRIGHTENED of a C-level plodder that would be tailor made for him any day of the week!

Kesslers also afraid of Allan Green, just in case you didn't know.

He goes to Wales and fights Calzaghe, to Oakland and fights Ward, but he's frightened of Miranda and Green!Glad you are on board. :good

[Pantera2000]

Mogens Palle was 100% at fault. Nobody knows what Kessler even knew. The fight between Palle and Warriors and both boxers was agreed to. Then Palle disappeared and would not return any of Warriors of Showtime phone calls. The date was offered to Sauerland and Abaraham and they immediately jumped on board to sign the contract. Only after that was announced did Palle reappear and act as if Miranda was the one pulling a bait and switch. These are the facts.

[Hermit]

Mogens Palle was 100% at fault. Nobody knows what Kessler even knew. The fight between Palle and Warriors and both boxers was agreed to. Then Palle disappeared and would not return any of Warriors of Showtime phone calls. The date was offered to Sauerland and Abaraham and they immediately jumped on board to sign the contract. Only after that was announced did Palle reappear and act as if Miranda was the one pulling a bait and switch. These are the facts.

Don't go clouding the issue with facts just because you were involved in all of this first hand. NOT the ESB way. :bart

[Pantera2000]

Don't go clouding the issue with facts just because you were involved in all of this first hand. NOT the ESB way. :bart

I know... My bad. I should stick my nose up Miranda's ass where is should be and call Kessler a big pussy because he was scared to be in the same country as the people's champion of the world Edison 'PANTERA' Miranda! :roll:

What up Hermit!!!! :D

[Rob887]

Maybe Kessler should rejoin the Super Six?

Let's face facts, he's going back to beating up tomato cans for a living after getting in a few real fights and having his backside handed to him or at very best coming out of it bashed up in front of a home crowd.

It's the real truth, we all know it.

Tin can ally awaits.

[Pantera2000]

Where is Bat? I am sure he would have something to say about this topic after all these years. Or does he finally agree with the facts? Where you at Bat boy? :tong

[RustBelt]

IF Kessler is afraid of Miranda, He should be afraind Of Pavlik, BUTE. Am I right? Kessler Would beat Miranda pretty good IMO

[garfios]

I think despaigne is fighting Miranda now.

[RustBelt]

I like Miranda, He likes to Brawl. He trains for the KO it seems, but He couldnt last w the big boys!

[pipe wrenched]

I like Miranda, He likes to Brawl. He trains for the KO it seems, but He couldnt last w the big boys!


2005, 2006, and into 2007 Miranda was on a got damned TEAR thru the MW ranks. Only blemish he had was that first AA fight and let's not get started on the horse shits surroundin' that fight.

Ya'll remember those videos he used to send to Jermain Taylor all the time?:lol::lol::p

[RustBelt]

2005, 2006, and into 2007 Miranda was on a got damned TEAR thru the MW ranks. Only blemish he had was that first AA fight and let's not get started on the horse shits surroundin' that fight.

Ya'll remember those videos he used to send to Jermain Taylor all the time?:lol::lol::p

Can ya find em for me?

[pipe wrenched]

Can ya find em for me?
Shit, we need to get Pantera2000 back in here....:p

He used to make them all the time for Warriors Boxing and they would be released to the press. He would TRASH Jermain in them.:yep

[RustBelt]

Shit, we need to get Pantera2000 back in here....:p

He used to make them all the time for Warriors Boxing and they would be released to the press. He would TRASH Jermain in them.:yep


Lol BTW, I just Drove through west virgina, went to Hilton head SC. My Buddys GRAMIN had the TOLL RDS turned off. SOo, I drove Through the all the fucking Hills at 4:00 am, Fog was heavy, ran over a dead deer that i didnt see, Highway 20 was fucking horrible! I KNOW damn well the KKK is still down there, were we in the sticks

Then I took 77 all the way back, WHAT A RELief! I got 2 buddies from Ripley also, and my mom is from Weston WV

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Lol BTW, I just Drove through west virgina, went to Hilton head SC. My Buddys GRAMIN had the TOLL RDS turned off. SOo, I drove Through the all the fucking Hills at 4:00 am, Fog was heavy, ran over a dead deer that i didnt see, Highway 20 was fucking horrible! I KNOW damn well the KKK is still down there, were we in the sticks

Then I took 77 all the way back, WHAT A RELief! I got 2 buddies from Ripley also, and my mom is from Weston WV


:lol::rofl:lol::rofl

Buddy, from what I understand, the KKK is some type of organization. So I don't know...:lol:

My woman's sister lives in Ripley, and I been to Weston.:good

me?, I'm down in Huntington....Home of Marshall Thundering Herd.:yep

But yeah, LMFAO, it's well worth the 50 cents to just take the toll road!! LOL

[RustBelt]

:lol::rofl:lol::rofl

Buddy, from what I understand, the KKK is some type of organization. So I don't know...:lol:

My woman's sister lives in Ripley, and I been to Weston.:good

me?, I'm down in Huntington....Home of Marshall Thundering Herd.:yep

But yeah, LMFAO, it's well worth the 50 cents to just take the toll road!! LOL

Tolls were 2 bucks a pop! Fuckin stopped at this gas station for cigs, All the Had Were Reds and Lights! I was like where the fuck am I! No ATM's in these places we stopped. Dude had a smokin hott Wife, reminded me of Harold and Kumar where the dude had his son locked in the basement!

[pipe wrenched]

Tolls were 2 bucks a pop! Fuckin stopped at this gas station for cigs, All the Had Were Reds and Lights! I was like where the fuck am I! No ATM's in these places we stopped. Dude had a smokin hott Wife, reminded me of Harold and Kumar where the dude had his son locked in the basement!

:lol::rofl:lol:

You're fuckin' killin' me!!:lol::rofl

[joe the great]

The offer was out there and very fair.
But I am hearing that Kessler wants no part of it.

Too bad. I think it would be a great matchup for 168lbs.
kESSLER WOULD WHIP HIM.

[Pantera2000]

Yes, that video to Taylor was great. It was the first video ever posted on fightnews. This was back when Miranda was all over the news and internet and HBO was hoping he was the next Tyson type fighter....

Here is the video:

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[BatTheMan]

Full story here:

Last month, in a "Boxing's 15 Biggest Losers of 2008" piece I put together, I had Danish super middleweight Mikkel Kessler ranked ninth.

I said, in short, that it wasn't really his fault. He's a talented fighter -- we all know that. He gave Joe Calzaghe arguably the toughest fight of his career. I did blame his management team for yanking him out of a Showtime fight with Edison Miranda, which seemed to burn any goodwill he had in the States, and especially with our two biggest fight networks, HBO and Showtime.

Michael Marley, who you probably know from BoxingConfidential.com, also works as an agent for promoter Mogens Palle and Kessler. He had a lot to say about the Kessler-Miranda situation.

"We had two chances to fight Miranda, one on Showtime and then on HBO," he says. "The Showtime deal was rejected because Miranda's promoter reneged on how Kessler's purse would be paid.

"Then HBO came calling about the same fight and Kessler accepted the fight, all the terms for the fight including holding the bout at the Seminole Tribe Hard Rock Casino in Hollywood, Florida. In other words, Kessler accepted fighting in Miranda's promoter's home ring.

"Kessler's acceptance was done in writing and sent to HBO officials and to [promoters] Leon Margules and Lou DiBella... It was Miranda's guy, Mr. Margules, who stabbed HBO in the back, ducking out to fight Abraham. He was double dealing HBO. HBO was pissed but they couldn't do anything about it."

Marley also had a question for fight fans.

"Does anyone in their right mind think that Kessler, who went to Australia to fight Mundine in his backyard, and then to Wales to fight Calzaghe in his, would duck Miranda?"

This was the baffling thing at the time for many of us. On paper, Kessler was a pretty heavy favorite over Miranda, who seemed to have a puncher's chance but little else. While Miranda is certainly always dangerous, Kessler is no slouch in the power department in his own right. I don't think any of us felt that Kessler was truly ducking Miranda. We did feel shafted that the fight didn't take place, since it had fireworks in theory, and also because Showtime was already running ads for the bout.

As for Kessler's return to the rings of Denmark, Marley said, "Kessler wanted to regain a title so he reclaimed his WBA crown. Then he got stuck with a mandatory defense against sorry Danilo Haussler. If you want to be a world champion you have to live up to mandatory bout rules or you will lose your title."

Mr. Marley also is adamant that they've tried to make other big fights, as well, including one that may surprise you.

"Recently, Chad Dawson turned down a catch weight fight on HBO for March 14 [the date that wound up being Dawson-Tarver II] against Kessler. Kessler agreed to fight at 170, 171 or even 172 pounds but Gary Shaw rejected that even as we agreed to possibly fighting Dawson in his home state of Connecticut.

"About this time, Gary put out the statement that 'Dawson will fight anyone at 175 pounds.'"

The surprising offer?

"Promoter Mogens Palle offered, in writing, $4 million for Bernard Hopkins to come to Denmark in March 2009 to fight Kessler at a catch weight. Hopkins would take the $4 million with zero taxes in Denmark.

"Hopkins acted like this was an insult and Golden Boy made no counter-offer. Kessler would swim to the U.S. to fight Hopkins anywhere Bernard chooses."

It's big talk. You might take it only as spin. But this is the first we've really gotten to hear of the Kessler side on this matter. It's only fair that they get their say, too.

This story also cannot be presented fairly, I feel, without noting that Kessler is currently involved in a bit of a spat with Mogens and Bettina Palle, his promoters, over the direction of his career.


Right Pantera? :)

[Pantera2000]

Full story here:



Right Pantera? :)


Yes, Just like I said. Weeks went buy and Palle disappeared and would not return phone call from anyone. All was agreed, but he would not sign. Showtime needed a commitment as the date was approaching and found Abraham willing to take the challenge. Not 24 hours after this fight was signed sealed and delivered did Palle reappear and open his mouth.

What was Miranda/Showtime supposed to do? Wait around indefinitely? Risk losing the date with Showtime?

See Bat, you know the 2nd half of the story, but you dont seem to want to listen to how the story developed to that point.

And for the record Michael Marley is a lying piece of shit.

[BatTheMan]

Yes, Just like I said. Weeks went buy and Palle disappeared and would not return phone call from anyone. All was agreed, but he would not sign. Showtime needed a commitment as the date was approaching and found Abraham willing to take the challenge. Not 24 hours after this fight was signed sealed and delivered did Palle reappear and open his mouth.

What was Miranda/Showtime supposed to do? Wait around indefinitely? Risk losing the date with Showtime?

See Bat, you know the 2nd half of the story, but you dont seem to want to listen to how the story developed to that point.

And for the record Michael Marley is a lying piece of shit.
I'm just messing with you my friend. Everything in boxing is spin.

Bottom line: We didn't get the fight which is a damn shame. Would have been great for both.