Mundine better than Fittler and Daley [Archive]

teke

07-11-2007, 12:55 PM

Neither Daley or Fittler ever beat a team in which Mundine was 5/8th.I know.

Daley wasnt anywhere near his prime when he took on Mundine so he can be excused. Daley was the better all round player by far.

Fitler, Mundine outplayed that overrated ass on many occasions. I wasnt even a big Mundine fan back then but I knew he outplayed Fitler more times than Fitler did him.

Mundine was in the athletic go-a-hundred-metres type mold where as Fitler and Daley were brains and braun - two different styles but the Kogarah Lord of the Dance was the man in the late 90s with the exception of Johns of course who was in a another story all together.

jb1

07-11-2007, 06:35 PM

fuck off guys mundine was no where near these guys in league stick to boxing nutthugging please

pecks

07-11-2007, 10:44 PM

Heh, Souths beat North Queensland earlier this year, I guess that makes Joe Williams a better halfback than Johnathan Thurston. :roll:

IrnBruMan

07-11-2007, 10:48 PM

Neither Daley or Fittler ever beat a team in which Mundine was 5/8th.

Mundine: 59 tries, 3 field goals, 244 points, Grand Final wins 0
Fittler: 122 tries, 114 field goals, 526 points, Grand Final wins 2
Daley: 87 tries, 44 field goals, 445 points, Grand Final wins 3

Crunch those stats instead of Mundine's nuts you fag

pecks

07-11-2007, 11:03 PM

Also Gav, in league theres 13 players on each team, it's not a one on one dues like in boxing. You could put Andrew Johns, or Darren Lockyer in the #7 jumper for Taree, or Port Macquarie and they would still lose their share of games. It doesn't mean that the other #7 are better than Johns.

Also again, in league, the forwards often determine whether or not the halves have a good game, so if Mundine did perform better than Daley, Fittler in the games he came up against him in, then it's probably due to his forwards (Craig Smith :D) being able to shut down Daley, etc better than Canberra's forwards being able to shut down Mundine, etc.

teke

07-11-2007, 11:21 PM

Sorry but Fitler aint anything

jb1

07-11-2007, 11:23 PM

Sorry but Fitler aint anything

any cred u had is now gone

well in rugby league at least

IrnBruMan

07-11-2007, 11:36 PM

Sorry but Fitler aint anything

:lol:

Well aren't you in a shit-stirring mood today :yep

teke

07-11-2007, 11:37 PM

any cred u had is now gone

well in rugby league at least:nono

My knowledge of league will be revealed in the next 8 rds bucko :deal

Marcus

07-11-2007, 11:42 PM

i think there was any skill in rugby ....just strengh and size :stir

teke

07-11-2007, 11:45 PM

:lol:

Well aren't you in a shit-stirring mood today :yepIt's all a matter of opinion and i just dont think Fitler was all that great like a Lewis, Johns or Daley. Pecks stated above that players need good packs in front of them etc etc and Fitler had that for alot of his career and when you have a great team your stats are healthy aswell.

Im not the only one who thinks Freddy was overrated, he did win that award 4 yrs running as voted by his peers :lol:

Answer to your post - yes I like to shit stir quickly before running off to work :hey

MSTR

07-12-2007, 12:01 AM

Mundine: 59 tries, 3 field goals, 244 points, Grand Final wins 0
Fittler: 122 tries, 114 field goals, 526 points, Grand Final wins 2
Daley: 87 tries, 44 field goals, 445 points, Grand Final wins 3

Crunch those stats instead of Mundine's nuts you fag
Great call. Its a team sport regardless. Who cares if one team didn't beat another. It doesn't prove if one particular player was better or not. Mundine has the most biased team of nuthuggers on all of ESB... BAR NONE!

IrnBruMan

07-12-2007, 12:07 AM

It's all a matter of opinion and i just dont think Fitler was all that great like a Lewis, Johns or Daley. Pecks stated above that players need good packs in front of them etc etc and Fitler had that for alot of his career and when you have a great team your stats are healthy aswell.

Im not the only one who thinks Freddy was overrated, he did win that award 4 yrs running as voted by his peers :lol:

Answer to your post - yes I like to shit stir quickly before running off to work :hey

yeah, but there are other qualities that make a great player that aren't always visible to the public - Fittler has great leadership qualities, and a charisma that made other players want to follow his lead.

Mundine never had any of that, he was only ever in it for his own glory.

Besides, Jamie Lyon has just been voted most overrated player - do you agree with that?

IrnBruMan

07-12-2007, 12:08 AM

Great call. Its a team sport regardless. Who cares if one team didn't beat another. It doesn't prove if one particular player was better or not. Mundine has the most biased team of nuthuggers on all of ESB... BAR NONE!

Exactly - Mundine had 12 other players to hide his mistakes behind when he played league, except of course for the ones he made in the 99 grand final :yep

They were plain to see for anyone watching that game :lol:

Hmmm

07-12-2007, 12:22 AM

meh

jahobe

07-12-2007, 02:50 AM

EelsRule

07-12-2007, 04:36 AM

1) Lyon is the most over rated player in the game. No way did he deserve an origin spot, a Kangaroo jersey last year or the money he is on at the moment. In fact, having seen a few of his games this year, I wonder how far off reserve grade he could be.
2) Mundine was better than Daley at that stage in their careers, but obviously over the span Daley was much more succeesful. It would have been interesting to see Mundine finish his career though.
3) Fittler was always better than Mundine. Fittler was excellent and if your opinion is otherwise your just wrong. Its not a matter of opinion but fact.
4) Mundine won a GF with Brisbane.

ashley

07-12-2007, 08:09 AM

BigglesBiggles

07-12-2007, 08:17 AM

Mundine done backflips when he scored tries.....that's about all I remember.....yawn, if I wanna watch gymnastics, I'll put on a porno:D

westside

07-12-2007, 10:53 AM

...and you've respected such a crap post with 2 pages of responses

BigglesBiggles

07-12-2007, 11:09 AM

...and you've respected such a crap post with 2 pages of responses

You've got me all wrong.......it's not that I don't like Mundine's athletic ability.........I just like porn better:D

westside

07-12-2007, 11:25 AM

You've got me all wrong.......it's not that I don't like Mundine's athletic ability.........I just like porn better:D

yeah.. this wasnt at you directly. i just couldnt believe that such an untrue statement as munding making any sort of blemish on rugby league could warrant as much of a response!!

teke

07-12-2007, 01:29 PM

oztriker

07-12-2007, 04:09 PM

Mundine did get the better of fittler when they went head to head, but fittler and daley were both better footballers than mundine no doubt. But he did get overlooked a few times when he was in sparkling form when it came to origin

What the fuck does that mean? :huh

You are a fair dinkum retard.:patsch

This post just shows everybody what an absolute dribbler you really are.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mundine was selected as a Reserve for State of Origin for 3 games in 1999 and had hardly any gametime.:deal

And he didn't set the world on fire when he came on.

End of story.:bart

IrnBruMan

07-12-2007, 10:04 PM

I would love to see how many games they all played aswell :yep

go for it - google 'rugby league tables' - and that's no excuse - Mundine chose to leave the NRL, trying to make out his average was better than Daley's or Fittler's is pointless, because he may well have suffered debilitating injuires that prevented him playing as many games as them anyway.

Also, do you agree with Manly being voted the most overrated team in the NRL, and Jamie Lyon being the most overrated player? Come on teke, answer this please, you know why I want you to answer this, and I know why you haven't answered it yet :yep :deal

westside

07-12-2007, 10:48 PM

teke

07-12-2007, 11:49 PM

go for it - google 'rugby league tables' - and that's no excuse - Mundine chose to leave the NRL, trying to make out his average was better than Daley's or Fittler's is pointless, because he may well have suffered debilitating injuires that prevented him playing as many games as them anyway.

Also, do you agree with Manly being voted the most overrated team in the NRL, and Jamie Lyon being the most overrated player? Come on teke, answer this please, you know why I want you to answer this, and I know why you haven't answered it yet :yep :dealI havnt answered it yet cause i just woke up, i finish work weekdays at 4am :deal

Manly overrated...pffft! Cunts

...and yes I think Jamie Lyons is overrated abit this year. I havnt seen him do anything near what he did for Parramatta. It doesnt help that he is playing in a position he cant play in.

It is pointless showing how many games Mundine has played compared to Daley and Fittler but I was just curious to why you left that critical factor out :think

teke

07-12-2007, 11:52 PM

the only team manly can't be overrated over, is melbourne.
...and gosh, i hope you're not a roosters supporter! :lol:Nah he's a Manly supporter like myself.

They can overrate us when we are holding the trophy this year :deal

Dr Gonzo

07-12-2007, 11:53 PM

Nah he's a Manly supporter like myself.

They can overrate us when we are holding the trophy this year :deal

the mighty tigers will give you buggers a toweling up tonight :deal robbie farah will tear your defence apart

teke

07-12-2007, 11:57 PM

the mighty tigers will give you buggers a toweling up tonight :deal robbie farah will tear your defence apartTwo week avatar bet cunt...or do you have a vagina like Leckie does :think

Dr Gonzo

07-13-2007, 12:07 AM

yep its fucken on - i still have this one from another bet but im sure you can wait a month should you win

you going to the game?

teke

07-13-2007, 12:18 AM

yep its fucken on - i still have this one from another bet but im sure you can wait a month should you win

you going to the game?Nah not going to game I live up here on the Goldy. Deal is done. I thought Leckie would have wanted revenge from the first encounter :lol:

Dr Gonzo

07-13-2007, 12:25 AM

Nah not going to game I live up here on the Goldy. Deal is done. I thought Leckie would have wanted revenge from the first encounter :lol:

i am surprised he didnt get in on it :D

farah and lawrence to score the first two tries :happy

jahobe

07-13-2007, 02:31 AM

What the fuck does that mean? :huh

You are a fair dinkum retard.:patsch

This post just shows everybody what an absolute dribbler you really are.:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mundine was selected as a Reserve for State of Origin for 3 games in 1999 and had hardly any gametime.:deal

And he didn't set the world on fire when he came on.

End of story.:bart

Your a fuckin idiot mate. very angry aren't you oz. i know he was picked and the fact that you say he got hardly any game time is exactly what i mean, i can't recall what year but there was one year were he was on fire for a about 7 games and he was the form no. 6, not saying he is overall better then fittler but he was better then him in the lead up to that particular origin and should have started.

hardly any game time is the reason i say he was overlooked, it's hard to set the world on fire with hardly any game time.

so what the fuck does that mean? you asked. thats what i mean.
understand.

So before you call me a retard and a dribbler maybe think a bit first.
because it seems that every post you put up including this one really shows the angry dribble you are capable of.

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 02:33 AM

I havnt answered it yet cause i just woke up, i finish work weekdays at 4am :deal

Manly overrated...pffft! Cunts

...and yes I think Jamie Lyons is overrated abit this year. I havnt seen him do anything near what he did for Parramatta. It doesnt help that he is playing in a position he cant play in.

It is pointless showing how many games Mundine has played compared to Daley and Fittler but I was just curious to why you left that critical factor out :think

nice try nuthugger :yep

I first posed this question to you yesterday, and instead of answering it you asked me how many games Mundine played instead :yep

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Originally Posted by teke
It's all a matter of opinion and i just dont think Fitler was all that great like a Lewis, Johns or Daley. Pecks stated above that players need good packs in front of them etc etc and Fitler had that for alot of his career and when you have a great team your stats are healthy aswell.

Im not the only one who thinks Freddy was overrated, he did win that award 4 yrs running as voted by his peers :lol:

Answer to your post - yes I like to shit stir quickly before running off to work :hey

yeah, but there are other qualities that make a great player that aren't always visible to the public - Fittler has great leadership qualities, and a charisma that made other players want to follow his lead.

Mundine never had any of that, he was only ever in it for his own glory.

Besides, Jamie Lyon has just been voted most overrated player - do you agree with that?

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 02:36 AM

pecks

07-13-2007, 03:32 AM

now why the fuck is it that in the big moving rampage this thread got left alone?

btw broncos v cowboys is the game of the round.

how can manly be the most over rated team in the comp when everyone thinks they're shit and they're coming second?

lyon is definitely one of the most over rated players.Manly/Tigers is the game of the round you ponce.
Time to cut down on the moonshire and get yer arse to a dentist. :yep

westside

07-13-2007, 03:54 AM

im not so confident about tonight. i'm not saying we will lose.. but im not gonna jump on here goin crazy. and especially since the way the tigpies played last week!!!

pecks

07-13-2007, 03:56 AM

im not so confident about tonight. i'm not saying we will lose.. but im not gonna jump on here goin crazy. and especially since the way the tigpies played last week!!!I tipped the Tigpies.
I rate Manly, I tipped them to finish top 4, and it looks as though they should finish 2nd. I just think they can be beat.
If Souths finish 7th , I'd much rather play Manly at Brookie, than Melbourne at Melbourne.

pecks

07-13-2007, 04:11 AM

he played fittler and daley a combined total of around 20 odd times thats a bit different to once u idiot:patsch:nonoRead my other post you sadistic serpant seed.
If that stat is true, then it's more a coincidental statictic than an actual reflection of how they played during their games.
I remember a semi between The Roosters and St.George in 99 I think it was, when St.George won, but Fittler had a blinder and outplayed Mundine.

EelsRule

07-13-2007, 04:15 AM

Choc 1 is that statisitc true, or nuthugging? I find it hard to believe and if it is true I can definately understand why Mundine thought he was better than those two. 20/0 is unbelievable.
Mundine was the best 5/8 in the season 1999 and his form in the final series was on another level altogether. I'd be surprised if he wasnt Dally M 5/8 of the year. Of course, as we all remember, and the thing I respect the most about Mundine is that he cost St George the grand final. Legendary.

shanemfr

07-13-2007, 05:34 AM

Wow out playing an aged Daley who was virtually 1 legged for the most part of the latter 1990's has about as much cred as beating Thomas Hearns when he tried to make his comeback. Plus Daley could actually tackle.

shanemfr

07-13-2007, 06:29 AM

forgot about freddie did we?
Nope i was never a fan of his, i always thought he was over rated. Daley was a freak at his prime even when he did have knee problems he still out played many, a lot of people forget he was taken away from the centres where he use to have true speed before injuries then he was put into 5/8.

teke

07-13-2007, 10:46 AM

nice try nuthugger :yep

I first posed this question to you yesterday, and instead of answering it you asked me how many games Mundine played instead :yep

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It's all a matter of opinion and i just dont think Fitler was all that great like a Lewis, Johns or Daley. Pecks stated above that players need good packs in front of them etc etc and Fitler had that for alot of his career and when you have a great team your stats are healthy aswell.

Im not the only one who thinks Freddy was overrated, he did win that award 4 yrs running as voted by his peers :lol:

Answer to your post - yes I like to shit stir quickly before running off to work :hey

yeah, but there are other qualities that make a great player that aren't always visible to the public - Fittler has great leadership qualities, and a charisma that made other players want to follow his lead.

Mundine never had any of that, he was only ever in it for his own glory.

Besides, Jamie Lyon has just been voted most overrated player - do you agree with that?You have confused me with this post :huh

So all you want me to do is answer how many games each have played?

I know Mundine has played about 90 games, so how many has Daley and Fittler played? I tried googling them but it took too long. I know Fittler is well over 300 games and Daley must be close. Maybe he should have stuck around to see how far he could have got. He certainly had the talent :hey

I didnt need an answer to why you left out the number of games, you know my pt was to prove that he certainly played alot less. But you knew this anyway cause you and I my matey know each other he he.

teke

07-13-2007, 10:50 AM

Nope i was never a fan of his, i always thought he was over rated. Daley was a freak at his prime even when he did have knee problems he still out played many, a lot of people forget he was taken away from the centres where he use to have true speed before injuries then he was put into 5/8.I 100% agree with all that was said. Hope this doesnt turn you off that a nuthugger agrees :p

pecks

07-13-2007, 03:06 PM

I'm quite amazed at all these people who think Fittler was overrated. You just have to look at what the Roosters achieved with him, compared to now.
they went to grand finals with him, to not being able to make the semis without him, not once have they made it since he retired.

the Knights look to have already solved their #7 problem, and Johns has only been retired for 2 or so months (not saying it's a perfect void, but it's one they've stuck with) the Roosters are still trying to find a replacement that has somewhat of an effect Freddy had, and it's been 3 or so years since he retired.

EelsRule

07-13-2007, 08:54 PM

Mundine actually only ever said he was better than Daley at the time in question. He said Daley is running on old legs and I starch him. Which was true. Shane has even agreed with that.

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 10:06 PM

that still says alot for mundine to never lose against them once they are to greats i dont really give a fuck whatever u idiot

:lol:

It's a team sport you assclown

Mundine never 'beat' Fittler or Daley because it wasn't one-on-one competition

The only way to measure these 3 against each other is to look at their stats, which I posted earlier in the thread

Mundine comes 3rd in tries, field goals, total points and Grand Final participation :deal

Suck it up nuthugger :yep

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 10:08 PM

You have confused me with this post :huh

So all you want me to do is answer how many games each have played?

I know Mundine has played about 90 games, so how many has Daley and Fittler played? I tried googling them but it took too long. I know Fittler is well over 300 games and Daley must be close. Maybe he should have stuck around to see how far he could have got. He certainly had the talent :hey

I didnt need an answer to why you left out the number of games, you know my pt was to prove that he certainly played alot less. But you knew this anyway cause you and I my matey know each other he he.

:lol:

I know you think you have a sidestep akin to Benji Marshall's but my question was at the end of the post I quoted - indicated by the '?' after it :yep

But you've since answered it anyway :D

PS - GO YOU EEGULLZ!!!!!

kel

07-13-2007, 10:10 PM

Mundine: 59 tries, 3 field goals, 244 points, Grand Final wins 0
Fittler: 122 tries, 114 field goals, 526 points, Grand Final wins 2
Daley: 87 tries, 44 field goals, 445 points, Grand Final wins 3

Crunch those stats instead of Mundine's nuts you fag

Actually these figures don't mean a great deal if you don't include games played....a percentage can be applied and it will give us a better guide. :good

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 10:21 PM

Actually these figures don't mean a great deal if you don't include games played....a percentage can be applied and it will give us a better guide. :good

And then you can add in games not played due to injury etc, if you really want to get technical about it - say Mundine had played for as long as Daley and Fittler, how many games would you have him sidelined due to injury for?

Or maybe we can all just look at the facts and see that the teams Fittler and Daley played in had a hell of a lot more success in getting the chocolates in September than the team Mundine played for.

Or even refer to the opinions of the rugby league experts back then - I don't believe I ever heard Ray ****** referring to Mundine as 'arguably the best 5/8 in the world" (or even in the NRL) at the time :yep

I also recall Peter Sterling on the Footy Show saying to Mundine's face a week after he announced his retirement from league, that while he thought Mundine was a great player, he didn't display the qualities week in and week out required to be selected at representative level.

No doubt we're going to start hearing how Mundine was the highest paid NRL player at the time as some sort of reason for saying he was better than Daley and Fittler, but as we all know, that was Superleague craziness, and he wasn't the only one on that sort of cash anyway.

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 11:17 PM

thats bcoz they played a hell of alot more games you wanker:yep

On this note, I'll spell it our for you:

You are ASSUMING that if Mundine had played as many games as Fittler and Daley that he would have scored more tries, more field goals, and participated in more winning grand finals.

No doubt you nuthuggers base your opinion on the same fairyfloss thin air stuff you base your opinions on his potential as a boxer.

Notice a trend here? Mundine never achieved what Fittler and Daley did in the NRL, but you clowns are all convinced he COULD have.

Mundine hasn't achieved as much as Kessler and Calzaghe in boxing but you clowns are all convinced he's shown enough potential to be considered a P4Per :rofl

Seems Mundine doesn't actually have to achieve anything, you idiots talk him up enough to make the actually 'doing' part of an achievement totally irrelevant when it comes to Mundine :lol:

Show some respect to Daley and Fittler you wankers. Mundine didn't stay in the game long enough to deserve to even be mentioned next to these 2 greats, nevermind suggested that he was better, based on a couple of dazzling runs here and there.

And BTW, Daley's 1/4 Aboriginal - how was it he was constantly selected as rep 5/8? Wasn't that the reason why Mundine wasn't selected? Because the selectors were racist? Give me a break :patsch

kel

07-13-2007, 11:35 PM

Just imagine how many games Daley wld have played for Australia if he wasn't 1/4 Aboringinal :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

teke

07-13-2007, 11:38 PM

Just imagine how many games Daley wld have played for Australia if he wasn't 1/4 Aboringinal :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol::lol:

My fav player Rowdy Shearer was part Aboriginal aswell, he played stacks of rep games

kel

07-13-2007, 11:41 PM

:lol:

My fav player Rowdy Shearer was part Aboriginal aswell, he played stacks of rep games

Yeah Rowdy was a genius player in his day........pity about that nurse he had dealings with :lol: :patsch

teke

07-13-2007, 11:42 PM

On this note, I'll spell it our for you:

You are ASSUMING that if Mundine had played as many games as Fittler and Daley that he would have scored more tries, more field goals, and participated in more winning grand finals.

Im assuming he would have scored more tries than either of those two but that's aboput all i got for a comeback :yep

teke

07-13-2007, 11:43 PM

Yeah Rowdy was a genius player in his day........pity about that nurse he had dealings with :lol: :patschBullshit he didnt rape her :nono

I got sources that know sources that said she made it up :deal :yep

kel

07-13-2007, 11:46 PM

Bullshit he didnt rape her :nono

I got sources that know sources that said she made it up :deal :yep

Who said anything about rape :hey :hey

teke

07-13-2007, 11:47 PM

And then you can add in games not played due to injury etc, if you really want to get technical about it - say Mundine had played for as long as Daley and Fittler, how many games would you have him sidelined due to injury for?Mundine lived a clean lifestyle ie. no drugs, no booze and trained very hard and could very well have been injury free throughout his entire rugby career allowing him to score a bucketload of dazzling tries. The lord of the dance would have done it for his ppl and the homeless child he took under his wings.

:lol::lol::lol:

pecks

07-13-2007, 11:47 PM

I agree with Muttley. Fittler and Daley were better 5/8's than Mundine and deserve all the accolades they get. Mundine merely raised the "What if?" question, and that same question hasn't been answered yet in boxing.

Fittler was much better defensively than Mundine, had a better kicking game, had a better read of the game, and was obviously more of a team player. Fittler also had an awesome step. Mundine had a bit more pizzaz though, but thats about it.

Daley was also more solid in defence, and probably had a better kicking game. He wasn't as fast or as elusive as Mundine, but could often break the tackle, etc.
While Mundine was the man at St.George, Daley was close to being the man at NSW.

Also, a players salary doesn't relate to how good a player they are. Just look at Souths for example. We have Joe Galovau on $350,000 per year, and he's playing in the Queensland Cup. We also pay hegarty $300,000 to rush up out of the defensive line 2 times a game and let in 8 points.

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 11:47 PM

Just imagine how many games Daley wld have played for Australia if he wasn't 1/4 Aboringinal :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you agree that Mundine's whining about racist selectors preventing him from playing rep games is unfounded :D

pecks

07-13-2007, 11:50 PM

Mundine lived a clean lifestyle ie. no drugs, no booze and trained very hard and could very well have been injury free throughout his entire rugby career allowing him to score a bucketload of dazzling tries. The lord of the dance would have done it for his ppl and the homeless child he took under his wings.

Please stop referring to Mundine as 'Lord of the Dance' :p

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 11:50 PM

Mundine lived a clean lifestyle ie. no drugs, no booze and trained very hard and could very well have been injury free throughout his entire rugby career allowing him to score a bucketload of dazzling tries. The lord of the dance would have done it for his ppl and the homeless child he took under his wings.

:lol::lol::lol:Wow, how on earth did such a godlike being tear his bicep fighting a tin can? :think :lol:

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 11:52 PM

Also, a players salary doesn't relate to how good a player they are. Just look at Souths for example. We have Joe Galovau on $350,000 per year, and he's playing in the Queensland Cup. We also pay hegarty $300,000 to rush up out of the defensive line 2 times a game and let in 8 points.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

pecks

07-13-2007, 11:53 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:It's not funny, it's depressing.

IrnBruMan

07-13-2007, 11:53 PM

It's not funny, it's depressing.

How fucken good was Gecko Cuthbertson last night :scaredas:

kel

07-13-2007, 11:54 PM

So you agree that Mundine's whining about racist selectors preventing him from playing rep games is unfounded :D

You must have confessed me for someone else, i have never stated/believed that Mundine didn't get picked because he was aboringinal :deal

All i said is compare the number of games played by all 3 in uestion.

For the record Freddy was a better player then Choc but Daley was a bit overrated playing in a great Canberra side inside big Mal and outside Stuart.

pecks

07-13-2007, 11:57 PM

How fucken good was Gecko Cuthbertson last night :scaredas:I missed the game. I was watching us getting raped by the Oilers in soccer, which was also depressing. :-(

teke

07-14-2007, 12:00 AM

Wow, how on earth did such a godlike being tear his bicep fighting a tin can? :think :lol:Beats me :huh:D

teke

07-14-2007, 12:01 AM

How fucken good was Gecko Cuthbertson last night :scaredas:who the fuck is that

teke

07-14-2007, 12:04 AM

teke

07-14-2007, 12:33 AM

i think we should all just agree that if mundine had have kept playing footy he would have eclipsed all of fitler and daley's records.. had the dally m renamed the mundine award and probably would have been knightedfair call and done :good

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 04:41 AM

You must have confessed me for someone else, i have never stated/believed that Mundine didn't get picked because he was aboringinal :deal

All i said is compare the number of games played by all 3 in uestion.

For the record Freddy was a better player then Choc but Daley was a bit overrated playing in a great Canberra side inside big Mal and outside Stuart.

'confessed' :lol: No, I haven't confused you with someone else, from your previous post I gather you were implying Daley only got picked to play for Australia because he was 1/4 Aboriginal, which totally blows smoke up the arse of Mundine's complaint that was the reason why he was never picked.

Anyway, fair enough, but the fact remains that Mundine didn't hang around long enough to prove he ws a better 5/8 than Fittler or Daley.

As far as supporting players? The same argument could be made for Mundine.:good

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 04:44 AM

who the fuck is that

Adam Cuthbertson :deal

What sort of Manly supporter are ya when you missed arguably the best performance by a bench front rower in the history of the game? :yep

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 04:45 AM

That's all i got and am just stirring with it :D

:lol: I know this :yep

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 04:46 AM

pecks

07-14-2007, 04:51 AM

What sort of Manly supporter are ya when you missed arguably the best performance by a bench front rower in the history of the game? :yepBetter than Mundine's efforts coming off the bench in origin? :D

I missed the game too, I was watching our joke of a soccer team bludge it against Iraq. It sounded like a good win though, cos The Tigers are a pretty decent team. Add that to the 56 - 0 win last week and you guys are probably the form team in the comp.
I still think Manly might be vulnerable in the semis. :p

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 05:04 AM

Better than Mundine's efforts coming off the bench in origin? :D

I missed the game too, I was watching our joke of a soccer team bludge it against Iraq. It sounded like a good win though, cos The Tigers are a pretty decent team. Add that to the 56 - 0 win last week and you guys are probably the form team in the comp.
I still think Manly might be vulnerable in the semis. :p

ah look - it was a good win, but tiggers weren't on song - Farah isn't a #7, and they sorely missed him running the ball and putting his kicks through close to the tryline...but Cuthbertson has some skill - he was offloading beautifully and delaying his offloads for the second runner as he was going down in tackles.

As far as Manly being premiership material, I need to see them convincingly beat a side like NQ, Bronocs (easier with Lockyer out for the season :yep ), or the Storm at this point in the season before I'm 100% confident.

They've got a little way to go, but they've definitely got the ability.

Watmough was another one who had a good game, and Lyon linked up with Beaver to put on 2 tries...who'd have thought, 7/8 years since Cliffy retired we'd be seeing another Lyon putting Beaver through for tries? :happy

PS - yeah, better than Mundine off the bench in SOO - Gecko laid on 2 tries and never stopped once he came on

pecks

07-14-2007, 05:18 AM

ah look - it was a good win, but tiggers weren't on song - Farah isn't a #7, and they sorely missed him running the ball and putting his kicks through close to the tryline...but Cuthbertson has some skill - he was offloading beautifully and delaying his offloads for the second runner as he was going down in tackles.

As far as Manly being premiership material, I need to see them convincingly beat a side like NQ, Bronocs (easier with Lockyer out for the season :yep ), or the Storm at this point in the season before I'm 100% confident.

They've got a little way to go, but they've definitely got the ability.

Watmough was another one who had a good game, and Lyon linked up with Beaver to put on 2 tries...who'd have thought, 7/8 years since Cliffy retired we'd be seeing another Lyon putting Beaver through for tries? :happy

PS - yeah, better than Mundine off the bench in SOO - Gecko laid on 2 tries and never stopped once he came onManly have continued to improve each year for the last few seasons. Hopefully Souths can follow in their footsteps.
It seems Menzies has been around forever. The guy is still a quality player, and I remember him lighting up the scene in 94, or 95. Good to see him stick by the club when they had their thin period from 99 - 04ish.

Lockyer missing the rest of the season pretty much puts the Broncos to bed imo. They might even miss the 8 for the first time since the late eighties, or early nineties.
It could be good news for Souths though, as they're one of the 7 teams still in the running for that 7, and 8 spot. :thumbsup

Big game tomorrow against The Eels. If we put in a performance like we did last week, we should probably get the job done, but I'm never confident when it comes to Souths. :scaredas:

IrnBruMan

07-14-2007, 05:44 AM

Manly have continued to improve each year for the last few seasons. Hopefully Souths can follow in their footsteps.
It seems Menzies has been around forever. The guy is still a quality player, and I remember him lighting up the scene in 94, or 95. Good to see him stick by the club when they had their thin period from 99 - 04ish.

Lockyer missing the rest of the season pretty much puts the Broncos to bed imo. They might even miss the 8 for the first time since the late eighties, or early nineties.
It could be good news for Souths though, as they're one of the 7 teams still in the running for that 7, and 8 spot. :thumbsup

Big game tomorrow against The Eels. If we put in a performance like we did last week, we should probably get the job done, but I'm never confident when it comes to Souths. :scaredas:

Beaver is evergreen :yep

Remember his tackles in SOO last year? He was cutting blokes in half - even managed to break his club team-mate Steve Bell's jaw :lol:

Last night he stopped that big ugly cuzzy bro Chewbacca in his tracks twice :nod

oztriker

07-15-2007, 04:01 AM

Sorry but Fitler aint anything

Brad Fittler burst onto the scene as a teenage prodigy in 1989, destined to become one of the all-time greats of rugby league.
Blessed with a mesmerising sidestep that would tear defences to ribbons for the next 17 years, it was little wonder Fittler was the centre of a selection storm in his maiden season.
Penrith coach Ron Willey identified Fittler's prodigious talents and preferred him at five-eighth ahead of veterans and former representative players Chris Mortimer and Brad Izzard for the '89 semi-final series.
Fittler did the job for the prophetic Willey and so began a brilliant career spanning three decades.
In 1990, he became the first player to graduate from an Australian schoolboys team to senior national team in successive years.
In doing so, he earned the distinction of being Penrith's first home-grown Test player - the first of countless honours for the young man now affectionately known as "Freddie".
The same season, at 18 years and 114 days, Fittler became the youngest player in State of Origin history and then, 115 days later, the youngest Kangaroo tourist of Great Britain.

A year later, after scoring a try in Penrith's 1990 grand final loss to Canberra, Fittler was a member of the Panthers' first-ever premiership-winning team.
As a teenager, Fittler had remarkably won a grand final and Test and State of Origin jumpers.
It was an unprecedented rise to the top.
He was always the first and youngest.
Yet there was - and perhaps remains - so much more to come.
A veteran of 34 Tests for Australia, Fittler captained his country for the first time in 1995, guiding the Kangaroos to a 3-0 whitewash of New Zealand.
The champion five-eighth left Penrith, after 105 first-grade games for the club, at the end of 1995 when the Panthers announced their intentions to defect to Super League.
Fittler signed the richest contract in rugby league to join the Roosters for more than $500,000 a season, under the coaching of former Penrith mentor and long-time friend Phil Gould.
But it was under Graham Murray, not Gould, that Fittler led the Roosters to their first grand final in 25 years in 2000.

How shall I put this gently.........

YOU LOSE! end of story.:D

BTW....... There were heaps of times that Teams with Daley or Fittler defeated St George (with Mundine)..........so I have no idea where all this bullshit came from.:roll:

oztriker

07-15-2007, 05:12 AM

Exactly - Mundine had 12 other players to hide his mistakes behind when he played league, except of course for the ones he made in the 99 grand final :yep

They were plain to see for anyone watching that game :lol:

I thought you might enjoy this......:lol: :lol: :lol:

[edit ([Only registered and activated users can see links])] Rugby League

Mundine played junior rugby league ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) for Hurstville United before signing with the St. George Dragons ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in 1993 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). He played in the 1993 Grand Final, which the Dragons lost to his future team, the Brisbane Broncos ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
In 1994 he represented the Junior Kangaroos that beat Great Britain U’19s in the curtain-raiser to the Australia v. France Test at Parrmatta Stadium.
In 1996 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he played in another losing Grand Final, this time against the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). At the end of that season he announced that he was signing with the Brisbane Broncos in the Super League competition ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
In 1997 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he played 18 games for the Broncos, scoring 3 tries.[3] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) He also played in his first winning Grand Final team, beating the Cronulla Sharks ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). In 1998 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he returned to the Dragons, and single handedly lost them the 1999 Grand Final through hogging the ball just before half time when he had 2 unmarked players either side of him, 1 metre out from the try line. If he had passed the ball instead of trying to be a hero the Dragons would have most definitley sealed the game. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: This played on Mundines mind during the start of the next season, in the end he fled the game through embarrasment only to return and quit rugby league half way through 2000 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) season.
Mundine was selected as a reserve for New South Wales in 1999 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in each of the three matches in the State of Origin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) series. He was disappointed that further representative honours did not follow, and believed that his representative opportunities did not reflect his abilities and achievements at club level. He raised the issue of racism ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as a possible explanation for this. He played in his last Grand Final in 1999, losing to the Melbourne Storm ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

He was never a "TEAM" Player.......It was then and is now and always wil be about "HIM". :roll:

teke

07-15-2007, 05:26 AM

I thought you might enjoy this......:lol: :lol: :lol:

[edit ([Only registered and activated users can see links])] Rugby League

Mundine played junior rugby league ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) for Hurstville United before signing with the St. George Dragons ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in 1993 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). He played in the 1993 Grand Final, which the Dragons lost to his future team, the Brisbane Broncos ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
In 1994 he represented the Junior Kangaroos that beat Great Britain U’19s in the curtain-raiser to the Australia v. France Test at Parrmatta Stadium.
In 1996 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he played in another losing Grand Final, this time against the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). At the end of that season he announced that he was signing with the Brisbane Broncos in the Super League competition ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).
In 1997 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he played 18 games for the Broncos, scoring 3 tries.[3] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) He also played in his first winning Grand Final team, beating the Cronulla Sharks ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). In 1998 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) he returned to the Dragons, and single handedly lost them the 1999 Grand Final through hogging the ball just before half time when he had 2 unmarked players either side of him, 1 metre out from the try line. If he had passed the ball instead of trying to be a hero the Dragons would have most definitley sealed the game. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: This played on Mundines mind during the start of the next season, in the end he fled the game through embarrasment only to return and quit rugby league half way through 2000 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) season.
Mundine was selected as a reserve for New South Wales in 1999 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) in each of the three matches in the State of Origin ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) series. He was disappointed that further representative honours did not follow, and believed that his representative opportunities did not reflect his abilities and achievements at club level. He raised the issue of racism ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) as a possible explanation for this. He played in his last Grand Final in 1999, losing to the Melbourne Storm ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

He was never a "TEAM" Player.......It was then and is now and always wil be about "HIM". :roll:I tihnk you need to watch how he dropped the ball, he was diving over the line and it was knocked out unfortunately ha ha. I've watched it many times as i have the game on video :yep:yep Not his fault he was fighting the dreaded St Merge curse :deal:hi:

oztriker

07-15-2007, 06:20 AM

I tihnk you need to watch how he dropped the ball, he was diving over the line and it was knocked out unfortunately ha ha. I've watched it many times as i have the game on video :yep:yep Not his fault he was fighting the dreaded St Merge curse :deal:hi:

WRONG!........ Mundine passes the ball and he makes certain of the try and wins the Grand Final.........But Mundine being the "Glory Hound" he has always been, hogged the ball and blew the Grand Final.

It doesn't matter what spin you put on it......his ego lost the game.

It's kid stuff........if it comes to a choice between risking breaking a tackle or passing to an unmarked player......it is a no brainer. (which seems sorts appropriate in Mundine's case) :hi:

I can't believe that you can even compare him to Fittler.......Check their comparative records......... Mundine isn't even in the same ballpark.

BTW........All the experts seem to disagree with you.

And the biggest point of all.......is that old OZ himself........Runaway winner of the 2006 ESB NRL Tipping Competition agrees with the "other" experts. :D

teke

07-15-2007, 06:43 AM

WRONG!........ Mundine passes the ball and he makes certain of the try and wins the Grand Final.........But Mundine being the "Glory Hound" he has always been, hogged the ball and blew the Grand Final.

It doesn't matter what spin you put on it......his ego lost the game.

It's kid stuff........if it comes to a choice between risking breaking a tackle or passing to an unmarked player......it is a no brainer. (which seems sorts appropriate in Mundine's case) :hi:

I can't believe that you can even compare him to Fittler.......Check their comparative records......... Mundine isn't even in the same ballpark.

BTW........All the experts seem to disagree with you.

And the biggest point of all.......is that old OZ himself........Runaway winner of the 2006 ESB NRL Tipping Competition agrees with the "other" experts. :D How about i dumb it down for you...ball in hand fall over the line, gets knocked out by player. You havnt seen the incident since then have you? You make it sound like he was going through 20 ppl with 50 outside players all free.

He got St Merge closer to the cup than any captain in the last 20 years :lol:

Chokers

teke

07-15-2007, 06:57 AM

Im not even arguing that he didnt blow the game, just the incident being discussed.

If Kessler fights JC im coming to Sydney to watch it. So get ready for a big night :yep

EelsRule

07-15-2007, 07:23 AM

Mundine also made the line break that lead to the almost try. He was backing himself as the confident player he was. And to my great joy, stuffed it. Actually, Mundine got them to the grand final with his performances in the final series. Of course, its a team effort...but if you want to lay the blame on Mundine, you might want to give him all the credit as well.

oztriker

07-15-2007, 07:30 AM

How about i dumb it down for you...ball in hand fall over the line, gets knocked out by player. You havnt seen the incident since then have you? You make it sound like he was going through 20 ppl with 50 outside players all free.

He got St Merge closer to the cup than any captain in the last 20 years :lol:

Chokers

How about I dumb it down for you......... The experts all agree.......The ball should have been passed. (and my opinion, as winner of the ESB Tipping Comp counts ......... and yours means jack shit):hi:

Fittler would have made the pass:yep

BTW....You may be right about the "Chokers" Tag.......... There is no way known that I am gonna argue with an Allblack supporter about "CHOKING!" If anyone is an expert.....it's you.:hey