i have a problem with boxing fans.

[Slicknick56]

first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are fucking up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.

[Imperial1]

I think all boxers need a taste of humble pie ..It can prove them to be better fighters an better champions in the long run ..

[Slicknick56]

I think all boxers need a taste of humble pie ..It can prove them to be better fighters an better champions in the long run ..

i agree 100%.

theres no reason to dismiss a fighter after 1 loss. not just vic darchynian, the worst is when these so called EXPERTS or "fans" dismiss a young prospect after 1 loss and totlaly forget about them. or a young contender. losses arent the end of the world. look at Paulie Malignaggi.

[peter5]

I agree, a loss doesnt mean your shit, it means your testing yourself, or like you said, had a bad night at the office! its ho you come back from that loss that makes you the fighter people remember, Barrera, he came back from the two losses to junior jones, and then had the controversial loss (i thought he won) to Morales, yet he comes back, fights the best and hes an all time great, if more fighters were like Barrera, the sport would be in a lot better condition.:cool:

[Mook]

There's some truth in this, but the difference from back in the day is that fighters don't fight often enough - everyy fight is therefore that much bigger, every loss that much more hurtful.

Also, there is a greatness to learning from your mistakes. Lennox lost to mcCall, a boxer he was clearly superior to, but he was so determined to salvage his career and make the most of his talent that he improved his footwork and awkward combination punching. that took a lot of character, and a lot of boxing greatness.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Some fighters can learn from the mistakes while still in the fight though, and those fighters are the elite. Floyd Mayweather Jr. has made plenty of mistakes, but has overcome them before it was to late, and come out victorious. The next fight, he doesn't make that mistake any more.

I still love Vic, but I have always known he wasn't the best fighter. I just like the way he stalks all slow like Jayson Vorhese. I doubt he will learn fromt hat, he will still throw wild haymakers, he will never be a boxer, and will always leave himself open for that. But I still like him.

[Slicknick56]

There's some truth in this, but the difference from back in the day is that fighters don't fight often enough - everyy fight is therefore that much bigger, every loss that much more hurtful.

Also, there is a greatness to learning from your mistakes. Lennox lost to mcCall, a boxer he was clearly superior to, but he was so determined to salvage his career and make the most of his talent that he improved his footwork and awkward combination punching. that took a lot of character, and a lot of boxing greatness.

theres truth to that statement i agree.

[SugarShane_24]

and it's how a fighter comes back from a loss which defines their greatness. leonard, hearns, duran all had losses. yet they eventually won titles in other weights.

let's see if Vic doesn't go the hamed way, he got his ass handed to him, instead of seeking redemption, he walked away.


as of press time, darchinyan is expressing a move up to 115.

[Mook]

Some fighters can learn from the mistakes while still in the fight though, and those fighters are the elite. Floyd Mayweather Jr. has made plenty of mistakes, but has overcome them before it was to late, and come out victorious. The next fight, he doesn't make that mistake any more.

I still love Vic, but I have always known he wasn't the best fighter. I just like the way he stalks all slow like Jayson Vorhese. I doubt he will learn fromt hat, he will still throw wild haymakers, he will never be a boxer, and will always leave himself open for that. But I still like him.

Yes, this ability to adapt is pbf's most remarkable facet. against odlh and judah he really struggled early on, the dominated judah, and i would argue nicked it from odlh (i had pbf by two rounds). That's a superb ability - and why fighters need two or three fight plans vs pbf. i've always wondered whether pbf's opponents should have three rounds of one plan a, three of plan b, three of c, and 3 of d. it normally takes him that long to adapt against the very best, and if you changed before he adapted, pbf wouldn't get into a groove. a bit simplistic, i guess.

[lefthook31]

Definitely not your record, but your level of opposition. As far as Darchinian, if he continues to fight like he did last weekend, he will be just a bum, he showed nothing in the way of boxing ability, just an ability to throw big wide open power shots. Jeff Lacey did the same thing, and he got his ass handed to him by a technically sound fighter.
Best established undefeated fighter Floyd Mayweather
Best young undefeated fighter Miguel Cotto

[China_hand_Joe]

first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are fucking up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.It isn't the fans. Fans cannot think for themselves. It is the promoters and the media which are a problem.

[K0NPHL1C7]

What sucks is regardless of the fighter, if he is undefeated he is "untested" in the eyes of most. They start discrediting his oposition and looking for reasons to hate.

[Mook]

What sucks is regardless of the fighter, if he is undefeated he is "untested" in the eyes of most. They start discrediting his oposition and looking for reasons to hate.

Yeah, credit where it's due with pbf. he's beaten excellent fighters - i don't think he's anywhere near unbeatable, but the fact he's unbeaten against the opposition he's faced is pretty impressive. I mean, I believe that KT would have eaten him and that hatton will beat him, but you can't deny that most great boxers would have lost to at least one of the foes in pbf's w column. very impressive - and if he lost it shouldn't matter (but probably will, unfortunately), soa he has still beaten an amazing set of fighters.

[charlievint]

first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are fucking up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.

"0" in boxer don't mean much at all...It looks good and helps when a fighter FINALLY reaches a level that is considered Top 10 or even ELITE...but "0" are common in boxing from promoters and handlers babying their fighters by feeding them boxers with less than a pulse.

Vic is a good fighter...is he the best or ELITE...NO. He's very strong and intimidating which is why he had a lot of early success agasint boxers FAAAAAAR better than him in overall skills and boxing ability.

He's a crowd pleasing brawler with ALOT of power. I'm not sure why his power didn't do well agaisnt Nonito but he look REALLY small last Saturday.

The point is, Vic's a limited boxer with tremendous POWER that allowed him to do as well as he did. He got a reality check that his Chin isn't on the level of his power and needs to implement much needed DEFENSE if he wants to get his title back or KEEP it.

Vic can win anther title on his Power alone, but some boxer will not be scared of him and take advantage of his lack of defense, which was the case agaisnt nonito.

[ryanty22]

first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are fucking up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.

that is so true look at B-Hop. every loss even if it was a robbery decision like THREE that i can think of made him that much better and that much harder to beat B-Hop=ATG even with 4 losses on his record

[myk]

I agree but regarding Vic, how do you expect him to learn when he could not even accept his defeat?

[Grabonator]

first off lets talk about that 0 in the loss column that you fans love ohhh so much. i dont understand this new concept that 0 makes you elite. in my opinion it doesnt. 0 means you havnt learned from any mistakes yet. When a fighter loses like Vic Darchinyian this weekend you fake ass fans automatically write him off as a bum. you dont consider he might have had a bad night, or the fact that he can easily come back from this and become better. Losses are just learning experiences especially for fighters. back in the day, the guys we consider great, lost alllll the time and no one cared. its this new generation of fans that are fucking up the sport.

ill type more later, my hands hurt.

You know what?? You are right!! Thats why fighter like Miranda and lacy should not be written off yet!! Back in the day there where great fighters with some losses. Even today there are fighter like Glen Johnson who come back after some losses and be better than ever, or guys like Michael Sprott who has 10 losses already but seems to be in his prime now. The great Hopkins lost one of his first pro fight but where does he stand now? Sprott is no elite fighter but hes better than ever i think. Fighter with zero losses are either super elite or dont have fought the best opponents they could! Some fighter have the ubeatable status but thats bullshit everybody is beatable, we are only humans! Today manny fighters are just overprotected and dont take unnessecary chances to face dangerous opponents.

[the_what]

Im still waiting on Emmanuel Augustus to get his title shot. It would be a big 'fuck you' to the industry if he were to pick up a title with his record.

[charlievint]

Im still waiting on Emmanuel Augustus to get his title shot. It would be a big 'fuck you' to the industry if he were to pick up a title with his record.

That's why I dobut the "boxing" world would allow EA to get a title shot....and if they did, they make it a point to stack the odds against him.

[therealdeal]

I think it is a factor of the limited TV dates. An opponent with a 0 is much more attractive to a network than one with a few losses.

[unitas]

anyone who knows boxing knows the O is bullshit.

but for nuthuggers its a good tool to claim a fighter in invinsible......

[Decebal]

I agree, a loss doesnt mean your shit, it means your testing yourself, or like you said, had a bad night at the office! its ho you come back from that loss that makes you the fighter people remember, Barrera, he came back from the two losses to junior jones, and then had the controversial loss (i thought he won) to Morales, yet he comes back, fights the best and hes an all time great, if more fighters were like Barrera, the sport would be in a lot better condition.:cool:

Great post peter5, keep typing!:good

[Rollo]

I think that there´s a contradiction here - which boxers has more fans than De La Hoya and Holyfield?

[Shpion]

This is exactly the reason whey I have guys like Manny Pacquiao and Winky Wright above Floyd Mayweather on my pound for pound list. I could give two shits and a fuck about that "0" in the loss column...

Agree. Valuev had 0 until he started fighting a somewhat credible opposition.

[Street Lethal]

It's not if you lose but how you lose and who you lose to.

[brooklyn1550]

Sometimes a loss can help a fighter move forward....a lot of fans don't realize this and look too much into the 0 and not who guys have faced.

[Beebs]

the phrase "undefeated" carries far too much weight in the realm of todays boxing, if you don't crucify a guy for losing a fight or two, you might get to see the top guys matched up alot more often, and fighters fighting much more aggresively.