TOP 50 Fighters...off the top of my head...analyze please...

[Illmatic]

IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER...and I stress...this is off the top of my head...

Gene Tunney
Mickey Walker
Kid Chocolate
Kid Gavilan
Ike Williams
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Evander Holyfield
Ricardo Lopez
Manny Pacqauio
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Carlos Ortiz
Wilfredo Gomez
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Eder Jofre
Julio Cesar Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Terry McGovern
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Carlos Monzon
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Robinson
Tommy Loughran
Billy Conn
Harry Greb
Stanley Ketchel
Bob Foster
Roy Jones Jr.
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Archie Moore
Michael Spinks
George Foreman
Jack Johnson
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali

[McGrain]

Good stab off the top of your head.

But no Lanford. He's my number one, he can't possibley be outside the top 15 so if he's not in your 50...

No Barbados JOe Walcott, no Charley Burley...both top 25...

[McGrain]

You're also missing Ted Kid Lewis and Jack Britton, two more must haves...both are certainly above Hopkins.

[Florida boy]

You're also missing Ted Kid Lewis and Jack Britton, two more must haves...both are certainly above Hopkins.
why? because they fought so long ago that they must be good?

[McGrain]

why? because they fought so long ago that they must be good?

Yes, that's right.

OR.

Jack Britton - 350 fights in what is considered the "golden age" of the division, stopped once - in his sixth pro fight. He was also the champion of the world if that interests you.

I appreciate you are something of a modernist. But perhaps you need to learn about the fighters under consideration before you open your mouth.

[McGrain]

I consider Duilio Loi a top 50 fighter now (although I didn't the last time I made a list).

How about Joe Gans?

Ruben Olivares should be above Barrera, for example, in my opinion...Canzoneri? Surely he's one of the best 50?

Sorry for the multiple posts, just thinking as I go.

[Illmatic]

I consider Duilio Loi a top 50 fighter now (although I didn't the last time I made a list).

How about Joe Gans?

Ruben Olivares should be above Barrera, for example, in my opinion...Canzoneri? Surely he's one of the best 50?

Sorry for the multiple posts, just thinking as I go.

:yikes great picks, thanks man, cant believe i forgot loi and gans.

[bladerunner]

other than Ortiz who did Loi beat that was so good.i confess i never saw him fight but i dont think hes top 50.

[McGrain]

other than Ortiz who did Loi beat that was so good.i confess i never saw him fight but i dont think hes top 50.

Loi beat Ortiz twice and was robbed (by general concensus).

He also had a series of three with the underated Eddie Perkins going 1-1-1. I love that the Perkins win came so far past prime, it was Loi's last fight.

The man is 115-3. Three losses.

A hometown loss to the unheralded Johansen, later avenged, ATG Ortiz (robbery) later avenged, Perkins, an excellent champ, avenged.

Also - he was a lightweight. Loi moved up because he couldn't get a shot at the lightweight title. Head to head at lightweight - Duran, Whitaker, you'd need someone like that to beat him i'd bet. IF.

His other wins are solid rather than spectacular but other than beating absolutley everybody that is put in front of you, one weight above where you are best, what else can you do? What more do you want?

He's top 50 allright.

[bladerunner]

Loi beat Ortiz twice and was robbed (by general concensus).

He also had a series of three with the underated Eddie Perkins going 1-1-1. I love that the Perkins win came so far past prime, it was Loi's last fight.

The man is 115-3. Three losses.

A hometown loss to the unheralded Johansen, later avenged, ATG Ortiz (robbery) later avenged, Perkins, an excellent champ, avenged.

Also - he was a lightweight. Loi moved up because he couldn't get a shot at the lightweight title. Head to head at lightweight - Duran, Whitaker, you'd need someone like that to beat him i'd bet. IF.

His other wins are solid rather than spectacular but other than beating absolutley everybody that is put in front of you, one weight above where you are best, what else can you do? What more do you want?

He's top 50 allright.
i still think threres a lot of guys who fought and beat better comp than Loi did.
btw do you have Loche in your top 50?if you have Loi you need to have Loche in there too.

[McGrain]

i still think threres a lot of guys who fought and beat better comp than Loi did.

That might be true...but Hopkins isn't one of them, and I have him at #51. 115-3 with all losses avenged? If you're primarily interested in resume, where do you have Lopez?


btw do you have Loche in your top 50?if you have Loi you need to have Loche in there too.

Valid.

[JMP]

why? because they fought so long ago that they must be good?

no...because they fought and defeated great competition. give me a break.

[Illmatic]

Loche lost to Cervantes right?

[Sweet Pea]

IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER...and I stress...this is off the top of my head...

Gene Tunney
Mickey Walker
Kid Chocolate
Kid Gavilan
Ike Williams
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Evander Holyfield
Ricardo Lopez
Manny Pacqauio
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Carlos Ortiz
Wilfredo Gomez
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Eder Jofre
Julio Cesar Chavez
Azumah Nelson
Terry McGovern
Jimmy McLarnin
Barney Ross
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Bernard Hopkins
Marvin Hagler
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
Roberto Duran
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Carlos Monzon
Emile Griffith
Sugar Ray Robinson
Tommy Loughran
Billy Conn
Harry Greb
Stanley Ketchel
Bob Foster
Roy Jones Jr.
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Archie Moore
Michael Spinks
George Foreman
Jack Johnson
Joe Louis
Muhammad AliO'Brien, Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, Benitez, Tyson and a lot of the Heavyweights are too high for a P4P list I think. A few moe, but overall good fighters in there. Langford is top 5, so you might wanna make a place for him. Canzoneri and Gans are two good choices by McGrain, surely they belong.

[Sweet Pea]

Loche lost to Cervantes right?Beat him as well.

[McGrain]

I'm glad you've found a spot for Mayweather, I think he's earned it now.

[Marciano Frazier]

Loi beat Ortiz twice and was robbed (by general concensus).

He also had a series of three with the underated Eddie Perkins going 1-1-1. I love that the Perkins win came so far past prime, it was Loi's last fight.

The man is 115-3. Three losses.

A hometown loss to the unheralded Johansen, later avenged, ATG Ortiz (robbery) later avenged, Perkins, an excellent champ, avenged.

Also - he was a lightweight. Loi moved up because he couldn't get a shot at the lightweight title. Head to head at lightweight - Duran, Whitaker, you'd need someone like that to beat him i'd bet. IF.

His other wins are solid rather than spectacular but other than beating absolutley everybody that is put in front of you, one weight above where you are best, what else can you do? What more do you want?

He's top 50 allright.
Now, not to start a whole nother back-and-forth extended exchange, but nearly all of the arguments you just used apply equally well to Marciano, except without losing at all in the first place, and yet you still insist Rocky clearly doesn't belong in the top 50!

[McGrain]

Now, not to start a whole nother back-and-forth extended exchange, but nearly all of the arguments you just used apply equally well to Marciano, except without losing at all in the first place, and yet you still insist Rocky clearly doesn't belong in the top 50!

He's fat and has no hair.

[Mantequilla]

Can you provide evidence that the consensus is that Loi was robbed against ortiz.

I've read accounts that say all three fights were bad decisions as well as ones that say all were just.

[Illmatic]

Can you provide evidence that the consensus is that Loi was robbed against ortiz.

I've read accounts that say all three fights were bad decisions as well as ones that say all were just.

i wonder what the newspaper decisions were...