View Full Version : Can Juan Diaz be a PPV attraction???
PacDbest
03-08-2008, 02:36 PM
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
Relentless
03-08-2008, 02:37 PM
IMO he already is, he just needs alittle more expsosure, some hype.
uponone919
03-08-2008, 02:47 PM
he got my respect by far i cant wait until his fight tonight and i think that he should be the main event but tonight im glad that hes not because i will beable to watch the other great fight on tonight haye v mac
BigReg
03-08-2008, 02:57 PM
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
Lots of big name fighters fight in Casinos. He will never be anywhere near the level of DLH. The fact that he's American hurts his marketability among Mexicans. Also, he's a pudgy guy who doesn't have much KO power. He's going to be a hard guy to market.
truewarrior
03-08-2008, 03:02 PM
when he beats PAC MAN he will have more than enough popularity and exposure here in the US. The thing he has to focus on is maintaining a perfect record which will be a huge advantage to market him.
PacDbest
03-08-2008, 03:03 PM
Lots of big name fighters fight in Casinos. He will never be anywhere near the level of DLH. The fact that he's American hurts his marketability among Mexicans. Also, he's a pudgy guy who doesn't have much KO power. He's going to be a hard guy to market.
I agree with you here.
diaz - pacman would be PPV. as could diaz - hatton.
PacDbest
03-08-2008, 03:09 PM
when he beats PAC MAN he will have more than enough popularity and exposure here in the US. The thing he has to focus on is maintaining a perfect record which will be a huge advantage to market him.
Winning against a Superstar will not guarantee a PPV success. Just ask Raheem.
PacDbest
03-08-2008, 03:13 PM
diaz - pacman would be PPV. as could diaz - hatton.
Of course it's because Of Hatton & Pac. But can he be an attraction by himself???
The fact that he's American hurts his marketability among Mexicans.
I believe both Vargas and DLH were born in the U.S. Mexicans will back a fighter born in the U.S., provided he respects his Mexican heritage and fights with orgullo mexicano or Mexican pride.
Of course it's because Of Hatton & Pac. But can he be an attraction by himself???
yes, if he beats hatton or pac!
if not, i think he is still exciting enough to become a ppv attraction. he's young and has plenty of time to reach this kind of level of popularity.
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
He simply needs a big fight. Then he will be a star.
BigReg
03-08-2008, 03:23 PM
I believe both Vargas and DLH were born in the U.S. Mexicans will back a fighter born in the U.S., provided he respects his Mexican heritage and fights with orgullo mexicano or Mexican pride.
De La Hoya had to work to gain respect among Mexican fans. I'm not saying Mexican-Americans can't garner the support of Mexican fans. However, it's not as easy as if they were actually born and raised in Mexico.
Farmboxer
03-08-2008, 03:24 PM
Yes, he needs a big fight.
De La Hoya had to work to gain respect among Mexican fans. I'm not saying Mexican-Americans can't garner the support of Mexican fans. However, it's not as easy as if they were actually born and raised in Mexico.
No doubt. And many Mexican fans still don't like him for his bouts with Chavez. But they still order his fights.
truewarrior
03-08-2008, 03:40 PM
No doubt. And many Mexican fans still don't like him for his bouts with Chavez. But they still order his fights.
yea one of the main reasons mexican fans hated oscar so much was mainly because of the chavez bout, but I think DLH won the crown as a mexican when he defeated Vargas who talked shit about him about how he wasnt mexican.
BigReg
03-08-2008, 03:42 PM
yea one of the main reasons mexican fans hated oscar so much was mainly because of the chavez bout, but I think DLH won the crown as a mexican when he defeated Vargas who talked shit about him about how he wasnt mexican.
He also lost some cool points with them after the Tito fiasco.
psychopath
03-08-2008, 04:59 PM
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
What's missing? Good marketing and good opponents.
Diaz is another exciting action fighter . . . but DoN King is busy with other bullshits and sleeping on his job on Juan. Good he is already out of Diaz' career.
C HOP
03-08-2008, 05:02 PM
if he fought hatton that would be the biggest fight ever! do both these guys great reputatio, and would really sell out big
I think he will definitely become a PPV star... he has a very exciting style. He will appeal to both american and mexican fans. All he needs is some more exposure against top opposition. Putting forward an exciting performance today against Campbell is essential.
kerrminator
03-08-2008, 05:29 PM
IMO he already is, he just needs alittle more expsosure, some hype.
My thoughts exactly.
Im in Scotland and every boxing fan I know here rates Juan in the top 10 p4p
gambleer
03-08-2008, 05:32 PM
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
Freitas was done when Diaz beat him.
Mundo
03-08-2008, 05:39 PM
hes got eveyhitng to be it...just the guy has low KO output...thats all thats missing but the kid is young...good, good personality...gots his head straight....just the KOs kill his marketabilty IMO.
Freitas was done when Diaz beat him.
Freitas should have stepped away from the game then.
Vantage_West
03-08-2008, 05:45 PM
De La Hoya had to work to gain respect among Mexican fans. I'm not saying Mexican-Americans can't garner the support of Mexican fans. However, it's not as easy as if they were actually born and raised in Mexico.
de la hoyas main reason to fight chavez was so that you'll get a passing of the torch effect...but sadly chavez was so far passed it that he stopped him which made him hated even more....it was a long long times i think the vargas fight was the one where he got a majority of mexican fight fans on his side
41fever
03-08-2008, 06:39 PM
He already is!
THE BABY BULL IS THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!
aillmatic
03-08-2008, 07:16 PM
Winning against a Superstar will not guarantee a PPV success. Just ask Raheem.
difference with Diaz and Raheem is one is boring to watch, and the other is very entertaining. All Diaz needs is to fight a big name and win, someone casual boxing fans will know; not just die hard boxing fans. If he fights Pacquiao, or a Hatton and wins, I think he's a superstar.
joito3
03-08-2008, 08:18 PM
Nate Campbell is going to derail this train tonight !
J. Diaz needs a good promoter who is after his welfare. Don King doesn't fit that bill. Basically, he needs to be marketed. Marketing is part of every business and boxing is business.
greengloves
03-08-2008, 08:35 PM
My thoughts exactly.
Im in Scotland and every boxing fan I know here rates Juan in the top 10 p4p
im in scotland an i definatly don't,he hasn't defeated enough top players to be considered that,i rank himm top 15-20
Lance_Uppercut
03-08-2008, 08:42 PM
I got Juan's respect when he makes Freitas quit. He got another impressive win with Julio Diaz. But why is he still be fighting in an undercard of the HW fight in a ridiculed era of HWs??? Why is it there's no J Diaz Bandwagon??? He still fights in a Casino. Can he get the respect of Mexican fans like DLH??? What's missing with him???
He's fighting on the undercard becasue it's excellent exposure. He's steadily building his fan base. Do you expect him to instantly be a house hold name or something?:huh
Nate Campbell is going to derail this train tonight !
you call it! :good
FibreOptic
03-08-2008, 11:24 PM
Not anymore!!!
Chert
03-08-2008, 11:31 PM
juan diaz was a bit over-rated by people here. i guess he's not the elite fighter some people made him out to be. he's at best a high tier B-level fighter in the mould of a kessler.
campbell, on the other hand, has to be considered as A-level but not yet elite kinda like guzman and mijares. prob w/ campbell is that he's very inconsistent. he seems to fight in the level of his opponents in a given night. tonight he was A-level. but if his next opponent is not that good, he may drop his performance to a low-tier B-level boxer.
kg0208
03-08-2008, 11:35 PM
juan diaz was a bit over-rated by people here. i guess he's not the elite fighter some people made him out to be. he's at best a high tier B-level fighter in the mould of a kessler.
campbell, on the other hand, has to be considered as A-level but not yet elite kinda like guzman and mijares. prob w/ campbell is that he's very inconsistent. he seems to fight in the level of his opponents in a given night. tonight he was A-level. but if his next opponent is not that good, he may drop his performance to a low-tier B-level boxer.
Diaz is A level, he just ran into someone who could beat him. That happens. Campbell fought at an A+ level tonight. Elite fighters lose....
Chert
03-08-2008, 11:48 PM
Diaz is A level, he just ran into someone who could beat him. That happens. Campbell fought at an A+ level tonight. Elite fighters lose....
i have a further distiction between A-level and Elite. Elite fighters should only lose to fellow elite fighters. if an elite fighter loses to a non-elite one, it may indicate that he may not be an elite fighter in the first place or that he may be on the way down. clearly, juan diaz doesn't fall in the latter category.
i know everyone can also have a bad night but elite fighters should have the ability to maintain some level of performance to beat lower tier fighters in a given night. if not, then they should not be an elite fighter in the first place.
Tencount85
03-08-2008, 11:48 PM
Probably not anymore, but its a good thing he has outer prospects in life
kg0208
03-08-2008, 11:50 PM
i have a further distiction between A-level and Elite. Elite fighters should only lose to fellow elite fighters. if an elite fighter loses to a non-elite one, it may indicate that he may not be an elite fighter in the first place or that he may be on the way down. clearly, juan diaz doesn't fall in the latter category.
i know everyone can also have a bad night but elite fighters should have the ability to maintain some level of performance to beat lower tier fighters in a given night. if not, then they should not be an elite fighter in the first place.
The boxing landscape is littered with Elite fighters who have lost to non-elites. Lewis losing to Rahman, JMM losing to John, Haye to Thompson etc.
But I won't argue the point. Simple disagreements on borderline distinctions isn't a big deal IMO.
bronx
03-09-2008, 03:18 AM
forget about ppv
PacDbest
03-09-2008, 04:59 AM
yes, if he beats hatton or pac!
if not, i think he is still exciting enough to become a ppv attraction. he's young and has plenty of time to reach this kind of level of popularity.
I guess we know the answer...It's a big NO!!! He can't even beat a Grandpa nate.:hi:
knockout
03-09-2008, 05:00 AM
Forget about it.
PacDbest
03-09-2008, 05:02 AM
The boxing landscape is littered with Elite fighters who have lost to non-elites. Lewis losing to Rahman, JMM losing to John, Haye to Thompson etc.
But I won't argue the point. Simple disagreements on borderline distinctions isn't a big deal IMO.
KG are you ready now to let go of Diaz's nuts???:hey
Totomabs
03-09-2008, 05:12 AM
when he beats PAC MAN he will have more than enough popularity and exposure here in the US. The thing he has to focus on is maintaining a perfect record which will be a huge advantage to market him.
Well, i guess he just lost that perfect record you were talkin about...He just lost to campbell via sd...there goes his perfect record...
puga_ni_nana
03-09-2008, 05:19 AM
Well, i guess he just lost that perfect record you were talkin about...He just lost to campbell via sd...there goes his perfect record...
the thing is, a perfect record is not the key to stardom or ppv success. sometimes a perfect record serves as a deterrent in fighting big rewards but risky matchups.
Rise Above
03-09-2008, 08:15 AM
Nate was very impressive with his workrate tonight.
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