View Full Version : I love how Calzaghe Nuthuggers are worried about biased judges and refs.....
compukiller
03-08-2008, 05:24 PM
These people are complaining about biased judges and refs in the upcoming BHOP fight, but they did not complain when Joe fought in his living room for all these years.
He comes to America for the first time, and now, all of a sudden, there is the possibility of bias. :lol:
PH|LLA
03-08-2008, 05:28 PM
actually the major nuthuggers are saying it won't matter.
compukiller
03-08-2008, 05:28 PM
The judges scorecards aren't going to matter, Calzaghe is going to fucking DESTROY Hopkins.
Calzaghe TKO9
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
China_hand_Joe
03-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Getting robbed in America is not even a possibility because it will be a shutout for Calzaghe for as long as the fight lasts. Hopkins should be proud if he lasts 12 rounds with a 100% motivated top 3 P4P fighter at this ancient age. The more I think about this fight, the more I see Hopkins getting disqualified when he gets desperate after about 8 rounds.
This post sums up what the experts are knowing.
compukiller
03-08-2008, 05:33 PM
I firmly believe this. Hopkins will get stopped for the first time, not on his back, but the ref is going to have no other choice but to save the old man from taking too much punishment.
An you base this assessment on what? BHOP has never been stopped, and Joe C does not hit hard enough to stop him.
And if you are just basing this on workrate alone, I'd like to see Joe try that "1,000 punches" shit with BHOP. Remember, Calzaghe is going to have to take shots in return. :deal
Marquito_666
03-08-2008, 05:37 PM
I´m a JC fan, and to be honest I don´t expect this fight to be that lopsided many other fans seem to think.
But I do not worry over the judges...if it becomes a close fight the decisions doesn´t always go your way, but the chance of a robbery is pretty much equal everywhere.
True robberies doesn´t happen that often....and I don´t think there will be none either way in this fight.
JC UD
compukiller
03-08-2008, 05:41 PM
Iīm a JC fan, and to be honest I donīt expect this fight to be that lopsided many other fans seem to think.
But I do not worry over the judges...if it becomes a close fight the decisions doesnīt always go your way, but the chance of a robbery is pretty much equal everywhere.
True robberies doesnīt happen that often....and I donīt think there will be none either way in this fight.
JC UD
I have the opposite prediction, but I can agree with what you stated.
Marquito_666
03-08-2008, 05:46 PM
I have the opposite prediction, but I can agree with what you stated.
Yeah...B-hop will always be a hard nut to crack.
Even though heīs older heīs experienced enough to cover up a lot of that.
IMO the fight will doubtless go the distance with Calzaghe ahead, but not at all that easy...he will have to work for it.
Letīs hope for an excellent display of the sweet science ! :good
The judges shouldn't be stretched on this one
randeris
03-08-2008, 06:06 PM
He won't be robbed, he will win every single round, other than possibly the first one or two rounds.
randeris
03-08-2008, 06:07 PM
:think huh, if thats what you seen you dont know boxing 4 SHIT!!!!!!!!!! :nut I seen the same fight and bernard did a damn good job with wright but you wouldnt see that cause you dont know who wright is and that theres no other wasy to beat wright unless you make it a dirty affair.Bullshit, Taylor vs Wright was not a dirty affair.
randeris
03-08-2008, 06:15 PM
YOU DUMB ASS!!!!!!! Taylor really lost that fight so please dont talk to me cause you clearly dont know boxing.:bartway to argue via insults. Taylor might have lost that fight, but if Hopkins is so skilled, why couldn't he outbox Wright like Taylor did for PARTS of the fight?
It doesn't matter if Demetrius Hopkins refs the fight, and Oscar De La Hoya judges, he's getting a beating
klion22
03-08-2008, 06:33 PM
Hopkins age started to show against Wright, he looked a lot slower than he has in recent fights. Despite being the bigger man than Wright, who was fighting at a weight he had no business being in, it was still a close fight and Wright outlanded Hopkins.
Can you see Wright fighting that competitive against Calzaghe? I think not. Hell, Kessler would have beaten Wright more decisively.
Calzaghe doesn't hit that hard anymore, but it won't be a stoppage from hitting hard. Hopkins legs won't be there, Calzaghe is the stronger man at this stage and will outwork him and his speed will keep Hopkins on the defensive.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Hopkins was a lot more active in the Wright fight than he had been in years. He was moving and making Winky chase after him. And he never got tired. He also threw 600+ punches.
And the fight wasn't close. If you score fights based on shots with absolutely nothing on them, and Winky might've made it close. But if you score it based on hard and effective punching, Hopkins DOMINATED Wright.
klion22
03-08-2008, 06:35 PM
I shouldnt have said dumb ass but Winky won that fight hands down. I thought it it was 8rnds to 3 and 1 even.
8 rounds to 3? And you're talking about the JT/Winky fight? :nut
TroubleLurks
03-08-2008, 07:00 PM
If you gave Winky 8rds against Taylor, you are 1 of 2 things... a terribly bias Winky fan or you flat out suck at scoring a fight. Sorry.
Lance_Uppercut
03-08-2008, 07:02 PM
If you gave Winky 8rds against Taylor, you are 1 of 2 things... a terribly bias Winky fan or you flat out suck at scoring a fight. Sorry.
:lol: Ain't that the truth.
Lance_Uppercut
03-08-2008, 07:06 PM
I think the Calzaghe nuthuggers have officially jumped the shark on credibility. They're now in the same boat as the rabid Klit fans, Pac fans, or joy boyz...
Lance_Uppercut
03-08-2008, 07:14 PM
I think they have serpassed them. There on another planet:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl coo coo land probably near pluto:nut :nut :nut :| :| :| :barf :barf :barf They might be mentally programed like robots or they just may be from HELL:fire !!!!!
My opinion could change the second I enter a Pac thread though. :lol:
Hermit
03-08-2008, 07:16 PM
He won't be robbed, he will win every single round, other than possibly the first one or two rounds. I have only seen the last Calzaghe fight. It look like JC gave MK two rounds to see what he had and then just took over. You thinking he will spot Hopkins two also? Maybe more to make it fair? :)
Hermit
03-08-2008, 07:23 PM
I think the Calzaghe nuthuggers have officially jumped the shark on credibility. They're now in the same boat as the rabid Klit fans, Pac fans, or joy boyz...Will be interesting the day after the fight won't it. I might as well start the robbery thread now. Just leave the name out to be on the safe side.
TroubleLurks
03-08-2008, 07:23 PM
You put your scores up then so that i could find out how dumb you guys are. Put your scores on blast cause yall might be the LUNNIES!!!!!!!!Find out how dumb we are? I don't have the rounds memorized and I don't have the fight on tape. I have seen it twice though and I remember I had it even. I thought this was one of the few occasion where a draw was a perfectly acceptable outcome. Close fight either way but giving 8 rds to Winky is clearly fucked up.
TroubleLurks
03-08-2008, 07:24 PM
I think the Calzaghe nuthuggers have officially jumped the shark on credibility. They're now in the same boat as the rabid Klit fans, Pac fans, or joy boyz...Without question. The moment the Kessler fight ended...the wheels fell off.
These people are complaining about biased judges and refs in the upcoming BHOP fight, but they did not complain when Joe fought in his living room for all these years.
He comes to America for the first time, and now, all of a sudden, there is the possibility of bias. :lol:
Can we come up with a phrase to replace nuthuggers, i am really starting to hate the phrase, like enthusiasts or something.. har har
compukiller
03-08-2008, 07:49 PM
People say BHOP struggled against Winky (which he didn't), but fail to also mention that Calzaghe struggled against Saki Bika, despite winning the fight.
Winky has a style that is difficult to fight. And how many other people in the last 10 yrs beat Winky??
compukiller
03-08-2008, 07:50 PM
Can we come up with a phrase to replace nuthuggers, i am really starting to hate the phrase, like enthusiasts or something.. har har
That the phrase that best describe them. Is Ball lickers better?:lol:
Find out how dumb we are? I don't have the rounds memorized and I don't have the fight on tape. I have seen it twice though and I remember I had it even. I thought this was one of the few occasion where a draw was a perfectly acceptable outcome. Close fight either way but giving 8 rds to Winky is clearly fucked up.
Do you think B-Hop is going to beat Joe?
That the phrase that best describe them. Is Ball lickers better?:lol:
Anythings better than nuthuggers, i actually really enjoy calzaghes fights, they are always exiting:bbb
sues2nd
03-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Nothing could be further from the truth. Hopkins was a lot more active in the Wright fight than he had been in years. He was moving and making Winky chase after him. And he never got tired. He also threw 600+ punches.
And the fight wasn't close. If you score fights based on shots with absolutely nothing on them, and Winky might've made it close. But if you score it based on hard and effective punching, Hopkins DOMINATED Wright.
Thank you...been trying to say this for awhile.
Bodysnatcher
03-08-2008, 08:03 PM
One thing is for sure.
Calzaghe had to fight at a higher and more intense level than Hopkins had to against a rather chubby-looking Winky.
BigReg
03-08-2008, 08:03 PM
Can we come up with a phrase to replace nuthuggers, i am really starting to hate the phrase, like enthusiasts or something.. har har
What about pole jockers? That's the one I'm using from now on.
TroubleLurks
03-08-2008, 08:07 PM
Do you think B-Hop is going to beat Joe?Absolutely. Hopkins UD or possibly MD.
Rico Spadafora
03-08-2008, 08:10 PM
I really believe Calzaghe will stop him late by TKO. Judges won't matter.
joeboxer
03-08-2008, 08:18 PM
These people are complaining about biased judges and refs in the upcoming BHOP fight, but they did not complain when Joe fought in his living room for all these years.
He comes to America for the first time, and now, all of a sudden, there is the possibility of bias. :lol:Well at least he has the guts to come to America. Hopkins gets to fight in his home country. something people criticize jc for not doing....so hopkins gets a pass for getting home turf...and jc gets criticized for fighting abroad...sounds like a hater.:-(
sues2nd
03-08-2008, 08:25 PM
Well at least he has the guts to come to America. Hopkins gets to fight in his home country. something people criticize jc for not doing....so hopkins gets a pass for getting home turf...and jc gets criticized for fighting abroad...sounds like a hater.:-(
That doesnt even make sense.
Joe stated at the time of the Manfredo fight that he wanted to come to America and fight a big name on the big stage. Hopkins called him out...he accepted.
How do people somehow make this Hopkins fault?
:-(
Farmboxer
03-08-2008, 08:32 PM
They know from experience how crooked the referee and judges are in America. Hell, the referee took a point away from Hatton for acidently hitting the ring rope!
ThePlugInBabies
03-10-2008, 05:44 AM
I think the Calzaghe nuthuggers have officially jumped the shark on credibility. They're now in the same boat as the rabid Klit fans, Pac fans, or joy boyz...
tell me, do you actually like any fighters?
ThePlugInBabies
03-10-2008, 05:48 AM
These people are complaining about biased judges and refs in the upcoming BHOP fight, but they did not complain when Joe fought in his living room for all these years.
He comes to America for the first time, and now, all of a sudden, there is the possibility of bias. :lol:
are you just another guy who's only seen joe's fights with manfredo, lacy and kessler?
(providing you've seen more of his fights) tell me, which fights, manfredo aside which was a terrible stoppage, has joe received biased treatment?
Dorfmeister
03-10-2008, 10:10 AM
I firmly believe this. Hopkins will get stopped for the first time, not on his back, but the ref is going to have no other choice but to save the old man from taking too much punishment.
I firmly suggest that you take a look at Calzaghe's early wins ( 22 wins, 21 KOs, 10 inside one round) and specially against Nick Manners, Tyrone Jackson ( listen to the comments when the fight was stopped in the fourth please), against Scotsman Stephen Wilson ( TKO in 8 for the British SMW Title) and Brazilian Luciano Torres (TKO in 3 against the South American SMW Champion and the last fight before the Eubank's fight) and you will hopefully acknowledge that the refs stopped the fights because Calzaghe put a whole lot of short punches together, most with the inside of his glove, some positioning his right glove on the side of his opponent's head and firing left hands in succession... That is a stand that British referees make - to stop contests when one of the fighters is on the receiving end and not fighting back... Again, against Manfredo...And that is probably one of the reasons why Bernard always wanted the fight on american soil - this is the inverse thinking, Hopkins is the one not to want it on British soil and by exclusion of parts, it has to be in America.
Dorfmeister
03-10-2008, 10:19 AM
Nothing could be further from the truth. Hopkins was a lot more active in the Wright fight than he had been in years. He was moving and making Winky chase after him. And he never got tired. He also threw 600+ punches.
And the fight wasn't close. If you score fights based on shots with absolutely nothing on them, and Winky might've made it close. But if you score it based on hard and effective punching, Hopkins DOMINATED Wright.
I second that and after having watched the fights against Taylor, Tarver and Wright some 10 times. Hopkins was much stronger and crisp with counter-shots against the rangier and dangerous Tarver and threw many more punches in spurts, combinations of scoring/lighter shots on Winky to counteract Wright's own high output. The argument about Hopkins sucking up air is somehow misleading because I have evidence on that ever since the Jones fight in 93... He did finish fresher that Winky and his opponent was the first to say that he didn't fight like a 43 year old man.
The fight was close tho. Wright scored a lot more with left hand counters than people judge and it was even after eight rounds. Just that Hopkins finished strong and Winky faded... What can you say about that? At most, that Wright was tired and looked older.
Dorfmeister
03-10-2008, 10:34 AM
That doesnt even make sense.
Joe stated at the time of the Manfredo fight that he wanted to come to America and fight a big name on the big stage. Hopkins called him out...he accepted.
How do people somehow make this Hopkins fault?
Joe stated that he wanted to fight in America ever since his second WBO title fight in 98 but took ten years to actually do it. Hopkins priced himself out of a fight in 2002 but so did Woodhall at some point, and so many others. Basically Calzaghe fought Veit and McIntyre in Germany and Denmark and Hopkins fought in Paris in 1992 and Mercado in Ecuador, they are even in fighting abroad. I feel Hopkins was not really at the big stage before the Holmes and Trinidad MW series fights in MSG - you can't say that fighting RJJ in D.C. on the undercard of Bowe-Fergunson, or Mercado in Maryland, or Lipsey in the MGM in Vegas and on the undercard of a Tyson fight, JDJ in Louisiana, Glen Johnson in Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio Cali, or Syd Vanderpool in Indiana, were at the big stage... Joe also fought Eubank, Reid, Starie ( on the undercard of Tyson-Francis), Sheika, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell under the same levels of pressure. Calzaghe already moved to the big stage when fighting Lacy and Kessler.
LiamE
03-10-2008, 12:24 PM
Joe stated that he wanted to fight in America ever since his second WBO title fight in 98 but took ten years to actually do it. Hopkins priced himself out of a fight in 2002 but so did Woodhall at some point, and so many others. Basically Calzaghe fought Veit and McIntyre in Germany and Denmark and Hopkins fought in Paris in 1992 and Mercado in Ecuador, they are even in fighting abroad. I feel Hopkins was not really at the big stage before the Holmes and Trinidad MW series fights in MSG - you can't say that fighting RJJ in D.C. on the undercard of Bowe-Fergunson, or Mercado in Maryland, or Lipsey in the MGM in Vegas and on the undercard of a Tyson fight, JDJ in Louisiana, Glen Johnson in Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio Cali, or Syd Vanderpool in Indiana, were at the big stage... Joe also fought Eubank, Reid, Starie ( on the undercard of Tyson-Francis), Sheika, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell under the same levels of pressure. Calzaghe already moved to the big stage when fighting Lacy and Kessler.
To Joe, fighting in England is abroad. It might not be far but the crowd is very very different.
Dorfmeister
03-10-2008, 01:12 PM
To Joe, fighting in England is abroad. It might not be far but the crowd is very very different.
Well, I got to know that he has really a problem with flying and even for the Pudwill fight in Newcastle, he went with Mandy all the way by train... I don't think he is mentally so far away from England cause he had massive support in Manchester against Lacy... People like Barry McGuigan (ITV Sports commentator) were nervous for him and were giving advice to box safe out of the right jab... Steve Bunce ( The Independent), Kevin Garside ( Daily Mirror) and John Rawling ( The Guardian) and the British Public demanded that Calzaghe had to fight overseas and against either Dariusz "The Tiger" Michalczewski or Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins. Jones' and Tarver's names were mentioned for that defining fight but before they got beaten by Tarver and Hopkins... Michalczewski lost to Gonzales and Tiozzo and is only fighting Ottke now so that the winner gets that Calzaghe fight possibly later... It all comes down to Hopkins and Calzaghe and on american soil, there was no other way out all along.
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