Roberto Duran V PBF? who wins at 147lbs

[peter5]

not sure if its been discussed before, I expect so, but enlighten me!

[kg0208]

Duran by UD.

[Conan]

Duran by murder.

[peter5]

good, i had him by KO, read his biography the other day, interesting read, loved to have seen him fight live!:p

[peter5]

as a footnote, after reading his biography, i had the feeling that if Duran had asserted himself for all his fights he could have been the best ever, although I have him close anyway, but i guess his temperament was part of what made him great anyway:happy

[BobDigi5060]

Duran in a fairly clear UD.

[ChampionsForever]

Duran would make PBF cry and quit.

[igotJUIC3]

WOW....why....why create this thread....does it make PBF haters feel good to hear one another post ridiculous results as the ones we see now....grow the fukk up

[brooklyn1550]

Duran by UD

[brooklyn1550]

WOW....why....why create this thread....does it make PBF haters feel good to hear one another post ridiculous results as the ones we see now....grow the fukk up
It's just a fantasy matchup - calm down

[kg0208]

WOW....why....why create this thread....does it make PBF haters feel good to hear one another post ridiculous results as the ones we see now....grow the fukk up

We are not haters because we think Duran can beat PBF at 147. He did beat SRL there.

[igotJUIC3]

It's just a fantasy matchup - calm down

what was hyped about it?

[igotJUIC3]

We are not haters because we think Duran can beat PBF at 147. He did beat SRL there.

SRL also beat him by making him quit of frustration....come one man..im not saying PBF is no SRL but they fight similar...so why cant Floyd ddo the same to Duran and outbox him...Sugar said it himself the first fight he tried to slug with Duran and thats why he lost......Floyd wouldnt do that...anyways...i see the same outcome happening in this fight....PBF simply frustrating him cus he would dance all around him and frustrate him like SRL did.

[bladerunner]

SRL also beat him by making him quit of frustration....come one man..im not saying PBF is no SRL but they fight similar...so why cant Floyd ddo the same to Duran and outbox him...Sugar said it himself the first fight he tried to slug with Duran and thats why he lost......Floyd wouldnt do that...anyways...i see the same outcome happening in this fight....PBF simply frustrating him cus he would dance all around him and frustrate him like SRL did.
he would run for 11 rounds and would get ktfo in the 12.

[kg0208]

what was hyped about it?

The part where you call people haters for posting ridiculous results. Some of them saying Duran by murder are a little out there.

[kg0208]

SRL also beat him by making him quit of frustration....come one man..im not saying PBF is no SRL but they fight similar...so why cant Floyd ddo the same to Duran and outbox him...Sugar said it himself the first fight he tried to slug with Duran and thats why he lost......Floyd wouldnt do that...anyways...i see the same outcome happening in this fight....PBF simply frustrating him cus he would dance all around him and frustrate him like SRL did.

PBF isn't as BIG as SRL. He also isn't as fast. SRL hit hard enough to gain respect of Duran while boxing. PBF does not. And SRL was barely ahead when Duran quit.

[igotJUIC3]

nuthugger

lol..why it gotta be like dat?

[igotJUIC3]

PBF isn't as BIG as SRL. He also isn't as fast. SRL hit hard enough to gain respect of Duran while boxing. PBF does not. And SRL was barely ahead when Duran quit.

Not as fast?? Man they are jst as fast man....i give you power but he wont need it like SRL didnt need it...Duran ATE all his punches and just kept comming forward not to find a target man...floyd would do the same....and what are you talking about..scorecards were nowhere near close!:nono

[brooklyn1550]

For one, Duran was not anywhere NEAR his best for that fight, he was terribly weight-drained and not himself at all. Watch the fight, compare him to the first fight, it's easy to tell. That wasn't the real Duran, and he didn't quit because he was getting his ass whooped, he quit because Leonard was clowning, not fighting. In the first fight Duran really gave Leonard no other choice but than to brawl because of the way he dictated the pace of the fight.

A prime Duran(the one who fought Leonard the first time) would crowd PBF the entire fight and outwork him badly. PBF wouldn't be landing nearly as much on the crafty Duran as he does most, and he would lose a clear decision due to being outworked and roughed up, and hit more clean times than he probably ever has. You think Castillo gives him those kinds of problems but Duran can't?

Get real dude, it has nothing to do with hating on PBF, it has to do with not sucking his nuts and realizing that he can be beaten, especially by a true All Time Great like Duran.

:good

[brooklyn1550]

Not as fast?? Man they are jst as fast man....i give you power but he wont need it like SRL didnt need it...Duran ATE all his punches and just kept comming forward not to find a target man...floyd would do the same....and what are you talking about..scorecards were nowhere near close!:nono

Duran was a great defensive fighter

The scorecards were 68-66 x 2 and 67-66 for Leonard. People don't remember that Duran, even after losing tons of weight in a short amount of time, was still in the fight.

Floyd is no Ray Leonard

[igotJUIC3]

For one, Duran was not anywhere NEAR his best for that fight, he was terribly weight-drained and not himself at all. Watch the fight, compare him to the first fight, it's easy to tell. That wasn't the real Duran, and he didn't quit because he was getting his ass whooped, he quit because Leonard was clowning, not fighting. In the first fight Duran really gave Leonard no other choice but than to brawl because of the way he dictated the pace of the fight.

A prime Duran(the one who fought Leonard the first time) would crowd PBF the entire fight and outwork him badly. PBF wouldn't be landing nearly as much on the crafty Duran as he does most, and he would lose a clear decision due to being outworked and roughed up, and hit more clean times than he probably ever has. You think Castillo gives him those kinds of problems but Duran can't?

Get real dude, it has nothing to do with hating on PBF, it has to do with not sucking his nuts and realizing that he can be beaten, especially by a true All Time Great like Duran.

this is a possibility....never said Floyd out right beats this guy...not sure if Floyd will beat Duran BUT....i will not say he just outright outclasses PBF...at some point you people will recognize PBF's art and realize just cause they are ATG's they too can be beat by todays stars...simple as that

[igotJUIC3]

~ Time: 2:44 | Referee: Octavio Meyran | Judge: Mike Jacobs 68-66 | Judge: Jean Deswerts 68-66 | Judge: James Brimmell 67-66 ~



I agree. A big landslide there huh? :roll:

lol..your right looked at wrong scorecard....still though...if he gets that frustrated to quit and Sugar actually fights...we all know PBF would have nothing to do with standing and throwing combos like SRL he would pot shot him all night man...but i acknowledge Durans will and skill as well but i just think Floyd gives him trouble just as much as Duran can gice him trouble.

[McGrain]

Tell you what, although I rate Duran way above PBF all time, I wouldn't be laying any money on htis one.

It's quite possible that Pretty Boy could outbox Duran in enough rounds to win a contriversial decision.

But I'd be laying no money.

[kg0208]

Not as fast?? Man they are jst as fast man....i give you power but he wont need it like SRL didnt need it...Duran ATE all his punches and just kept comming forward not to find a target man...floyd would do the same....and what are you talking about..scorecards were nowhere near close!:nono

PBF is not in that class of speed IMO. And SRL was up by 2 points on 2 cards and a single point on a 3rd card. That is called CLOSE.

Duran never ate peoples punches....have you ever seen Duran?

[Shareef]

Duran would definatley beat mayweather. At 147 mayweather hasn't been very impressive at all his wins over Mitchell, Judah, and Baldomir weren't great performances to say the least. Duran's win over Ray Leonard in Montreal is as good a win as you can get and his performance against Carlos Palomino was awesome as well. Duran would was a complete prize fighter. His offense was awesome he could mix his attack from head to body amazingly also his defense was great too he was no crude heavy handed banger. He was a master at slipping shots and getting inside and forcing the fight. Mayweather won't be able to calmy box at his pace against Duran as duran would force the fight too mayweather. I don't think Mayweather can handle Duran and would lose by a stoppage. Also don't bring up his fight in New Orleans against Ray Leonard when discussing fantasy fights you take the best version of the fighter not the worst. If you take motivated best version of Duran and i believe Duran beats Mayweather i would bet my house on it.

[McGrain]

I disagree, Duran is great at cutting off the ring and pressuring, and if Castillo could do so well against him, Duran's skills are on another level, what makes you think Duran couldn't? Duran is more evasive, better pressuring, hits harder, and is tougher and faster than Castillo. I think he gives PBF a good beating.

It's possible that Duran gives PBF a bit of a beating AND drops the decision.

Ask yourself this; is it possible for PBF to pot shot his way to four rounds cleanly won on the scorecards? I think so.

If this is the case, you only need a couple of unclear rounds here and there to go PBF's way on the right scorecards and PBF has a chance to take a horrible decision, lumps and all.

I think this is just the type of fight Duran could struggle to win specifically because he'd feel he was winning - but that he was also frustrated.

[McGrain]

Duran was one of the most complete fighters ever.

Agreed.

[peter5]

glad to see this has caused some debate!:lol: But its unanimous, Duran, one of the greats beats PBF is a great fighter, but not one of "the" greats.
Duran forever:happy

[kg0208]

glad to see this has caused some debate!:lol: But its unanimous, Duran, one of the greats beats PBF is a great fighter, but not one of "the" greats.
Duran forever:happy

It's not that. I think PBF is one of "the Greats", though not nearly as high as he thinks he is.

But PBF is not a great 147lb fighter. His best weight class looks to have been 130, where you will find that he matches up quite well with ATG's.

[peter5]

I agree, to a certain extent, def on the part of floyd not being as great as he thinks he is, he has the tools, but fails to utilise them all in my opinion, if he was more aggressive he would be higher

[brooklyn1550]

If he fights and beats Mosley, Cotto, and Hatton, then he's right up there with the legendary greats

[kg0208]

I agree, to a certain extent, def on the part of floyd not being as great as he thinks he is, he has the tools, but fails to utilise them all in my opinion, if he was more aggressive he would be higher

I don't think it has anything to do with aggression. Greatness has nothing to do with being crowd pleasing IMO. But some say that it does, and thats cool for them.

He just hasn't beaten enough great fighters in their prime to be where he thinks he should be. Top 10 p4p? I have him at or near the top 50.

[peter5]

personally i wouldnt mind him fighting williams just from a style point of view, maybe too soon though, cotto causes him probs, as does hatton, as does SSM!

[brooklyn1550]

personally i wouldnt mind him fighting williams just from a style point of view, maybe too soon though, cotto causes him probs, as does hatton, as does SSM!

If Williams dominates Margarito and looks like the real deal, a Mayweather matchup would be very interesting indeed. However, you are right in saying maybe too soon since he does have a big test in front of him this Saturday.

[peter5]

what are your thoughts on that matchup? I go for williams by stoppage, no particular reason, i think he is too awkward and rangey for Margo, but if Margo can get inside and slip the punches coming in, it could get very interesting

[Rollo]

Duran by murder.


Yes!:yep

[brooklyn1550]

what are your thoughts on that matchup? I go for williams by stoppage, no particular reason, i think he is too awkward and rangey for Margo, but if Margo can get inside and slip the punches coming in, it could get very interesting

I have a feeling that Williams is too easy to hit and doesn't use his height/reach advantages very well. I think Margarito's harder punches will wear him down a little big and pull him through to a close decision. But to me, this is a fight where I really wouldn't be surprised with any outcome. A 50-50 fight in my mind.

One thing I'm sure of is that it will be very fun to watch. Punches will be flying!

[peter5]

hope so, ive got to stay up until about 3am to see it! but i agree, its a pickem fight, hopefully its a barnburner, might warm up with barrera morales 1!

[guillermojm]

i dont hate PBF at all but i still think Duran would win.

[guillermojm]

hmmmm why does my last post say Last edited by one man gang : 03-03-2006 at 02:37 AM. weird!

[brooklyn1550]

hmmmm why does my last post say Last edited by one man gang : 03-03-2006 at 02:37 AM. weird!

That kind of stuff has been happening a lot to me recently

[Pimp C]

At 135 pickem fight at 147 Duran by UD

[eze]

Duran destroying Mayweather.

Jesus you nuthuggers are going crazy.

[eze]

Who are you referring to? He may not destroy him, but he would likely win a convincing UD.


Convincing, no way. It would be a great fight. PBF skill is up there with SRL. He'd box the same way Leonard did in the 2nd fight. But PBF wont be stupid and try to trade with him. I say Mayweather takes it because SRL showed what you have to do to beat him. Mayweather is faster. May not be bigger then SRL but hes faster.

[kg0208]

Duran would have fucked up your boy Sweet Pea as well. Too fast, and too crafty himself.

Nope....Whitaker is one of the only LW ever who could have beaten Duran.

[pit]

WOW....why....why create this thread....does it make PBF haters feel good to hear one another post ridiculous results as the ones we see now....grow the fukk up

take this thread as an honor to floyd , when you have to go back to the past and match him up with one of the greats says allot about floyd.

[peter5]

personally i think duran would beat anyone if his mind was on the fight and the training, whitaker included

[brooklyn1550]

No way does Duran destroy Whitaker...he could beat him though in a close fight

[Ted Stickles]

Duran beats PBF .....Duran was way to aggressive for Floyd to run from

[Tettsuo]

Wow, for a fighter to have an over 50% ko percentage and still be labelled a runner is amazing!

[Tettsuo]

That's because most of his fights and KO's were at 130, where he wasn't a runner at all, and was an awesome fighter. Since then it hasn't really been the case.
The only fights I've seen him run in were against Baldo (who's head is like a block of cement) and Del La Hoya (who grossly outweighed him). That's just 2 fights in this man's career.

Which fights are you thinking of?

[igotJUIC3]

I think Floyd can pull it off...but i dont doubt a Duran win either...all im saying is PBF is VERY skilled and how people can say he gets MURDERED is beyond me....Duran is a excellent aggressor probaly the best but PBF is the BEST at what he does right now....has been compared to Pea wether people like it or not and thats not saying he's better its just saying he is somewhere near that level.....PBF poses LOTS of problems for fighters...and if you eople say PBF is awesome at 130 then why make him fight at 147...just compare them where they are the best at...with that said...does Duran still MURDER or UD PBF...i dont think he would at 147 and i still dont think he would at floyds best weight....i also can see both outcomes possibly happening but PBF definitely can win this fight...i dont see him getting murdered.

[brooklyn1550]

i dont see him getting murdered.

PBF could hold his own - he wouldn't be murdered. I just think he would lose a UD.

[igotJUIC3]

People that say murder are just saying to be asses. He obviously wouldn't murder him, and I doubt he would stop him either, Floyd's defense is too good. Floyd would pose problems as Duran would have to use a lot of movement to mount a good attack. But all in all, Floyd's movement and pot-shotting doesn't pose as many problems for Duran as Duran's tenacity, skill, defense, pressure, and power does for PBF, which is why I say Duran by UD.

nah man....PBF has all the same stuff except power and applying pressure...he is superior in over boxing skills, ring generalship, speed, footwork, accuracy, and even though he spends lots of time pot shotting...Floyd does throw a number of punches....i mean im not gone sit here and say Duran wouldnt win but i think he could lose too...i know people dont like Floyd for whatever personal reasons but TALENT and SKILL wise the man is an ATG.

[igotJUIC3]

Ring generalship? No, not even close. Not even close! How is moving around and pot-shotting ring generalship? Duran would force him all over the ring cutting off angles all night long, he would be the general in this fight.

Boxing skills? No. Floyd is a better pot-shotter and is slightly quicker, that's it. Duran is better at in-fighting, just as evasive, better at brawling, very good at out-boxing as well, and knows how to hurt you far better. PBF may be more technical, but not as well-rounded at all.

Accuracy, the only reason is because he throws less punches and pot-shots. Duran knew how to hit you and hurt you with combos and the one right shot. PBF is accurate against most because he looks for his opening and catches you with the right shot. Against Duran, he would be fighting someone even craftier than himself with great evasiveness and defense of his own, and someone who could easily take the best shots he has to give.

Floyd is faster and moves more, but is not as effective and Duran's style would give him a hard night, and Floyd would be hurting when he got up the next morning.

what....man ring generalship is the same and boxing skills are the same...i refuse to say that man has better...Floyd has great ring generalship man...you gotta give this man credit...he avoids being put on the ropes...only time he is put on the ropes and stays is when he wants to...and BOXING skills better than floyds....man...forget it...its no point...i give credit to Duran....i still say Floyd beats this man...SD or UD depending on judges and it could easilly go vice versa.

[igotJUIC3]

You only say this because A) you're a big Floyd fan, B) you haven't seen enough of Duran, and C) you refuse to admit I've won this argument and you've run out of decent points.

Floyd wouldn't beat Duran, you've given no credible argument to suggest that he would. You're just a big Floyd fan without enough knowledge of his opponent to make a good call.

man please...im a boxing fan...i have given both credit...i say Duran could win just as easily as he could lose...the fact is....there is nothing i could say to make you believe otherwise your mind is already set Duran cant be beat by this man....so its no point in going on. There were ample enough facts if you think about it to suggest Floyd could outpoint Duran based off his fighting style, his boxing skills, speed, footwork, and ring generalship, accuracy, and the fact that FLOYD is a great technician and student of the sport...he studies his fighters...prepares VERY WELL to negate their strengths....again like i said your mind is already set that he cant beat Duran so its no point in going on.

[brooklyn1550]

I agree with Sweet Pea: Duran was a more well-rounded fighter than Mayweather. Mayweather is quicker and more accurate, but Duran could box, was slick, put punches together, and was the best in fighter I have ever seen.

[igotJUIC3]

I was going to say the exact same is true of you. Your mind was set on Floyd at the beginning, and even though I've supplied many arguments that make sense for Duran, you have just said basically "nah I still think Floyd would win, Floyd is just too good" without really giving any analysis. I say Duran wins because you've said nothing to disprove anything I've said.

you do realize throughout the whole argument i do give Duran credit and say he could easily win just as floyd could to right? the fact is i give both figheters their just do....the fact that you dont give PBF is...shows its personal with you so imma let it be...you'll never give him the credit he deserves and in that case....you will always have him losing to Duran...and its nothing wrong wit it...your opinion and i have gave several facts as to why PBF could win as you have for Duran...so its dead..at least for me it is.

[igotJUIC3]

I agree with Sweet Pea: Duran was a more well-rounded fighter than Mayweather. Mayweather is quicker and more accurate, but Duran could box, was slick, put punches together, and was the best in fighter I have ever seen.

whats not well rounded about FLoyd in your opinion..just asking so i can see your point thats all. you probaly have a good argument but what knocks do you have on floyd BOXING wise?

[igotJUIC3]

Yes. You've said that because you have been influenced by my and others arguments, but your love of PBF makes it so that you still say he wins in your book. Bottom line is, there has been no real argument in favor of Floyd in this matchup. The best you have said is "this fight could easily go either way". People often do that to stop the argument because they don't have much else to say and they want to appease the other person. But I'll stop being a dick now.

or maybe its just POSSIBLE that the fight actually could go either way...good god man...i love neither i jsut respect both to know the fight is closer than what many are portraying.

[brooklyn1550]

whats not well rounded about FLoyd in your opinion..just asking so i can see your point thats all. you probaly have a good argument but what knocks do you have on floyd BOXING wise?

No knocks on Floyd - he is one of the best fighters I have ever seen in my entire life.:deal

Floyd is very well rounded, but I think Duran put his punches together better and was better on the inside. Floyd is more elusive in my opinion and could give Duran trouble...however, my pick is Duran by UD.

[igotJUIC3]

Power, ability to fight. Not just that, it's the intangibles. He's a very technically skilled fighter, but he doesn't have that "something" that a lot of the greats like Duran did. He fights for money, not for glory. He doesn't throw combos, he moves and pot-shots. He can't trade with anyone or go off(rarely anyways). He is still well-rounded in his skills, but just not on Duran's level.

NAH...well seeing how this is at 147...i can see that but thats not fair to PBF...he is best at 130 where he SHOWED power and ability to fight and trade punches. He would not trade with Duran for OBVIOUS reasons man that doesnt mean he cant it means he is smart not to do so or yes it would be over quick!

You say he doesnt have that "something" come on man...Floyd is special in that ring in his own right...whatever floyds motives are to fight doesnt matter long as it motivates him to win and fight to win is what ALL fighters are doing so whether its glory or money they still fight to win point blank. Also what intangibles does Floyd not have....the man is undefeated against very good competition and he has been tested...what intangibles is he missing??

[igotJUIC3]

No knocks on Floyd - he is one of the best fighters I have ever seen in my entire life.:deal

Floyd is very well rounded, but I think Duran put his punches together better and was better on the inside. Floyd is more elusive in my opinion and could give Duran trouble...however, my pick is Duran by UD.

Duran is a monster when on the inside and when fighters often try to stand and fight with him...PBF will do neither which are Durans strengths....this is why the fight is not a UD and i think could easily be a SD in favor of either.....i mean just look a the blueprint SRL laid even though he was up by two points....the fact remains he was up and wasnt going to slow down...Duran was too frustrated to deal with that....PBF would pot shot the living hell out of him and simply ahve him chasing him frustrating Duran...the fight is so close than some of you are putting on.

[bigtime9]

floyd by UD, way to skilled for duran, had the longer reach and the bigger heart (never quit in the ring even though his hand has been broken multiple times).

duran's lifestyle outside the ring would catch up with him in a floyd fight.

[SugarRay]

Duran beats your boy bad. Mayweather would be roughened up and taken to places where he would not know what to do. This goes with Whitaker as well. Duran punches way too hard for Whitaker to toy with him the full 12 rounds. Robinson, Hearns and possibly Leonard (50/50) are some of the very few who can beat Duran at that weight.

[kg0208]

Duran beats your boy bad. Mayweather would be roughened up and taken to places where he would not know what to do. This goes with Whitaker as well. Duran punches way too hard for Whitaker to toy with him the full 12 rounds. Robinson, Hearns and possibly Leonard (50/50) are some of the very few who can beat Duran at that weight.

Duran doesn't punch harder than Trinidad.....so I am not buying that he hits too hard for Whitaker.

[bigtime9]

You're the dumbest poster ever. EVER.

nice comeback cro-mag..quit hiding behind that sweet pea pick muttley:lol:

[El Puma]

You're the dumbest poster ever. EVER.:lol::lol::lol::lol:And thats considering the stiff competition he has from the Pac nutthugging douches.

[istmeno]

Agreed, and we're not talking about a coked up far past his prime Whitaker either. Whitaker isn't toying with Duran either, but it would be a great fight.

agreed. duran is my all time favorite fighter, and i was never a sweet pea fan. but if there is one fighter that i have seen that i give a 49% chance (can't give him 50%, that would put him on equal ground as the greatest 135 ever.lol) to it is pea. pernells defense and high work rate makes this a great technical fight.

as far as this thread, duran showed that he could still be that mythical monster from 135 at the highter weight in the first figh with srl. where he imposed his will and made ray fight. pbf is no leonard. at 147 he does not have the power to make duran respect him, and if he could be pressured effectively by castillo, imagine what duran would do. castillo x10

[Shake]

Purely on ring generalship, intensity, cunning (Duran had so many subtle moves -- never got off the same way twice) boxing ability, strength, speed, and near his thirties, even counter-punching, Duran has to be a favorite, but there's a big intangible here.

Floyd's first fight against Castillo was controversial. Wether he won or lose, Castillo's roughhousing tactics made Floyd uncomfortable.

Duran uses his head in barely legal ways. He sticks it in your face all the time. He thumbs. He rubs laces on your ears. He low-blows. He pushes you off-balance. He elects to trade punches suddenly, bracing himself for impact and launching a crushing overhand right. He wrestles in clinches to break free, and uses full power, arm punches, pulling, pushing, turning, walking, nudging until you're too weary to fight your A-game.

And his intensity just doesn't stop. He might counter-punch for one round, getting a second wind, but then he goes again, from bell to bell and beyond mental barriers few can cross.

Thought Floyd is well above-average mentally, even really good, I don't think he's used to this kind of fight and I honestly think he would break around the tenth. I don't think it'd be a barnburner.

Whitaker against Duran, though, would be a barnburner. And although I'm about he biggest Duran fan there is, Whitaker would have given him fits and would have, at times, demanded his respect. Whitaker, for all his boxing ability, was not above trading in spots, taking shots on the chin, and even brawling a bit. In combinations.

Floyd can't keep Duran off with one or two punches at a time. Watch the Brawl in Montreal and see what it takes to halt -- just halt -- his advance.

Duran by late TKO.

[Shake]

And let nobody say PBF is more skilled than Duran -- Floyd has an amazing prizefighters physique, but as far as fundamentals go, he's got absolutely nothing on Duran.

[DoumB]

SRL also beat him by making him quit of frustration....come one man..im not saying PBF is no SRL but they fight similar...so why cant Floyd ddo the same to Duran and outbox him...Sugar said it himself the first fight he tried to slug with Duran and thats why he lost......Floyd wouldnt do that...anyways...i see the same outcome happening in this fight....PBF simply frustrating him cus he would dance all around him and frustrate him like SRL did.

how long uve been following this sport? he could NEVER pop shot against duran duran is 100X times the fighter castilo is and he arguably beeat him by doing a duran, now do the math.

[Shake]

I'd like to see Floyd walking down Thomas Hearns like SRL did.

I've seen Zab Judah, and you what they say. Whatever it is, it ain't Hearns.

[DoumB]

I'd like to see Floyd walking down Thomas Hearns like SRL did.

I've seen Zab Judah, and you what they say. Whatever it is, it ain't Hearns.

:lol:

[DoumB]

The man with the fist of stone could never catch a runner like PBF......Or for that matter will enter Cory Spinks.........Duran could fight both in the same ring and never catch either of these flies...........

They would both run ciricles around Duran............He would just give up and say no mause............

thats proly fighters like a flat footed oscar catched him and castillo nearly beat him once, but yeah ur right theres no way duran catch him.:tired

[brooklyn1550]

The man with the fist of stone could never catch a runner like PBF......Or for that matter will enter Cory Spinks.........Duran could fight both in the same ring and never catch either of these flies...........

They would both run ciricles around Duran............He would just give up and say "no mas"............

Bullshit

[DoumB]

Bullshit

thx.

[SugarRay]

Duran doesn't punch harder than Trinidad.....so I am not buying that he hits too hard for Whitaker.

I can't recall Whitaker toying with Trindad either. Whitaker will not be himself in this fight. He will be giving Duran too much respect. They don't call him the Hands of Stone for nothing. Duran Vs Whitaker will be a much closer fight than Duran Vs Mayweather.

[SugarRay]

You're the dumbest poster ever. EVER.

We all know Bigtime9, Pimp C along with a few others are the biggest Mayweather nuthuggers.

[SugarRay]

Whitaker NEVER gave his opponent too much respect. He talks highly of Duran today, but in his day he believe noone could touch him, and for good reason. He always fought his fight, he would NEVER in his prime be outclassed or taken out of his game, even if he was forced to play to the opponent's strengths at points. It didn't matter, because he could fight anywhere.

I take nothing away from Whitaker. He is no one the best fighters period and he has gone a long way given that he has almost always gave away reach and height. We are not dealing with an ordinary oponent. We are talking about Duran, a killer in the ring. What Whitaker believed and what others believe are two different things. I believe he will be overwhelmed by the likes of Hearns and probably one or two others.

[KO Boxing]

Duran would beat Floyd by a close UD at either lightweight or welter...

Although I could see Floyd getting up in a fight or so if they had a series...

I do have a feeling Floyd's status all-time will only increase with the years (after he reitres etc...).

[kg0208]

I can't recall Whitaker toying with Trindad either. Whitaker will not be himself in this fight. He will be giving Duran too much respect. They don't call him the Hands of Stone for nothing. Duran Vs Whitaker will be a much closer fight than Duran Vs Mayweather.

I never said he would. But he would fight him in the same manner he fought Chavez. And Whitaker was totally shot vs Trinidad. My point in comparison was that Trinidad certainly hit harder than Duran, being that he was the naturally larger power puncher. Whitaker have a great chin, so someone saying Duran hit too hard for Whitaker is not respecting Whitaker.

I don't compare Whitaker and Mayweather. Whitaker would beat Mayweather IMO. At any weight, though 130 would be close, seeing as how I think Whitaker would weight drained.

[SugarRay]

I never said he would. But he would fight him in the same manner he fought Chavez. And Whitaker was totally shot vs Trinidad. My point in comparison was that Trinidad certainly hit harder than Duran, being that he was the naturally larger power puncher. Whitaker have a great chin, so someone saying Duran hit too hard for Whitaker is not respecting Whitaker.

I don't compare Whitaker and Mayweather. Whitaker would beat Mayweather IMO. At any weight, though 130 would be close, seeing as how I think Whitaker would weight drained.

Please read the full sentence, you have misinterpreted the meaning. I believe in Duran's first fight with Leonard, Duran hit Leonard hard and so often that Leonard became a bit gun-shy. I can see this happening to Whitaker as well. Your argument regarding Trinidad hitting harder than Duran might be plausible but that's not the point. The point is that Duran will still be hitting hard enough and often enough (more so than Trinidad) that Whitaker will not be fighting his normal fight. I think Duran was an even bigger monster at Lightweight.

[kg0208]

Please read the full sentence, you have misinterpreted the meaning. I believe in Duran's first fight with Leonard, Duran hit Leonard hard and so often that Leonard became a bit gun-shy. I can see this happening to Whitaker as well. Your argument regarding Trinidad hitting harder than Duran might be plausible but that's not the point. The point is that Duran will still be hitting hard enough and often enough (more so than Trinidad) that Whitaker will not be fighting his normal fight. I think Duran was an even bigger monster at Lightweight.

No I understood you. But I completely disagree. Whitaker wouldn't be getting hit as much as Leonard, and they fight entirely different.

[SugarRay]

No I understood you. But I completely disagree. Whitaker wouldn't be getting hit as much as Leonard, and they fight entirely different.

So, what's your take? Who wins? I'm saying Duran UD. Might even score a knochdown.

[brooklyn1550]

Sorry to jump in, but I think Duran would win a close, but well deserved decision over Whitaker as a lightweight. Duran was an animal when he was 100 focused and I think he would find a way to beat Sweet Pea.

[psychopath]

Duran puts PBF in a coma. :yep

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kg0208]

So, what's your take? Who wins? I'm saying Duran UD. Might even score a knochdown.
My take is that Duran would most likely win. But it is far from certain. Whitaker could be KD, that's not unusual, since he sometimes got caught off balance.

But let us not forget, that the best fighters Duran ever fought DID beat him. He wasn't nearly as untarnished at the highest level of competition. Whitaker certainly could have beaten him on defense and outworked him.

Henry Armstrong could have beaten him as well....and the most recent comtemporary that would have been a problem for anyone at 135 is Mosley, though I think the best of the best beat Mosley.

[kg0208]

There must be something in the water in Florida, that has affected your brain, there Amateur. Whitaker lost to DLH and Trinidad, and a prime Duran would have raped all three in the same night.

Among the dumber things you have said.

Why are you talking about Prime Duran BTW, then talking about past it Whitaker's losses? :deal

[kg0208]

Leonard was 1000 times tougher than the afraid to get hit Whitaker.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[ruizfan]

PBF by UD...

[kg0208]

:lol: Just stop man. I thought it was just DLH you were delusional about, but your entire knowledge is excessively whacky.

This is still about DLH. See, he doesn't want anyone that DLH has a win over, no matter how dubious the win is, to be considered very good. It raises the profile of DLH. Same standard crap.

[dangerousity]

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Watching Roberto there, he had everything and more to beat PBF.

[igotJUIC3]

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Watching Roberto there, he had everything and more to beat PBF.

you do realize this shows exactly why SRL lost right? The whole clip is them in a inside fight....THE WHOLE CLIP....this played into Durans hands man....PBF would do no such a thing.....exactly why SRL didnt do it the second fight and won.....all this clip shows is Durans dominance in a fight where someone actually tries to brawl and stand and trade with him such as the topic of the clip suggest...the BRAWL in Montreal.

[brooklyn1550]

you do realize this shows exactly why SRL lost right? The whole clip is them in a inside fight....THE WHOLE CLIP....this played into Durans hands man....PBF would do no such a thing.....exactly why SRL didnt do it the second fight and won.....all this clip shows is Durans dominance in a fight where someone actually tries to brawl and stand and trade with him such as the topic of the clip suggest...the BRAWL in Montreal.

Duran would have made Floyd fight...Floyd would have trouble staying on the outside when facing Duran.

[dangerousity]

you do realize this shows exactly why SRL lost right? The whole clip is them in a inside fight....THE WHOLE CLIP....this played into Durans hands man....PBF would do no such a thing.....exactly why SRL didnt do it the second fight and won.....all this clip shows is Durans dominance in a fight where someone actually tries to brawl and stand and trade with him such as the topic of the clip suggest...the BRAWL in Montreal.

You missed the point. It shows Durans great work to the body and head, it shows his pressure, it shows how dirty he is so Floyd cant just clinch and expect to get away with it, shows how he makes someone fight and how he corners them. .

[igotJUIC3]

You missed the point. It shows Durans great work to the body and head, it shows his pressure, it shows how dirty he is so Floyd cant just clinch and expect to get away with it, shows how he makes someone fight and how he corners them. .

SUGAR made it easy because he stood there and tried to fight Durans game....this is obvious because Duran couldnt catch him the second fight when Sugar stuck to his guns and stayed away from the inside fight.....i do see what you mean by his work rate and thins of that nature but again Sugar allowed it because he fought inside with Duran.

[Shake]

Clinch, walk, work.

[Robbi]

For one, Duran was not anywhere NEAR his best for that fight, he was terribly weight-drained and not himself at all. Watch the fight, compare him to the first fight, it's easy to tell. That wasn't the real Duran, and he didn't quit because he was getting his ass whooped, he quit because Leonard was clowning, not fighting. In the first fight Duran really gave Leonard no other choice but than to brawl because of the way he dictated the pace of the fight.

A prime Duran(the one who fought Leonard the first time) would crowd PBF the entire fight and outwork him badly. PBF wouldn't be landing nearly as much on the crafty Duran as he does most, and he would lose a clear decision due to being outworked and roughed up, and hit more clean times than he probably ever has. You think Castillo gives him those kinds of problems but Duran can't?

Get real dude, it has nothing to do with hating on PBF, it has to do with not sucking his nuts and realizing that he can be beaten, especially by a true All Time Great like Duran.

Leonard did have another choice, which was to box and move behind the jab and strictly keep the fight at long range. Duran did dictate the pace, but Leonard allowed him to get into the type of fight he wanted. Leonard had no interest in boxing Duran, and he clearly said through the press he would stand and fight Duran. Beating Duran at his own game was Leonard's mission in Montreal.


It was fighter beating fighter, not fighter beating boxer. No question about it.

[Shake]

True, but Leonard himself said that from that left hook in the second round on, he had no choice. Duran caught him early and never let go.

[Robbi]

Sugar didn;t stick to his guns in the second fight, he didn't fight at all. He clowned and tried to make a fool out of him. Floyd doesn't do that, so that's out the window. Another thing you are continuously avoiding is Duran's state in the second fight. He was extremely weight drained and simply not anywhere near his normal self. He balooned up to around 200 pounds I believe in between the first and second fight and was not in shape during the second fight. Watch how he fights in the first and compare it to the second. He did not have any of the tenacity or gusto that he had in the first fight. Not just due to what Leonard was doing, but due to him just not being in it. Not in mental or physical shape for the fight.

If both fighters were on their A game and fought to their best advantage, it's probably a 50/50 fight though. The thing with that is, it's a 50/50 fight with Sugar Ray Leonard, and PBF's no Leonard.

What I will say about the second fight. Leonard, while constantly moving and not awllowing Duran to get set, never had enough offense for my taste. Leonard seemed to be intent on making Duran miss, more than making him pay. He popped out nice jabs, but not enough combinations. Scarcely did he throw any "heavy" artillery.

[Biggame]

I love threads like this one, because no one person no for sure but they'll tell you who's right and who's wrong. Also this thread is about a legend who's career is over, and the best p4p fighter in the world today who's still fighting. This is also at a weight where one fighter is most likely more comfortable so automatically it's in his favor. We don't know how great a fighter Floyd is at 147lbs so we can only judge him for what he's done career wise.

Now we here "He's never faced a fighter like Duran" True it may be, but does that mean Duran automatically wins? Not at all Floyd's had one tough fight in his career, and he still won w/an injury going in, and and injury from the fight. You can never question his heart or toughness:nono You can't question his Will either, on the otherhand you can question Duran's!

Floyd and SRL are very alike. They both have superior speed, Footwork, and boxing skills. Leonard had more power, and flash, while Floyd has better defense, and basic techniques! Floyd doesn't need Power nor Flash. I think Floyd has a better head on his shoulder inside the ring than SRL. He fights a smarter fight. SRL was willing to go to war w/someone he wasn't on the same level with in that department, and he paid for it! Floyd will never dumb out like that! Fighters need to know there limit, and apparently it took the 1st fight for SRL to know his. Leonard won the 2nd fights although close on the cards relatively easily(watch it again) he took Duran's will and determination away from him, and I always question that. It was to easy!! Floyd would fightlike that the 1st time. Floyd has better defense no question, and I don't know why some on here try and question or challenge that. Floyd also has incredible stamina, and he's a fighter who gets stronger as the fight goes on. If Floyd fought his game all nightand embarrased Duran threw the 1st half of the fight while only getting stronger will Duran be there for the Championship RDs:huh We don't know, but what we do know is he wasn't against SRL, and it wasn't cause Ray was hurting him:nono He couldn't get to Ray like he did the 1st fight, and he knew he never would. Floyd picks his spots well, he doesn't throw as much these days, but he has one the highest connect percentage. Ppl make noise because one fighter throws 700-800 punches thruought the course of a fight and another fighter throws 400-500 punches but if they land roughly the same what does that tell you? It's tells you one guy is more accurate, and efficient w/his punches while the other guy is much less, and needs to throw that many! Floyd wouldn't have the throw a thousand punches to get his point across to the judges! Duran certainly would because he'd be doing alot of missing, and moving. Will he want to? If he did then we have a very good and interesting fight.

If Floyd fought like Ray in the 1st fight he certainly loses, but he won't, so we can predict the outcome w/certainty as some of you have! I doubt highly Floyd would fight like that. Duran fought the same fight both times w/SRL, and he came away with a win, and a loss all coutersy of Leonard!!

I can't pick at this moment w/certainty, but if forced to I'd go w/Floyd by decision. Floyd's dealt w/all types of styles, and still came out on top,...Duran proved he can't or he's not willing to put that work in!!

[istmeno]

:patsch Yeah just like DeJesus did. Guys like Palomino and Bizarro had success against him by using movement, what makes you think a guy far superior doesn't do well? What makes you think if Buchanan does that well Whitaker can't either? If someone with inferior defense in Leonard can take his shots than Whitaker can't?

pea i have to take you to task on this post. you already know where i stand on the possible outcome of this fight. but bizzarro did not give duran problems. he literally ran the entire fight until he got ktfo. i have all of the respect in the world for vita dejesus. but take out the non title fight, and we saw how much trouble duran had with him when the chips were on the line. he beat the brakes off of him. buchanan was a 21 yo duran still green. nowhere near the beast he would become at 135.

[jlrivera81]

Does anyone here consider Cotto a similar fighter to Duran in that he brings pressure with both hands and can switch up his style from non-stop pressure to boxing from the outside.

With that said, a lot of people believe Duran could beat mayweather. So perhaps Cotto does have a chance unlike some people

[brooklyn1550]

Does anyone here consider Cotto a similar fighter to Duran in that he brings pressure with both hands and can switch up his style from non-stop pressure to boxing from the outside.

With that said, a lot of people believe Duran could beat mayweather. So perhaps Cotto does have a chance unlike some people

Cotto fights more like Julio Cesar Chavez in my opinion

[SugarRay]

I love threads like this one, because no one person no for sure but they'll tell you who's right and who's wrong. Also this thread is about a legend who's career is over, and the best p4p fighter in the world today who's still fighting. This is also at a weight where one fighter is most likely more comfortable so automatically it's in his favor. We don't know how great a fighter Floyd is at 147lbs so we can only judge him for what he's done career wise.


Threads like this are just speculation. Most believed Tyson would beat Douglas but, most were wrong (for whatever reason). We will never know the real answer but, we can try to make an educated guess.

How can you be so sure that Mayweather will be smarter than Leonard in dealing with Duran. Mayweather didn't show that in his first fight castillo. Duran is a different beast and knows how to rough people up so much so that they couldn't stick to their normal game plan.

[RafaelGonzal]

Duran
Leanord
Hearns
Benitez
all would kick his ass period!!!!!!

[bigtime9]

Duran
Leanord
Hearns
Benitez
all would kick his ass period!!!!!!


sorry but floyd is 30 they are in their 50's floyd by ko on all four:lol:

[El Bombasto]

Duran by mid-rounds KO

[acb]

Floyd's dealt w/all types of styles, and still came out on top,...Duran proved he can't or he's not willing to put that work in!!

Please, just stop.

Floyd has never fought anyone of Durans calibur and you know it.

[MJRJJ23]

in my noob opinion i think this would be a bit closer than most people think of course we all have an opinion so your going to get diffrent ones. Anyways I would give Duran the edge because of his overall game but I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather won a decision either, There has been definitly bigger upsets than this would be. I mean who thought Douglas would beat Tyson, Norton over Ali, etc etc. I would have Mayweather as something like a 3 to 1 underdog. One thing about Mayweather is he comes completely prepared with a masterful gameplan every time he fights, he would need one to beat Duran but its do able

[Robbi]

in my noob opinion i think this would be a bit closer than most people think of course we all have an opinion so your going to get diffrent ones. Anyways I would give Duran the edge because of his overall game but I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather won a decision either, There has been definitly bigger upsets than this would be. I mean who thought Douglas would beat Tyson, Norton over Ali, etc etc. I would have Mayweather as something like a 3 to 1 underdog. One thing about Mayweather is he comes completely prepared with a masterful gameplan every time he fights, he would need one to beat Duran but its do able

I don't think anyone is dumb enough to even consider Mayweather being an easy night for Duran.

[acb]

floyd by UD, way to skilled for duran, had the longer reach and the bigger heart (never quit in the ring even though his hand has been broken multiple times).

duran's lifestyle outside the ring would catch up with him in a floyd fight.

:lol:

[MJRJJ23]

I don't think anyone is dumb enough to even consider Mayweather being an easy night for Duran.


Thats the wonderful thing about boxing.... There's always the possibility. It would definitly be nice to watch duran make Mayweather exchange from time to time, Mayweather and SRL would also be a great thing to watch (maybe a little more boring) but it would be the sweet science to the highest extent :happy

[brooklyn1550]

:lol:

He's a funny guy isn't he?:D

[acb]

He's a funny guy isn't he?:D

Indeed. His analysis is fairly good for 15 years old.

Mayweather too skilled for Duran? No one was to skilled for Duran.

Durans lifestyle would catch up to him against Floyd? Based on what, Floyds notorious aggression in the ring?

Duran less heart than Floyd? Duran fought ten times the level of competition that Floyd did.

Im sorry but Floyd could never hurt Duran. Duran was Floyds worst nightmare, the complete package and relentless. Top notch defense, 15 round varied attack, never ending preasure, and the mentality of a calculating but crazed animal.

Hell even Prescott said it himself, Floyd has no business in this one.

[brooklyn1550]

Indeed. His analysis is fairly good for 15 years old.

Mayweather too skilled for Duran? No one was to skilled for Duran.

Durans lifestyle would catch up to him against Floyd? Based on what, Floyds notorious aggression in the ring?

Duran less heart than Floyd? Duran fought ten times the level of competition that Floyd did.

Im sorry but Floyd could never hurt Duran. Duran was Floyds worst nightmare, the complete package and relentless. Top notch defense, 15 round varied attack, never ending preasure, and the mentality of a calculating but crazed animal.

Hell even Prescott said it himself, Floyd has no business in this one.

:good

[Biggame]

Threads like this are just speculation. Most believed Tyson would beat Douglas but, most were wrong (for whatever reason). We will never know the real answer but, we can try to make an educated guess.

How can you be so sure that Mayweather will be smarter than Leonard in dealing with Duran. Mayweather didn't show that in his first fight castillo. Duran is a different beast and knows how to rough people up so much so that they couldn't stick to their normal game plan.

Floyd was very much hurt going into the fight, and got hurt during the fight, and guess what....he still won. You do remember that they fought again, and an uninjured Floyd made easy work of it! The 1st fight had nothing to do w/smarts:nono Floyd's comfortable in his skin inside the ring, and doesn't feel the need to prove something that can potentially set himself up for failure as SRL did in there 1st fight!!

That's why I'm so sure!!

[Biggame]

Please, just stop.

Floyd has never fought anyone of Durans calibur and you know it.

Read my 1st line!

[hellblazer]

Duran by Late round TKO!

[Biggame]

SRL wasn't boring, especially against a non-hitter like Mayweather. SRL's size, speed, power, and combo's would be too much for Mayweather at 147.

How do you see SRL-Pea going?

[kg0208]

Please do not compare Whitaker to Leonard. Leonard will be remembered as a legend. Whitaker, as a guy who lost to Trinidad and OScar.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[igotJUIC3]

I don't think anyone is dumb enough to even consider Mayweather being an easy night for Duran.

have you read some of these post? there are plenty who do..

[pejevan]

Attention PACDBEST!!!!! Any analysis or insight on this fantasy fight? Thr runner versus the swarmer. I am sure that this is easier to analyse because we have tons of duran and pbf materials unlike donaire who you just met in a party and one fight tape.

[Imperial1]

Duran would make Floyd cry during the fight !

[Lance_Uppercut]

Indeed. His analysis is fairly good for 15 years old.




A 15 Yo who claims to be a super intelligent black man who has 6 Masters degrees...:rofl

[pejevan]

Duran would make Floyd cry during the fight !

that's new. it used to be that he cries after the fight. spinks would get angry if he leaves the "after fight crying club".:| :| "i am alone!"

[Irish Steel]

Duran by decapitation.

[Imperial1]

that's new. it used to be that he cries after the fight. spinks would get angry if he leaves the "after fight crying club".:| :| "i am alone!"


Floyd =:crybby


It would have been brutal if Duran would have got Floyd in the ring ..It be ugly !Down right criminal ..:bbb :vonnecunt

[MJRJJ23]

SRL wasn't boring, especially against a non-hitter like Mayweather. SRL's size, speed, power, and combo's would be too much for Mayweather at 147.


I know SRL wasn't a boring fighter, I did say a LITTLE more boring, I didn't say it would be a snoozer. I just think there styles wouldn't create the action that a Duran/leonard or Duran/Mayweather fight would bring. I fully agree with your assesment on SRL. I think at 147 it would be SRL because of the lack of Mayweather's power but I would give Mayweather more of a chance the lower the weight class went. It would be nice to see two guys with some of the greatest hand speed ever face off though

[Toopretty]

For one thing..cant no fighter in history past or present you can say would put a beat down on floyd...every fighter that has ever fought took a beat down...but him..what the fuck ...you idiots act like floyd would not frustrate duran. I think Duran would win by close decision for effective aggression but he would get hit a lot more then he is used too. Leonard had more hand speed and power than floyd but was no fucking where near as accurate of a puncher. Floyd will tag you no matter what you do. You forget has different offense then anyone duran has ever fought. and floyd can fight better then anyone backing up so he damned for sure got a shot against duran. HE WONT GET KNOCKED OUT. Floyd would have more problems with whitaker then duran. Period. do that idiot that said "you must aint seen duran fight" who the fuck on the planet has not seen him fight....the question is...have you fucking seen floyd fight....I hate dumb ass non boxing no-nothings.

[Shake]

It wouldn't be an easy night for Duran, but it'd be hell on Earth for Floyd.