Who is number two in the heavyweight division?

[Cachibatches]

Peter? Chagaev? Wladdy? I still have Wladdy 1, Chagaev 2, and Peter now moves up to 3.

[jisi]

Wladimir Klitschko
Samuel Peter
Ruslan Chagaev

[Farmboxer]

Vlad is number one.
Vitali will be at number one after he knocks out Peter.
Chagav, but Valouev will probably beat Chagaev in the rematch.
Sultan is still good fighter
Povetkin
Peter is lower.

[Brickhaus]

Sadly, I think it's probably Povetkin. Hell, it might be Haye if he's at HW permanently now. That's how little I think of everyone after Wlad. Chagaev has looked like shit lately, and even though he lost to Chagaev last time, I probably have Valuev ahead of him at the moment. There's Wlad, then a tier of about 6 or 7 guys on the same level, then a bunch of other guys who can beat those 6 or 7 on a good night.

[Amsterdam]

You need to watch more boxing Cachi, the HW division is bo-ring.:lol:

[Ambition_Def]

Sam Peter is obviously number 2. On the strength of the fact that he has already shared a ring with the consensus #1 and didn't do all that bad. And the fact that he now holds the linear title. That doesn't hurt.

I would have said Chagaev but his recent outting against Skelton and trying to get time to fight Kransiqi instead of his mandatory leave me with a sour perception of his title reign. Anyways I think Valuev will beat him in the rematch. It'll be a non-issue.

[Caliboxing]

Chagaev.

[randeris]

Wlad #1 can not be discussed obviously
Peter #2
Chagaev #3

Chageav and Peter are very close

[pirlo]

#1 Haye
#2 Wlad
#3 Peter

[NBT]

Chagaev is the clear cut #2 imo, Peter hasn't shown any improvement that would deserve moving him to #2. Chagaev is the MUCH MORE skilled fighter.

[Marquito_666]

#1 Haye
#2 Wlad
#3 Peter

:lol:

Last time I checked Haye fought at CW...and that was not that many hours ago.

Let´s give him a chance to actually fight in the HW division before we decide how he´d actually do versus elite HW´s !!!

[Lance_Uppercut]

Sam Peter is obviously number 2. On the strength of the fact that he has already shared a ring with the consensus #1 and didn't do all that bad. And the fact that he now holds the linear title. That doesn't hurt.

I would have said Chagaev but his recent outting against Skelton and trying to get time to fight Kransiqi instead of his mandatory leave me with a sour perception of his title reign. Anyways I think Valuev will beat him in the rematch. It'll be a non-issue.

:nono There is no linear belt when it breaks. They must start a new lineage, which hasn't happend yet.

[Darien]

It's a toss up btw Chagaev and Peter. I prefer Chagaev he has much better skills.

[DamonD]

1 Wlad
2 Peter
3 Chagaev

Chagaev is unbeaten of course, but doesn't have the wins that both Wlad and Peter have.

[dwilson]

Ruiz

[DamonD]

Chagaev does not have the wins Peter does, no doubt he's more skillful but until he gets actual better solid wins on the board then he's not going to be my #2.

[RUSKULL]

#1 Haye
#2 Wlad
#3 Peter

Fool :rofl :yep

[RUSKULL]

:nono There is no linear belt when it breaks. They must start a new lineage, which hasn't happend yet.

I agree

[rydersonthestorm]

now
wlad
chagaev
peter
next year
wlad
haye
povetkin

[RUSKULL]

It's a toss up btw Chagaev and Peter. I prefer Chagaev he has much better skills.

Chagaev does have better skills than Peter IMO but he pulled out of a unification bout with Ibragimov, fought a lackluster fight vs. Skelton, and now he wants to defend against Krasniqi who just lost by TKO. Those aren't the makings of a Champion.

I've moved Peter past Chagaev based on Chagaev's lack of wanting to be unified or fighting the best available.

[derrick]

I have to put Valuev number 2 at this point. Peter is a bit over rated. He's fighting old wased up fighters trying to claim something big. And you know how bad mccline is and he almost had peter out and would have koed him if his stamina was not so bad.

[columbo man]

when david haye steps up he will be number one in quick time but only if he protects that chin better!!!!

[RUSKULL]

when david haye steps up he will be number one in quick time but only if he protects that chin better!!!!

I don't see Haye surviving a Klitschko right hand. :nono

[rydersonthestorm]

I don't see Haye surviving a Klitschko right hand. :nono
He might not need to if he hits wlad first:deal

[randeris]

I have to put Valuev number 2 at this point. Peter is a bit over rated. He's fighting old wased up fighters trying to claim something big. And you know how bad mccline is and he almost had peter out and would have koed him if his stamina was not so bad.:patsch for beating Lyakhovich? he lost to Chagaev remember?

[Cachibatches]

1 Wlad
2 Peter
3 Chagaev

Chagaev is unbeaten of course, but doesn't have the wins that both Wlad and Peter have.
Valuev
Ruiz
Virchis
Sprott
Skelton

Chag has a hell of a reume.

[kenmore]

Peter should be number two based on accomplishments (beating Toney and Maskaev), but he is not number two based on talent. Chagaev and Ibragimov could almost certainly beat him.

[Tunney5]

Chagaev or Povetkin would be #2. I think Haye, Virchis or Vitali would defeat Peter too.

[Zakman]

Peter, of course. He was ALREADY #2 and now has simply solidified that. What the hell has Chagaev done to deserve it over Peter? This is really no-brainer.

[Mendoza]

Peter? Chagaev? Wladdy? I still have Wladdy 1, Chagaev 2, and Peter now moves up to 3.

Chagaev has beaten Valuev, Virchis, and Ruiz. IMO, these three are better than Peter's the best three wins.

I think Chagaev is #2 for now. Peter is #3.

[Tunney5]

Peter's only three good wins (or TWO wins, since he should have lost the first Toney fight) have been over old, shot fighters nearly 40, Toney and Maskaev. The only time he's fought a prime, world class heavyweight, namely Wladimir, he's lost.

Chagaev has five good wins, but only one of those (Skelton) was with a fighter at or close to age 40. Virchis, Valuev, Sprott, and Ruiz were in their early to mid 30's. Two of Chagaev's wins have been over opponents who've never lost to anyone else before or since (Valuev and Virchis).

[Stezzie]

Peter's only three good wins (or TWO wins, since he should have lost the first Toney fight) have been over old, shot fighters nearly 40, Toney and Maskaev. The only time he's fought a prime, world class heavyweight, namely Wladimir, he's lost.

Chagaev has five good wins, but only one of those (Skelton) was with a fighter at or close to age 40. Virchis, Valuev, Sprott, and Ruiz were in their early to mid 30's. Two of Chagaev's wins have been over opponents who've never lost to anyone else before or since (Valuev and Virchis).

:lol: Virchis, Valuev, Sprott, and Ruiz... Those are great wins...:lol: :lol:

[Caliboxing]

I don't see Haye surviving a Klitschko right hand. :nono



Wlad has to throw more combinations without being worried. If he doesn't use his right hand enough against someone like Haye, he would be in trouble. That's what made Haye have the confidence to call Wlad out in the first place.

[spiderricco]

Mr. Ruiz without a doubt.

[KobeIsGod]

Peter, Chagaev, and Valuev can all be argued as the #2 guy. they are interchangable at this point.

[Tunney5]

:lol: Virchis, Valuev, Sprott, and Ruiz... Those are great wins...:lol: :lol:

Better than 1) Maskaev, a 39 year old who had been stopped five times before and had been inactive for a year and a half and 2) Toney, a shot, fat blown up old middleweight! :yep

[Haye]

Peter. Chagaev has two good wins, but seems to be wanting to fight bums now.

[Darien]

Chagaev does have better skills than Peter IMO but he pulled out of a unification bout with Ibragimov, fought a lackluster fight vs. Skelton, and now he wants to defend against Krasniqi who just lost by TKO. Those aren't the makings of a Champion.

I've moved Peter past Chagaev based on Chagaev's lack of wanting to be unified or fighting the best available.
Well, we're talking about the no2 not the champion... sorry, just joking.:oops:

As I said it's a toss up btw the two. Why I think Chagaev deserves the no2 spot more than Peter is that his resume is equally good if not even better with Ruiz, Valuev and Virchis and he has much better skills.

He backed out of the Ibragimov fight because of a serious illness and a fight with Krasniqi would make sense from a financial point of view (not arguing that Luan is nowhere near a legit contender level nowadays though).

[2ironmt]

It's Vacant.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Sam Peter is obviously number 2. On the strength of the fact that he has already shared a ring with the consensus #1 and didn't do all that bad. And the fact that he now holds the linear title. That doesn't hurt.

I would have said Chagaev but his recent outting against Skelton and trying to get time to fight Kransiqi instead of his mandatory leave me with a sour perception of his title reign. Anyways I think Valuev will beat him in the rematch. It'll be a non-issue.
Peter doesn't hold the linear title.:lol: The linear title doesn't pass down from fighters who didn't win the belt in the ring against the linear champ. They have to either unify the titles, or become the Ring Champ... which ever flawed system of linear/lineal champ you use. Either way... that invisible belt doesn't get passed on by winning the title that used to be carried by the linear champ but dropped... if that was the case than the WBC, IBF and WBA Champs would all be linear champs because Lewis didn't lose any of them in the ring... he vacated them all at one point or another for refusing to fight his mandatory.

[Odo]

Peter? Chagaev? Wladdy? I still have Wladdy 1, Chagaev 2, and Peter now moves up to 3.

Without any doubt Wlad is the present nr.1 at heavy weight. As for the number 2 I for my part have Chagaev 2.
Valuev 3,and Sam Peter nr.4.
A pity that Peter' s next opponent will be either Vitaly or the winner of Gomez vs Virchis!
Sam Peter is tailor made for Povetkin who would beat the slow African black and blue.

[Brickhaus]

Valuev
Ruiz
Virchis
Sprott
Skelton

Chag has a hell of a reume.

Compared to most of the other HWs, sure, but when you're holding a belt, one would hope that you have more than one top-10 fighter on your resume, more than 3 top-20 fighters on your resume, and more than 5 top-30 fighters on your resume.

H2H, I think he loses a rematch to Valuev, loses to Peter or Povetkin, and is pretty even money with Ibragamov.

Frankly, I just don't care that much anymore. The HWs have been absolutely shit to watch since Vitali retired.

[Dorfmeister]

Peter was number two ever since he went twelve with Wlad and the way that fight turned out to be. Actually, after seeing that IBF eliminator and Wlad's easy take over the IBF title ( and defending it), there should be no doubts about who is Number 1 and who is Number 2... There is no reason or evidence to say that Chagaev should be rated above Peter. Chagaev beat Valuev and that is an important achievement but he is not completely past Valuev as yet. Peter beat Maskaev and Toney twice - and that should prove that he's able to deal with hard punchers and slick boxers.

[bronx]

Peter is the only heavyweight titlist that fights like one in the division, going for the KO. He already gave Wlad all that could handle. He has improved since that fight and I think that he will do better the next time around.

[JAHamilton77]

Skill wise at the moment, as far as who could beat the other top contenders I'd say Chagaev.

Position wise, as far as who has positioned themself in the second spot to recieve the next real crack at Wlad I'd say Peter.

[Boom_Boom]

Why are people picking Peter over Chagaev.

Chagaev has the much better resume and is more sound technically.

[scott is cool]

:lol:

Last time I checked Haye fought at CW...and that was not that many hours ago.

Let´s give him a chance to actually fight in the HW division before we decide how he´d actually do versus elite HW´s !!!

He has fought at Heavyweight, and KO'd Tomasz Bonin in 1 round. Haye should fight Sam Peter for the WBC Heavyweight Title, and KO him.

[NBT]

Actually, after seeing that IBF eliminator and Wlad's easy take over the IBF title ( and defending it), there should be no doubts about who is Number 1 and who is Number 2...
You mean Peter's claim to fame is getting a one-sided beatdown without getting knocked out while practicing his awesome rabbit punching skills against Wlad plus beating ancient, slow and china chinned Maskaev plus losing to old, obese and decades past it Toney plus beating him in a rematch? That's great. I'm not saying Chagaev is all that but his skills and his resume are miles better than Peter.

[Punisher33]

You mean Peter's claim to fame is getting a one-sided beatdown without getting knocked out while practicing his awesome rabbit punching skills against Wlad plus beating ancient, slow and china chinned Maskaev plus losing to old, obese and decades past it Toney plus beating him in a rematch? That's great. I'm not saying Chagaev is all that but his skills and his resume are miles better than Peter. Steward said the punches Peter landed on Wlad in there first fight were not fouls, I will take his word over yours anyday. Peter is the now the nuber 2 guy for sure, before the Maskaev fight, I had Chagaev slightly ahead of Peter, but after the big knockout win over Maskaev, Peter took the 2 spot with force.

[diamondDave]

Champ-Wlad
1. Chagaev
2. Peter
3. Valuev
4. Ruiz
5. Povetkin
6. S. Ibragimov
7. Rahman
8. Gomez
9. Dimitrenko
10. Thompson

[Belanio]

1. Wlad
2. Chagaev
3. Peter
4. Povetkin
5. Ibragimow

[196osh]

Chagaev