*****Its On!!!! Kessler Vs Calzaghe Is Done!!!!!!!!!! HOOOLLLYYY SHIITTTT******

[Nawfal]

wooooooooooooooooooo hooooo

FROM FIGHT NEWS

Calzaghe-Kessler is on!
Unbeaten champions collide Nov. 3 in Wales
By Karl Freitag
It's set. The super middleweight clash everyone has been waiting for is on November 3. WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe (43-0, 32 KOs) will face Mikkel Kessler (39-0, 29 KOs) at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales. The bout will be televised in the UK on the Setanta Sports Network. "At the moment we're talking with American broadcasters, but the main thing was to make the fight," promoter Frank ****** told Fightnews.com. "We don't don't get TV companies to get behind fights before they're made like happens in the States, except in this instance we did need the Bristish input and that's where Setanta has come in. What happens with the American broadcast will be sorted out next week."
****** added that outside of the heavyweight fights he's been involved with, "this will the most expensive that I've ever put on...the most expensive purses. You know the type of money the guys were asking for. That's what we've had to deal with."

[Rollo]

I doubt it - the danish has absolutely nothing on this story, and they would have if it was official.

[sandwichsurgeon]

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It's for real

[*BOX_FAN*]

:happy

[pioterbezkitu]

Go Kessler!!!

[Dennis]

Finally, I'm gonna plan a trip to Wales to see this live since it's on my birthday.:yep

[Lostmykeys]

Haven't we known this was coming for a while now?:huh

[Rollo]

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It's for real



No it isn´t. I know that BBC is a highly credible source, but I haven´t read anywhere that the two fighters/teams have signed a contract - only that ****** has signed with a TV-station. Both Palle´s and Kessler´s websites has nothing about the story, and the danish media that I have checked are silent too.

[sandwichsurgeon]

No it isn´t. I know that BBC is a highly credible source, but I haven´t read anywhere that the two fighters/teams have signed a contract - only that ****** has signed with a TV-station. Both Palle´s and Kessler´s websites has nothing about the story, and the danish media that I have checked are silent too.

It's known as shocked silence Rollo, they all hoped Calzaghe would chicken out so that Kessler could say "Calzaghe ducked me!" but it was not to be, the boxing fans of Copenhagen are preparing a mass suicide as we speak.

[jyuza]

Finally, I'm gonna plan a trip to Wales to see this live since it's on my birthday.:yep

I will go too. Definitely.

[brooklyn1550]

This is great! I'm going with Calzaghe by UD

[Rollo]

It's known as shocked silence Rollo, they all hoped Calzaghe would chicken out so that Kessler could say "Calzaghe ducked me!" but it was not to be, the boxing fans of Copenhagen are preparing a mass suicide as we speak.


Very funny......:lol: But you can bet on that the media over here would get the news out if the fight was officially made.

[Max Molyneux]

No it isn´t. I know that BBC is a highly credible source, but I haven´t read anywhere that the two fighters/teams have signed a contract - only that ****** has signed with a TV-station. Both Palle´s and Kessler´s websites has nothing about the story, and the danish media that I have checked are silent too.

Maybe It's not up to the Danes to announce It since Frank ****** Is promoting It?

[djb2009]

Cannot Fucking Wait!!

[Danny Ocean]

kessler tko 10 imo

but hopefully calzaghe ud

[Rollo]

Maybe It's not up to the Danes to announce It since Frank ****** Is promoting It?


The danish tabloids would go crazy if there were the slightest chance that the fight was official - but they have absolutely nothing on their news sites. Besides, e.g. Deram and DanePugilist are normally very well updated thay´d probably be here if they heard anything.

[JETSKI]

I hope Kessler KO's him brutally. Just don't like Joe's slapping style. And the fact that beating an over rated & over hyped Lacy shot him into everyones P4P list.

[Danny Ocean]

blocky , i dont think people mind you saying calzaghe wins

but saying

''Calzaghe just creams Kessler, beats him to the punch and busts him up bad''

is just ridiculous

[theCandle]

Interesting.:good Glad to see this fight happening.

[Pimp C]

I can't wait. Calzaghe by UD:deal

[Rollo]

It's on, I've just confirmed it with a couple of my sources - they have agreed to fight. The thing that awaits is how much they're getting from the American TV network before they can guarantee pay cheques for each fighter.

Not sure on actual figures but they're hoping that this is going to be an $8.5million USD purse.



What /who are your sources?

And how can the fight be "on" if the fighters paycheques aren´t guaranteed yet?

[Max Molyneux]

I hope Kessler KO's him brutally. Just don't like Joe's slapping style. And the fact that beating an over rated & over hyped Lacy shot him into everyones P4P list.

Calzaghe's style Is better than the brawling styles of Pavlik and Adamek which you like so much.:deal

[Rollo]

Michael Marley is one source - who is Palle's American advisor, he's easily the most legitimate source and breaks the most news stories on Kessler due to this.

The fight is on because fighters have agreed to fight at a certain percentage of the purse, with a guarantee that the purse will be no lower than 6 million.


Do you have personal access to Marley?

[achillesthegreat]

Calzaghe is going to go militant on Kessler.

Joe:
Put your mouth on the curb!
Thats it! Now say good night.

[Max Molyneux]

I imagine that Haye and Calzaghe will be WBC and WBA champs by the end of the year!:D

[BennitheHill]

I believe it's on!

Danish Tv2 has the news as well, and they write that Palle has confirmed that it's on..
What a great piece of news :)
It's gonna be an amazing fight..

Cheers

[safe_pa]

I imagine that Haye and Calzaghe will be WBC and WBA champs by the end of the year!:D

Party time lads!!!

[achillesthegreat]

I imagine that Haye and Calzaghe will be WBC and WBA champs by the end of the year!:D
Yep. The MAN of the division. Hayes then gonna spark Wlad who will have the belts. Hatton is gonna spark Floyd. Calzaghe is gonna spark X or Wright and then the Brits will rule boxing. WAHOO!

[haavard]

Mogens Palle has just confirmed the news on national TV2. So we've got a fight coming up!!

[Rollo]

I believe it's on!

Danish Tv2 has the news as well, and they write that Palle has confirmed that it's on..
What a great piece of news :)
It's gonna be an amazing fight..

Cheers


Okay, just saw it on the television.




Then it is on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy:hap py:happy:happy:happy:happy

[Max Molyneux]

Yep. The MAN of the division. Hayes then gonna spark Wlad who will have the belts. Hatton is gonna spark Floyd. Calzaghe is gonna spark X or Wright and then the Brits will rule boxing. WAHOO!

BRIT POWA!:smoke

[haavard]

Blocky, since you know about the contract in details, can you please tell me how much Kessler will earn from this fight?

What is the worst case scenario for Kessler?

And how much will he probably earn from this fight?

[tit]

this is great!!!
I'm from Denmark and have seen all Kesslers fights, so I hope he will win. I like JC very much, he is fantastic. Not great that one of them will have lost after the fight. I only hope that we will have a classic fight on nov. 3.
Absolutely awesome!!!!

[Ted Stickles]

Calzaghe wins by decision or late stoppage!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[haavard]

Wich ticket system will be used for this event? Where do you normally order the tickets from for these kind of events? I'd like to know it in advance in order to secure the best seats before they are sold out.

[Tenorio]

It's so fuckin' on! I can't wait to see the Viking Warrior destroy Joe. This is just a huge fight. Amazing!!

[achillesthegreat]

Wich ticket system will be used for this event? Where do you normally order the tickets from for these kind of events? I'd like to know it in advance in order to secure the best seats before they are sold out.
ticketmaster.co.uk or .com

[duran83]

blocky , i dont think people mind you saying calzaghe wins

but saying

''Calzaghe just creams Kessler, beats him to the punch and busts him up bad''

is just ridiculous

I dont think so, i actully see Joe winning very comfortably. Kessler is to flat footed abd to slow when in close, Calzaghe will beat him to the punch everytime in close.

[The Tuaman]

Hopefully the winner will fight Mundine thats if Mundine will man up! Kessler and Calzaghe destroy Mundine right now, they wouldn't have left Nievas standing after 4 rounds

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Get ready for Calzaghe to receive zero respect if he wins this fight. All of the sudden Kessler will be an overhyped, unproven fighter who wasn't that good to begin with. However, if Kessler wins, they will say Calzaghe sucks.

[PrideOfWales]

However, if Kessler wins, they will say Calzaghe sucks.

But Kessler will still shoot to p4p No 3! :yep

[Smazz20]

Again I Must Say


Fucking Told You So!!!

[The Tuaman]

Haha I agree widow_maker everytime someone like Kessler suffers their first loss they become a bum or an over hyped loser on this site. in some cases guys have been overhyped but in noway will Kessler fit either the bum or overhyped tag! Kessler is a world class fighter no doubts respect him even ifn you dont like him. im no Kessler fan or calzaghe fan i couldnt care less who wins just want to watch a good fight!

[Nawfal]

nonono whoever wins this is top 10 p4p easily

this is THE fight. 2 most competitive top fighters in the world in their primes right now i think

[Smazz20]

It's the biggest fight in boxing today................BAR NONE.

[lucasehr]

Haha I agree widow_maker everytime someone like Kessler suffers their first loss they become a bum or an over hyped loser on this site. in some cases guys have been overhyped but in noway will Kessler fit either the bum or overhyped tag! Kessler is a world class fighter no doubts respect him even ifn you dont like him. im no Kessler fan or calzaghe fan i couldnt care less who wins just want to watch a good fight!

Agreed all around. Whoever wins this fight beat a hell of a fighter. You can't knock either guy here, there both excellent fighters, this is the fight that needed to be made and they did it. This is so fucking exciting.

[Shotgun]

JC will win decisively. And I can already hear the excuses rolling in trying to discredit his victory. "B-b-b-but Kessler, Kessler was green, an-and, and Joe never fights away from home, uhuhuhuh and, he's ducking the Peter Manfredo rematch!"

[deram]

It's known as shocked silence Rollo, they all hoped Calzaghe would chicken out so that Kessler could say "Calzaghe ducked me!" but it was not to be, the boxing fans of Copenhagen are preparing a mass suicide as we speak.

Nice one.
:happy :lol: :lol: :rofl

[KO Boxing]

Get ready for Calzaghe to receive zero respect if he wins this fight. All of the sudden Kessler will be an overhyped, unproven fighter who wasn't that good to begin with. However, if Kessler wins, they will say Calzaghe sucks.
I doubt it. And I hope not. This fight is NOTHING like the Lacy fight, which is what I gathered you were getting at. For one, Kessler is not American. Secondly, he's not a come-forward blast you out power puncher like Lacy was, who lets face it, relies way too much on his power to NOT be called one-dimensional. Kessler, on the other hand, is a big, tall boxer-puncher with very good all-round technique.

Completely different styles, completely different fight. And that's what makes it so intriguing!

Just a quick question before I leave: Should Lennox Lewis get more respect for beating Mike Tyson in 2002 when half the population where saying Mike would win by KO, despite the fact that Tyson wouldn't have been top 10 and was quite awful at the time?

I say no. Mike was shit, and Lennox was just getting the name. Just because people THOUGHT (or should i say hoped) Mike would win, doesn't make Lennox's accomplishments greater?

So why do Calzaghe fans argue that case with Jeff Lacy? Just cause some people may have thought he was better than he was or not one-dimnesional, doesn't mean he was.

[IrnBruMan]

:happy

Calzaghe by UD, although SD wouldn't surprise me also, thereby setting up a rematch.

[IrnBruMan]

I doubt it. And I hope not. This fight is NOTHING like the Lacy fight, which is what I gathered you were getting at. For one, Kessler is not American. Secondly, he's not a come-forward blast you out power puncher like Lacy was, who lets face it, relies way too much on his power to NOT be called one-dimensional. Kessler, on the other hand, is a big, tall boxer-puncher with very good all-round technique.

Completely different styles, completely different fight. And that's what makes it so intriguing!

Just a quick question before I leave: Should Lennox Lewis get more respect for beating Mike Tyson in 2002 when half the population where saying Mike would win by KO, despite the fact that Tyson wouldn't have been top 10 and was quite awful at the time?

I say no. Mike was shit, and Lennox was just getting the name. Just because people THOUGHT (or should i say hoped) Mike would win, doesn't make Lennox's accomplishments greater?

So why do Calzaghe fans argue that case with Jeff Lacy? Just cause some people may have thought he was better than he was or not one-dimnesional, doesn't mean he was.

Tyson was how far/how many years out of his prime?

Lacy was in his prime/on the rise, and Calzaghe was deemed to be old and on the slide.

And Lacy is still a contender at 168 - he's not just a KO artist, he has skills, but fell in love with his power because it was working for him in every fight up until he met Calzaghe. A loss to Calzaghe is nothing to be ashamed of.

He'll be back.

[BOGART]

This is great for boxing! I've seen a lot more of Calzaghe, but I've seen enough of Kessler to think he'll win. The winner is a lock for being one of the top 10 fighters in the world if not better. Kessler by late stoppage.

[IntentionalButt]

cool. november's so far away though. both guys could've squeezed in a meantime fight. :twisted:

[brooklyn1550]

I can't believe people are so stupid that they can't see how tailor made Kessler's style is for Calzaghe to dominate.

I said earlier Calzaghe would win by close decision, but I watched Kessler today and the more and more I watch him, the more and more I start to see what you are saying. I don't know if he will dominate Kessler, but I definitely see a clear cut victory for JC if he is on his game. He is excellent indeed, but his style is that of a European standup fighter. Kessler is accurate and strong, but he lacks the offensive variety of Calzaghe. I see Calzaghe slipping the jab, moving in and out, feinting, timing him perfectly, throwing quick combinations and moving around him en route to a 116-112 victory. I know that is closer than you believe the fight will be, but you have to give Kessler credit to as he is the WBA and WBC champion and is a true champion in his own right.

[Amsterdam]

I said earlier Calzaghe would win by close decision, but I watched Kessler today and the more and more I watch him, the more and more I start to see what you are saying. I don't know if he will dominate Kessler, but I definitely see a clear cut victory for JC if he is on his game. He is excellent indeed, but his style is that of a European standup fighter. Kessler is accurate and strong, but he lacks the offensive varity of Calzaghe. I see Calzaghe slipping the jab, moving in and out, feinting, timing him perfectly, throwing quick combinations and moving around him en route to a 116-112 victory. I know that is closer than you believe the fight will be, but you have to give Kessler credit to as he is the WBA and WBC champion and is a true champion in his own right.

I'm with Blocky on this one, Joe thrashes Kessler badly. I was just being nice before for the sake of peaceful conversation...:yep

Calzaghe TKO 10, another performance performance over a near P4P opponent. A TKO because while Kessler is an excellent fighter and soon to be a favourite, he becomes tentative when swarmed and doesn't like speed, the swarming from Joe will make him more tentative like it would Taylor(though, Joe smashes Taylor inside 6 rounds).

If Calzaghe's in any form near to the Lacy fight, which I firmly believe we will see, he's going to blast Kessler into tomorrow guys.

[brooklyn1550]

I'm with Blocky on this one, Joe thrashes Kessler badly. I was just being nice before for the sake of peaceful conversation...:yep

Calzaghe TKO 10, another performance performance over a near P4P opponent. A TKO because while Kessler is an excellent fighter and soon to be a favourite, he becomes tentative when swarmed and doesn't like speed, the swarming from Joe will make him more tentative like it would Taylor(though, Joe smashes Taylor inside 6 rounds).

If Calzaghe's in any form near to the Lacy fight, which I firmly believe we will see, he's going to blast Kessler into tomorrow guys.

I hope you are right - I noticed that when Kessler is being swarmed as you say, he jumps back and is more tentative to throw. Calzaghe will throw him off his gameplan in my opinion. Maybe he stops him, but I think Kessler's chin is pretty solid. Maybe not as solid as Lacy's, but I don't see him taking as many punches as Jeff did.

[Amsterdam]

I hope you are right - I noticed that when Kessler is being swarmed as you say, he jumps back and is more tentative to throw. Calzaghe will throw him off his gameplan in my opinion. Maybe he stops him, but I think Kessler's chin is pretty solid. Maybe not as solid as Lacy's, but I don't see him taking as many punches as Jeff did.

If he gets TOO tenative, he absolutely WOULD be taking that kind of punishment, because that just gives Calzaghe more oppurtunities to throw endless vollies of punches from awkward angles(which Kessler is vulnerable to awkward shots also) and it would lead to a massacre after the mid rounds, corner stoppage most likely over a brutally thrashed, bloody and broken Kessler.

Calzaghe at his best is just that damn good mate. It's interesting for me as a long time fan to see a fighter who was endlessly bashed and thought of as a fraud 2 years ago now to be considered on the verge of becoming an ATG, stupid fucking media and fans. If Britain would have embraced Calzaghe after the Eubank fight as something truly potentially great, he'd have been able to get the big fights, win or lose, would have made an extended mark that he hasn't been able to secure.

Kessler bounces back, Calzaghe is one of his ultimate stylistic nightmares. I consider Kessler to be the 3rd best fighter from the 160-175 crop and at the moment I rate them:

Calzaghe
Dawson
Kessler

Kessler beats anyone else from 160-175 except Dawson and Calzaghe.

[brooklyn1550]

Kessler beats anyone else from 160-175 except Dawson and Calzaghe.

How do you see the following playing out?

Kessler-Wright
Kessler-Hopkins
Calzaghe-Wright
Calzaghe-Hopkins
Dawson-Hopkins

[Amsterdam]

How do you see the following playing out?

Kessler-Wright - Kessler TKO 8, too big, too strong and can nearly match jabbing skill to dictate the pace, Wright can't win this one.

Kessler-Hopkins - Kessler 116-112

Calzaghe-Wright - Calzaghe 120-108, see the Soliman fight? Calzaghe is that x10.

Calzaghe-Hopkins - Calzaghe 116-112, Calzaghe's workrate and in and out movement give Hopkins hell, to be fair, Hopkins gets 4 clear rounds by timing Joe with his amazing overhand counter rights.

Dawson-Hopkins - I'm torn, that right hand is going to land and Dawson's going to hit the deck, but I'll go with Dawson clear UD by outworking an old veteran.

Let's add Hops-Wright...

Hopkins UD 117-111.

[Amsterdam]

Calzaghe's movement and work rate should win him the fight. I don't think he will dominate but he will win a clear close decision.

Glad to have you aboard Req.:good

I know that you have been in respect of Calzaghe's ability from way back.

[brooklyn1550]

How do you see the following playing out?

Kessler-Wright - Kessler TKO 8, too big, too strong and can nearly match jabbing skill to dictate the pace, Wright can't win this one.

Kessler-Hopkins - Kessler 116-112

Calzaghe-Wright - Calzaghe 120-108, see the Soliman fight? Calzaghe is that x10.

Calzaghe-Hopkins - Calzaghe 116-112, Calzaghe's workrate and in and out movement give Hopkins hell, to be fair, Hopkins gets 4 clear rounds by timing Joe with his amazing overhand counter rights.

Dawson-Hopkins - I'm torn, that right hand is going to land and Dawson's going to hit the deck, but I'll go with Dawson clear UD by outworking an old veteran.

Let's add Hops-Wright...

Hopkins UD 117-111.

Agreed on all the winners except for Dawson - I think Hopkins could pull out a decision.

So I see you are picking Hopkins next week by a wide decision:hey

[PATSYS]

If a normal Kessler fight costs $85 on PPV here in Denmark, I am beginning to chill at the thought of how much this will cost. :patsch

[Amsterdam]

Agreed on all the winners except for Dawson - I think Hopkins could pull out a decision.

So I see you are picking Hopkins next week by a wide decision:hey

Yes, Wright's a fish out of water when he can't plant and get off, as well as use his strength to his advantage.

This will be unentertaining to the slugfest fans, but it will be a masterful display of pugilistic ability from the old man against an overmatched, stylistically disadvantages future HOF'er.

[brooklyn1550]

Yes, Wright's a fish out of water when he can't plant and get off, as well as use his strength to his advantage.


I agree with you there - this isn't Tito Trinidad who fought 2 times in the 4 years leading up to the Wright fight or a natural 135 pounder in Mosley. Hopkins is bigger, stronger, and rougher. Wright's days of sticking and moving are over and he does have to plant more and have a stationary target to land on right now. And B-Hop's usage of angles, his ring smarts, and his great footwork should win him the fight (much like how I would see Calzaghe beating Wright as well).

[Amsterdam]

I like Calzaghe and Hatton, not sure why people don't like them. True it has taken a while for Joe to get his career heated up but not many other top guys have been going out of their way to fight him.

Even if Joe beats Kessler, that won't make much noise in the U.S., but amongst hardcore fans JOE WILL BE THE MAN!

But will Hopkins or Winky fight Joe? Perhaps Winky would but Hopkins will talk the talk but he won't walk the walk. Hopkins is too paranoid and wants too much his way.

Will JT fight Joe? I doubt it. So after this fight Joe will again be without a REAL WILLING DANCE PARTNER.

Why cuz the top American fighters have always drug their feet when it comes to fighting him.

I can't get hyped yet because the fight is too far off but as it gets close I will get real hyped because this is a REAL SUPERFIGHT.

Exactly, you see this issue surrounding Calzaghe, Kessler/Calzaghe clearly like you do with any match belonging to truly skilled practicioners of the sport, no surprise.

No American, or Euro fraud like Ottke for example wanted the fight with Calzaghe at any point pre-Lacy and Joe was so disrespected it was disgusting....

Of course Winky and Hopkins won't step in with Joe after he clearly beats Kessler, for the 41 year old Hops, it's impossible to win and for Wright stylistically, it's even more impossible. Let's add to the fact that I had Spinks beating Taylor 7 rounds to 5, as well as Wright beating Taylor 8-4....

What's Joe going to do to Taylor? Thrash him the fuck out of there, no way does DiBella allow that one mate.

[brooklyn1550]

I never saw the fight, but didn't most people believe Robin Reid beat Sven Ottke?

[Amsterdam]

I never saw the fight, but didn't most people believe Robin Reid beat Sven Ottke?

I've seen all of Sven's title fights my friend and if Americans did also, they'd hate this mother fucker so much that they'd want to place a hit on the bitch and his promoter germs, and that shitty German media.

Reid won a CLEAR 117-111 fairly.

Let's back this with others:

Glen Johnson won a CLEAR 116-112

Byron Mitchell won a close but clear 115-113

Silvio Branco won what could have been a 115-113 in his favour, or a draw, but Ottke didn't deserve that win either.

There were some others also...

All in all, Ottke got about 7 blatant robbery wins in his career, it was as fraudulent as all get out and I ABSOLUTELY don't RANK Sven Ottke anywhere near the top 10 at SMW because of this, even though the wins are in the books for that fraud.

[brooklyn1550]

JT and Dibella don't go near Joe unless JT loses to Pavlik and they try to recover at 168lbs.



If JT loses to Pavlik, I think that would give them even more reason to stay away from Joe - another loss would be devestating to Taylor's career.

[Amsterdam]

It was a very close fight in which an argument can be made for Reid.

Ottke was a good fighter, a pure technician. What hurts him is his style wasn't fan friendly for your average fan or for those who like brawlers.

He was like Spinks (who I like). And after a while that fact and the fact he got some gift decisions gave people the justification to shit on his whole career.

But Ottke was a good fighter in my eyes and a tough out in his prime. How good he was is tough to tell because he didn't really fight other elite comp.

Oh give me a break!:patsch

You can't rank Ottke near Spinks, Spinks has some good wins and is a real elite competitor, I scored the fight of Spinks-Taylor for Spinks, but a draw was acceptable, where I don't consider a Taylor win acceptable.

[brooklyn1550]

I've seen all of Sven's title fights my friend and if Americans did also, they'd hate this mother fucker so much that they'd want to place a hit on the bitch and his promoter germs, and that shitty German media.

Reid won a CLEAR 117-111 fairly.

Let's back this with others:

Glen Johnson won a CLEAR 116-112

Byron Mitchell won a close but clear 115-113

Silvio Branco won what could have been a 115-113 in his favour, or a draw, but Ottke didn't deserve that win either.

There were some others also...

All in all, Ottke got about 7 blatant robbery wins in his career, it was as fraudulent as all get out and I ABSOLUTELY don't RANK Sven Ottke anywhere near the top 10 at SMW because of this, even though the wins are in the books for that fraud.

I have seen very few Ottke fights (two or three maybe) - I saw the Glen Johnson fight and thought Johnson deserved the victory. After reading about all these fights, I feel like purchasing them online, but I'm not sure I want to waste my money on Sven Ottke fights or have my blood pressure elevate after these robbieries I have heard so much about.

Here's another matchup to think about - Sven Ottke vs. Jermain Taylor

[KO Boxing]

I've seen all of Sven's title fights my friend and if Americans did also, they'd hate this mother fucker so much that they'd want to place a hit on the bitch and his promoter germs, and that shitty German media.

Reid won a CLEAR 117-111 fairly.

Let's back this with others:

Glen Johnson won a CLEAR 116-112

Byron Mitchell won a close but clear 115-113

Silvio Branco won what could have been a 115-113 in his favour, or a draw, but Ottke didn't deserve that win either.

There were some others also...

All in all, Ottke got about 7 blatant robbery wins in his career, it was as fraudulent as all get out and I ABSOLUTELY don't RANK Sven Ottke anywhere near the top 10 at SMW because of this, even though the wins are in the books for that fraud.
Woah. I think Reid won in a close fight but 117-111 is crazy. I've also seen Johnson-Ottke and Mitchell-Ottke and while I don't have scorecards, I didn't come away from EITHER of those fights thinking "robbery"... Haven't seen the Branco fight, so can't comment.

All in all, I agree with Requiem regarding Ottke. See post above. :yep

[brooklyn1550]

Who else do you fight at 168lbs after you have your 1 or 2 comeback fight?

HBO won't pay for you to fight just anyone after you have your comeback fight.

So he would have to go after the man and the man I think will be Joe. I don't think that he would fight Joe in a comeback fight after a loss.

I see what you meant....after a few tuneup fights at 168, yes, I agree with you that they would almost have to go after Joe. I thought you meant comeback fight, sorry about that:good

[Amsterdam]

I have seen very few Ottke fights (two or three maybe) - I saw the Glen Johnson fight and thought Johnson deserved the victory. After reading about all these fights, I feel like purchasing them online, but 1) I'm not sure I want to waste my money on Sven Ottke fights and 2) I don't want my blood pressure to elevate out of anger due to these robberies I hear all the time about.

I don't know what Requiem is on about in the Ottke issue, but I watched them all live in Europe my friend at the time they happened, where as most Americans did not see the fights(which I am wondering if Requiem is just stating he saw it for conversational sake only, or saw some clips or anything of that sort).

You'll get pissed, because the Johnson and Reid fights were the standard. If Ottke fought, he was getting the win on the cards if he was not KOed.

He was also not a technition like Spinks, he was a disgusting runner like Dirrell.

[Jambon]

FINALLY!!!! I willl have to respect however wins(if not contreversial). Cant wait to see this.

If Calzague wins fairly close, he is top p4p and a HOF. Kessler career goes on and he probably does good things later on.

If Kessler wins fairly close, there both great fighters and deserve mention in p4p.

If its a washout, the looser will be treated as garge, as always. I think thats a worst senario for the older fighter.


The time of holding on to single belts for years and years against weakest possible opposition seems at an end(See Ottke, Beyer, Dariusz Michalczewski, Calzague until now and others).

[Axe]

It's about time this fight finally happened. I believe this is the first time in history that we have the #1 at 168 facing off against the #2.

Props to both guys for signing the dotted line.

[Faetter_BR]

Ottke had a lot of close fights, but most he won fair and square - the problem is his style was so crappy that people really wanted him to loose.

In my book he should have lost the Reid-fight - but the way the referee judged the fight - Ottke won. Mitcheel got beaten fair and square - so did Branco. The first Brewer-fight could be argued a loss to Ottke, but he won the second clearly.

Claiming that Ottke never faced the best is also lame - Calzaghe beat Eubanks as the only name that Ottke didn't beat - and Ottke beat most of them first. So if Ottke never faced the best neither did Calzaghe.

As for Dawson - who the hell died and made him P4P??? - he has one decent win to his record and all of a sudden he is boxings next great thing... He'll never be great with that chin!

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As for Calzaghe-Kessler

The legacy-gain for Calzaghe (if he wins) very much depends on how the fight goes - he'll gain more from a close fight, than he will should Blocky's prediction come true.

I'm hoping for a close enough fight to ******t a rematch :)

[Carlos Primera]

It's the biggest fight in boxing today................BAR NONE.
:good
i'm more excited about this fight, than i was for mayweather-de la hoya. calzaghe KO 9

[sean]

****** must have a fight by fight contract with ITV ?

obviously the fight is going out PPV on irish sat station setanta, at £15 to £20 i would guess.

since ****** has looked to setanta for tv money and bascially told american tv they were to slow, the fight will go out prime time in the uk , which is a good thing.

[Mind Reader]

awesome, this fight is great for boxing!!!!

[Gsand]

****** has said they are going to try and fill 60,000 in the millenium so i would say it will be 10pm BST and america will just have to watch early doors

[Amsterdam]

I absolutely agree with this. If Calzaghe blows out Kessler, slips that jab and exposes Kessler on the inside like I'm picking - he's going to get shit all credit for a win

If however, he gets knocked down in the first or second round, gets himself banged up and is behind on the scorecards after six, coming back to win the fight - he'll get a lot more credit for the win

That's how stupid boxing is.

Agreed fully, that's ridiculous isn't it?

Had Taylor jumped up to 168 and took on Lacy after he beat Hopkins and barely etched by in a war for example, but with a clear win, then Taylor would have been considered a near P4P #1.

Joe trashes Lacy worse than anything and while the initial reaction was everyone dazzled, it's faded out as Lacy being garbage overtime.

[rochsolloch]

calzaghe will be secretly dissapointed ,he wanted hopkins or taylor or winky wright,kessler was his last choice.
im going as soon as tickets are put on sale im getting mine and if any 1 wants 1 tell me and ill get it for you then you can pay me at the stadium.

[Faetter_BR]

I absolutely agree with this. If Calzaghe blows out Kessler, slips that jab and exposes Kessler on the inside like I'm picking - he's going to get shit all credit for a win

If however, he gets knocked down in the first or second round, gets himself banged up and is behind on the scorecards after six, coming back to win the fight - he'll get a lot more credit for the win

That's how stupid boxing is.

Wow - two post in a row, where I agree with Blocky :D

Can't have that!!!

I don't think it's boxing being "stupid" - if Calzaghe beats Kessler with the ease he did Lacy, then it can mean two things:

1. Calzaghe is just out of anybodies league - this would only show in time - if Kessler or Lacy goes on to dominate after Calzaghe retires = big legacy-gain

2. Kessler was just a over-hyped one-dimensional eurofighter = little legacy-gain.

If the fight is close:

3. Calzaghe win = big legacy-gain - fought the best and beat him in a close fight! - made even bigger if Kessler goes on to dominate

4. Calzaghe loss = big legacy-gain - fought the young new champion in the fall of his career and gave the kid a run for his money - might have beaten him in his prime. (which I'm sure a lot of posters here will claim, if that is the result.)

If you look at some of the greats - they are normally defined in close fights - Hagler-Duran - Hagler-Sugar Ray - Sugar Ray-Hearns ... and so on. Only when we can see the limitations of a fighter we can truely judge his abilities - as far as I can see we haven't seen the limitations of Calzaghe or Kessler yet.

Hopefully the fight is so close that it ******ts a rematch! :good

[Faetter_BR]

Agreed fully, that's ridiculous isn't it?

Had Taylor jumped up to 168 and took on Lacy after he beat Hopkins and barely etched by in a war for example, but with a clear win, then Taylor would have been considered a near P4P #1.

Joe trashes Lacy worse than anything and while the initial reaction was everyone dazzled, it's faded out as Lacy being garbage overtime.

Calzaghe might still get some credit for the Lacy-beating (although I think he has gotten some - but he has also ruined the momentum from that win by fighting Bika/Manfredo - a true champ doesn't fight people that bad) - If Lacy goes on to domiate, then Calzaghe's fame will raise. I doubt he will though - he isn't that good and the opponents have been shown that he is not the "tyson-like" monster he was made out to be.

As for the Taylor-Lacy senario - it has to be taken into account that both fighters are american too - that's important if your aiming for the P4P number #1 :yep

[Ambition_Def]

Wow, nice deal!

Looks like this generation doesn't plan on making the mistakes of the previous one. Eat your heart out Roy Jones. :yep

[haavard]

Mogens Palle mentioned in Danish media the fight to take place at 2-3 past midnight in Denmark in order to be viewed live in the States. If that is true, then the fight will take place in UK at 1 or 2 o'clock past midnight.

[Smith]

SUPERFIGHT!

We should all make a pact on this site that nobody gets to say either fighter was overrated should either lose! This is two world class operators going head to head, Calzaghe wins, he's top 2 P4P(in my eyes) and Kessler top 5.

[Beatboxer]

Goooooo JC !

Biggest fight of the year by far

IMO

[Beatboxer]

How do you see the following playing out?

Kessler-Wright - Kessler TKO 8, too big, too strong and can nearly match jabbing skill to dictate the pace, Wright can't win this one.

Kessler-Hopkins - Kessler 116-112

Calzaghe-Wright - Calzaghe 120-108, see the Soliman fight? Calzaghe is that x10.

Calzaghe-Hopkins - Calzaghe 116-112, Calzaghe's workrate and in and out movement give Hopkins hell, to be fair, Hopkins gets 4 clear rounds by timing Joe with his amazing overhand counter rights.

Dawson-Hopkins - I'm torn, that right hand is going to land and Dawson's going to hit the deck, but I'll go with Dawson clear UD by outworking an old veteran.

Let's add Hops-Wright...

Hopkins UD 117-111.

this is a great post

the only thing i disagree with is the Old Bastard comfortably outpointing Wright

but still brillant analysis of those fights imo

[Beatboxer]

One thing i need to ask though is why is this not on ITV ?

I mean i don't mind shelling out for such a good fight but it would have been even better for free

[Smith]

One thing i need to ask though is why is this not on ITV ?

I mean i don't mind shelling out for such a good fight but it would have been even better for free

Because Frank ****** is a greedy cunt & ITV are screwballs

[David UK]

****** has said they are going to try and fill 60,000 in the millenium so i would say it will be 10pm BST and america will just have to watch early doors

Apparently the fight will start at midnight UK time

[ChuckYoungblood]

Only when we can see the limitations of a fighter we can truly judge his abilities - as far as I can see we haven't seen the limitations of Calzaghe or Kessler .

I agree. This is when a fighter wins ours hearts - when he is pushed to the absolute limit and wins. Calzaghe will probably put a lot of pressure on Kessler and we get to see his full potential:good

[ApatheticLeader]

I absolutely agree with this. If Calzaghe blows out Kessler, slips that jab and exposes Kessler on the inside like I'm picking - he's going to get shit all credit for a win

If however, he gets knocked down in the first or second round, gets himself banged up and is behind on the scorecards after six, coming back to win the fight - he'll get a lot more credit for the win

That's how stupid boxing is.Bullshit - it's all about what Kessler achieves after this fight regardless of how comfortably Calzage wins (assuming Kessler loses).

[Leeroy]

Finally!!!!

Now you Calzaghe doubters will get to witness greatness.