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Will be a press conference this week.
PorkChopExpress
03-09-2008, 10:17 PM
Ugh.
huricn
03-09-2008, 10:32 PM
waste of time. result will be the same as last time
Dr Gonzo
03-09-2008, 10:55 PM
fuck mundine... useless piece of shit he is :( he makes me so fucken annoyed when i see him take easy pay days instead of using his potential
the least he could do is have this fight overseas - but he wouldnt spring for it because Soliman is more famous overseas than he is
cunt
stiflers mum
03-09-2008, 10:59 PM
fuck mundine... useless piece of shit he is :( he makes me so fucken annoyed when i see him take easy pay days instead of using his potential
the least he could do is have this fight overseas - but he wouldnt spring for it because Soliman is more famous overseas than he is
cunt:thumbsup
T.C.W
03-09-2008, 11:21 PM
why is this happening, i'm a mundine fan and this is not a fight that we need, Bika is the fight.
pecks
03-10-2008, 12:29 AM
If it has to happen, then lets hope it's happening within the next 3 months and not any longer.
I think it'll go the distance this time. Soliman will be more wary of Mundine's power and should make it through to the final bell. Then we can hopefully close the book on this whole Soliman/mundine affair.
Tbh, Soliman is more to blame by enforcing the rematch, though Mundine is still at fault for agreeing to a rematch clause in the first place.
It's a decent payday for Soliman, so no doubt he'd want to chase it, and Mundine doesn't see too reluctant for this to happen either.
IrnBruMan
03-10-2008, 01:19 AM
I can't help but suspect there may be a chance of Mundine looking past Soliman if he does rematch him in upcoming months :think
Was there not news that Soliman did his knee in their last fight ?
I can't help but suspect there may be a chance of Mundine looking past Soliman if he does rematch him in upcoming months :think
Was there not news that Soliman did his knee in their last fight ?I agree, he could very well be looking past Soliman.
pecks
03-10-2008, 01:27 AM
Yeah, looking past Soliman to Mundine/Soliman 4
WhataRock
03-10-2008, 01:35 AM
Im quite amazed that such schrewd business men like Choc and Khoder allowed this to happen.
Cant blame Sam at all for forcing a fight, that he is legally obliged to and the one he probably stands to make to most off.
Very dissapointed though, I didnt even bother watching the 2nd fight live as the result was sewn up in my mind. I dont think Ill even bother watching this one at all.
Rise Above
03-10-2008, 01:42 AM
Waste of time.
Kegsy
03-10-2008, 02:08 AM
Waste of everyones time.
Probably a pretty ordinary undercard will be setup too...
huricn
03-10-2008, 02:09 AM
nothing new then for a choc undercard
fuck mundine... useless piece of shit he is :( he makes me so fucken annoyed when i see him take easy pay days instead of using his potential
the least he could do is have this fight overseas - but he wouldnt spring for it because Soliman is more famous overseas than he is
cunt :good
What was the point of putting a rematch clause in the last fight anyhow? I agree, useless fight.
That's it i'm officially pissed off with Mundine if that's the next fight.
ashley
03-10-2008, 06:34 AM
I dont want to see SAM get smashed again.....Sam should fight Hamden on the undercard with Bika VS Mundine main event....now that would be good....however Mundine is way 2 cheep to lash out for that.
Da_Hurricane_Briggs
03-10-2008, 06:38 AM
just think of the undercard lads if its anything like main events coverage of the Hamdan fight .
Mundine v Soliman 1
Mundine v Soliman 2
and then the Main event
Mundine v Soliman 3
I can hear Barry Michael panting already ...........
ozziebattler
03-10-2008, 06:47 AM
just think of the undercard lads if its anything like main events coverage of the Hamdan fight .
Mundine v Soliman 1
Mundine v Soliman 2
and then the Main event
Mundine v Soliman 3
I can hear Barry Michael panting already ...........
I swear bonds need to sponsor B.Michael.He must go through atleast 5pairs of undies each mundine fight.
I cant wait to hear the ahhhhh,ohhhhhhh yyeeeeaaahhhhs everytime mundine throws a jab.
cedrichw
03-10-2008, 05:45 PM
I will be in Melboune May 26 lets hope it's not that date
dd1986
03-10-2008, 06:16 PM
I heard it was supposed to be 3 months after the last fight. Undercard will be same but Sol is looking to fight Bob Mirovic in Brisbane in bout 6 weeks then fight again on this undercard in Melbourne.
Decebal
03-10-2008, 06:22 PM
Rumour is Bute's promoter was in talks with Soliman too, for May. Hope that doesn't happen though. I think Soliman has been finished for a while. I also think he was never that good to start off with.
Recently, Bika owned him on the Contender. Top 5 fighters shouldn't fight Soliman anymore, not even as an optional.
I will be in Melboune May 26 lets hope it's not that date
Very close.
Bika didnt own him on the contender. A few more rounds and soliman would have had it.
But this next fight with mundine will be the same out come as the first fight.
Stupid and pointless fight for both fighters.
pecks
03-10-2008, 06:28 PM
Rumour is Bute's promoter was in talks with Soliman too, for May. Hope that doesn't happen though. I think Soliman has been finished for a while. I also think he was never that good to start off with.
Recently, Bika owned him on the Contender. Top 5 fighters shouldn't fight Soliman anymore, not even as an optional.Soliman does appear finished somewhat (certainly at 168, although he was never something there to begin with), but he was somewhat decent there for a while.
the Contender show was all wrong for Soliman. Soliman is best at fighting 12 rounders and he'll generally run an opponent down towards the end and rack up points then when he tires his opponent out through his high work rate (like he did in the Wright fight). This wasn't allowed to happen in The Contender due to the fights not going 12 rounds, ect.
Anyway, I doubt he'd fight Bute. The Mundine fight makes more sense financially and he gets to fight in his home town this way instead of going to Canada.
Decebal
03-10-2008, 06:35 PM
Soliman does appear finished somewhat (certainly at 168, although he was never something there to begin with), but he was somewhat decent there for a while.
the Contender show was all wrong for Soliman. Soliman is best at fighting 12 rounders and he'll generally run an opponent down towards the end and rack up points then when he tires his opponent out through his high work rate (like he did in the Wright fight). This wasn't allowed to happen in The Contender due to the fights not going 12 rounds, ect.
Anyway, I doubt he'd fight Bute. The Mundine fight makes more sense financially and he gets to fight in his home town this way instead of going to Canada.
I agree. But I cannot condone Choc fighting the guy a third time...not really a trilogy making opponent for Choc, is he? Hardly has the same ring as Vazquez v. Marquez....right?
Is this what Choc wants to be remembered for...his trilogy against Soliman?:-(
pecks
03-10-2008, 06:41 PM
I agree. But I cannot condone Choc fighting the guy a third time...not really a trilogy making opponent for Choc, is he? Hardly has the same ring as Vazquez v. Marquez....right?
Is this what Choc wants to be remembered for...his trilogy against Soliman?:-(I agree.
Only time trilogy's are needed is if both fighters are one win apiece.
I don't think any of Mundine's fans wants to see another fight with Soliman, especially considering that his last victory over him was very convincing. It'd be similat to Calzaghe giving Lacy a rematch.
Decebal
03-10-2008, 06:43 PM
I agree.
Only time trilogy's are needed is if both fighters are one win apiece.
I don't think any of Mundine's fans wants to see another fight with Soliman, especially considering that his last victory over him was very convincing. It'd be similat to Calzaghe giving Lacy a rematch.
So...why is getting away with this? This is outrageous! I, for one, have already upset quite a few aussies by being perhaps too outspoken about Mundine's choice of opposition, so I am going to give it a rest. Am surprised he doesn't get any bad press in Australia though...:huh
Bute for example was strongly criticised for fighting Joppy, in Romania. Wait until they'll hear he's fighting Larsen next! All they ask for is Taylor, Kessler, etc! lol
pecks
03-10-2008, 06:48 PM
So...why is getting away with this? This is outrageous! I, for one, have already upset quite a few aussies by being perhaps too outspoken about Mundine's choice of opposition, so I am going to give it a rest. Am surprised he doesn't get any bad press in Australia though...:huhTheres a lot of hate for Mundine here, he thrives on creating hate towards him. He's the villian that you just can't ignore.
It's always been the case here since his first boxing match (which was a $50 ppv main event fight that probably made him half a few hundred grand).
I want to see him go well, but was frustrated long ago at his choice of opposition.
Dr Gonzo
03-10-2008, 11:07 PM
u rekon his chances are any better coz of mundines bung eye n muscle tear?
muscle tear? and no, even with no eyes Mundine would school SOliman. Sam is sadly just a club fighter at 168 and couldnt beat any of the top 15 IMO
Kegsy
03-10-2008, 11:18 PM
muscle tear? and no, even with no eyes Mundine would school SOliman. Sam is sadly just a club fighter at 168 and couldnt beat any of the top 15 IMOYeah i agree at 168, Soliman is only a fringe contender at best.
The likes of Nader Hamdan, Daniel Geale, Jamie Pittman would be much more better fights at this stage for him.
Dr Gonzo
03-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Yeah i agree at 168, Soliman is only a fringe contender at best.
The likes of Nader Hamdan, Daniel Geale, Jamie Pittman would be much more better fights at this stage for him.
yeah id like to see him take on Geale if he insisted to fight another Aussie
Kegsy
03-10-2008, 11:24 PM
yeah id like to see him take on Geale if he insisted to fight another Aussie
Gonzo thats the best avatar mate. Larry Merchant is my fav commontator, just so funny.:lol:
Kegsy
03-10-2008, 11:25 PM
yeah id like to see him take on Geale if he insisted to fight another Aussie
Yeah would be a great test for Geale, but i would still back him.:good
Dr Gonzo
03-10-2008, 11:30 PM
Gonzo thats the best avatar mate. Larry Merchant is my fav commontator, just so funny.:lol:
haha i know... and the fact he is trying to look like a fighter cracks me up everytime
i love his snide comments, his cheap shots at people, the way he always sounds drunk and how he asks the questions others are to scared to do
and he gets away with it why? BECAUSE HE IS OLD! :happy:happy:happy
Kegsy
03-10-2008, 11:45 PM
haha i know... and the fact he is trying to look like a fighter cracks me up everytime
i love his snide comments, his cheap shots at people, the way he always sounds drunk and how he asks the questions others are to scared to do
and he gets away with it why? BECAUSE HE IS OLD! :happy:happy:happy Yeah exactly nothing quite like someone who doesnt mind speaking his mind.
Thats why i like Teddy Atlas too.
Not that i necessarily always agree with them both tho.
Barge FTA
03-10-2008, 11:51 PM
when does mundine have to face a mandatory? he has gone over 12 months without fighting a mandatory.
Collateral
03-11-2008, 01:58 AM
when does mundine have to face a mandatory? he has gone over 12 months without fighting a mandatory.
Sometime after Soliman 4/Green 3.
Sometime after Soliman 4/Green 3.
:D :good
cedrichw
03-11-2008, 02:59 AM
Very close.
Bika didnt own him on the contender. A few more rounds and soliman would have had it.
But this next fight with mundine will be the same out come as the first fight.
Stupid and pointless fight for both fighters.
yes mate i hear the 28th
I was just being a shit stirer thats all Is that the date you had
yes mate i hear the 28th
I was just being a shit stirer thats all Is that the date you had
Thats the date my friend.
I always fall for shit stirring! :patsch
Faetter_BR
03-11-2008, 07:56 AM
when does mundine have to face a mandatory? he has gone over 12 months without fighting a mandatory.
Does WBA-paper-champs fight mandatories???
ozziebattler
03-11-2008, 10:00 AM
I agree with kegsy n gonzo that a fight with geale and soliman at 160 for the IBO strap would b much better n more interesting?rekon if we make enough noise about it-it will actually happen?i rekon soliman mite b able to pull it out of the bag aswell on that one but then again i rekon im always wanting him to win cause he's such a nice bloke...and his wife is hot
He fights like a retarted monkey pretending to be a helicopter.
Seems like a nice guy but im over the bloke as a contender.
P.S. His missus is niiiccceeeeee though.
On a positive at least the fight is happening soon, 2 months time. Leaves room for a Bika fight next, then who knows.
Decebal
03-11-2008, 05:30 PM
Mundine may have Bika to contend with after Soliman
Brad Walter
March 12, 2008
ANTHONY MUNDINE'S management team has not ruled out the possibility of a future bout with Sakio Bika as they prepare to announce details of the WBA super-middleweight champion's next fight - against Sam Soliman in Melbourne.
Mundine, who scored a unanimous points decision over fellow Sydneysider Nader Hamdan just two weeks ago, will fight Soliman for the third time at Melbourne's Vodafone Arena on May 28.
After suffering a ninth-round KO to Mundine at Sydney Entertainment Centre last March, Soliman has taken up an option clause in their deal for a re-match and believes hometown advantage will help him avenge his previous two defeats.
"People need to remember that Jake LaMotta fought Sugar Ray Robinson five times and Sugar Ray Robinson beat him four times, so the idea of a re-match is something that has happened throughout the history of boxing," Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, said.
"Sam has taken up his re-match option and the fight is going to be down there. I want to be known as a man of my word and I believe in 'do as to others what you want others to do unto you'."
Soliman's last fight was against American Wayne Johnsen to decide third and fourth place on reality television show The Contender after losing a unanimous points decision to Bika, the eventual winner.
Bika, who is due to have a tune-up in Sydney next month before a bout in the US against a big-name opponent, also wants to fight Mundine and called him out in last Saturday's Herald.
"Sam's got runs on the board in some fights. His fight against Winky Wright really established him, whereas Sakio's fame has mostly come from winning The Contender," Nasser said. "But he has fought Markus Beyer, Joe Calzaghe and Lucian Bute, so that's a pretty impressive record for a 28-year-old."
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Is Nasser comparing the Mundine v. Soliman fights to Sugar Ray Robinson v. Jake La Motta's fights?:rofl :rofl :rofl
And is he implying Soliman is better than Bika but that Bika would be a good opponent too because he is more famous and has a more interesting resume than Soliman?:-( :-( :-(
Rise Above
03-11-2008, 06:25 PM
"People need to remember that Jake LaMotta fought Sugar Ray Robinson five times and Sugar Ray Robinson beat him four times, so the idea of a re-match is something that has happened throughout the history of boxing," Mundine's manager, Khoder Nasser, said.
:rofl:rofl
Is Mundine planning on having over 200 fights ?
Steel Kelly
03-11-2008, 08:58 PM
A sad day for Australian Boxing, this farce being announced and Fenech making a comeback! :patsch
ozziebattler
03-11-2008, 09:20 PM
A sad day for Australian Boxing, this farce being announced and Fenech making a comeback! :patsch
It aint that bad.lol
America have their p4p number1 boxer fighting a 7ft2 500 pound wrestler in a BATTLE OF THE AGES.
A real fight.
And you have people in the General forum of fuckwits who actually believe Mayweather would beat the bigshow in a brawl.
pecks
03-11-2008, 09:32 PM
I'm glad it's on in 2 months time, and not any longer. If Mundine finishes the year with Bika, and Green as scalps, it'd have been a decent year imo.
Oh and Faetter, while his opposition isn't up to scratch, at least he's staying active, which is more than I can say for Kessler, who come May, will have probably been sitting on his arse since November, while Mundine will have had 3 fights since then.
I'm glad it's on in 2 months time, and not any longer. If Mundine finishes the year with Bika, and Green as scalps, it'd have been a decent year imo.
Not really, it'd just be comparable to a broken record... :yep
I'm glad it's on in 2 months time, and not any longer. If Mundine finishes the year with Bika, and Green as scalps, it'd have been a decent year imo.
Oh and Faetter, while his opposition isn't up to scratch, at least he's staying active, which is more than I can say for Kessler, who come May, will have probably been sitting on his arse since November, while Mundine will have had 3 fights since then.
Yea true. Even having shit fights is better than having no fights.
Super_Fly_Sam
03-12-2008, 07:15 AM
fuck mundine... useless piece of shit he is :( he makes me so fucken annoyed when i see him take easy pay days instead of using his potential
the least he could do is have this fight overseas - but he wouldnt spring for it because Soliman is more famous overseas than he is
cunt
:good Mundine is a fucking joke
Maxime
03-12-2008, 07:33 AM
I'm glad it's on in 2 months time, and not any longer. If Mundine finishes the year with Bika, and Green as scalps, it'd have been a decent year imo.
Oh and Faetter, while his opposition isn't up to scratch, at least he's staying active, which is more than I can say for Kessler, who come May, will have probably been sitting on his arse since November, while Mundine will have had 3 fights since then.
The guy had surgery on his hand following his lost to Calzaghe. Give the guy a break. :tong
LeonMcS
03-12-2008, 09:10 AM
Just don't buy the f'ing thing. Don't even go to a pub to see this. Only when he starts losing money on his 'cards' may Main Event wake up.
He will punish Sammy, Bika and Green all within a year - this is great news :happy:happy:happy
That is a fairly decent year in my opinion.
Decebal
03-12-2008, 12:05 PM
He will punish Sammy, Bika and Green all within a year - this is great news :happy:happy:happy
That is a fairly decent year in my opinion.
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He will punish Sammy, Bika and Green all within a year - this is great news :happy:happy:happy
That is a fairly decent year in my opinion.
And he will probably do it again in 2009-2010-2011 -------
Decebal
03-12-2008, 12:21 PM
And he will probably do it again in 2009-2010-2011 -------
:lol:
pecks
03-12-2008, 05:01 PM
The guy had surgery on his hand following his lost to Calzaghe. Give the guy a break. :tongThe hand that was all fine before the fight, then directly afterwards it was fine, but then later on it was badly injured. The same hand that he threw more often than his trademark jab.
Is this the same hand you're talking about? :p
Perhaps it might have been a bit sore, but I haven't read anywhere that it required surgery, and Palle saying so (if he did) doesn't make it so. He also claimed Kessler would need back surgery after his fight with Mundine, yet the surgery was never required.
ozziebattler
03-12-2008, 07:01 PM
And he will probably do it again in 2009-2010-2011 -------
And what will Kessler be doing:huh
Is that guy still alive???
ozziebattler
03-12-2008, 07:06 PM
The hand that was all fine before the fight, then directly afterwards it was fine, but then later on it was badly injured. The same hand that he threw more often than his trademark jab.
Is this the same hand you're talking about? :p
Perhaps it might have been a bit sore, but I haven't read anywhere that it required surgery, and Palle saying so (if he did) doesn't make it so. He also claimed Kessler would need back surgery after his fight with Mundine, yet the surgery was never required.
That was a cop out.
Kessler must of blown alot of money through booked procedures that never eventuated.
pecks
03-12-2008, 08:09 PM
That was a cop out.
Kessler must of blown alot of money through booked procedures that never eventuated.:lol:
The thing is, I like Kessler as a fighter, and he usually comes off as a great type of guy. but the injury excuse thing is a bit weak.
Why is Kesslers hand OP a cop out?
He didn't use it as an excuse for the loss, he admitted he got outboxed by Joe.
Kessler will be back, better for the loss I suspect.
Rick.
Decebal
03-12-2008, 09:11 PM
Why is Kesslers hand OP a cop out?
He didn't use it as an excuse for the loss, he admitted he got outboxed by Joe.
Kessler will be back, better for the loss I suspect.
Rick.
This is all true.:good
pecks
03-12-2008, 09:27 PM
Why is Kesslers hand OP a cop out?
He didn't use it as an excuse for the loss, he admitted he got outboxed by Joe.
Kessler will be back, better for the loss I suspect.
Rick.Bullshit. he contradicted himself just by mentioning it.
A quote my Kessler in a recent interview...
"Yeah. Of course. The things I could have done different. You always look at that. But as I say, I don’t want to come with bad excuses. That’s why I said after the fight I don’t have any problems with my hands in the fight. But I had it like three weeks before the fight. But I know for the next fight, everything has to be 100%. And I feel that now I lost one fight out of my forty fights, now I know that next time I will be ready. Now I know how to not get so many injuries. I can only get better from my loss and be a better fighter."
Now I know I have to be 100% for my next fight?! Like any boxer didn't know that before.
Sounds like whining, and excuse making to me, though most fighters do it, so we shouldn't judge him too harshly.
Decebal
03-12-2008, 09:33 PM
Bullshit. he contradicted himself just by mentioning it.
A quote my Kessler in a recent interview...
"Yeah. Of course. The things I could have done different. You always look at that. But as I say, I don’t want to come with bad excuses. That’s why I said after the fight I don’t have any problems with my hands in the fight. But I had it like three weeks before the fight. But I know for the next fight, everything has to be 100%. And I feel that now I lost one fight out of my forty fights, now I know that next time I will be ready. Now I know how to not get so many injuries. I can only get better from my loss and be a better fighter."
Now I know I have to be 100% for my next fight?! Like any boxer didn't know that before.
Sounds like whining, and excuse making to me, though most fighters do it, so we shouldn't judge him too harshly.
He had hand problems but he didn't use those problems as an excuse either before or after the fight, for losing. However, he also says that in future, if he had such problems again, he'd postpone the fight. Maybe he is saying in other words that it might have affected him mentally, a bit. A bit of an excuse, but it's not like he says: "if I didn't have these hand problems, I'm sure I could have won!" He is just saying he would have done better if he hadn't been injured...which is obviously true - the injury must have affected him. Yet, we all know, and he does too, that it wasn't because of the injury that he lost. Calzaghe was just better.
Bullshit. he contradicted himself just by mentioning it.
A quote my Kessler in a recent interview...
"Yeah. Of course. The things I could have done different. You always look at that. But as I say, I don’t want to come with bad excuses. That’s why I said after the fight I don’t have any problems with my hands in the fight. But I had it like three weeks before the fight. But I know for the next fight, everything has to be 100%. And I feel that now I lost one fight out of my forty fights, now I know that next time I will be ready. Now I know how to not get so many injuries. I can only get better from my loss and be a better fighter."
Fair enough, I hadn't seen that.
Now I know I have to be 100% for my next fight?! Like any boxer didn't know that before.
Sounds like whining, and excuse making to me, though most fighters do it, so we shouldn't judge him too harshly.
Exactly.
Kessler has always appeared very professional and a gentleman, why would you think his hand injury is bogus? What should he say if he has an injury?
I think it's a little unfair to compare Kessler to other whingers like (say) Mundine.
Rick.
pecks
03-12-2008, 09:41 PM
No worries Rick.
No doubt Kessler isn't in Mundine's league when it comes to shit talking, ect, but imo, saying you've got a crook hand afterwards, and then saying that next time you'll be 100% is making excuses.
I've said it from day 1 that if you get any kind of injury in a fight of this magnitude, at the very least you make an attampt to postpone it. No attempt was made, which is why I'm led to believe the injury wasn't very severe.
Decebal
03-12-2008, 09:43 PM
No worries Rick.
No doubt Kessler isn't in Mundine's league when it comes to shit talking, ect, but imo, saying you've got a crook hand afterwards, and then saying that next time you'll be 100% is making excuses.
I've said it from day 1 that if you get any kind of injury in a fight of this magnitude, at the very least you make an attampt to postpone it. No attempt was made, which is why I'm led to believe the injury wasn't very severe.
Indeed. It could not have been so severe as to have altered the outcome...and Kessler must have known that before as well as after the fight.
So for the mundine Fight kessler was 73.543%
For the Andrade fight he was 86.456%
For the Beyer Fight he was 94.95%
and the Calzaghe fight (taking the hand into account) was 88.2314%.
So the way I understand it we've yet to see kessler at 100% :yep :patsch
As for the operations - he's probably still on the public waiting lists, stindgy bastard... :yep
IrnBruMan
03-12-2008, 10:20 PM
:lol:
The thing is, I like Kessler as a fighter, and he usually comes off as a great type of guy. but the injury excuse thing is a bit weak.
Hang on mate, Mundine's had the flu, broken ribs, a badly sprained ankle, an eye injury and a torn bicep to explain away various losses and poor performances. At least Kessler lost to Calzaghe in a better performance than some of Mundine's wins :yep
Steel Kelly
03-12-2008, 11:22 PM
I hear Mundine will be fighting Rocky Mattioli after Soliman then a grudge match against Barry Michael and if Fenech wins in Thailand......:yikes
So for the mundine Fight kessler was 73.543%
For the Andrade fight he was 86.456%
For the Beyer Fight he was 94.95%
and the Calzaghe fight (taking the hand into account) was 88.2314%.
So the way I understand it we've yet to see kessler at 100% :yep :patsch
As for the operations - he's probably still on the public waiting lists, stindgy bastard... :yepTrue true.
lefty
03-13-2008, 01:28 AM
Bullshit. he contradicted himself just by mentioning it.
A quote my Kessler in a recent interview...
"Yeah. Of course. The things I could have done different. You always look at that. But as I say, I don’t want to come with bad excuses. That’s why I said after the fight I don’t have any problems with my hands in the fight. But I had it like three weeks before the fight. But I know for the next fight, everything has to be 100%. And I feel that now I lost one fight out of my forty fights, now I know that next time I will be ready. Now I know how to not get so many injuries. I can only get better from my loss and be a better fighter."
Now I know I have to be 100% for my next fight?! Like any boxer didn't know that before.
Sounds like whining, and excuse making to me, though most fighters do it, so we shouldn't judge him too harshly.
He's a top fighter, he has to tell himself that, he can't say to himself i was 100% and i lost, he needs reasons to keep himself training and full of confidence. Kessler is a classy guy and he is not taking anything away from Calzaghe.
As for this fight i think it's lose-lose for Mundine, he's fighting a guy he's already comprehensively beaten, if he doesn't win in a similar fashion it might take some confidence away from him and mundine needs confidence, i think Mundine is slowing down and this fight will give a good indication of where he's at, so that's one plus for this fight.
ozziebattler
03-13-2008, 03:26 AM
He's a top fighter, he has to tell himself that, he can't say to himself i was 100% and i lost, he needs reasons to keep himself training and full of confidence. Kessler is a classy guy and he is not taking anything away from Calzaghe.
As for this fight i think it's lose-lose for Mundine, he's fighting a guy he's already comprehensively beaten, if he doesn't win in a similar fashion it might take some confidence away from him and mundine needs confidence, i think Mundine is slowing down and this fight will give a good indication of where he's at, so that's one plus for this fight.
I dont think the mouth is slowing down i just think he is relying on the power shot too much now(his right hand).
He still delivered quick 1.2's on hamdan but then stands back to admire himself or something.
He needs to use his speed and decent power in a more relentless fashion.
Wait a second im still talking about Mundine.FUCK THIS SHIT.
Im outta here.
Farmboxer
03-13-2008, 03:42 AM
Jose "The Bandit" Sulaiman will not have a chance! LOL!
pecks
03-13-2008, 03:52 AM
Hang on mate, Mundine's had the flu, broken ribs, a badly sprained ankle, an eye injury and a torn bicep to explain away various losses and poor performances. At least Kessler lost to Calzaghe in a better performance than some of Mundine's wins :yepI'm not defending Mundine and his excuses, just pointing out that Kessler is a bit of a whiner at times.
Faetter_BR
03-13-2008, 06:20 AM
Well boxers are seldom 100% - they nearly always have some injury.
Kessler had a bad hand before Calzaghe - it prevented him from sparing for a few weeks, but according to himself it was OK in the fight - which the fight pretty much shows us - as his right lifted Calzaghe of the floor a few times - if he did that with a broken hand, well then it doesn't mater if his hands are broken... and furthermore 2 weeks of sparring wouldn't have won Kessler the fight (a proper trainer might, but that's a different story) As for Kessler claiming to be ok before the fight ... this fight was his careerhigh payday - by far - so of course he didn't risk it being cancelled. It all comes down to overconfidense on Kessler's and especially his trainers part.
Prior to the Beyer-fight Kessler hurt his ribs a bit - a pretty common Injury. This is only a rumour though, I've never seen Kessler confirme it. I have no knowledge of an injury prior to the Andrade fight.
As for the Mundine-fight he was badly injured before the fight. He did no roadwork for 6 weeks and only 30 rounds of light sparring (normally he does 100-150 rounds of live sparring).He should never have fought that fight, but the WBA was going to strip his if proponed the fight again - WBA and teampalle wasn't good friend at that time - still isn't. If you look at how Kessler fought it was very clear that he was not in his normalform - he was out of air by round 4 and threw much less punches than he normally does. Anyone who have seen two Kessler-fight can see that. The Mundine-fight is also the only fight that Kessler contiues to claim that he wasn't 100% - and far from it.
In summary - Kessler was below top form versus Mundine - quite a bit - against Calzaghe he was as close to 100% as a boxer can exspect to be.
If Mundine ever grows the balls to fight a live opponent again then I'm convinced you'll see the difference between Kessler in his form against Mundine and Kessler in perfect (or close) form, and it wouldn't be pretty for Mundine.
lefty
03-13-2008, 07:01 AM
I dont think the mouth is slowing down i just think he is relying on the power shot too much now(his right hand).
He still delivered quick 1.2's on hamdan but then stands back to admire himself or something.
He needs to use his speed and decent power in a more relentless fashion.
Wait a second im still talking about Mundine.FUCK THIS SHIT.
Im outta here.
You're getting soft ozziebattler, what's going on.
You might be right, he can get away with admiring his work against sub-par opponents, he'll have to step up his workrate against better fighters. Mundine better be careful he's not developing too many bad/lazy habits fighting the guys he's been fighting.
ozziebattler
03-13-2008, 07:34 AM
You're getting soft ozziebattler, what's going on.
You might be right, he can get away with admiring his work against sub-par opponents, he'll have to step up his workrate against better fighters. Mundine better be careful he's not developing too many bad/lazy habits fighting the guys he's been fighting.
I have been looking at most(obviously not all) of the top fighters of today and one thing stands out for me.
Relentless workrate.
Eg:Calzaghe,pacman,pavlik etc.
Mundine is never going to fight the balls and all style the guys mentioned above do but he has to pick things UP in the workrate department.
I will give the mouth his props as he is very accurate with his shots.
So why not throw a few more per round???
Throwing 2 or 3 awesome rights and the odd accurate 1-2's can only get u so far.
With his defence and accurate attack all he has to do is step up the workload and great things will come for the man/mouth.
OH I NEARLY FORGOT....FIGHTING SOME TOP TIER OPPOSITION WOULD HELP ASWELL.
Super_Fly_Sam
03-15-2008, 07:27 AM
Fuck this is bullshit.. im a Mundine fan but he is goin backwards constantly and is makin it very very hard to support him...
someone needs to tell him if u constantly face poor opposition sooner or later your gonna drop to there level....
know one wants to see him end up like Andrew Golota who had all the skills to be one of the best but lacked the mental strength until it was to late and he no longer had the physical abilities anymore
ashley
03-17-2008, 05:18 AM
Well boxers are seldom 100% - they nearly always have some injury.
Kessler had a bad hand before Calzaghe - it prevented him from sparing for a few weeks, but according to himself it was OK in the fight - which the fight pretty much shows us - as his right lifted Calzaghe of the floor a few times - if he did that with a broken hand, well then it doesn't mater if his hands are broken... and furthermore 2 weeks of sparring wouldn't have won Kessler the fight (a proper trainer might, but that's a different story) As for Kessler claiming to be ok before the fight ... this fight was his careerhigh payday - by far - so of course he didn't risk it being cancelled. It all comes down to overconfidense on Kessler's and especially his trainers part.
Prior to the Beyer-fight Kessler hurt his ribs a bit - a pretty common Injury. This is only a rumour though, I've never seen Kessler confirme it. I have no knowledge of an injury prior to the Andrade fight.
As for the Mundine-fight he was badly injured before the fight. He did no roadwork for 6 weeks and only 30 rounds of light sparring (normally he does 100-150 rounds of live sparring).He should never have fought that fight, but the WBA was going to strip his if proponed the fight again - WBA and teampalle wasn't good friend at that time - still isn't. If you look at how Kessler fought it was very clear that he was not in his normalform - he was out of air by round 4 and threw much less punches than he normally does. Anyone who have seen two Kessler-fight can see that. The Mundine-fight is also the only fight that Kessler contiues to claim that he wasn't 100% - and far from it.
In summary - Kessler was below top form versus Mundine - quite a bit - against Calzaghe he was as close to 100% as a boxer can exspect to be.
If Mundine ever grows the balls to fight a live opponent again then I'm convinced you'll see the difference between Kessler in his form against Mundine and Kessler in perfect (or close) form, and it wouldn't be pretty for Mundine.
If you are right then that makes Joe and even better fighter than I thought and the gap between 1st and 3rd in SMW huge..
scorpy
03-17-2008, 02:08 PM
Now I know I have to be 100% for my next fight?! Like any boxer didn't know that before.
You have to lose once to know what it is, what it feels like.
Lots of boxers go out there and have fights with little injuries thinking it doesn't matter or thinking they have no choice whatsoever.
Most probably Kessler had fought injured before and won and didn't fully understood how important it was to be 100% when facing a guy like JC.
atommo86
03-18-2008, 09:49 AM
The Question is when is going to step it up and have the balls to goto the States and fight
scorpy
03-18-2008, 11:32 AM
The Question is when is going to step it up and have the balls to goto the States and fight
Mundine is making plenty of money fighting in Aussieland. He does not need nor should he take a paycut just to fight in the states. Of course, it could be his only way of landing that big fight he's always talking about.
Didnt know you get balls for simply going to the states :huh
scorpy
03-18-2008, 10:47 PM
Didnt know you get balls for simply going to the states :huh
Yeah, you get them on your first trip and after the third one, you get golden ones. :nut
ozziebattler
03-18-2008, 11:42 PM
Didnt know you get balls for simply going to the states :huh
Apparently its the only place in the world.
Did you know that??
Apparently there aint anything else outside of the U.S.A.
Fair dinkum fuckwits.
pecks
03-19-2008, 12:08 AM
Apparently its the only place in the world.
Did you know that??
Apparently there aint anything else outside of the U.S.A.
Fair dinkum fuckwits.And considering the US's best at 168 are Lacy, Green, and Manfredo, it adds to the reason on why not to go fight over there.
Europeans have dominated this division for a while now, and will probably continue to do some for a bit more too. I don't see Pavlik changing this.
Dr Gonzo
03-19-2008, 12:13 AM
And considering the US's best at 168 are Lacy, Green, and Manfredo, it adds to the reason on why not to go fight over there.
Europeans have dominated this division for a while now, and will probably continue to do some for a bit more too. I don't see Pavlik changing this.
how do you think Kessler vs Pavlik would go at 168? Both have great power but i feel Kessler's good chin and technical skills would be a little much.
pecks
03-19-2008, 12:17 AM
how do you think Kessler vs Pavlik would go at 168? Both have great power but i feel Kessler's good chin and technical skills would be a little much.Honestly, I'd say Kessler would be way too much for Pavlik. He'd hit him at will and would stop him in the mid rounds.
I don't rate Pavlik much. I think he'd have a hard time at 168. Kessler beats him with ease imo.
Dr Gonzo
03-19-2008, 12:20 AM
Honestly, I'd say Kessler would be way too much for Pavlik. He'd hit him at will and would stop him in the mid rounds.
I don't rate Pavlik much. I think he'd have a hard time at 168. Kessler beats him with ease imo.
yeah it would be a big test - but Kessler would really have to come forward hard IMO
Im a big Pavlik fan but 168 is much better in terms of competition than 160 at the moment... the move up is going to be tough
AussieMauler
03-19-2008, 11:55 PM
I think you guys are under rating Pavlik quite a bit.
The guy has an absolutely thunderous jab. Thats right i said Jab. This guy gets respect from his opponent straight away. Add to that the absolute stone right hand he has.Aside from a little lack of discipline against Taylor Pavlik would be a very tough fight for Kessler. Pavliks knockdown came fighting a guy who is more or less supermiddle outside the ring at a catchweight of 166. He has proven he has something in his beard worth respecting.
I'd have it as a pick em fight. 50/50.....as i dont particularly follow either guy i will happily sit on the fence. i am only asking that he is given some credit.
Choc loses to BOTH. Thats from a Choc fan too
ozziebattler
03-20-2008, 12:57 AM
Choc loses to BOTH. Thats from a Choc fan too
I love it how after someone says a certain fighter loses they add that its coming from a fan(of the certain fighter) to try give the opinion more substance.
The ozziebattler would ko the AussieMauler in 1round
(and thats not coming from a Mauler fan).
AussieMauler
03-20-2008, 01:28 AM
Come on now, you ask anyone here who has been around for more than 12 minutes.
Pork Chop is back afetr three years and i remember before he went away hahahahahaha
even ask some of the Danish boys- i am a huge fan of Choc. But he doesnt fight the sort of fight that has him beating Kessler or Pavlik. My opinion you can say what you like
Mundine is still my favourite fighter
Aussiemauler def is one of my favourite fellow nuthuggers and he needs to fly that cartoon space alien avatar he use to have.
I dont agree with Pavlik beating Mundine or Kessler :nono
stiflers mum
03-20-2008, 01:51 AM
Aussiemauler def is one of my favourite fellow nuthuggers and he needs to fly that cartoon space alien avatar he use to have.
I dont agree with Pavlik beating Mundine or Kessler :nono:good:deal
AussieMauler
03-20-2008, 02:52 AM
Aussiemauler def is one of my favourite fellow nuthuggers and he needs to fly that cartoon space alien avatar he use to have.
I dont agree with Pavlik beating Mundine or Kessler :nono
Iam so proud you remember Marvin the Martian...iam so overcome with happiness
I said mundine loses to Both....and Kessler Pavlik was 50/50
Jack Daniels
03-20-2008, 06:40 AM
see next post......
Jack Daniels
03-20-2008, 06:43 AM
Iam so proud you remember Marvin the Martian...iam so overcome with happiness
I said mundine loses to Both....and Kessler Pavlik was 50/50
I think that his new avatar should be something like this:-
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And I pose the question "is he a true boxing fan or does he just like watching men with their shirts off?":huh
Also noticed that he supports the underdog and perhaps that's due to his preference for guys who "cum from behind".
No offence mate, just trying to create some new nemesis behaviour. spice things up.
Iam so proud you remember Marvin the Martian...iam so overcome with happiness
I said mundine loses to Both....and Kessler Pavlik was 50/50Stick the avatar up buddy,
I also remember MSTRs RJJ amateur avatar, if we got all these flying it would bring a happy tear to my eye :cool:
AussieMauler
03-22-2008, 02:40 AM
Who did Jack LOSE an avatar bet to?
oztriker
03-22-2008, 03:14 AM
Yeah, looking past Soliman to Mundine/Soliman 4
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Jack Daniels
03-23-2008, 03:46 AM
Who did Jack LOSE an avatar bet to?
Man you are loose with words. Heard you're also pretty loose in the ring?
ajay11
03-24-2008, 12:42 AM
Fair enough, I hadn't seen that.
Exactly.
Kessler has always appeared very professional and a gentleman, why would you think his hand injury is bogus? What should he say if he has an injury?
I think it's a little unfair to compare Kessler to other whingers like (say) Mundine.
Rick.
Choc never used injury as an excuse for losing a fight.
Also many fighters have hand injuries, some going their entire career with bad hands.
What 40 fight pro doesn't understand that it's a bad thing to go into a fight injured?
ajay11
03-24-2008, 12:44 AM
Hang on mate, Mundine's had the flu, broken ribs, a badly sprained ankle, an eye injury and a torn bicep to explain away various losses and poor performances. At least Kessler lost to Calzaghe in a better performance than some of Mundine's wins :yep
Back this statement up with facts.
I suggest your problem is a failed lobotomy and anguish over an inverted penis.
IrnBruMan
03-24-2008, 06:37 AM
Back this statement up with facts.
I suggest your problem is a failed lobotomy and anguish over an inverted penis.
The flu and lack of training facilities was why the feather-fisted Ottke knocked him out, according the The Mouth. I can't find anything on the internet quoting that, but I recall him saying he had to spar in his hotel room as he had no facilities or partners, and he also had the flu because he didn't take his vitamins.
He was apparently carrying a broken rib when he beat Echols - he announced after the fight he had it.
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Coincidentally, he had to postpone the originally scheduled Echols fight for a month due to...the flu!
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He conveniently slipped in front of a video camera - that was turned on!!! - during a training session, spraining his ankle, and that was why he lost to Siaca.
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And his choice of opponent in Clavero was excused because of his near-fatal eye infection!!!
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And just for some extra value, he done torn his bicep during this farce of a fight, giving him an ideal excuse for not fighting for another 6 months...
Enough facts for you, fuckstick? :yep
IrnBruMan
03-24-2008, 06:37 AM
Choc never used injury as an excuse for losing a fight.
Also many fighters have hand injuries, some going their entire career with bad hands.
What 40 fight pro doesn't understand that it's a bad thing to go into a fight injured?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The flu and lack of training facilities was why the feather-fisted Ottke knocked him out, according the The Mouth. I can't find anything on the internet quoting that, but I recall him saying he had to spar in his hotel room as he had no facilities or partners, and he also had the flu because he didn't take his vitamins.
He was apparently carrying a broken rib when he beat Echols - he announced after the fight he had it.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Coincidentally, he had to postpone the originally scheduled Echols fight for a month due to...the flu!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He conveniently slipped in front of a video camera - that was turned on!!! - during a training session, spraining his ankle, and that was why he lost to Siaca.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And his choice of opponent in Clavero was excused because of his near-fatal eye infection!!!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And just for some extra value, he done torn his bicep during this farce of a fight, giving him an ideal excuse for not fighting for another 6 months...
Enough facts for you, fuckstick? :yepSimilar timeline as Kessler, his fans are waiting for the day when he's 100% so the world can see true talent :yep
ashley
03-24-2008, 06:47 AM
The flu and lack of training facilities was why the feather-fisted Ottke knocked him out, according the The Mouth. I can't find anything on the internet quoting that, but I recall him saying he had to spar in his hotel room as he had no facilities or partners, and he also had the flu because he didn't take his vitamins.
He was apparently carrying a broken rib when he beat Echols - he announced after the fight he had it.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Coincidentally, he had to postpone the originally scheduled Echols fight for a month due to...the flu!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He conveniently slipped in front of a video camera - that was turned on!!! - during a training session, spraining his ankle, and that was why he lost to Siaca.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And his choice of opponent in Clavero was excused because of his near-fatal eye infection!!!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And just for some extra value, he done torn his bicep during this farce of a fight, giving him an ideal excuse for not fighting for another 6 months...
Enough facts for you, fuckstick? :yep
Thats some of your best work Muttley....keep it up :good
The flu and lack of training facilities was why the feather-fisted Ottke knocked him out, according the The Mouth. I can't find anything on the internet quoting that, but I recall him saying he had to spar in his hotel room as he had no facilities or partners, and he also had the flu because he didn't take his vitamins.
He was apparently carrying a broken rib when he beat Echols - he announced after the fight he had it.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Coincidentally, he had to postpone the originally scheduled Echols fight for a month due to...the flu!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He conveniently slipped in front of a video camera - that was turned on!!! - during a training session, spraining his ankle, and that was why he lost to Siaca.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And his choice of opponent in Clavero was excused because of his near-fatal eye infection!!!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And just for some extra value, he done torn his bicep during this farce of a fight, giving him an ideal excuse for not fighting for another 6 months...
Enough facts for you, fuckstick? :yepThese all pale in comparisson to the beauties Kessler fans served up after the JC loss..."nervous energy..." :rofl:rofl:rofl
pecks
03-24-2008, 05:18 PM
Heh, well as I've said before, most fighters come up with excuses for their losses, and Mundine, and even Green are no different to Kessler.
I think it's interesting to take notice of a fighter straight after his loss. Imo, that is when they are at their most honest. It's only later down the track when they start finding excuses to use as a coping mechanism.
Mundine has used flu, and an ankle injury as an excuse, but not on the night of the fight. Only afterwards.
Right after the Siaca loss, he said that Siaca was just too strong, and he tried to mix it up with him but couldn't.
Right after the Ottke fight....well, :D
Right after the Kessler fight, he never used any excuses either, nor afterwards.
Green was the same right after his 2nd loss with Beyer, and Mundine. But afterwards named excuses for both of them.
Kessler was also the same right after the Calzaghe loss, yet later came up with excuses.
Decebal
03-24-2008, 05:22 PM
Heh, well as I've said before, most fighters come up with excuses for their losses, and Mundine, and even Green are no different to Kessler.
I think it's interesting to take notice of a fighter straight after his loss. Imo, that is when they are at their most honest. It's only later down the track when they start finding excuses to use as a coping mechanism.
Mundine has used flu, and an ankle injury as an excuse, but not on the night of the fight. Only afterwards.
Right after the Siaca loss, he said that Siaca was just too strong, and he tried to mix it up with him but couldn't.
Right after the Ottke fight....well, :D
Right after the Kessler fight, he never used any excuses either, nor afterwards.
Green was the same right after his 2nd loss with Beyer, and Mundine. But afterwards named excuses for both of them.
Kessler was also the same right after the Calzaghe loss, yet later came up with excuses.
This is all true; I've noticed that as well; good post!:good
(You can also see whether they really liked each other straight after the final bell - shake hands/embrace, etc. - it's all plain to see)
ajay11
03-24-2008, 10:45 PM
The flu and lack of training facilities was why the feather-fisted Ottke knocked him out, according the The Mouth. I can't find anything on the internet quoting that, but I recall him saying he had to spar in his hotel room as he had no facilities or partners, and he also had the flu because he didn't take his vitamins.
He was apparently carrying a broken rib when he beat Echols - he announced after the fight he had it.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Coincidentally, he had to postpone the originally scheduled Echols fight for a month due to...the flu!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
He conveniently slipped in front of a video camera - that was turned on!!! - during a training session, spraining his ankle, and that was why he lost to Siaca.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And his choice of opponent in Clavero was excused because of his near-fatal eye infection!!!
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
And just for some extra value, he done torn his bicep during this farce of a fight, giving him an ideal excuse for not fighting for another 6 months...
Enough facts for you, fuckstick? :yep
You have proved nothing more than your low IQ
He carried a broken rib when he BEAT Echols.
Postponing a fight due to flu is not the same as a poor performance or losing a fight
He had sprained his ankle before the Siaca fight but never used it as an excuse.
The choice of an opponent, again is not the same as a poor performance or losing a fight.
So the simple facts are that he has never used injury as an excuse for losing a fight which was the issue.....
now go away and shake some sense into that skull of yours by headbutting a brick wall.
IrnBruMan
03-24-2008, 10:51 PM
You have proved nothing more than your low IQ
He carried a broken rib when he BEAT Echols.
Postponing a fight due to flu is not the same as a poor performance or losing a fight
He had sprained his ankle before the Siaca fight but never used it as an excuse.
The choice of an opponent, again is not the same as a poor performance or losing a fight.
So the simple facts are that he has never used injury as an excuse for losing a fight which was the issue.....
now go away and shake some sense into that skull of yours by headbutting a brick wall.
You can lead a horse to water...
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