Joe Calzaghes face...

[Dunky McCafferty]

Yup thats right, you read the thread title correctly, its a thread about Joe Calzaghes face. You dont know what Im blabbering on about? Well let me explain...

Im talking about Joe Calzaghes face when Enzo Mac was being counted out by the referee. Hes looking up at big Enzo Mac, & when the ref calls the fight off, Joe has a face like thunder then turns around & walks away.

& thats what this thread is about, Joes face at that particular moment the ref waved off the fight. Now was Joe pissed off at the fight being stopped? Or was Joe pissed off with Enzo Mac that he lost the fight & thats why he turned away with THAT look on his face.

I have replayed the incident a good few times & am leaning towards the latter, each time I watch it I am more sure that Joe Calzaghe was pissed off with Enzo Mac, rather than being sad that his stablemate had just been defeated. Now if Joe had any concern for big Enzo, why did he just turn around & walk away? Was it cos Joe was angry at Maccarinelli for letting his father down by being defeated in such a spectacular manner?

Im just speculating of course, but have a look again for yourselves & study Joes face as he watched Enzo being counted out, & tell me what you think was going through Joes mind just before he walked away, & tell us what you think!

[9Ball]

I haven't seen the fight yet as I am on nights this weekend, but I reckon JC's reaction was probably a mixture of both. Mac said himself that Enzo was going to be mad at him. Maybe JC was more mad than his dad?? Oh wait, no that can't be possible. Enzo Calzaghe is as mad as a can of beans!!
I reckon Enzo beat Mac up after fight worse than Haye did!!!
:D

[PH|LLA]

my guess is that Calz had a decent size bet on his buddy Mac

[Dunky McCafferty]

I haven't seen the fight yet as I am on nights this weekend, but I reckon JC's reaction was probably a mixture of both. Mac said himself that Enzo was going to be mad at him. Maybe JC was more mad than his dad?? Oh wait, no that can't be possible. Enzo Calzaghe is as mad as a can of beans!!
I reckon Enzo beat Mac up after fight worse than Haye did!!!
:D

The link to the fight on YT has been posted on this forum somewhere, have a look around for it. Although knowing ******, its probably been wiped by now:twisted:

[steelem]

Yup thats right, you read the thread title correctly, its a thread about Joe Calzaghes face. You dont know what Im blabbering on about? Well let me explain...

Im talking about Joe Calzaghes face when Enzo Mac was being counted out by the referee. Hes looking up at big Enzo Mac, & when the ref calls the fight off, Joe has a face like thunder then turns around & walks away.

& thats what this thread is about, Joes face at that particular moment the ref waved off the fight. Now was Joe pissed off at the fight being stopped? Or was Joe pissed off with Enzo Mac that he lost the fight & thats why he turned away with THAT look on his face.

I have replayed the incident a good few times & am leaning towards the latter, each time I watch it I am more sure that Joe Calzaghe was pissed off with Enzo Mac, rather than being sad that his stablemate had just been defeated. Now if Joe had any concern for big Enzo, why did he just turn around & walk away? Was it cos Joe was angry at Maccarinelli for letting his father down by being defeated in such a spectacular manner?

Im just speculating of course, but have a look again for yourselves & study Joes face as he watched Enzo being counted out, & tell me what you think was going through Joes mind just before he walked away, & tell us what you think!

i know what your saying dunky me & the mrs watched it again last night & calzaghe was mad as fxxx - i reckon though he was mad cus his just seen his best mate battered -but he knows what mac can do & he obviously didnt take his training material to the fight - suppose ild be pissed off if my mate was too put in so much hard work & be down in the 2nd

[Jack Dempsey]

I saw that too! it was a picture, he looked like an angry parent

[ManOnFire]

:lol: As soon as i read the thread title i knew what u was on about..i spotted it straight away when i watched the reply next morning..Joe had a face like thunder and i believe it was cos he was pissed off with big mac for 'not fighting the plan'..

Joe didnt once try to get the refs attention by shouting or arguing with his decision to stop the fight..he simple shook his head in disgust and walked away..thinking to himself .'why the fcuk didnt u listen to us Enzo' :patsch

[scurlaruntings]

At the end of the day Enzo is a decent boxer but lets be real his not up there with tbe Bells Mormecks and Hayes yet. His best foe to date prior to Haye was Wayne Braithwaite..

When it mattered most Enzo was found wanting. No shame there.

[scurlaruntings]

Taking into account his inactivity and one fight per year the logical answer has to be no. But he still has a case because of his longevity and tenure as the champ when he unified with Mormeck. Bell is still a force to be reckoned with and one of the more harder punchers in the division. Had that been Bell holding that title rather than Mormeck Haye would have been put to sleep.

[robpalmer135]

Joe was pissed at how bnad he thought his buddy performed, he knew the stopage was right.

[Tony Harrison]

I think the fighters in Enzo's gym are very close knit and involved in eachother's preparations for their fights. This fight was a big deal from the moment it was signed and Joe Calzaghe was obviously hoping his mate would go out there and perform on the big stage.

The realisation that Haye was simply far too quick and strong for their boy to handle must have been a real sickener.

[DamonD]

Joe's facial expression didn't change the whole time when he was stood up and glaring at Enzo. If he'd have been pissed off about the ref stoppage, I would've expected a "what the hell?" kind of reaction or body language, rather than keeping the same one.

So yeah, I agree.

I think Joe was angry that Enzo lost, but also embarrassed for both Enzo and Calzaghe Sr. You could also throw in the fact that Macca was one of Joe's favourite sparring partners and was going to be a big part of the training for Hopkins, and now that can't happen for a while (BBFC block on knocked-out fighters fighting for 30 days I believe).

[GazOC]

I knew what this thread was about before I clicked on it. My old man pointed it out when we watched the replay together on Sunday.

I may be wrong (and maybe I'm being harsh) but my first thought was that Calzaghe looked disgusted at Enzos performance, like he was gutted he was associated with it in any way - even just as a flag carrier.

[bill poster]

JC had a flutter i think

[elle]

JC had a flutter i think


Possibly with the mark-up on the alleged 'ticket gate' saga.

Can't see that thread anymore, perhaps its been deleted ....

[dwilson]

I noted his face while it was happening too, very funny. Looked as if he had found that used condom in his pocket he was saving for later.

[Tony Harrison]

Hhhmmmm watched it again and Joe does simply look disgusted!

Hopefully they have all calmed down and not changed the locks on the doors at the Calzaghe gym!

Hard people the Calzaghe's.

[DamonD]

Hopefully they have all calmed down and not changed the locks on the doors at the Calzaghe gym!
:lol:
Like something out of Rocky, where he goes to the locker room and finds out Mickey's cleared it out and given it to someone else...

[Healy]

I noticed that straight away also.

He was majorly pissed off for sure, and that look wasn't one of 'no way ref, bullshit decision'

It was more a 'fuck sake Enzo, what were you doing?'

Nobody has mentioned this yet and i think its a vital point. Since Enzo was TKO'd/stopped it means that he cannot spar 'in any shape or form' for at least 30 days. An order from the BBBC. This of course means that Joe Calzaghe is without his #1 sparring partner for his fight with Hopkins in just over a month, now im not saying this was going through Joes mind at the time of knockout but i bet it has since then.

I thought Enzo Calzaghe was an arse yet again in the interview after the fight, for the whole 60 second they interviewed him he mumbled for about 50 secs and through in a few curse words while giving out to Maccarnelli basically. And spoke half clearly for 10 seconds

[chesh]

I noticed that straight away also.

He was majorly pissed off for sure, and that look wasn't one of 'no way ref, bullshit decision'

It was more a 'fuck sake Enzo, what were you doing?'

Nobody has mentioned this yet and i think its a vital point. Since Enzo was TKO'd/stopped it means that he cannot spar 'in any shape or form' for at least 30 days. An order from the BBBC. This of course means that Joe Calzaghe is without his #1 sparring partner for his fight with Hopkins in just over a month, now im not saying this was going through Joes mind at the time of knockout but i bet it has since then.

I thought Enzo Calzaghe was an arse yet again in the interview after the fight, for the whole 60 second they interviewed him he mumbled for about 50 secs and through in a few curse words while giving out to Maccarnelli basically. And spoke half clearly for 10 seconds

Which 10 seconds? :lol:

[Healy]

Which 10 seconds? :lol:True enough:good

[Tony Harrison]

What was the 'mistake' they kept alluding to?

Enzo C seemed to have spotted one microscopic error which changed the fight completely,even going as far as to say that if said mistake hadn't happened the fight would have gone differently.

I fail to see how getting brutalised by a faster and technically superior fighter can be put down to making one error.

Bad form from the Calzaghe camp. They didn't compliment Haye remotely.

[Jack Dempsey]

Enzo Calzaghe came across as a right nob after the fight, I couldn't understand most of what he was saying, perhaps its because he's not been used to losing recently

[Max Molyneux]

At the end of the day Enzo is a decent boxer but lets be real his not up there with tbe Bells Mormecks and Hayes yet. His best foe to date prior to Haye was Wayne Braithwaite..

When it mattered most Enzo was found wanting. No shame there.

He would beat Bell and Mormeck.

[Broxi]

Joe's a natural born winner and his will to win is more than most fighters, so yeah, it probably was a bit of disgust mixed with dissapointment there.

Haye was just way way too fast for Enzo, however, I'm gonna hold judgement on whether Haye can "dominate the heavyweight division" like has been claimed, we all know he is very beatable.

I'm looking forward to seeing what weight Haye comes out at for his next HW fight and how much this will affect his speed.

[DamonD]

From a picture just before Haye's big right landed, it looked like Enzo was setting up for a left hook of his own.

Nobody has mentioned this yet and i think its a vital point. Since Enzo was TKO'd/stopped it means that he cannot spar 'in any shape or form' for at least 30 days. An order from the BBBC. This of course means that Joe Calzaghe is without his #1 sparring partner for his fight with Hopkins in just over a month, now im not saying this was going through Joes mind at the time of knockout but i bet it has since then.
Yeah, I mentioned it in my earlier post here.
And I do think that will irritate Joe, not saying it'll destroy Joe's training or anything melodramatic like that, but he's very chummy with Enzo and will miss sparring him.

[Decebal]

Calzaghe went up to see how Macca was, after he saw him staggering back to the corner. He might have been thinking Macca could possibly pull through and that he, Calzaghe, might be able to shout out some encouragement or advice. He looks on closely at Macca's face and when the ref waves it off, he shakes his head in angry disappointment. It looked to me he was disappointed at the early stoppage - he might have thought Macca was good to continue for a bit more, but he also looked disappointed at the state of affairs - that Macca lost. I don't think he was disappointed with Macca particularly. He did look like a worried father as he saw Macca staggering to the corner. Maybe he was a bit disappointed that Macca was blown out so fast too...perhaps he was bittely disappointed for Macca too - they are close, y'know!

[scurlaruntings]

It wont effect his speed at all unless he turns into a blob overnight. His muscle memory will remain the same despite an extra 20lbs plus physically he may be more comfortable at the weight. Only problem is his training habits which are dire.

[GazOC]

Only problem is his training habits which are dire.
Thats a shame. He won't be the first 'small guy' to use the move up to heavyweight as an excuse to slack off.l

[GazOC]

I think it's more important for him to be a winner. he loved the adulation he got on Sunday morning and he knows what he needs to do to keep winning.

I hope so, we'll just have to wait and see.

[scurlaruntings]

Thats a shame. He won't be the first 'small guy' to use the move up to heavyweight as an excuse to slack off.lDavids not a guy that furnishes too many excuses. If he gets blown away at heavy he`ll know its all his own fault.

[GazOC]

Davids not a guy that furnishes too many excuses. If he gets blown away at heavy he`ll know its all his own fault.
You misunderstand me Scurra. I meant at heavyweight the absence of having to make a weight can lead boxers to slack off, and extra few pounds here and there doesn't really make any difference anymore like it does when you HAVE to be 200lbs for a weigh in.

[Decebal]

You misunderstand me Scurra. I meant at heavyweight the absence of having to make a weight can lead boxers to slack off, and extra few pounds here and there doesn't really make any difference anymore like it does when you HAVE to be 200lbs for a weigh in.

I agree...would Haye have trained as hard and as didciplined if he could have come in at any weight, no problem, for Macca? No.

On the other hand, because he will be much smaller than the big HWs, even if he fights at his best weight, say 220 odd, unless he gives a life-best performance every time, like he did against Macca, he's not going to beat the best, is he? He is aware his defence needs to be even better, for example; he is aware he needs to be as fast as ever, and as precise...so he will continue to give his very best, because he wants to be the best.

[brown_bomber]

same look enzo's going to have on his face when hopkins ko's calzaghe :D

[dwilson]

I agree...would Haye have trained as hard and as didciplined if he could have come in at any weight, no problem, for Macca? No.

On the other hand, because he will be much smaller than the big HWs, even if he fights at his best weight, say 220 odd, unless he gives a life-best performance every time, like he did against Macca, he's not going to beat the best, is he? He is aware his defence needs to be even better, for example; he is aware he needs to be as fast as ever, and as precise...so he will continue to give his very best, because he wants to be the best.

Apart from Wlad which big heavy weight is any good? And Wlad has big problems of his own to contend with when facing a guy of Haye's stature.

And at 6' 3" and 220+ Haye is not going to be dwarfed.

[Decebal]

Apart from Wlad which big heavy weight is any good? And Wlad has big problems of his own to contend with when facing a guy of Haye's stature.

And at 6' 3" and 220+ Haye is not going to be dwarfed.

I think Chagaev is good too...then, there's Peter and Povetkin...they are the best, I think. If course, everyone will have problems with Valuev...

...Haye said that within 2 years he hopes to be undisputed HW Champ. Let's assume he only steps into the ring once more this year - he needs a break and he needs to put on 20 pounds of muscle - takes time...

...also, let's assume he'll fght three times next year and 2 more the year after, by summer...that makes around 6 fights...

...can Haye become HW Champ in 6 fights? If he keeps winning, I think so...3 easyish fights, then a Chagaev, Povetkin or Valuev, and finally Wlad...there you go. But he cannot jump straight to Chagaev or Valuev and then Wlad...he needs to be given time.

[HOF]

Joe would've been pissed off that Enzo lost and showed nothing of what he is capable of. If they fought 10 times you might expect Haye to win every time but to just stand in front of Haye and present an immobile target with a nice high chin wouldn't have been the plan. Think Joe is also pissed off cos his sparring is now buggered for the Hopkins fight cos apparently Macca won't be allowed into any sort of ring for 30 days after a knockout under british board rules. I think thats the case anyway and he was supposed to be Joe's chief sparring partner

[ron u.k.]

i think joe looked disgusted at enzo.is this far fetched if he beats hopkins calzaghe calling out haye at cruiserweight?

[GazOC]

is this far fetched if he beats hopkins calzaghe calling out haye at cruiserweight?

Would you be surprised if I said I thought is wasn't far fetched?

Its not far fetched, its fucking ridiculous!!!;)

[dwilson]

I think Chagaev is good too...then, there's Peter and Povetkin...they are the best, I think. If course, everyone will have problems with Valuev...

...Haye said that within 2 years he hopes to be undisputed HW Champ. Let's assume he only steps into the ring once more this year - he needs a break and he needs to put on 20 pounds of muscle - takes time...

...also, let's assume he'll fght three times next year and 2 more the year after, by summer...that makes around 6 fights...

...can Haye become HW Champ in 6 fights? If he keeps winning, I think so...3 easyish fights, then a Chagaev, Povetkin or Valuev, and finally Wlad...there you go. But he cannot jump straight to Chagaev or Valuev and then Wlad...he needs to be given time.


Yep I agree. Haye needs time but it depends on the American TV guys plans for him. Hopefully he will get fed a few guys like Hasim, I would like a Skelton fight just for us Brits.

I like Peter. He is big and a monster but hardly great and I can not see him dominating the division, I think he would be an harder test than Wlad even though I rate Wlad higher.

Povetkin uses his face too much has his defence, which his great against the guys he has been fighting. He is a long way away from being considered a serious threat to the belts.

Chagaev is good but small and has not been over impressive for awhile.

Unification is an hard task for anyone but Haye has a decent shout. He is capable of causing his opponents has much of a problem because of his size and athleticism than it causing him trouble.

[Decebal]

i think joe looked disgusted at enzo.is this far fetched if he beats hopkins calzaghe calling out haye at cruiserweight?

:lol:

I think it is...Haye KO 3 Calzaghe at CW.

[Decebal]

Yep I agree. Haye needs time but it depends on the American TV guys plans for him. Hopefully he will get fed a few guys like Hasim, I would like a Skelton fight just for us Brits.

I like Peter. He is big and a monster but hardly great and I can not see him dominating the division, I think he would be an harder test than Wlad even though I rate Wlad higher.

Povetkin uses his face too much has his defence, which his great against the guys he has been fighting. He is a long way away from being considered a serious threat to the belts.

Chagaev is good but small and has not been over impressive for awhile.

Unification is an hard task for anyone but Haye has a decent shout. He is capable of causing his opponents has much of a problem because of his size and athleticism than it causing him trouble.

The problem is: what happens when Haye comes against a hard chinned monster with a good punch, even a mediocre one...maybe the guy cracks his chin...

I cannot see Haye going all the way because of his chin, unless his defence becomes much better.

[Max Molyneux]

The problem is: what happens when Haye comes against a hard chinned monster with a good punch, even a mediocre one...maybe the guy cracks his chin...

I cannot see Haye going all the way because of his chin, unless his defence becomes much better.

Haye's got a small neck for someone bulking up to Heavyweight though. Seems he only built his upper body as his legs are skinny though.

[Decebal]

Haye's got a small neck for someone bulking up to Heavyweight though. Seems he only built his upper body as his legs are skinny though.

:think

[scurlaruntings]

Haye's got a small neck for someone bulking up to Heavyweight though. Seems he only built his upper body as his legs are skinny though.Neck size to be honest isnt an indication of much. Peters got a neck like a tank and his chin is still average. Hayes neck was bigger than Enzo`s though at 17" compared to 16". Physically in all stats i believe he was bigger other than height.

[MON]

Haye's got a small neck for someone bulking up to Heavyweight though. Seems he only built his upper body as his legs are skinny though.

That's his build.

He's lanky and has a long neck.

He'll still KO the meatheads in the HW division...

[Decebal]

i think it'll be Povetkin, then Ibragimov (get the ko that Wlad couldn't). It depends what the HW landscape looks like by that point - but I'd go for Chagaev and Peter next. Both eminently beatable. If Valuev's back in the frame - maybe him too?

Then Wlad.

Chagaev, Peter and then Wlad? That is much too fast...He cannot go as fast as that, I don't think. It wouldn't be wise. At this rate, he could be HW Undisputed Champ by this time next year and even Haye banks on 2 years at the earliest...:think

[dwilson]

The problem is: what happens when Haye comes against a hard chinned monster with a good punch, even a mediocre one...maybe the guy cracks his chin...

I cannot see Haye going all the way because of his chin, unless his defence becomes much better.


Im sorry but a big enough puncher :huh Like the one the one Haye posses would pretty much level up the fact Haye has a poor chin.

When you step in with a huge puncher the quality of your chin hardly matters.

[Max Molyneux]

That's his build.

He's lanky and has a long neck.

He'll still KO the meatheads in the HW division...
Yeah, he doesn't really have a HW build but he could of built his neck too? Holy when he moved up built his neck and upper body.

He wont KO them all, guys like Chagaev have granite chins and are used to big shots, his power will look average.

[Max Molyneux]

Chagaev, Peter and then Wlad? That is much too fast...He cannot go as fast as that, I don't think. It wouldn't be wise. At this rate, he could be HW Undisputed Champ by this time next year and even Haye banks on 2 years at the earliest...:think

Don't know why he's giving It 3 years, It could take long with all the politics. Lennox took till he was 33/34 to unify them all.

Hope he doesn't have too many yes men around him.

[Decebal]

Don't know why he's giving It 3 years, It could take long with all the politics. Lennox took till he was 33/34 to unify them all.

Hope he doesn't have too many yes men around him.

He wants to be out of boxing by the time he's 30, he said. So...2 and a half years. I guess he recons the division is weak and with so many unifications lately, he won't have to beat that many to get a shot at the best. If he beats one of the unified Champs, he only has to beat another one, Wlad, say...and that's it.

[Sprint]

Amir Khan did well to keep his emotions in check, whereas his dad seemed to be extremely upset when the referee called it off.

[scurlaruntings]

Im sorry but a big enough puncher :huh Like the one the one Haye posses would pretty much level up the fact Haye has a poor chin.

When you step in with a huge puncher the quality of your chin hardly matters.It certainly does. Look at what Ezra Sellers career amounted too? And he was a VERY talented cruiser. The same can almost be said for Kelvin Davis.Anyone here remember Micheal Bennett from the 2000 Olympics? He was the US champion and a Silver medalist the previous year. He was a dynamite puncher. But his chin by far had to be the worst in the hisotry of boxing. All the power he was able to wield didnt make a blind bit of diffrence and his professional career was over in 3 years. Obviously those are extreme examples and Hayes chin isnt that bad. BUT to be shook by a career super middle, KO`ed (although via exhaustion by Thompson) and dropped with LEAD RIGHT hands by Mormeck is bad news. These are all technical flaws that Haye can fix defensively.

At heavy he wont have a chance to fix them if his busy eating punches.

[MON]

Yeah, he doesn't really have a HW build but he could of built his neck too? Holy when he moved up built his neck and upper body.

He wont KO them all, guys like Chagaev have granite chins and are used to big shots, his power will look average.

How did Holyfield do it though? I know there's always been rumours about him juicing, don't know how true that is....

If Haye is going to take 9 months to be ready for the HW division, then he may be thinking about bulking areas such as his neck without becoming too heavy and losing his advantages.

I know Haye is 6ft3 and 200+ pounds, but I watched his fight and about an hour later I watched Peter - Maskaev, the size difference seemed vast, they seemed huge in comparison to Haye......partly because of their huge heads and stomachs admittedly. There's no way Haye needs to try and be anything like that though!

[hitman_hatton1]

At the end of the day Enzo is a decent boxer but lets be real his not up there with tbe Bells Mormecks and Hayes yet. His best foe to date prior to Haye was Wayne Braithwaite..

When it mattered most Enzo was found wanting. No shame there.

so diplomatic. :D

hatton lasted into the 10th with floyd and never got that sorta praise. :yep

[MON]

Amir Khan did well to keep his emotions in check, whereas his dad seemed to be extremely upset when the referee called it off.

I don't get people who complain about stoppages like that. What do they want, deaths in the ring?

If the ref had let the fight continue then Haye could have seriously hurt Enzo and Enzo wouldn't have been the same again. All it would take is a couple of unanswered rights to the temple and a bad fall and Enzo would have been fucked.

[scurlaruntings]

so diplomatic. :D

hatton lasted into the 10th with floyd and never got that sorta praise. :yepYeah but Enzo never had smoke blown up his ass nor a massive gravy train to derail and nor a hype train going at full pelt infront him. ****** fighters follow similar routes. Hatton Joe Enzo are all the same. Its only a matter of time before Hatton is throughly exposed. So you sit tight now your time will come.

[hitman_hatton1]

Yeah but Enzo never had smoke blown up his ass nor a massive gravy train to derail and nor a hype train going at full pelt infront him. ****** fighters follow similar routes. Hatton Joe Enzo are all the same. Its only a matter of time before Hatton is throughly exposed. So you sit tight now your time will come.

u been spouting that shite for years rantings.

still waiting leek tbh. :yep

[GazOC]

I fucking hate that word 'exposed', that and 'shot' are the two most over, and incorrectly, used words on ESB.

I can see Calzaghe having beaten Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins and Pavlik getting 'exposed' by Dawson in 2009!!!!

[Decebal]

I fucking hate that word 'exposed', that and 'shot' are the two most over, and incorrectly, used words on ESB.

I can see Calzaghe having beaten Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins and Pavlik getting 'exposed' by Dawson in 2009!!!!

Dawson could only beat Calzaghe if the latter was shot!:bart

:p

[mike464]

Enzo made a silly mistake. It can happen to anyone. If he hadn't made the mistake he would have won.

Also, as FW pointed out, we knew it was just a matter of who landed first and it just happened to be Haye. It could just as easily have been Enzo.

Enzo is clearly the better fighter. Take nothing away from Haye.

[Decebal]

Enzo made a silly mistake. It can happen to anyone. If he hadn't made the mistake he would have won.

Also, as FW pointed out, we knew it was just a matter of who landed first and it just happened to be Haye. It could just as easily have been Enzo.

Enzo is clearly the better fighter. Take nothing away from Haye.

:blood

[bratwurzt]

Enzo made a silly mistake. It can happen to anyone. If he hadn't made the mistake he would have won.

Also, as FW pointed out, we knew it was just a matter of who landed first and it just happened to be Haye. It could just as easily have been Enzo.

Enzo is clearly the better fighter. Take nothing away from Haye.

You are either trolling or thick as fuck.

[Cobbler]

Enzo made a silly mistake. It can happen to anyone. If he hadn't made the mistake he would have won.

Also, as FW pointed out, we knew it was just a matter of who landed first and it just happened to be Haye. It could just as easily have been Enzo.

Enzo is clearly the better fighter. Take nothing away from Haye.

:nut

It was never a matter of who landed first, it was always a matter of when Haye first landed.

[mike464]

What does trolling mean?

[Bodysnatcher]

Haye's got a small neck for someone bulking up to Heavyweight though. Seems he only built his upper body as his legs are skinny though.

His thigh circumference is 27 inches, which is massive.

[bratwurzt]

Trying to start an arguement with such silly statements.

[Bodysnatcher]

Enzo made a silly mistake. It can happen to anyone. If he hadn't made the mistake he would have won.

Also, as FW pointed out, we knew it was just a matter of who landed first and it just happened to be Haye. It could just as easily have been Enzo.

Enzo is clearly the better fighter. Take nothing away from Haye.

Didn't you see Enzo get tagged heavily by Haye's right hands whenever he came forward?

[mike464]

:nut

It was never a matter of who landed first, it was always a matter of when Haye first landed.I know. I was just kidding.

It's quite funny, the fight made it apparant that the two fighters are in different leagues but Enzo Calzaghe and Frank ****** are trying to make it seem like either man could have won. I suppose it's just damage limitation for when Enzo makes a comeback.

Frank ****** will know that Enzo was outclassed but I have no doubt that Enzo Calzaghe believes that Big Mac would have won if he hadn't made the "mistake".

[Bodysnatcher]

I know. I was just kidding.

It's quite funny, the fight made it apparant that the two fighters are in different leagues but Enzo Calzaghe and Frank ****** are trying to make it seem like either man could have won. I suppose it's just damage limitation for when Enzo makes a comeback.

Frank ****** will know that Enzo was outclassed but I have no doubt that Enzo Calzaghe believes that Big Mac would have won if he hadn't made the "mistake".

Ah, gotcha, and yeah, the `mistake` excuse is bollocks.

As for Calzaghe's reaction, it was probably a combination of losing money, losing a sparring partner and his general intolerence for losing.

Joe never strikes me as a guy who will pat a loser on the shoulder and say `at least you gave it a shot, kid.`

[Bodysnatcher]

I would also say that Calzaghe's reaction makes a mockery of the `early stoppage` crap.

Calzaghe was looking right up at Mac and I bet he saw in Mac's eyes the same as what the Ref saw.

[mike464]

Early stoppage? I was worried the ref might jump in too quickly but if the ref had let the fight go on it would have been criminal. He was wobbling all over the place.

[dwilson]

It certainly does. Look at what Ezra Sellers career amounted too? And he was a VERY talented cruiser. The same can almost be said for Kelvin Davis.Anyone here remember Micheal Bennett from the 2000 Olympics? He was the US champion and a Silver medalist the previous year. He was a dynamite puncher. But his chin by far had to be the worst in the hisotry of boxing. All the power he was able to wield didnt make a blind bit of diffrence and his professional career was over in 3 years. Obviously those are extreme examples and Hayes chin isnt that bad. BUT to be shook by a career super middle, KO`ed (although via exhaustion by Thompson) and dropped with LEAD RIGHT hands by Mormeck is bad news. These are all technical flaws that Haye can fix defensively.

At heavy he wont have a chance to fix them if his busy eating punches.


The lack of a decent chin will hinder any fighter laboured with it. But even the guys with good chins get put down when hit by the best. Look at Peter, he's a beast with a huge punch and good chin but Mcline put him over and over. Whether Haye's punch is big enough to do that we do not know yet but it will definetly level the playing feilds out.

More important to Haye than his punch is his skill, the bloke is talented and only Wlad will be on his level.

The big problem with Haye is not his chin but his low left hand, like I said before even granit chinned guys can not afford that.

Haye can not improve his chin but he can improve his defence. He still may get clocked and who knows he could get KOed in his first fight back against some bum but it would be good for boxing if he did actually end up being a force.

[mike464]

Any one else notice Enzo's hair sticking up at the back? It looked like he'd just woken up. Maybe that's why he lost?

He did look really silly for all 5 minutes of the fight.

[steelem]

Enzo never will.

surely with a comment like that - he must be a BUM

[Bomber_uk]

Any one else notice Enzo's hair sticking up at the back? It looked like he'd just woken up. Maybe that's why he lost?

He did look really silly for all 5 minutes of the fight.


I noticed that :lol: but to be honest I thought it happened when Haye hit him with the first big bomb in the 2nd, either way he looked a bit daft like you say :lol: :lol:

[ron u.k.]

Would you be surprised if I said I thought is wasn't far fetched?

Its not far fetched, its fucking ridiculous!!!;)yea.i agree!

[Bodysnatcher]

I could be wrong but I'm sure it was Joe Calzaghe's welsh voice I could hear all the way though that fight shouting `jab, jab!`

[toffeejack]

I could be wrong but I'm sure it was Joe Calzaghe's welsh voice I could hear all the way though that fight shouting `jab, jab!`

Yes it was.

I think the face of disgust was purely down to frustration on the way Enzo boxed. He knew he fucked up and was pissed off with his mate for throwing the chance away.