Samuel Peter will KTFO of David Haye

[Leeroy]

I would love to see Haye 'tested' at heavyweight by fighting Peter first. :yep

[Tom_Tocca]

I would love to see Haye 'tested' at heavyweight by fighting Peter first. :yep

After either Vitali, JC Gomez or Virchis has beaten Peter he can be used by Haye as a warm up...

[MancMexican]

Yeah, that sounds like an extremely well thought out, fair and balanced argument. Haye's 2nd fight at Heavyweight after his previous 2 fights being at Cruiser, should immediately fight a top 5 Heavyweight. That would be some test.

[bill poster]

I think Haye is ready to fight the main guys- if hes not ready now he will never be.

[Leeroy]

I think Haye is ready to fight the main guys- if hes not ready now he will never be.

Exactly. He obviously has some athletic ability/boxing ability, so why not? If he's as good as everyone says he is, then he should be contending right away. What better test than Peter?

Peter vs Haye. Then the winner fights Wlad. :yep

[robpalmer135]

Peter has to fight Vitiali, if he get through him he will have 2 mandatoys and judging on Don Kings previous they will be agaisnt absolute nobodys that are King fighters. (although Golota would be good) Then Peter will have a mandatory agaisnt the winner of Virchs and Gomez, then have 2 more mandatorys, then Haye will be in line..................basicly Peter vs Haye will never happen.

And if it did Haye is way to fast for peter, would be over in 3.

[slo100]

I think Haye would shred Peter unless he stands still and lets Peter man-handle him.

[peter5]

Peter is fucking awful, Haye should KO him, seriously

[Leeroy]

Peter would whoop his ass, Peter lands one punch and it's over


That, in my mind would be all that it would take. We know Peter has a solid chin. What would happen when Sam gets rough on Haye? :yep

People can accuse Peter of having dodgy stamina, but Haye has horrible stamina - and what happens with extra muscle mass?

I am sure Haye has the ability to out-box Peter for a few rounds, but Haye will get cocky/lazy and WILL have a nice shot land on him via Peter. What happens? It's good night for Haye.

[Smith]

Fucking hell the Peter nuthugging is worse than most others on here lately.

[0-1]

That, in my mind would be all that it would take. We know Peter has a solid chin. What would happen when Sam gets rough on Haye? :yep

People can accuse Peter of having dodgy stamina, but Haye has horrible stamina - and what happens with extra muscle mass?

I am sure Haye has the ability to out-box Peter for a few rounds, but Haye will get cocky/lazy and WILL have a nice shot land on him via Peter. What happens? It's good night for Haye.

Haye's stamina is fine nowadays, as is his chin. All of this is based on him naïvely punching himself out and getting stopped for tiredness, not damage, several years ago, against an excellent and very experienced -albeit old- fighter.

As for Peter, his chin is good, but he got knocked down a few times by Jameel McCline, with 23/38 KOs= 61%. Haye went down (from a slip as far as I could see) against a far superior unified champion with 22/33 KOs = 67%. He did, though, also go down against Lolenga Mock, with 12/27 KOs = 44%, so I'd be prepared to say Peter is probably more durable.

I think the bigger problems for Haye to beat Peter are two-fold:

1) Peter always punches around the back of the head, which is extremely dangerous to anyone. Never mind their chin, because Peter isn't hitting it! For that reason, until refs start controlling him (not likely with Don King in charge of his promotions), then I wouldn't favour anyone fighting him. It's a shame, because he clearly has some talent, but he's a danger in the ring not so much because of talent, but because he punches illegally.

2) Haye's knockouts often come from straight rights followed by hooks. Taking the Klitschko-Peter and the McCline-Peter fights together, I would suggest that Peter's slightly hunched stance seems to protect him very well against even very powerful straight rights; and that the uppercut and other inside-work might be the better way to hurt him. Haye's speciality seems to match to Peter's strength, not to his vulnerability.

Still, I'd pick Haye over Peter, because he's so fast, and so accurate, and has such good reflexes. It was an absolute joy to behold the way he repeatedly pulled his head back a whisker away from the extent of Maccarinelli's jab, and then leaned in again, knowing his movement was just too good for Maccarinelli's hands. Peter's hands are glacial in comparison.

[Haye]

I am not completely sold on Haye vs the top heavies, but I can say with a lot of confidence he could beat Peter. Maybe by KO, not sure how good Peter's chin is, but mark my words he would taste every shot David can throw. Far too slow and crude to beat Haye, who has good movement, great handspeed and accuracy, and is Seb Coe compared to Peter when assessing their respective stamina.

[Ambition_Def]

James Toney was twice the cruiser Haye will ever be. If Sammy could deal with JT's defensive movement and speed he'll crush Haye easily.

Look at the guy's neck. Speaking of Haye. That is not a neck that cannot be cracked. Sam will straight fuck him up. No doubt in my mind.

[Govanmauler]

James Toney was twice the cruiser Haye will ever be. If Sammy could deal with JT's defensive movement and speed he'll crush Haye easily.

Look at the guy's neck. Speaking of Haye. That is not a neck that cannot be cracked. Sam will straight fuck him up. No doubt in my mind.

ha ha ha ha hah a yeah right a f**kin bloated ex middleweight oh my sweet jesus there is some right shite talked on here. I loved Toney especially at SMW but at cruiser he was not " all that " the Jirov fight was spectacular but a lot of that was down to styles . Jirov was the perfect foil.

As for " the foul punch" machine Sam Peter he would be puffing panting and on his arse by round 6 against a HW Haye. Oh the european domination will continue !

[Ambition_Def]

ha ha ha ha hah a yeah right a f**kin bloated ex middleweight oh my sweet jesus there is some right shite talked on here. I loved Toney especially at SMW but at cruiser he was not " all that " the Jirov fight was spectacular but a lot of that was down to styles . Jirov was the perfect foil.

As for " the foul punch" machine Sam Peter he would be puffing panting and on his arse by round 6 against a HW Haye. Oh the european domination will continue !


:lol:

Nationality is a bitch. It blinds you and then fucks you.

[Leeroy]

James Toney was twice the cruiser Haye will ever be. If Sammy could deal with JT's defensive movement and speed he'll crush Haye easily.

Look at the guy's neck. Speaking of Haye. That is not a neck that cannot be cracked. Sam will straight fuck him up. No doubt in my mind.
Haye clearly has loads of athletic ability, but will he be able to knock Peter out? Very possible, but I would bet he doesn't. Peter took Wlad's punches for the whole fight, without any real problem, until the last round.

Will Haye have the mental fortitude to box, and concentrate for the whole 12 rounds (Knowing he can't KO Peter)? And will he be able to deal with Peter's rough-house tactics inside? All without getting caught, and his chin being tested at heavyweight? I seriously doubt it.

I doubt his promoter would put him in with Peter, or anyone in the top 10 for his introduction fight at heavyweight. It'll most likely be a c-level journeyman.

[Ambition_Def]

Well lets look at two obvious factors here.

1. Sam Peter is not Enzo Mac

2. Sam Peter is not Jean Mormeck


Ok, so we've gotten that out of the way. So what does a cruiser banger have to expect going up against Sam Peter? Nothing short of hell. That's what.

First and foremost, Sam Peter has already taken shots that Haye could never deliver. He took flush punches from a man the size of McCline and Waldo and survived. What will Haye do when he delivers his sunday punch and Sam just grins at him? It isn't in Haye to figure out what to do after that. Evident in the fact that he has been knocked out himself.

I personally don't think he has what it takes to fight a survivalist fight. He's used to guys just going away when he lands clean. Which won't happen with Sam Peter. And he will not like the power coming back at him.

James Toney was easily the best defensive cruiser of the last couple decades. Impossible to catch clean or hurt. Sam managed to do that. So how in the hell anyone expects a cruiserweight brawler to do better than JT could do is beyond me.

[Leeroy]

Haye's stamina is fine nowadays, as is his chin. All of this is based on him naïvely punching himself out and getting stopped for tiredness, not damage, several years ago, against an excellent and very experienced -albeit old- fighter.

As for Peter, his chin is good, but he got knocked down a few times by Jameel McCline, with 23/38 KOs= 61%. Haye went down (from a slip as far as I could see) against a far superior unified champion with 22/33 KOs = 67%. He did, though, also go down against Lolenga Mock, with 12/27 KOs = 44%, so I'd be prepared to say Peter is probably more durable.

I think the bigger problems for Haye to beat Peter are two-fold:

1) Peter always punches around the back of the head, which is extremely dangerous to anyone. Never mind their chin, because Peter isn't hitting it! For that reason, until refs start controlling him (not likely with Don King in charge of his promotions), then I wouldn't favour anyone fighting him. It's a shame, because he clearly has some talent, but he's a danger in the ring not so much because of talent, but because he punches illegally.

2) Haye's knockouts often come from straight rights followed by hooks. Taking the Klitschko-Peter and the McCline-Peter fights together, I would suggest that Peter's slightly hunched stance seems to protect him very well against even very powerful straight rights; and that the uppercut and other inside-work might be the better way to hurt him. Haye's speciality seems to match to Peter's strength, not to his vulnerability.

Still, I'd pick Haye over Peter, because he's so fast, and so accurate, and has such good reflexes. It was an absolute joy to behold the way he repeatedly pulled his head back a whisker away from the extent of Maccarinelli's jab, and then leaned in again, knowing his movement was just too good for Maccarinelli's hands. Peter's hands are glacial in comparison.

Good analysis. We will see. Hopefully team Haye announces their plans soon.....:yep (With some detail)

[Govanmauler]

:lol:

Nationality is a bitch. It blinds you and then fucks you.

Now thats a well thought out response !

Good thing is we shouldn't have to wait too long to find out , Haye is coming !

[nickthegreek]

That, in my mind would be all that it would take. We know Peter has a solid chin. What would happen when Sam gets rough on Haye? :yep

People can accuse Peter of having dodgy stamina, but Haye has horrible stamina - and what happens with extra muscle mass?

I am sure Haye has the ability to out-box Peter for a few rounds, but Haye will get cocky/lazy and WILL have a nice shot land on him via Peter. What happens? It's good night for Haye.

Haye has horrible stamina? What you basing this on then? If its the Carl Thompson fight then that was his 11th pro fight when he was green as hell, inexperianced in the pro game and blew himself out. He hasn't had much trouble with it since if any at all.

As for Peter having a solid chin, didn't Mcline nearly blow him out of there on 3 different occasions?

[Ambition_Def]

As for Peter having a solid chin, didn't Mcline nearly blow him out of there on 3 different occasions?

One knockdown which actually hurt Sam Peter. That right hand in the third would have killed Haye. Or at least put him in the hospital.

Haye doesn't possess the kind of shot that will trouble Sam Peter. You can take that to the bank.

[nickthegreek]

One knockdown which actually hurt Sam Peter. That right hand in the third would have killed Haye. Or at least put him in the hospital.

Haye doesn't possess the kind of shot that will trouble Sam Peter. You can take that to the bank.

If Peter is still around at the top level in 18 months time then we will see, as Haye isn't scared of anybody and will fight whoever it takes to get to the top.

[Ambition_Def]

If Peter is still around at the top level in 18 months time then we will see, as Haye isn't scared of anybody and will fight whoever it takes to get to the top.

Fair enough and I admire that. Infact I'll tell you now that I'd like nothing more than to see Haye make a splash. If he ends up turning out to be the second Holyfield it'll be good news for boxing. But admittedly, he has big shoes to fill.

[Haye]

Well lets look at two obvious factors here.

1. Sam Peter is not Enzo Mac

2. Sam Peter is not Jean Mormeck

You got that right. P4P both Macca and particularly Mormeck are vastly superior fighters to this clumsy, crude fat plodder.

[MON]

James Toney was easily the best defensive cruiser of the last couple decades. Impossible to catch clean or hurt. Sam managed to do that. So how in the hell anyone expects a cruiserweight brawler to do better than JT could do is beyond me.

Don't even try and compare Haye with Toney.

Toney was about 39 when he fought Peter and about 39 stone, the fat bastard. He's also about 5 inches shorter than Haye and has a reach that is 8 inches shorter.

Haye would kill that version of Toney.

[Ambition_Def]

Don't even try and compare Haye with Toney.

Toney was about 39 when he fought Peter and about 39 stone, the fat bastard. He's also about 5 inches shorter than Haye and has a reach that is 8 inches shorter.

Your point?

Haye would kill that version of Toney.

:rofl Yea because the only guy who ever "Killed" Toney doesn't exist. You are another Brit so full of yourself you need a plunger to take a shit.

Haye would find it incredibly difficult to hit JT clean. Everyone does. That's just reality.

[MON]

Your point?



:rofl Yea because the only guy who ever "Killed" Toney doesn't exist. You are another Brit so full of yourself you need a plunger to take a shit.

Haye would find it incredibly difficult to hit JT clean. Everyone does. That's just reality.

The point is, Haye is one of the best conditioned athletes in boxing. Despite his low left hand, he has a better chance of avoiding punches than an obese Toney.

Haye is in peak condition and will run rings around the fat heavyweights around now, Toney can't run, let alone run rings around someone.

Haye would drill Toney.

[Ambition_Def]

The point is, Haye is one of the best conditioned athletes in boxing. Despite his low left hand, he has a better chance of avoiding punches than an obese Toney.

Haye has been stopped. Toney has never been stopped. Toney has also only been dropped twice in his career on jabs which were balance shots. Sam Peter thus far is the only guy to really have rocked JT multiple times over 24 rounds.

Haye is in peak condition and will run rings around the fat heavyweights around now, Toney can't run, let alone run rings around someone.

Haye would drill Toney.


Of course. Because it's so easy to hit JT right? You are mistaken. Just because Sam found it easy doesn't mean everyone else will. Sam only hit JT because he was able to pin JT with strength in his jabs and forearms. Something Haye doesn't do. Good luck lunging at JT and hitting something other than glove or shoulder.

[MON]

Haye has been stopped. Toney has never been stopped. Toney has also only been dropped twice in his career on jabs which were balance shots. Sam Peter thus far is the only guy to really have rocked JT multiple times over 24 rounds.

That's because James Toney is finished now, he's fat and easy to tag.

Comparing this Toney to Haye is a joke, Haye's a different class to the current Toney.

[LiamE]

Toney wouldnt be a bad next fight for Haye.... big American name and an easy win.

[Nalian]

Im completely convinced that Haye would knock Peter out in under 3 rounds.

Haye - Much faster
Haye - Stronger (YES STRONGER!)
Haye - Better jab
Haye - Better boxing ability and more intelligent
Haye - Better conditioned and actually trains for his fights


Equal chins.


You can also say that resume is fairly equal considering Haye has huge amatuer pedigree.

[mr. magoo]

Toney wouldnt be a bad next fight for Haye.... big American name and an easy win.

I don't know. Haye's stamina is questionable, and Toney's a very experienced fighter who has never been stopped.

[Ambition_Def]

JT might be finished now, but it's only because of his motivation. He has the subtle moves and style to go as long as Hopkins has. If only he trained as good as he boxes.

Which is why as Haye backers, you ought to be a little worried about his chances even against a current day JT.

[MON]

Toney might have a chin, but Haye is vicious to the body. A few of them to Toney's considerable gut and he might be on the floor sucking wind.

No way Toney beats Haye currently.

[Ambition_Def]

Im completely convinced that Haye would knock Peter out in under 3 rounds.

You and every other Euro.

Haye - Much faster
Haye - Stronger (YES STRONGER!)
Haye - Better jab
Haye - Better boxing ability and more intelligent
Haye - Better conditioned and actually trains for his fights

Stronger? No. Just no.

Better jab? That is completely debatable.

Better boxing ability? Yes, he has that over Sam.

Better conditioning? I would debate that. Just because he looks like a bodybuilder doesn't mean he's all that well conditioned to fight. Losing because he was gassed sounds eerily familair to another Euro by the name of Waldo.

Equal chins.

Big difference between getting hit by a cruiser and a heavyweight who outweighs that cruiser by 60lbs. Haye will find that out soon enough though. As did every other cruiser who moved up to heavyweight. ALL of them got dropped hard at times. Even Holyfield.

You can also say that resume is fairly equal considering Haye has huge amatuer pedigree.

Resume at pro? No. The two JT wins were monumental for Sam Peter. As is his current title reign as a heavyweight champion. When Haye actually grabs a heavyweight title, then we'll talk. As for now I'll give him the big edge in amateur experience. But cruiser work ain't heavy work.

[Jack]

First and foremost, Sam Peter has already taken shots that Haye could never deliver. He took flush punches from a man the size of McCline and Waldo and survived. What will Haye do when he delivers his sunday punch and Sam just grins at him? It isn't in Haye to figure out what to do after that. Evident in the fact that he has been knocked out himself.Once again, people are getting things messed up. You are making the assumption that the bigger you are, the harder puncher. Throughout the history of boxing, the hardest hitters have been around 220lbs, which will be Haye's weight at heavy.

Earnie Shavers weighed 210-215lbs.
Joe Louis weighed 200lbs-210lbs
George Foreman weighed 220lbs-230lbs.
Mac Foster weighed 210-220lbs.
Sonny Liston weighd 210-220lbs.

Power = Speed x strength. These heavyweights sure have a lot strength, but lack the speed. Look at that horrific heavyweight fight over the weekend. Both were as slow as molasses. It was ridiculous.

The facts show that the perfect punching weight is when the guys are in shape, fast and still have power. The superheavyweights of today, except Wlad, have only one thing going for their power. Their natural size.

It's completely ignorant to assume the bigger you guy, the harder you hit. History shows this is completely innaccurate.[/QUOTE]

[Ambition_Def]

Once again, people are getting things messed up. You are making the assumption that the bigger you are, the harder puncher. Throughout the history of boxing, the hardest hitters have been around 220lbs, which will be Haye's weight at heavy.

Earnie Shavers weighed 210-215lbs.
Joe Louis weighed 200lbs-210lbs
George Foreman weighed 220lbs-230lbs.
Mac Foster weighed 210-220lbs.
Sonny Liston weighd 210-220lbs.

Power = Speed x strength. These heavyweights sure have a lot strength, but lack the speed. Look at that horrific heavyweight fight over the weekend. Both were as slow as molasses. It was ridiculous.

The facts show that the perfect punching weight is when the guys are in shape, fast and still have power. The superheavyweights of today, except Wlad, have only one thing going for their power. Their natural size.

It's completely ignorant to assume the bigger you guy, the harder you hit. History shows this is completely innaccurate.


Not exactly true. Foreman, Shavers and others like them were considered to be normal to big sized heavyweights for their day. And compared to their smaller contemporaries, they WERE slow and plodding and predictable. Have you ever seen prime George Foreman? His looped right hands and plodding footwork were not a far cry from what we see from Sam today.

All the small men suffered some hard knockdowns at the hands of the bigger, slower, more predictable heavyweights. Holyfield got dropped by Bowe, Patterson got dropped by Liston, Fraizer got dropped by Foreman, and the list goes on and on.

The thing about a man who is 250lbs is that he doesn't have to be unpredictable or fast to hurt you. Foreman's right hand is also slow as hell. But when it hits it hurts. Just ask Moorer who stood in front of one thinking he'd be able to take it.

The way these big men beat the smaller, faster men is by bodying them around the canvas. Pushing, shoving, leaning on them wears them down enough to where they'll be there for the big predictable punch. And the way Sam Peter pushes opponents with his forearm you can be sure Haye would find himself pinned at points. If not knocked the fuck out from a right hand he caught while being pinned.

[jecxbox]

Haye will F Peter up. Too much speed and skill for Peter. He'd be a sitting heavybag. Sure Peter could KO Haye if he connects, But if not what do you got? You'd get an Ass Kicking that Haye would Dish out until Peter is dead in the ring.

[Nalian]

You and every other Euro.



Stronger? No. Just no.

Better jab? That is completely debatable.

Better boxing ability? Yes, he has that over Sam.

Better conditioning? I would debate that. Just because he looks like a bodybuilder doesn't mean he's all that well conditioned to fight. Losing because he was gassed sounds eerily familair to another Euro by the name of Waldo.



Big difference between getting hit by a cruiser and a heavyweight who outweighs that cruiser by 60lbs. Haye will find that out soon enough though. As did every other cruiser who moved up to heavyweight. ALL of them got dropped hard at times. Even Holyfield.



Resume at pro? No. The two JT wins were monumental for Sam Peter. As is his current title reign as a heavyweight champion. When Haye actually grabs a heavyweight title, then we'll talk. As for now I'll give him the big edge in amateur experience. But cruiser work ain't heavy work.



You say 2 wins like Peter actually won the first Toney fight, he lost, and clearly at that. I had it 8-4 to Toney like most of the people on this site and in the boxing world did.

There shouldnt have even been a rematch.

Haye is better conditioned, there's no question. Peter is a fat tub of shit. I'd actually pick Haye to beat Peter at nearly every single sport in the world.

[iceman]

I was a Peter fan and defended him vigorously after ther 2 Toney fights.

I think Haye is a loudmouthed arrogant prick.

After having seen Peters last 6 or 7 fights and Hayes last 2 fights i think Haye will KTFO Peter in 2 or 3 rounds.Any Peter fan impressed with his performance against a 40 year old,china-chinned,rusty, average in his prime Oleg Maskaev is seriously delusional.
Peter was slow and easy to hit.Haye has easily enough power to KO Peter and will be able to unload at will.
Seriously Haye KO 3

[marting]

Let Haye fight a single decent heavyweight before you start with the wet dreams of success in the heavyweights. It's a big leap.

Besides Holyfield there hasn't been too many guys to even do much in the era of monster heavyweights of today. And I'm not ready to hand Haye the status of Holyfield without him fighting a single decent heavyweight.

I give Haye a shot but I wouldn't bet on it. Taking a shot from Mormeck is not the same thing as taking one of Peter's bombs. Plus Peter, despite what 270 pound Jameel McCline did, has one helluva a chin. I think he walks right through Haye but I have my doubts we'll even see Haye in a fight with Peter.

I think they'll take him on a very careful route of beatable heavyweights before he'll even see the likes of a Peter or the Klitschko brothers.

[JMP]

Peter knocks Haye out

[Ambition_Def]

To say that haye is stronger should get you a lifetime ban for stupidity from esb

Him and about 20 other Euros who flood this forum with outright stupidity. :lol:

[Alo2006]

Haye first fight should be against one of the Russian fighter, except Klit :yep

[audio101]

Yeah, that sounds like an extremely well thought out, fair and balanced argument. Haye's 2nd fight at Heavyweight after his previous 2 fights being at Cruiser, should immediately fight a top 5 Heavyweight. That would be some test.

Damn it's depressing that he's a top 5 heavyweight fighter..:-(

[Zakman]

I would love to see Haye 'tested' at heavyweight by fighting Peter first. :yep

Good lord, you're a sadist. If Carl Thompson dented Haye's questionable whiskers, Peter will shatter them into a million pieces.

[EARL]

Good lord, you're a sadist. If Carl Thompson dented Haye's questionable whiskers, Peter will shatter them into a million pieces.


You must have a lot of stock on Peter, eh?

[rydersonthestorm]

Good lord, you're a sadist. If Carl Thompson dented Haye's questionable whiskers, Peter will shatter them into a million pieces.
Not if he was american though:roll:

[Ambition_Def]

Not if he was american though:roll:

Well Sam Peter ain't American either. Maybe citizenship but primarily Nigerian.

We just happen to have an objective stake in this. You Brits in particular are crazy about this Haye fella.

[rydersonthestorm]

Well Sam Peter ain't American either. Maybe citizenship but primarily Nigerian.

We just happen to have an objective stake in this. You Brits in particular are crazy about this Haye fella.
Sorry buy you obviously don't read many of zakmans posts, any fighter from england has a china chin, including lennox lewi etc etc.

[Zakman]

Not if he was american though:roll:

Hey, stop talking about all our shitty heavyweights, will ya!!! :lol:

[Jack]

Good lord, you're a sadist. If Carl Thompson dented Haye's questionable whiskers, Peter will shatter them into a million pieces.
Thompson didn't really hurt Haye. Despite getting hit with clean punches on the chin, he was not even close to being knocked out.

Have you even seen the Thompson fight?

[Zakman]

Thompson didn't really hurt Haye. Despite getting hit with clean punches on the chin, he was not even close to being knocked out.

Have you even seen the Thompson fight?

Note I said "dented" and not "destroyed." Bottom line - he was stopped by a CRUISERWEIGHT, and he's hit the deck since.

At HW that chin will get shattered again and again, IF Haye is masochistic enough to stay up there. Think Bob Foster.:yep

[Sardu]

Al Bernstein mentioned on the Showtime telecast that he believes Haye should matriculate through the heavyweight division first and not go right for a title fight. Also, Haye said himself that he has been training for about nine straight months in northern Cyprus and will take a much needed rest. I believe he said his first foray into the heavyweight ranks should take place in late-summer of this year.

[FibreOptic]

Maybe after Peter wakes up after being KO'ed by Haye.

[Ambition_Def]

Maybe after Peter wakes up after being KO'ed by Haye.

One look at Haye's neck and frame will tell you that he doesn't have it in him to take a solid heavyweight punch. Or maybe you just shouldn't have "optic" in your name.

We'll just call you fibre. Because when I think of you I think of easy shit.

[Rudolph]

I'd think twice before betting on Haye in a possible Peter bout

[Toopretty]

One look at Haye's neck and frame will tell you that he doesn't have it in him to take a solid heavyweight punch. Or maybe you just shouldn't have "optic" in your name.

We'll just call you fibre. Because when I think of you I think of easy shit.
:lol:

[goldnarms]

One look at Haye's neck and frame will tell you that he doesn't have it in him to take a solid heavyweight punch. Or maybe you just shouldn't have "optic" in your name.

We'll just call you fibre. Because when I think of you I think of easy shit.

Not that what you're saying has no validity. But you can't look at someone's anatomy and assume their chin.

Chis Byrd, Ali, Jimmy Young, are fighters that jump to mind that don't meet your criteria. The true ablity to take a punch begins with seeing the punch and moving with it.

I would think Haye would have no issues seeing whatever the very crude Peter throws. But who knows, lets hope one day its settled in the ring.

[Ambition_Def]

Not that what you're saying has no validity. But you can't look at someone's anatomy and assume their chin.

Chis Byrd, Ali, Jimmy Young, are fighters that jump to mind that don't meet your criteria. The true ablity to take a punch begins with seeing the punch and moving with it.

I would think Haye would have no issues seeing whatever the very crude Peter throws. But who knows, lets hope one day its settled in the ring.

Yea because Haye fights like Byrd, Ali and Young. :lol:

Think about it man. Who else can you say reminds you of a fast hard punching cruiser with a thin neck? The first guy who springs to my mind is Jeremy Williams.

[Words]

Sam Peter is too slow to win rounds against Haye. Infact he's too ponderous to win rounds against anyone with good footwork and quick hands. I'm putting money on Juan Carlos Gomez outpointing him.

Against Gomez, Povetkin, Wlad, Vitali and Haye, Sam Peter has nothing more than a punchers chance.

[Ambition_Def]

Sam Peter is too slow to win rounds against Haye. Infact he's too ponderous to win rounds against anyone with good footwork and quick hands. I'm putting money on Juan Carlos Gomez outpointing him.

Against Gomez, Povetkin, Wlad, Vitali and Haye, Sam Peter has nothing more than a punchers chance.

Sam peter has flattened guys with quicker hands and quicker feet before. It'd be no surprise to see him do it again either.

[Words]

Like Jeremy Williams? That was a one-punch KO, and thats what I said, the best chance Peter has against any skiled Heavyweight is landing one of those punches and hoping for the best.

[majinjohn]

Haye would murder peter, peter is just a journeyman who's got a big punch.

[goldnarms]

Yea because Haye fights like Byrd, Ali and Young. :lol:

Think about it man. Who else can you say reminds you of a fast hard punching cruiser with a thin neck? The first guy who springs to my mind is Jeremy Williams.

The point obviously isn't that he fights like them. Its your illogical assumption that ones anatomy is the primary factor in determining ones chin. You are painting with to broad a stroke.

[Ambition_Def]

The point obviously isn't that he fights like them. Its your illogical assumption that ones anatomy is the primary factor in determining ones chin. You are painting with to broad a stroke.

It's been the same point that I've made consistently in this thread.

Exciting give and take brawlers at heavyweight need to be able to take some hard punches. Haye can't. So he's either going to adapt a very boring style (like what Waldo uses today) or he's going to win some and lose some.

The reason why most cruisers lose when they step up is that none of their dominance has transcended easily. Not the power, not the durability and certainly not the assumptions. Evander Holyfield was the best cruiserweight ever. Yet even he found himself in wars at the top level. Imagine if he had a chin like David Haye. He would have never beaten Riddick Bowe, who by the way was the first to flatten Jeremy Williams.

Everyone looks at these big heavyweights and think they are talentless oafs. Yet you forget that there is speed, and then there is timing. And timing kills speed. Good timing. Like the kind Sam Peter showed when he knocked Williams out.

[Boxfan1]

Haye would never withstand a Peter punch, or a punch from any of the top fifteen heavyweights right now. He simply doesn't have it yet. Maybe with time, but I just don't think so. Anyway, if he decides to fight at 220 or 230, don't expect the same speed and far less stamina. Translation: He gets beat down.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I am interested in Haye splashing into the heavyweight division. However, I am extremely suspicious on how he can actually do against the top guys in the division. I can't see him taking what Peter throws back at him.

[Leeroy]

how about that pete will presure hay for a lil bit that soften him up with the clubing write or thee left behind the ears than finish him with two clubing hands behind the head.:hi:
:lol: :lol:

[Leeroy]

I am interested in Haye splashing into the heavyweight division. However, I am extremely suspicious on how he can actually do against the top guys in the division. I can't see him taking what Peter throws back at him.


Nor me. I'm sure all it would take, is one good shot from Peter. :yep

[Jack]

But you are assuming that Peter actually lands a punch. I don't think he would land one flush shot in 12 rounds. I'm serious, too. Haye is too quick and Peter is too slow. Haye would be in and out, bobbing and weaving, making Peter look stupid.

Some people seem to think Joe Frazier has a weak chin. Fair enough if you think that, you're wrong but it's your opinion, and sometimes when you see a 'Frazier vs. massive puncher' thread, you get the usual "Big puncher may do what Foreman did". I've seen this argument many times, for example, when the big puncher is Tua ir Shavers. Yes, Frazier might get stopped if he gets hit clean, but he isn't going to. Frazier's defence and attacking style was so awkward and unconventional that most big punchers wouldn't land a thing on him.

So, anyway, back to Haye. Yes, Peter could stop him if he hit him hard enough. However, look at some of Haye's fights against far better punchers than peter. he isn't getting hit my more precise, faster punchers. So why do we assume that Peter would land on him? I don't think he has the technical ability to land one of his hardest punches over the 12 rounds.

In which recent fight has Haye shown that he can be hit by such a slow, ponderous puncher? in which recent fights has Peter shown he can hit a guy as fast and elusive as Haye?

[Manning]

Let's get this good 50/50 fight signed. The heavyweight redemption super fight, have them duke it out for the WBA irregular belt. I have Haye as a slight favorite in this one and has a strong chance to win this one on points.

[JunitoJab]

Sammy P gets the beating of his life

[Thomas!!]

David Haye would beat sam peter up and stop him in the later rounds. Sam Peter is done.

[Robney]

Peter is done now... this is a early 2008 thread when Peter was still concidered a top HW, before the beating he took from Vitali.

And I clearly favour 2008 Sam Peter over 2008 Haye :yep