if Pacquiao stops Marquez p4p # 1 ?

[Iron Mick Titan]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez

[D_knowsboxing]

IMHO, Pac isn't in the equation for a #1 ranking no matter how impressive he is against Marquez. Great fighter, but no way #1 P4P

[King Dan]

I say yes because although he may not be as talented as Floyd, he has been fighting better guys over the last 4 years.

Marquez, Morales and MAB were all top 10 pfp guys when Pac beat them, of course that is saying he does in fact beat JMM.

[jnuns21]

How? How would he be placed in front of Calzaghe or Floyd? I like Pacman but I don't think you could give him that title yet even if he wins.

[cfizzl3]

I can't see why not.

[King Dan]

Calzaghe will have his shot at #1 when he fights Hppkins, but for now, Joe's resume is just a shade not good enough.

PFP isn't just based on talent.

Pac's resume far exceeds JC's.

[eliqueiros]

Yes, if Calzaghe looses to Hopkins and Floyd does not fight Cotto or looses to Cotto. It would be a more impressive and harder fought win than Floyd's win over little Hatton.

[dangerousity]

I dont get where this Calzaghe is more talented than Pac. Whereas Calzaghes most impressive wins are UD over Lacy & Kessler, Pac anihilates MAB & Morales and if its the case that Pac wins on 15th, JMM too, on top of being a 4 division champ and 3 time lineal champ vs Calzaghes SMW reign.

Its no contest, even now.

[charlievint]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez

I don't know...he' is solid at #2. But a win of JMM is very impressive to say the least and if he completely dominates he might share the #1 spot with Floyd.

Given PACs difficult resume that would scare the very best boxing has ever produced it's logical to give him the #1 spot if he dismantles Juan, but it's hard to move Floyd out of that spot given how well he's done with moving up in weight and still staying undefeated even if he's not fighting the kind of stiff comp that Pac does.

I'd say he'll stay at #2 if he wins and shares the #1 Spot with Floyd should he dominate impressively.

[BigBone]

Either of the Marquez-PacMan and Hopkins-Calzaghe winner becomes P4P#1 on my card if the win is DOMINANT... and Calzaghe has the most chance IMO because he's not only a terrific fighter and a great talent... but he's the only one to match Floyd's undefeated record - and never came close to a defeat... but a dominant 12 round victory or a TKO needed, and no one has ever dominated Hopkins before... not even Jones... so being undefeated and bringing a surprise dominant victory... clear P4P#1 for me even if the other fight produces a dominant victory as well...

Floyd is inactive. He's fighting an old fighter whom he already defeated...

EVERYONE should consider a very dominant winner of the two fights P4P#1, maybe that's the best thing to get back Floyd in the ring against young and quality opposition... He was the best in 2007, no doubts... but proove that in 2008 and not against someone who's bringing 2,35 million PPVs but who's bringing 2,35x more danger for Floyd... that's Miguel Cotto...

[D_knowsboxing]

I dont get where this Calzaghe is more talented than Pac. Whereas Calzaghes most impressive wins are UD over Lacy & Kessler, Pac anihilates MAB & Morales and if its the case that Pac wins on 15th, JMM too, on top of being a 4 division champ and 3 time lineal champ vs Calzaghes SMW reign.

Its no contest, even now.

Maybe its the '0' in calz record that puts him ahead of Pac in the P4P rankings.... Pac did beat MAB & Morales, but both were on the decline when he faced them... Calz reign on top has been 10 yrs or so, don't underappreciate that feat. Both are very impressive.

[charlievint]

How? How would he be placed in front of Calzaghe or Floyd? I like Pacman but I don't think you could give him that title yet even if he wins.

How the hell is Joe up there at #1 or #2?:rofl For beating Lacy and Kessler?:lol:

If the P4P rankings were on skill and talent level alone then YES...absolutely Joe would be up there but P4P includes who a boxer fights, the level of competition and how well one preforms.

Joe preformed well against Lacy and well against Kessler but no one thought either man really stood a chance against Joe.

The win was not only expected for joe in both the Lacy and Kessler fights but KNOWN what the outcome was going to be due to the vast experience, talent and skills.

Pac has beaten and faced guys that are on his level in terms of talent, skill ect....and his fights are more intriguing b/c he isn't fighting guys that no one knows or that he is expected to win handidly. Joe's problem is he doesn't challenge himself and enjoys fighting easy opponets so he can showcase his talent.

[charlievint]

I dont get where this Calzaghe is more talented than Pac. Whereas Calzaghes most impressive wins are UD over Lacy & Kessler, Pac anihilates MAB & Morales and if its the case that Pac wins on 15th, JMM too, on top of being a 4 division champ and 3 time lineal champ vs Calzaghes SMW reign.

Its no contest, even now.

:good Honestly I don't see how anyone can miss this point!

[Decebal]

Whoever wins by dominating the other, as long as one or the other hasn't faded should be recognised as p4p No. 1, I think. The winner, in a close fight, if both perform extremely well, might still be p4p No. 1, because the performance on offer was very high. If the performance from both is not the best and one wins a close fight, even if it is by stoppage, shouldn't be recognised as p4p No. 1, I think.

[BigBone]

Experts following Kessler's career gave a hell of a chance for Mikkel to pull it off... even if everyone thought that Calzaghe will bring his A+ game... the Lacy-like performance... still Kessler looked like a perfect boxing machine with great power and most experts - not us the fans - still think that he beats everyone from 160 to 175 - including Hopkins, Dawson (chin problem), Pavlik, Wright, Miranda, Taylor etc... they, the experts say it, and AFTER Kessler's lost... that how good was Calzaghe's win over Kessler was... and it was a very clear decision, probably the best performance in last year...

I'm not a fan or fellow countryman of any of the two... I'm just agreeing with experts like Rafael, Steward...

[charlievint]

Maybe its the '0' in calz record that puts him ahead of Pac in the P4P rankings.... Pac did beat MAB & Morales, but both were on the decline when he faced them... Calz reign on top has been 10 yrs or so, don't underappreciate that feat. Both are very impressive.

I agree that the "0" is very impressive for Cal and the fact that he's been champ for 10 yrs. But when talking about the P4P rankings "0" don't mean that much. Neither does how long one is champ. Otherwise Darius M would have been on the P4P rankings. Joe deserves to be ranked...when he beats Hop that will be more reason to put him at #2 but he hasn't beaten any great fighters.

A great fighter in JOE beating average or good fighters isn't impressive. Some of the things he does in the ring against guys that are not close to his level are pretty amazing! But the pulling out the "W" is expected. We want to see Joe put himself in an unexpected situation and challenge his talents....to see where his championship heart is. I think it's there but I can't say for sure. The mitchell fight is all I'm going off of to say he does have heart....but againt...Mitchell isnt close to Joe in terms of talent or skill.

[puga_ni_nana]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez

i will consider him if he knockouts marquez or wins in a convincing fashion. i would also consider rating marquez as #1 or 2 if he beats pac impressively. the things is, floyd isn't active this year while pac, marquez, calzaghe and hopkins have all step up the competition.

[D_knowsboxing]

Maybe a change in the P4P rankings would help motivate PBF to stop the BS and get back in the ring with someone who is a player in the boxing scene. So if that be the case, then Pac/Calz for #1!!!

[dangerousity]

Experts following Kessler's career gave a hell of a chance for Mikkel to pull it off... even if everyone thought that Calzaghe will bring his A+ game... the Lacy-like performance... still Kessler looked like a perfect boxing machine with great power and most experts - not us the fans - think that he beats everyone from 160 to 175 - including Hopkins, Dawson (chin problems), Pavlik, Wright, Miranda, Taylor etc... they, the experts say it AFTER Kessler's lost... that how good was Calzaghe's win over Kessler was... and it was a very clear decision, probably the best performance in last year...

I predicted Calzaghe to easily outbox Lacy before the fight. Anyone could tell that any guy with a decent chin and good movement would outbox the guy.

Sure Kessler was good and wasnt a big underdog but guess what, Pac was a huge underdog to MAB and Pac anihilates him much worse than Joe did Mikkel. So going off talents on show, I would go with the guy who anihilates an ATG top of his game vs a guy who UD's a live underdog.

Kessler is a good solid fighter with very solid skills. But nothing about him stands out. Hes not the fastest, not the most powerful and not the most technically skilled. Hes a good solid textbook boxer....much like Soto.

[puga_ni_nana]

Maybe a change in the P4P rankings would help motivate PBF to stop the BS and get back in the ring with someone who is a player in the boxing scene. So if that be the case, then Pac/Calz for #1!!!


thank you for the consideration. it would be for floyd's best interest as well.

[fitzgeraldz]

P4P number 1 no --

we've seen PBF in 5 different weight classes in the last 10 years, fighting in a total of 18 championship fights ... ohh and he's still undefeated. Thats the definition of P4P ... not a guy fighting the same guys 3 times around, then fighting unheard of bums. PacMan just hit the scene with a victory over Barrera in 03. Since then he hasn't captured and championship and hasn't beat anyone in their prime.

I would never dare compare quality of opposition or talent, because Floyd has the upper hand in those departments.

[D_knowsboxing]

I predicted Calzaghe to easily outbox Lacy before the fight. Anyone could tell that any guy with a decent chin and good movement would outbox the guy.

Sure Kessler was good and wasnt a big underdog but guess what, Pac was a huge underdog to MAB and Pac anihilates him much worse than Joe did Mikkel. So going off talents on show, I would go with the guy who anihilates an ATG top of his game vs a guy who UD's a live underdog.

Kessler is a good solid fighter with very solid skills. But nothing about him stands out. Hes not the fastest, not the most powerful and not the most technically skilled. Hes a good solid textbook boxer....much like Soto.

Nothing makes Kessler stand out?!?! What about that huge ass tatoo on the whole side of his body?! That had to hurt:yep

[K0NPHL1C7]

If he stops Marquez, and Mayweather looses to Oscar (or the Big show) then maybe, but until Mayweather get's outpointed or outboxed, he does not reliquish his crown.

[puga_ni_nana]

P4P number 1 no --

we've seen PBF in 5 different weight classes in the last 10 years, fighting in a total of 18 championship fights ... ohh and he's still undefeated. Thats the definition of P4P ... not a guy fighting the same guys 3 times around, then fighting unheard of bums. PacMan just hit the scene with a victory over Barrera in 03. Since then he hasn't captured and championship and hasn't beat anyone in their prime.

I would never dare compare quality of opposition or talent, because Floyd has the upper hand in those departments.


both pac and pbf came from lower weights to get to where are they now. pac from 106 to 130 while pbf from 130 to 147. both are still dominating. both did fight quality oppositions but i would give pac the slight edge for beating great fighters like barrera and morales. floyd is ahead in terms of skills. the difference is now. pac is risking a fight with marquez while floyd is on a vacation.

[fitzgeraldz]

It doesn't matter -- Pacquiao won't beat Marquez ...

I think alot of Pacquiao fans will be hurt once the decision comes out Saturday night.

Pacquiao can't fight going backwards (ineffective punching going backwards)
His money punch is the straight left and I think that Marquez learned his lesson the first time around.

Pacquiao has no defence ... yeah he moves his upper body but thats useless movement. He's not looking to avoid any punches ... oh and his balance is terrible ... its going to look like he's hurt when he's really not.

He's going to show Marquez respect and if he doesn't - you can see him being the one getting knocked out.

[Decebal]

P4P number 1 no --

we've seen PBF in 5 different weight classes in the last 10 years, fighting in a total of 18 championship fights ... ohh and he's still undefeated. Thats the definition of P4P ... not a guy fighting the same guys 3 times around, then fighting unheard of bums. PacMan just hit the scene with a victory over Barrera in 03. Since then he hasn't captured and championship and hasn't beat anyone in their prime.

I would never dare compare quality of opposition or talent, because Floyd has the upper hand in those departments.

PBF lost the first JLC fight...he has also not faced any Top 15 opposition for two years.

To make p4p no. 1 again for sure, after Pacquiao v. JMM, he needs to beat Cotto.

[fitzgeraldz]

both pac and pbf came from lower weights to get to where are they now. pac from 106 to 130 while pbf from 130 to 147. both are still dominating. both did fight quality oppositions but i would give pac the slight edge for beating great fighters like barrera and morales. floyd is ahead in terms of skills. the difference is now. pac is risking a fight with marquez while floyd is on a vacation.

Why are you talking as if you discovered Pacquiao?

I never heard of this guy before he fought Barrera and even then I didn't think he was anything special. Yeah he has strength but he can't box and if you back him up he's nothing ...

If you think that Pacquiao truly deserves a number 1 ranking thats your opinion bro and I respect it.

But you're going to be hearing some I told you so's Sunday morning.

[charlievint]

P4P number 1 no --

we've seen PBF in 5 different weight classes in the last 10 years, fighting in a total of 18 championship fights ... ohh and he's still undefeated. Thats the definition of P4P ... not a guy fighting the same guys 3 times around, then fighting unheard of bums. PacMan just hit the scene with a victory over Barrera in 03. Since then he hasn't captured and championship and hasn't beat anyone in their prime.

I would never dare compare quality of opposition or talent, because Floyd has the upper hand in those departments.

It doesn't really matter if MAB EM or JMM were in their primes or not. B/c all men had an abundance of championship and high comp level experience. PAC came in there pretty GREEN to say the LEAST. ANd he ended up not only beating 3 of the best MEXICAN champions in this era but dominated....aside from JMM. Since 2003 PAC has taken out 2 P4P residents....3 if you want to say JMM after being GIVEN a draw. That alone deserves the #2 spot on the P4P ranks....so can argue the #1 spot due to the LACK of high level comp Floyd has also avoided although not to the extent of Joe C.

[fitzgeraldz]

PBF lost the first JLC fight...he has also not faced any Top 15 opposition for two years.

To make p4p no. 1 again for sure, after Pacquiao v. JMM, he needs to beat Cotto.

What are you talking about?

PBF is 39-0-0 ... his record is perfect and if i'm not mistaken he beat JLC twice.

Hatton was top 5 ranked P4P, undefeated, and is the lineal, universally recognized undisputed light welterweight champion.



You have that wrong Pacquiao's last 5 fights have been questionable.

Jorge Solis (not ranked 10)
Oscar Larios (shot fighter and a bantamweight)
Eric Morales (shot fighter 1-5 in his last 6 fights wasn't ranked top 10)
Marco Antonio Barrera (shot fighter - retired after fight and was coming off a loss to Marquez)

What thats top notch competition?
Yeah maybe in 2000 --

[puga_ni_nana]

Why are you talking as if you discovered Pacquiao?

I never heard of this guy before he fought Barrera and even then I didn't think he was anything special. Yeah he has strength but he can't box and if you back him up he's nothing ...

If you think that Pacquiao truly deserves a number 1 ranking thats your opinion bro and I respect it.

But you're going to be hearing some I told you so's Sunday morning.

i am telling you what pac did because obviously, you underrate his achievements. and you didn't know that he came from flyweight and still doing great in superfeatherweight.

i don't mind if pac loses to marquez. if that happens, i would consider marquez at #1. my point is, floyd is not too active this year and will fight only once. i would not complain if its cotto but i think it would be delahoya2.

[charlievint]

It doesn't matter -- Pacquiao won't beat Marquez ...

I think alot of Pacquiao fans will be hurt once the decision comes out Saturday night.

Pacquiao can't fight going backwards (ineffective punching going backwards)
His money punch is the straight left and I think that Marquez learned his lesson the first time around.

Pacquiao has no defence ... yeah he moves his upper body but thats useless movement. He's not looking to avoid any punches ... oh and his balance is terrible ... its going to look like he's hurt when he's really not.

He's going to show Marquez respect and if he doesn't - you can see him being the one getting knocked out.

You are going to be loosing some dough if you bet the way your post suggests. Look....PAC is not the same fighter you are talking about. The PAC that was cheated out of a win 4 yrs ago against JMM has vastly improved overall.

He's not just the 1-2 punch combo fighter. JMM is still the same counter puncher that PAC meet in 04. He may be a bit more aggressive but he'll still show his same "spots". If PAC is as terrible as you say, then JMM must be some hot garbage b/c the guy that PAC just dominated in MAB not too long ago JMM had a very close competitive bout against.

Given those two preformances it is easy to guage how this fight will play out. But PAC seems to be re-dedicated so it may be a bit more one sided than you can ever imagine. Should be a pretty competitive fight for the 1st few rounds. I think JMM will do well in spots but ultimately gets KO or UD'd in a one sided affair.

[Decebal]

What are you talking about?

PBF is 39-0-0 ... his record is perfect and if i'm not mistaken he beat JLC twice.

Hatton was top 5 ranked P4P, undefeated, and is the lineal, universally recognized undisputed light welterweight champion.



You have that wrong Pacquiao's last 5 fights have been questionable.

Jorge Solis (not ranked 10)
Oscar Larios (shot fighter and a bantamweight)
Eric Morales (shot fighter 1-5 in his last 6 fights wasn't ranked top 10)
Marco Antonio Barrera (shot fighter - retired after fight and was coming off a loss to Marquez)

What thats top notch competition?
Yeah maybe in 2000 --

I know what boxrec says about PBF - but watch the fight! He lost the first one!

Hatton...yeah...just outside p4p Top 15...but he is not a WW; he is a LWW. Mayweather is a WW.

[fitzgeraldz]

I know what boxrec says about PBF - but watch the fight! He lost the first one!

Hatton...yeah...just outside p4p Top 15...but he is not a WW; he is a LWW. Mayweather is a WW.

No son I go by the ring P4P ranking and I don't go by boxrec.com I go by my fight archives.

A real boxing fans goes straight to the footage to see whats real.

[Decebal]

No son I go by the ring P4P ranking and I don't go by boxrec.com I go by my fight archives.

A real boxing fans goes straight to the footage to see whats real.

Sorry...I forgot The Ring read the mind of God...or maybe just took a short-cut by asking George W. Bush, instead. What did The Ring say happened in PBF v. JLC 1?

[Smith]

Yes. Simple. Purely based on him beating JMM.

Through resume more so than talent over Floyd.

Floyds competition over the last 2 years does not mean he should be hook line and sinker #1.

Pac won't beat JMM though, Marquez UD.

[fitzgeraldz]

Nothing, but the tape I have of the fight tells me that JLC took alot of shots and was getting beat to the punch all night.

He had his moments but nothing effective ... If you payed close attention to the fight instead of the commentators then you wouldve seen that Floyd fought a brilliant fight and didn't let anyone control the way he fought.

I had it 116-112 and thats only because Floyd took some rounds off to block and duck punches ... in the championship rounds JLC was done. He was desperate and looking for a miracle.

[Decebal]

Nothing, but the tape I have of the fight tells me that JLC took alot of shots and was getting beat to the punch all night.

He had his moments but nothing effective ... If you payed close attention to the fight instead of the commentators then you wouldve seen that Floyd fought a brilliant fight and didn't let anyone control the way he fought.

I had it 116-112 and thats only because Floyd took some rounds off to block and duck punches ... in the championship rounds JLC was done. He was desperate and looking for a miracle.

I have JLC by 1-2 rounds. In any case, nothing less than a draw.

Anyway, you are not the first to disagree with me, and I am not the first to think JLC won that one...so let's drop it.

[fitzgeraldz]

Yes. Simple. Purely based on him beating JMM.

Through resume more so than talent over Floyd.

Floyds competition over the last 2 years does not mean he should be hook line and sinker #1.

Pac won't beat JMM though, Marquez UD.

Agreed but he's been the undisputed P4P king since he beat Gatti back in 05'

No one has beaten him and I think more than anything he must have a less than stellar performance or a controversal decision. Along w/ Pacquiao having a huge win over Marquez.

Since PBF won his last fight against a top 5 P4P fighter by KO he's fine for now.

Marquez is a legit top 10 P4P guy and a win over him would just solidify his #2 spot.

But like you said brah he won't win ...

[fitzgeraldz]

I have JLC by 1-2 rounds. In any case, nothing less than a draw.

Anyway, you are not the first to disagree with me, and I am not the first to think JLC won that one...so let's drop it.

Cool

I respect your opinion being a boxing fan and would not dispute anything you believe.

[Smith]

Agreed but he's been the undisputed P4P king since he beat Gatti back in 05'

No one has beaten him and I think more than anything he must have a less than stellar performance or a controversal decision. Along w/ Pacquiao having a huge win over Marquez.

Since PBF won his last fight against a top 5 P4P fighter by KO he's fine for now.

Marquez is a legit top 10 P4P guy and a win over him would just solidify his #2 spot.

But like you said brah he won't win ... True, but to me its ludicrous that he was a dead certainty for #1 after Gatti anyway. I mean really, Gatti makes you the #1:-( I'm not knocking Floyds talents because I know he is the best technician in the game, full stop, but the only 2 opponents who stand out to me in the last 2 years are Judah (although coming off a loss), and Oscar (good win because it was 154). Manny is not as skilled as Floyd, or Joe Calzaghe for that matter, but to me, if he beats JMM, who is never mind a top 10P4P but a top 4, you have to go to number 1. I don't envisage it will happen mind, JMM has Mannys number, especially at 130, but for someone who is P4P #2/3 to beat the P4P #3/4 has to take you to number one when you consider the recent resume of the #1, with his most recent a stoppage of the number #8/9 P4P (not top 5!). Of course someone can twist what I have just said by saying that JMM surely has to be crowend the new #1 if he dethrones Manny, and there is a legit case for this. Depends what way you look at it I suppose, I'm just blabbing now.:dead

[tliang1000]

p4p means the ability to dominate peers in your own weight class. So far no one have come close to what Floyd did. He started his career at 130 and has been very dominant throughout his career. Floyd beat a lot of primed fighters at 130 and 135. Decent oppositions at 140 and good oppositions at 147 and beat a much bigger Oscar at 154. He got number 1 locked for a while. Manny is number 2 for he too started his career light but he did lose to a out of prime morales.

[Decebal]

p4p means the ability to dominate peers in your own weight class. So far no one have come close to what Floyd did. He started his career at 130 and has been very dominant throughout his career. Floyd beat a lot of primed fighters at 130 and 135. Decent oppositions at 140 and good oppositions at 147 and beat a much bigger Oscar at 154. He got number 1 locked for a while. Manny is number 2 for he too started his career light but he did lose to a out of prime morales.

The last time PBF beat a Top 15 p4p WW was two years ago - Judah. So he became No.1, yeah. But the winner of Pacquiao v. JMM will most likely do better than that - both are Top 5 p4p. PBF would have to beat Cotto to reclaim the top spot...sorry.

[fitzgeraldz]

p4p means the ability to dominate peers in your own weight class. So far no one have come close to what Floyd did. He started his career at 130 and has been very dominant throughout his career. Floyd beat a lot of primed fighters at 130 and 135. Decent oppositions at 140 and good oppositions at 147 and beat a much bigger Oscar at 154. He got number 1 locked for a while. Manny is number 2 for he too started his career light but he did lose to a out of prime morales.

You're now making up your own definition of what P4P means ... when it comes down to it, its a matter of opinion.

I think P4P means that your talent despite being at a particular division can take you to success in heavier or lighter divisions.

Pacquiao is a P4P great, Marquez, Mayweather, Calzaghe, Hopkins and Cotto.

[fitzgeraldz]

If Floyd beat Judah who was the last top 15 welterweight P4P, then who did Cotto beat?

[Decebal]

If Floyd beat Judah who was the last top 15 welterweight P4P, then who did Cotto beat?

Judah and Mosley...Top 8 p4p, on the back of recent Malignaggi and Quintana victories at LWW.

[D_knowsboxing]

If Floyd beat Judah who was the last top 15 welterweight P4P, then who did Cotto beat?

Uh oh, the hard hitting questions now... He beat Mosley (old) Judah (suspended) Quintana (now a paper champ), Mali (paper champ) Torres (paper champ)... There you go, a perfect set up for ya.

[fitzgeraldz]

Marquez' superior conditioning carried him through 3 knockdowns and a brutally busted nose. He took PacMan 12 after getting knocked down.

His conditioning in the high altitude of 16,000 ft and adjustments made during the first fight will carry him to victory Saturday.

PacMan ... no matter if they work on the right hook or uppercut ... is still going to rely heavily on that jab straight left combo. He might throw a few right hooks here and there but at the end of the day he will abort that and fight his typical way. A leopard doesn't change its spots.

He's a one handed fighter and he's shown that ... I also think that Marquez has more weapons and will use them to confuse Pacquiao.

In the first fight Marquez had Pacquiao confused ... he threw the right hand effectively and threw it many different ways. He fainted the straight right and threw a looping right. He fainted the straight right and threw a right hook to the body.

PacMan showed that he had no answer for the straight right to the body. He favored it during the second half of the first fight which allowed Marquez to get some good shots in.

The straight left jab also is a weapon that PacMan has no answer for ... the left upper cut as Pacquiao is pawing in with the right jab is going to get countered all day.

[fitzgeraldz]

Uh oh, the hard hitting questions now... He beat Mosley (old) Judah (suspended) Quintana (now a paper champ), Mali (paper champ) Torres (paper champ)... There you go, a perfect set up for ya.

So which one of those guys were top 15 at welterweight? which one of those guys were top 15 period?

Mosley didn't beat any top 15 WW since DLH and his most recent victory at WW was Luis Collazo - who was coming off an "L" to Hatton - the same guy who just got knocked out by Mayweather.

[D_knowsboxing]

So which one of those guys were top 15 at welterweight? which one of those guys were top 15 period?

Mosley didn't beat any top 15 WW since DLH and his most recent victory at WW was Luis Collazo - who was coming off an "L" to Hatton - the same guy who just got knocked out by Mayweather.

Should I continue to set up this series of questions or just cut it short....:huh I guess I'll be devil's advocate, Cotto's opponents have gone on to do better things than PBF's. cotto has fought 3 fighters that are current champs compared to PBF's 1. Booyah! IN YOUR FACE! :yep

[Arriba]

If Manny beats JMM then at least IMO he's equal on Floyd's level.

If he were able to defeat Guzman he'd be without question the #1 P4P.

[fitzgeraldz]

Should I continue to set up this series of questions or just cut it short....:huh I guess I'll be devil's advocate, Cotto's opponents have gone on to do better things than PBF's. cotto has fought 3 fighters that are current champs compared to PBF's 1. Booyah! IN YOUR FACE! :yep

Yeah but ... some of the guys that Cotto beat were up and comers. In PBF's defense those guys he beat had belts and he took their belts. In addition to that Floyd beat a few sure fire Hall of Famers.

Hatton still has the lineal title at 140 and has only lost 1 fight. Hatton will beat Malignaggi.

Quintana is a gate keeper and will only beat up and coming guys... just like Cotto he hasn't beaten anyone thats proven.

Torres has a belt that was vacated by Cotto and hasn't beaten anyone signifant.

Compare 3 fighters w/ belts to 18 guys that held belts or were champions at the time they fought PBF.

Booya!!

[fitzgeraldz]

I'm not going to say all who fought PBF had belts but there were more than 3 that were champions at the time he fought them.

DLH, Hernandez, JLC, Gatti, Judah (bullshit) and Baldomir ... Cotto won 2 vacant belts no lineage in that.

[jecxbox]

Manny Pac's level of opposition shits all over Floyd's level of competition. On paper yea Sure Floyd has accomplished more. But the skill level of opponents that Pacquiao has been fighting (back to back to back) > Floyd's level of opposition. I honestly don't care who they put at #1, I'd rather see Pacquiao fight than Floyd. Put it this way If Floyd would have never fought Ricky Hatton I would DEFINITELY put PACQUIAO at #1 without a doubt. If Pacquiao Destroys Marquez then Desroys Guzman I will put him over Floyd. If Floyd takes out Cotto then again toss up. If Pac takes out Marquez/Guzman/Valero and somebody at 135lbs than Floyd could kiss his lb 4 lb "title" good bye.

[Circa]

hell no.. floyd will remain the king.

[Nestea]

Why does fitzgeraldz hates Pacquiao so much?

[fitzgeraldz]

He's one dimensional .... he hasn't proven himself and is really famous for beating 2 shot fighters.

I think that the truth will come out saturday and if not then he gets my respect -- no excuses.

[ku_las]

Absolutely YES he can, that's if JMM will fight toe to toe w/ Pac. But If he will run around like a chicken, Then it will not and it will be a boring fight.

[fitzgeraldz]

Marquez is a counter puncher not a club fighter -- he's technically sound and will come with a good game plan ... you sound like you're setting up excuses for Pacquiao already.

[jecxbox]

He's one dimensional .... he hasn't proven himself and is really famous for beating 2 shot fighters.

I think that the truth will come out saturday and if not then he gets my respect -- no excuses.

Manny Pacquiao is a fantastic boxer. I can't believe how much of a lack of appreciation of boxing skills some of you have. What does it take for some of you to appreciate boxing skills? Does every boxer have to be a Pernell Whitaker? A Floyd Mayweather? A Salvador Sanchez? A Roy Jones???

Give me a break dude, some of you people need to literally taste what this sport is really like so you can get a deep appreciation of what these men have to go through. Manny Pacquiao is SUPERB :deal

[fitzgeraldz]

Why because he's a power puncher and he's entertaining to watch ... if that were the case then this wouldn't be boxing -- it would be UFC.

This is a sport thats built more on skills and ability ... the sweet science --

[jecxbox]

Why because he's a power puncher and he's entertaining to watch ... if that were the case then this wouldn't be boxing -- it would be UFC.

This is a sport thats built more on skills and ability ... the sweet science --

lol..... C'mon bro this sport is about many things...defensive smarts offensive smarts heart chin endurance power speed footwork balance etc etc THE LIST GOES ON AND ON

If you think having power speed endurance ridiculous footwork, doesn't qualify you as a fighter that fights in this sport we call the Sweet Science than you don't know wtf you're saying!!!!

You need a reality check my friend because to downplay the skills and abilities that Manny Pacquiao possesses makes you look very foolish indeed!

[D_knowsboxing]

Manny is offense minded. I know I appreciate that, b/c we will rarely catch a boring fight out of him. He does have power and speed which are keys to success, but does that make him P4P #1? IMO not so much....

[fitzgeraldz]

I didn't say all that I was just saying -- its more to boxing than KO's ...

This sport wasn't built on guys getting KO'd ... guys fought unlimited rounds and had the last guy standing be the victor.

Pacquiao is an entertaining fighter but to compare him to actual boxers are ridiculous.

He can't adjust if he's just a straight forward power puncher w/ one hand.

He can run into a guy who won't back down or that can adjust to whatever Pacquiao brings then he's no different from anyone else, maybe even worse.

He can't fight going backwards and can't seem to throw anything else besides the jab, left hand. To a person who appreciates boxing and knows boxing thats not exciting.

Yeah its a treat to see guys get KO'd but i'd rather see a tacticle chess match w/ an emphasis on fundamentals than guys slugging it out. I like see adjustments and guys digging deep ...

[jecxbox]

I didn't say all that I was just saying -- its more to boxing than KO's ...

This sport wasn't built on guys getting KO'd ... guys fought unlimited rounds and had the last guy standing be the victor.

Pacquiao is an entertaining fighter but to compare him to actual boxers are ridiculous.

He can't adjust if he's just a straight forward power puncher w/ one hand.

He can run into a guy who won't back down or that can adjust to whatever Pacquiao brings then he's no different from anyone else, maybe even worse.

He can't fight going backwards and can't seem to throw anything else besides the jab, left hand. To a person who appreciates boxing and knows boxing thats not exciting.

Yeah its a treat to see guys get KO'd but i'd rather see a tacticle chess match w/ an emphasis on fundamentals than guys slugging it out. I like see adjustments and guys digging deep ...


There is a science to what Manny Pacquiao does and I guess it takes actual boxing experience for some of you to appreciate it. I guess some of you peoples image of a "boxer" is only the likes that fit the immortal boxing geniuses as those that I mentioned before. There are MANY MANY 1 dimensional fighters that can beat the SHIT out of 95% of the competition and to that you downplay as something not special? Man give me a break kid, Pacquiao's level of competition has been unreal, and he has done rather well in them.

[fitzgeraldz]

If you count out Morales and Barrera ... who did Pacquiao beat that was known as a good elite boxing (officially I don't want any opinions on controversy)

[D_knowsboxing]

I think Jecxbox is still a little sour about Favre retiring...And now Fitz is talking bad about Pac. Enough is enough!!! How much can a man take????:yep

[theunderdog]

mayweather will stay at number one until he loses or retires for good

[o_money]

The answer is NO. I can't even believe how close this is. Floyd is the p4p #1 and he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[theunderdog]

and when mayweather beats the big show at mania, pac will never catch up with him unless he beats godzilla

[PacDbest]

Why Not??? PBF already retired & switched to WWE!!!

[tliang1000]

The last time PBF beat a Top 15 p4p WW was two years ago - Judah. So he became No.1, yeah. But the winner of Pacquiao v. JMM will most likely do better than that - both are Top 5 p4p. PBF would have to beat Cotto to reclaim the top spot...sorry.

Carlos Baldomir was ranked number 1, Judah was ranked 3rd when Floyd fought him.

[JAHamilton77]

No, but he would be solidly #2, right on Mayweather's heels.

thats my opinion though, and it would be so close that if someone else put Manny #1 I wouldnt begrudge them for it.

[dodong]

It amazes me to see that a lot of people projecting themselves as boxing intellectuals sees Pacquiao as nothing more than a good fighter.

Critics dismissed his exploits before fighting is the U.S. They forget the he brutally beat the shit out of the champ Ledwaba on less than a month notice. He then beat the crap out of the heavily favored Barrera in their first fight, where he didn't even want to exercise the rematch clause of their contract. He did lost to Morales on their first fight but do you guys remember what he did the their 2nd and 3rd fight. JMM- Pac 1 was a draw, Pac then was willing to settle this business (that draw) but JMM went to hide in the jungle.

[PacDbest]

It amazes me to see that a lot of people projecting themselves as boxing intellectuals sees Pacquiao as nothing more than a good fighter.

Critics dismissed his exploits before fighting is the U.S. They forget the he brutally beat the shit out of the champ Ledwaba on less than a month notice. He then beat the crap out of the heavily favored Barrera in their first fight, where he didn't even want to exercise the rematch clause of their contract. He did lost to Morales on their first fight but do you guys remember what he did the their 2nd and 3rd fight. JMM- Pac 1 was a draw, Pac then was willing to settle this business (that draw) but JMM went to hide in the jungle.

Get used to this underrating of Pac here in ESB. I've been here for a long time. I've heard a lot & I've seen a Lot but the good thing is we Pac fans will keep on Owning them for few more years until Pac retires.:happy :happy

[Decebal]

Carlos Baldomir was ranked number 1, Judah was ranked 3rd when Floyd fought him.

Baldomir was ranked No. 1 what? Surely nothing to do with boxing!

[brooklyn1550]

Yes

[thai-hardhitter972]

Calzaghe will have his shot at #1 when he fights Hppkins, but for now, Joe's resume is just a shade not good enough.

PFP isn't just based on talent.

Pac's resume far exceeds JC's.

Exactly! He could very well be the top P4P fighter based on his resume. He may not be as talented as Floyd, but the level of his competition,if he defeats JMM ( which won't be easy) would be a remarkable acheivement. :bbb

[theunderdog]

It amazes me to see that a lot of people projecting themselves as boxing intellectuals sees Pacquiao as nothing more than a good fighter.

Critics dismissed his exploits before fighting is the U.S. They forget the he brutally beat the shit out of the champ Ledwaba on less than a month notice. He then beat the crap out of the heavily favored Barrera in their first fight, where he didn't even want to exercise the rematch clause of their contract. He did lost to Morales on their first fight but do you guys remember what he did the their 2nd and 3rd fight. JMM- Pac 1 was a draw, Pac then was willing to settle this business (that draw) but JMM went to hide in the jungle.

i think you went a bit off topic there dude. many people here pay respect to pac. sure , there are some haters but that's how boxing goes, no matter how good you are, there will always be people who will think lowly of you. even rjj in his prime had detractors and pac is no different. you can't force everyone to like him.


anyway, do you think that pac deserves the number 1 spot if he beats jmm next week? if yes, then why should he get the spot over floyd?

[tliang1000]

Baldomir was ranked No. 1 what? Surely nothing to do with boxing!

Are you retarded? Baldomir was recognized 147lb champion when he beat Judah who was ranked 1 being undisputed you fool.

[newrp01]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez

Floyd is # 1 p4p, but he's in a superhuman league.
Marquez is #1 P4P among normal fighters.

[ku_las]

Now, I understand why some of you guys don't like manny as p4p#1 in case he beats marquez. It's because he is an ORIENTAL FIGHTER... And no matter how good he is... And that's what we call RACISM...How can you call Floyd the greatest? If he don't like to fight w/ the thought fighters like cotto. He is only after w/ the small guys that he know that he can beat, No matter how manny times they fight... That's what we call a coward.

[TFFP]

Fuck no

[rusticraver]

It's the way calzage beat two young undefeated champions that puts him up there. he was simply magnificent in both those fights.

Pac is great to watch, can bang, but can't box that well and has defeats.

Also the mexicans he has beat, although reat fighters were nearing the end after MANY wars

[dodong]

Unless Mayweather loses, his skills and respectable opposition keeps him in #1.

[theunderdog]

Now, I understand why some of you guys don't like manny as p4p#1 in case he beats marquez. It's because he is an ORIENTAL FIGHTER... And no matter how good he is... And that's what we call RACISM...How can you call Floyd the greatest? If he don't like to fight w/ the thought fighters like cotto. He is only after w/ the small guys that he know that he can beat, No matter how manny times they fight... That's what we call a coward.

please. don't even try to drag race into this. it is a lame excuse. pbf is the best figter p4p in the world right now. the last thing i'd want to do is hate on pac but if you hate on floyd for fighting small guys that he knew he can beat.

let me tell you this, hatton was more of a challenge for pbf that all of pac's last four fights combined. pbf not wanting to fight cotto is like pac not wanting to fight guzman. then yall will say pac doe not want to fight guzman because he does not have a name yet, but when pbf shows he'd rather fight dela hoya again who is obviously a bigger name than cotto, you'd hate on him for not taking the toughest fight out there.

pac will be number one if he deserves it. it does not matter if he's asian or not. i obf slips and pac continues to win, he'll get there.

[PH|LLA]

if he really dominates him and knocks him out then yes.

[Chert]

if he really dominates him and knocks him out then yes.

co-sign.

[randeris]

he is only #3 now, Marquez is #5 or #6 for me so no.

[jecxbox]

I think Jecxbox is still a little sour about Favre retiring...And now Fitz is talking bad about Pac. Enough is enough!!! How much can a man take????:yep

LOL :crying


I got over it!....

But I don't even consider myself a huge Pacquiao fan, I love his fights..But man Anyone has to admit that Pacquiao is something special!!!!

[theunderdog]

he is only #3 now, Marquez is #5 or #6 for me so no.

jc at 2?. may i see yout p4p please? thanks.

[Decebal]

In the end...it doesn't really matter, does it. The winner, if they both perform extremely well will be the best or second best or third best...who cares? One of the very best!

What we should care about is that the fight lives up to our expectations.

And to the people who say: "no way could Mayweather be dethroned...", I say: wouldn't you rather he fought Cotto too? Shouldn't one of the best fighters in the world, whether first or second or third fight his main rival in the division and fellow p4p Top 10 fighter?

Please don't try to demean the importance of Pacquiao v. Marquez or their skills or p4p ranking just to give your boy an excuse for not fighting the fight all fans of boxing want to see!

Personally, I have assumed JMM will beat Pacquiao until the day Pacquiao stepped up to the plate to sign on the dotted line. Now, I look at things objectively and am proud of both and support both. Similarly, I will assume Cotto beats Mayweather until the day, if it ever comes, when Mayweather and Cotto step up to the plate and signs to make the fight. No full respect for Mayweather or Cotto as long as they fight (relative) rubbish like DLH and Gomez and Mayorga - none of whom are even p4p Top 30, DLH actually being a LMW, whom Mayweather beat before!:-( :-( :-(

What the fuck is the point?

[tliang1000]

Now, I understand why some of you guys don't like manny as p4p#1 in case he beats marquez. It's because he is an ORIENTAL FIGHTER... And no matter how good he is... And that's what we call RACISM...How can you call Floyd the greatest? If he don't like to fight w/ the thought fighters like cotto. He is only after w/ the small guys that he know that he can beat, No matter how manny times they fight... That's what we call a coward.

I am Oriental and I still don't think Manny has any business being number 1 p4p above Floyd. Floyd fought all sizes and 5 division WBC champion. The level in Talent is so apparant. Floyd hardly ever got hit, and consistently punishes his opponent. All Manny's biggest wins are all against shop worn prostitutes. Erik came down from 190lbs to fight at a 130lb fight. Get real. Manny is good but he is not that good. Same goes to Marquez.

[Caper]

I am Oriental and I still don't think Manny has any business being number 1 p4p above Floyd. Floyd fought all sizes and 5 division WBC champion. The level in Talent is so apparant. Floyd hardly ever got hit, and consistently punishes his opponent. All Manny's biggest wins are all against shop worn prostitutes. Erik came down from 190lbs to fight at a 130lb fight. Get real. Manny is good but he is not that good. Same goes to Marquez.

I seriously can't stand the p4p rankings list becaue an arguement can be made for nearly half the list as to who is truly number one. Its obvious we all have our own qualifying criteria though I for one feel p4p rankings should combine an even mixture of activity, quality of opposition, dominance in ones division, tenure at a particular level in the rankings....I these things come into play while talent plays a role it should be one of the last categories. I could have penis that glows rainbow bright in the dark but unless I stick it in a hot chick and make her stomach look like a christmas candy cane I have no grounds to prove I'm a great lover. :smoke

[chimba]

Manny Pac's level of opposition shits all over Floyd's level of competition. On paper yea Sure Floyd has accomplished more. But the skill level of opponents that Pacquiao has been fighting (back to back to back) > Floyd's level of opposition. I honestly don't care who they put at #1, I'd rather see Pacquiao fight than Floyd. Put it this way If Floyd would have never fought Ricky Hatton I would DEFINITELY put PACQUIAO at #1 without a doubt. If Pacquiao Destroys Marquez then Desroys Guzman I will put him over Floyd. If Floyd takes out Cotto then again toss up. If Pac takes out Marquez/Guzman/Valero and somebody at 135lbs than Floyd could kiss his lb 4 lb "title" good bye.

Dang, now Im not sure whether you really like PAC or not.. geez:lol:

maybe he can fight them all in a year:lol:

[D_knowsboxing]

Now, I understand why some of you guys don't like manny as p4p#1 in case he beats marquez. It's because he is an ORIENTAL FIGHTER... And no matter how good he is... And that's what we call RACISM...How can you call Floyd the greatest? If he don't like to fight w/ the thought fighters like cotto. He is only after w/ the small guys that he know that he can beat, No matter how manny times they fight... That's what we call a coward.

Oriental??? I thought Oriental was food and culture, and Asian was the RACE of the people... Humm somebody didn't pass social studies... :smoke

[chimba]

Oriental??? I thought Oriental was food and culture, and Asian was the RACE of the people... Humm somebody didn't pass social studies... :smoke

you mean somebody didnt pass Politically correct studies? Because people who lives in the Orient are Orientals. I live in Ontario, Im ontarian, I dont see a big fuss about that. Im Pinoy and still I think its BS

[D_knowsboxing]

you mean somebody didnt pass Politically correct studies? Because people who lives in the Orient are Orientals. I live in Ontario, Im ontarian, I dont see a big fuss about that. Im Pinoy and still I think its BS

Nope..I meant social studies...Can you point to a country called 'Orient' on a map?... I didn't think so... Anyway, you're a canadian 'ontarian' and your avatar is hot so all is forgiven:yep

[PH|LLA]

Nope..I meant social studies...Can you point to a country called 'Orient' on a map?... I didn't think so... Anyway, you're a canadian 'ontarian' and your avatar is hot so all is forgiven:yep
thats cause its a region not a country.

Can you point to a country called Middle East?

Can you point to a country called Latin America?

Can you point to a country called Scandinavia?


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[chimba]

Nope..I meant social studies...Can you point to a country called 'Orient' on a map?... I didn't think so... Anyway, you're a canadian 'ontarian' and your avatar is hot so all is forgiven:yep

Ohh thats Alisson Stokke, the hottest female athlete ever:deal

[chimba]

thats cause its a region not a country.

Can you point to a country called Middle East?

Can you point to a country called Latin America?

Can you point to a country called Scandinavia?


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Good point, thats why Ive asked people if they are middle eastern, scandanavian or "you latino?"

Youll be surprised, they wont get mad:lol:

Pharoah, must be crazy anticipation for the UFC there, we were thinking of going up but $400 a pop, thats just crazy

[D_knowsboxing]

thats cause its a region not a country.

Can you point to a country called Middle East?

Can you point to a country called Latin America?

Can you point to a country called Scandinavia?


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[Only registered and activated users can see links] <---where you are talking about...

[Only registered and activated users can see links] <---Where pac is from...

Totally different places... AND the definition you provided says nothing about the people, it talks about the countries of asia. Do we call Canadians, Americans, and Mexicans: North Americans? not really, but if you wanna get caught in technicalities your right... BTW good edit, b/c I was about to get ya!:yep

[psychopath]

Yes! At Super Feather he should be the man. But in the p4p top 10 list PBF is no 1.

[PH|LLA]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] <---where you are talking about...

fail.

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[D_knowsboxing]

Ohh thats Alisson Stokke, the hottest female athlete ever:deal

you are absolutely correct:good Plus she looks like she can handle a pole...:shock:

[chimba]

you are absolutely correct:good Plus she looks like she can handle a pole...:shock:

Im afraid mines not that long:lol:

[D_knowsboxing]

thats cause its a region not a country.


:nut :huh Oriental Region???

[Symphenyceo]

No...someone is going to have to explain to me what Pac or Jmm has done this past yr for them to have built steam to become #1 p4p..both pretty much has done fuck all in 2007..PBF beat a top 3 JrMw and knocked out the best Jrww and top 8 p4p fighter...so can somebody explain how Pac or Jmm would be #1?

[D_knowsboxing]

Im afraid mines not that long:lol:

:rofl:lol:....:blood is she an college or olympic athlete?

[chimba]

:rofl:lol:....:blood is she an college or olympic athlete?

Freshman at Univ of California Golden Bears...theyre selling a snapshot of her in campus for $60 can you believe that..Shes only 18 or so..if she makes the olympics watch out!

[D_knowsboxing]

Freshman at Univ of California Golden Bears...theyre selling a snapshot of her in campus for $60 can you believe that..Shes only 18 or so..if she makes the olympics watch out!

Just as long as she gets a cut then I guess its ok. I had no idea she was that young! For $60 she better be butt booty naked pole vaulting in that pic!:yep:hey

[hmi]

Why does fitzgeraldz hates Pacquiao so much? Because he is a resurrected name. Just ask psychopath who he is...

[jupzrooni]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez

no. because he just beat an old mexican warrior.. marquez is not in his prime yadayada...:-(

[jupzrooni]

Manny Pacquiao is a fantastic boxer. I can't believe how much of a lack of appreciation of boxing skills some of you have. What does it take for some of you to appreciate boxing skills? Does every boxer have to be a Pernell Whitaker? A Floyd Mayweather? A Salvador Sanchez? A Roy Jones???

Give me a break dude, some of you people need to literally taste what this sport is really like so you can get a deep appreciation of what these men have to go through. Manny Pacquiao is SUPERB :deal

great post:thumbsup

[jupzrooni]

Because he is a resurrected name. Just ask psychopath who he is...

fitzgeraldz is Black, #1 pac hater and

take note:
#1 donaire nuthugger

[1lehudson]

I say yes because although he may not be as talented as Floyd, he has been fighting better guys over the last 4 years.

Marquez, Morales and MAB were all top 10 pfp guys when Pac beat them, of course that is saying he does in fact beat JMM.better fighters or bigger names??? its not the same. Morelas is/was a shot fight in every fight with Pac and he still managed to win one. MAB has been past his best days for years, remember when MAB was going to fight Hamed everyone was saying that it was his last shot, and that he was really done as a top level fighter that was in 2001. Pac didnt win the first fight with JMM, and he lost to Morelas. He was gettin his ass totally handed to him by Sanchez that my friend isnt the stuff that a p4p top guy is made off.

Enterainment value aside Pac isnt a top 5 p4p fighter. Exciting YES. No way in hell does he jump to number 1 in my mind.

[hmi]

Enterainment value aside Pac isnt a top 5 p4p fighter. Exciting YES. No way in hell does he jump to number 1 in my mind. So where is Pac in your P4P rank?

[1lehudson]

great post:thumbsupHe did make a great point..At the same time he said something that should stick out in everyones mind. Does he have to be a Jones Jr, Mayweather, or Whitaker...The answer is YES..If you want to be p4p a big part of that is winning all your fights. Or at least winning the rematches of fights that you lost ala Lewis. Truth is Pac is clearly not a p4p guy he has what 3 loses and two draws that should been loses.

I know that Im sounding like a pac basher but Im really not, I truely like the guy, seems like a great guy that really enjoys boxing and a cool cat to drink a beer with. but he just isnt p4p.

[1lehudson]

So where is Pac in your P4P rank?For me as I stated I think that its VERY important that you win your fights. Or at least win rematches of fights that you lost. Its hard to call someone p4p when there is two of three guys running around the boxing world that whipped his tail.. I actaully meant to put top 3 and not top five cuz I have Pac at number 4. Behind Floyd, Cotto, Cazlaghe.

[enzo]

If PBF beats the BIG SHOW then theres no way in hell pacman gonna be no.1

[kartog]

Floyd's last out is an impressive KO against Hatton, who struggled at 147 before against Collazo. Should it be equivalent to Izzy going up to 130 to fight Pac, and if Pac wins impressively he should be kept #1, assuming he has the top spot?...or something to that effect.

[PacDbest]

Floyd's last out is an impressive KO against Hatton, who struggled at 147 before against Collazo. Should it be equivalent to Izzy going up to 130 to fight Pac, and if Pac wins impressively he should be kept #1, assuming he has the top spot?...or something to that effect.

That's true.

[Toopretty]

Manny Pacman Is P4p #1 If He Beats Jmm Convincgly No Doubt


Coming From A Floyd Fan. No Fucking Way Can Calzaghe Even Be Mentioned. That Is Horse Shit. You Dont Beat Barrera Twice And Morales Twice And Jmm And Not Be P4p #1. Gtfo. Prime Or Not They Are Better Then Anyone Calzaghe As Faced................pound For Motherfucking Pound

[hooligan]

I didn't say all that I was just saying -- its more to boxing than KO's ...

This sport wasn't built on guys getting KO'd ... guys fought unlimited rounds and had the last guy standing be the victor.

Pacquiao is an entertaining fighter but to compare him to actual boxers are ridiculous.

He can't adjust if he's just a straight forward power puncher w/ one hand.

He can run into a guy who won't back down or that can adjust to whatever Pacquiao brings then he's no different from anyone else, maybe even worse.

He can't fight going backwards and can't seem to throw anything else besides the jab, left hand. To a person who appreciates boxing and knows boxing thats not exciting.

Yeah its a treat to see guys get KO'd but i'd rather see a tacticle chess match w/ an emphasis on fundamentals than guys slugging it out. I like see adjustments and guys digging deep ...

are you kidding me?? how can there be a last man standing if both fighters are still standing???

"boxing aint built by guys getting KO'd" my ass...:patsch

[jupzrooni]

It amazes me to see that a lot of people projecting themselves as boxing intellectuals sees Pacquiao as nothing more than a good fighter.

Critics dismissed his exploits before fighting is the U.S. They forget the he brutally beat the shit out of the champ Ledwaba on less than a month notice. He then beat the crap out of the heavily favored Barrera in their first fight, where he didn't even want to exercise the rematch clause of their contract. He did lost to Morales on their first fight but do you guys remember what he did the their 2nd and 3rd fight. JMM- Pac 1 was a draw, Pac then was willing to settle this business (that draw) but JMM went to hide in the jungle.


never mind them.. bunch of idiots are lurking in this site.. the likes of fizgeraldz are a funny bunch:D

[1lehudson]

Manny Pacman Is P4p #1 If He Beats Jmm Convincgly No Doubt


Coming From A Floyd Fan. No Fucking Way Can Calzaghe Even Be Mentioned. That Is Horse Shit. You Dont Beat Barrera Twice And Morales Twice And Jmm And Not Be P4p #1. Gtfo. Prime Or Not They Are Better Then Anyone Calzaghe As Faced................pound For Motherfucking PoundCalzaghe may not have faced as high a level of fighters as Pac....However Pac lost to lesser level guys. Sanchez was a decent fighter, but he was whipp'n Pac a$$, and even thought the fight was stopped because of a cut after the 8th an the fight was ruled a draw pac was getting handled, and no rematch. I have to say because someone will mention if Pac was getting handled then why the draw...Well Sanchez was deducted two points. then there was the so-called draw with JMM.

that could have very easy given pac 5 losses. P4P with 5 losses???? In my mind he has 5 losses. Cazlaghe 0. That why Calzaghe can be mentioned. Im not really sure how anyone could honestly mention Pac as p4p:good

[chimba]

Calzaghe may not have faced as high a level of fighters as Pac....However Pac lost to lesser level guys. Sanchez was a decent fighter, but he was whipp'n Pac a$$, and even thought the fight was stopped because of a cut after the 8th an the fight was ruled a draw pac was getting handled, and no rematch. I have to say because someone will mention if Pac was getting handled then why the draw...Well Sanchez was deducted two points. then there was the so-called draw with JMM.

that could have very easy given pac 5 losses. P4P with 5 losses???? In my mind he has 5 losses. Cazlaghe 0. That why Calzaghe can be mentioned. Im not really sure how anyone could honestly mention Pac as p4p:good

bringing up the sanchez fight lol..
u know why no one mentions that fight?? because only an idiot will do due to a lack of understanding of boxing:lol:
try again!

[Silvermags]

never mind them.. bunch of idiots are lurking in this site.. the likes of fizgeraldz are a funny bunch:D

Ah typical JMM fans coz the fans themselves can't imagine JMM knocking out pac.. the most you can imagine is jmm winning by way of UD or SD.

Jmm punches his opponent so many times but at the end of the fight the opponent is still standing ! You call that impressive!?

[joekirkbycobra]

will Pacman be pound-for-pound best if he stops Marquez
hell yea

[knockout]

No because Floyd accomplish more then Manny.

[Totomabs]

no. because he just beat an old mexican warrior.. marquez is not in his prime yadayada...:-(


good point.:rofl

[Totomabs]

I didn't say all that I was just saying -- its more to boxing than KO's ...

This sport wasn't built on guys getting KO'd ... guys fought unlimited rounds and had the last guy standing be the victor.

Pacquiao is an entertaining fighter but to compare him to actual boxers are ridiculous.

He can't adjust if he's just a straight forward power puncher w/ one hand.

He can run into a guy who won't back down or that can adjust to whatever Pacquiao brings then he's no different from anyone else, maybe even worse.

He can't fight going backwards and can't seem to throw anything else besides the jab, left hand. To a person who appreciates boxing and knows boxing thats not exciting.

Yeah its a treat to see guys get KO'd but i'd rather see a tacticle chess match w/ an emphasis on fundamentals than guys slugging it out. I like see adjustments and guys digging deep ...


oh man... i honestly don't think you're making much sense here..

What tactical chessmatch are you referring to?

and getting ktfo is totally part, if not the beauty, of the boxing sport

and who doesn't get excited in seeing knockout after knockout?

And in case you forgot, there are two types of fighters, a boxer and a slugger...

[Spitfire7]

perhaps. at least a tie with PBF, but until he beats Guzman, Valero, Diaz/Campbell and Hatton, he cannot dislodge that blab Floyd (though i'd love Blabweather out of anyone's p4p top 3...)

[1lehudson]

bringing up the sanchez fight lol..
u know why no one mentions that fight?? because only an idiot will do due to a lack of understanding of boxing:lol:
try again!No one brings it up cuz very few seen it. Not to mention that it was one of Pac worst fights of his career. Sanchez was a shot fighter that was whipp'n Pac a$$. I would like for you to explain my lack of understanding boxing when Pac was getting handled the way he was in that fight??

[boxbox]

id like for him to win a belt in the 135lbs. Yes David Diaz counts because he is a legitimate champion and Morales was just a a wrong fighter to look good with.

[PacDbest]

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PBF Thrown out of the ring By THe Big show, retreats & Crying. Pac is the #1 P4P period.

[hmi]

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PBF Thrown out of the ring By THe Big show, retreats & Crying. Pac is the #1 P4P period. That is not boxing and that was scripted. Try to mellow down bro. You are not paid by Manny to be his handler here. You are just losing your credibility the more you do something like this.

[VIP]

He has a case for #1 definitely if he stops Marquez. I mean where is everyone rating Marquez on their P4P list? Marquez is a top fighter.

[bulakenyo]

You're overdoing it, PacD.

[BewareofDawg]

If PBF beats the BIG SHOW then theres no way in hell pacman gonna be no.1
:deal

[chimba]

No one brings it up cuz very few seen it. Not to mention that it was one of Pac worst fights of his career. Sanchez was a shot fighter that was whipp'n Pac a$$. I would like for you to explain my lack of understanding boxing when Pac was getting handled the way he was in that fight??

No one has seen it???. Pac getting hit in the balls 20 times?? :lol:
Only you will bring that up coz youre "special"
Try Again!

[D_knowsboxing]

if there was a country called "ORIENT" then "ORIENTAL" would be his nationality. i live in the United States of America that means my nationality is "American" not my race , genius.

it's a boxing forum. boxing is what you know. stick with talking about PACman and PBF.

umm do you realize that was my point???:huh If so then :good , If not then someone needs some reading comprehesion.:roll:

[D_knowsboxing]

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since you're so fond of wikipedia.

just read it or shut up about something you know absolutely nothing about.

Apparently reading comprehension is something that you need b/c you are arguing the same points I have made. You must have gone to our fine American public schools.:yep

[Pimp C]

No. PBF just stopped Hatton who was top 10 P4P himself he can't lose his position if Pac stops JMM. Not to mention the whole P4P means who's the best regardless of size and if PBF and Pac were the same size PBF would give Pac a boxing lesson.:deal

[Pimp C]

This is really a dumb topic. What people say here is irrelevant PBF will remain P4P #1 in all the major publications and the recognized #1 boxer in the world regardless if Pac stops JMM in 1 round or not.:deal

[Chert]

let's just see... boxing publications and aficionados aren't exactly high on pbf now especially after his WWE caper.

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Floyd loses his P4P #1 slot if continues to fight guys who aren't either in his division or semi-retired. Still the most skilled fighter out there, but there's no way he keeps the #1 slot by only fighting Oscar this year.

Again, most skilled, but the best fight the best.

[D_knowsboxing]

What PacD said was factual as shown by the video. PBF was thrown out, broke his elbow, cried and ran away. Pac should now be #1.:happy

You can't be serious Sunday. Its WWE, key word entertainment.. Is your smilie you reaching for Pac's nuts?:think

[PacDbest]

You can't be serious Sunday. Its WWE, key word entertainment.. Is your smilie you reaching for Pac's nuts?:think

That's why PBF is out. He's supossed to be Fighting top fighters. What's he's doing in that WWE Crap??? He's supossed to be lining up Cotto & Cintron/Margarito instead.

[randeris]

jc at 2?. may i see yout p4p please? thanks.1. Mayweather
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Manny Pac
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. JMM
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Israel Vasquez
9. David Haye
10. not sure, used to be Juan Diaz.

[dave82]

No, I believe Floyd will remain #1. His skills and accomplishments are slightly ahead of Pacs

[jupzrooni]

What PacD said was factual as shown by the video. PBF was thrown out, broke his elbow, cried and ran away. Pac should now be #1.:happy

fuck floyd.. it was obvious that the broken elbow was 'fake' coz he can't act the shit out .. his face doesn't look like he's in pain. wtf is he doing in wwe?:D

[RafaelGonzal]

Innate ability has got to take a step to the side when you have a guy beating 3 top ten bonafide pound for pound fighters. You have to reward accomplishment. PBF could be doing the same but he isnt, how could you justify leaving him at #1 in lieu of waht Pac has done, Providng he beats Marquez of course.

[Iron Mick Titan]

I won't rank him number 1 no matter what he does against Marquez.Pacquiao was on mayweather's heels at the end of 2006,but mayweather had a much more impressive 2007 than manny dominating dlh and hatton.A tko will put manny back on floyds heels but definately won't put him ahead of floyd

[Nestea]

He won't be p4p #1 even if he wins against JMM or D.Diaz. He needs to compete still against JC and it's only up to Mayweather to give away the spot.