View Full Version : Kendall Grove as a UFC champion at 185
Mike W
07-11-2007, 06:36 PM
i'm thinking that Kendall Grove has a good chance of being the champion of his weight class even though he's not even ranked yet. He stands 6'6. He would have a big height and reach advantage against the other guys of this weight class. I believe the average height for the guys in this weight class is 5'11 or 6 feet.
Anderson Silva is 6'2 and Rich Franklin is 6'1. All Kendall would need to do is learn to sprawl better, keep it a standup fight, and he can knock them out. He's also good with jujitsu
He's a decent fighter, but I don't think he's ready to be champion yet.
Beebs
07-11-2007, 10:00 PM
I thought Ed Herman beat him, and I assume this is a troll thread.
If you are serious, he doesn't need to learn to sprawl better (well he does, but sprawl and strike would not be his ideal strategy), the champion right now woud demolish him on his feet, his best bet would be to become much much better at takedowns and learn to play a more top game oriented Jiu Jitsu game. Nothing against Kendall, you can't really knock the guy, hes a good up and comer. And not to be mean, but how can you not enjoy his fight with Joe Riggs? Yes Kendall was young, yes he is much better now, no I am not doing it to discredit Kendall, but this is just so damn fun to watch
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BewareofDawg
07-11-2007, 10:54 PM
Franklin and Silva would both own him in standup and on the ground. Let's not even get into what Hendo would do to him should he decide to move down for the belt. :patsch
I thought Ed Herman beat him, and I assume this is a troll thread.
If you are serious, he doesn't need to learn to sprawl better (well he does, but sprawl and strike would not be his ideal strategy), the champion right now woud demolish him on his feet, his best bet would be to become much much better at takedowns and learn to play a more top game oriented Jiu Jitsu game. Nothing against Kendall, you can't really knock the guy, hes a good up and comer. And not to be mean, but how can you not enjoy his fight with Joe Riggs? Yes Kendall was young, yes he is much better now, no I am not doing it to discredit Kendall, but this is just so damn fun to watch
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That was a nice fake Joe pulled, look away get your opponent to think you ain't paying attention and BANG!!!!!!, Drop a bomb of an elbow on his face.
Mike W
07-12-2007, 11:02 AM
but what about his height?? He's 6'6. The next tallest guys in this weight class are 6'3, and he beat Kalib Stanes during TUF 3 show.
I think Grove would match up well against Paolo Filho, who is ranked # 2 or 3 in his weight class by many fans. Filho is only 5'8. That would be a huge height and reach advantage for Kendall
Mike W
07-12-2007, 11:07 AM
Franklin and Silva would both own him in standup and on the ground. Let's not even get into what Hendo would do to him should he decide to move down for the belt. :patsch
Kendall trains in Team Punishment. He is still improving. I think he would just learn a few standup submissions like the guillotine choke, and he can beat Henderson. Or he can just use that reach and outsrike his opponents, and win a decision
Dostoevsky
07-12-2007, 11:55 AM
Height can be a disadvantage when your skinny and grappling is invloved.
Height is not an advantage in MMA as it is Boxing.
I think he's improved dramatically, problem is he is prone to takedowns, he doesn't have the best sprawl but he makes up for it with notable flexibility in his legs, I expect to see him catch less wary opponents with traingles..
Thing is, I cant really picture him competing with more skilled fighters like Anderson Silva or Franklin, to beat these guys you really need to be a dynamic fighter, which I don't believe Kendall will ever become. He doesn't shine enough in a single category to overcome the big names, but I would bet he will have a good amount of success, making his way to title shots and eventually losing..
Mike, how do you think he can beat Dan Henderson? Dan is a dynamic wrestler who Kendall has no answers for. Dan Henderson has an extremely good chin, a monster right hand, is a master at takedowns and avoiding submissions. Dan Henderson is the last guy a fighter like Kendall Grove could beat. Rich Franklin poses great well roundedness and is a southpaw, which is still pretty rare in MMA. Kendall hasn't seen a fighter of Rich's calibre and would likely fall victim to southpaw striking tactics.
Silva has a great chin and is an Amazing striker. He cant stand up with Silva, Silva's BJJ is better than Kendalls. He's just outclassed in every category when comparing him to these guys. Height alone isn't going to help much if your a daddy long leg type fighter with decent striking. He just doesn't have enough to keep any of these guys off of him, nor does he have better striking than ANY of the fighters mentioned.
Mike W
07-12-2007, 12:04 PM
Height can be a disadvantage when your skinny and grappling is invloved.
Height is not an advantage in MMA as it is Boxing.
but i heard that height is a disadvantage only when you're overweight. Grove is not an overweight fighter. If he's skinny, he'll be quicker than those short fat/muscular guys. He can improvoe his striking, especially knee strikes. And reach can be an advantage when you're in the top position on the ground
Mike W
07-12-2007, 12:05 PM
I think he's improved dramatically, problem is he is prone to takedowns, he doesn't have the best sprawl but he makes up for it with notable flexibility in his legs, I expect to see him catch less wary opponents with traingles..
Thing is, I cant really picture him competing with more skilled fighters like Anderson Silva or Franklin, to beat these guys you really need to be a dynamic fighter, which I don't believe Kendall will ever become. He doesn't shine enough in a single category to overcome the big names, but I would bet he will have a good amount of success, making his way to title shots and eventually losing..
Mike, how do you think he can beat Dan Henderson? Dan is a dynamic wrestler who Kendall has no answers for. Dan Henderson has an extremely good chin, a monster right hand, is a master at takedowns and avoiding submissions. Dan Henderson is the last guy a fighter like Kendall Grove could beat. Rich Franklin poses great well roundedness and is a southpaw, which is still pretty rare in MMA. Kendall hasn't seen a fighter of Rich's calibre and would likely fall victim to southpaw striking tactics.
Silva has a great chin and is an Amazing striker. He cant stand up with Silva, Silva's BJJ is better than Kendalls. He's just outclassed in every category when comparing him to these guys. Height alone isn't going to help much if your a daddy long leg type fighter with decent striking. He just doesn't have enough to keep any of these guys off of him, nor does he have better striking than ANY of the fighters mentioned.
Grove can beat Henderson like Tim Sylvia beat some of his recent opponents. Use that reach advantage, throw a few punches and jabs, back away, sprawl, and win a decision. He can beat anyone like that with patience
Grove has nothing keeping im up. Sylvia is a tall ogre who isn't easy to take down due to him being a tall fat ass who fought a lot of nobodies. He finally took on a WRESTLER with great takedowns who should be fighting at light heavy and got his ass handed to himself.
Exact same thing would happen if he fought Henderson, except Henderson is a far better striker than Grove, AND is extremely capable of picking Grove up and dropping him on his head. Its hard to sprawl when you have a little spider leg and don't have the punching power to pop the zit of an ingrown hair on someone like Hendersons chin.
Besides, it seems like Henderson is going on to fight light heavy anyhow. Henderson is so strong he would tie those long legs into a bow and knock Grove out with the hair on a knuckle of his right hand.
demzor
07-12-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm waiting for the line to come out for his fight against COTE
I think Cote is going to knock Kendalls block off.
If the line looks nice im gonna bet big on Patrick Cote.
Beebs
07-12-2007, 04:55 PM
Grove can beat Henderson like Tim Sylvia beat some of his recent opponents. Use that reach advantage, throw a few punches and jabs, back away, sprawl, and win a decision. He can beat anyone like that with patience
No, he cant. Shut the fuck up.
Henderson would do very bad things to Grove's health.
scurlaruntings
07-13-2007, 03:45 AM
Grove will NEVER be a champion.His Tito impression is getting really tired and his not half as good as he thinks he is.His only advantages are because his tall and thats it.
alewaboy52
07-13-2007, 03:32 PM
Grove will NEVER be a champion.His Tito impression is getting really tired and his not half as good as he thinks he is.His only advantages are because his tall and thats it.
i hate to agree with you, we really support our local fighters here in hawaii but u are right, hes a decent fighter but i dont think he ha what it takes to be a champ, in fact if you asked me id say he was stupid
scurlaruntings
07-13-2007, 07:18 PM
i hate to agree with you, we really support our local fighters here in hawaii but u are right, hes a decent fighter but i dont think he ha what it takes to be a champ, in fact if you asked me id say he was stupidHis fucking annoying to be frank.The guy is blessed with being a very tall and rangy middleweight who could make some noise if he didnt take himself sooooo seriously.His takedown defense is torrid and his striking isnt that much better either.His BJJ on the floor is ok but to be honest he doesnt do anything exceptionally well.Riggs KO`ed him and Ramirez handled him with ease.The only reason his ever made it is because of the TUF shows.
Mike W
11-15-2007, 04:38 PM
Kendall Grove could beat Paolo Filho at least
rydersonthestorm
11-15-2007, 04:44 PM
Kendall Grove could beat Paolo Filho at least
Your fucking insane paul filho would take him down and snap one of his scrawny limbs off.
demzor
11-15-2007, 05:21 PM
I'm waiting for the line to come out for his fight against COTE
I think Cote is going to knock Kendalls block off.
If the line looks nice im gonna bet big on Patrick Cote.
Told you guys :thumbsup
trac209
11-16-2007, 08:05 PM
Grove will NEVER be a champion.His Tito impression is getting really tired and his not half as good as he thinks he is.His only advantages are because his tall and thats it.I agree the fucking guy is a tool
radianttwilight
11-16-2007, 09:44 PM
Being a 6'6 185lber isn't really as much as an advantage.
The difference between Grove and a guy like Sylvia is that Grove is skinny for his weight class, Sylvia is not.
Grove is a 6'6 185lber fighting 6'0 185lbers, Sylvia is a 6'8 ~285lber that drains to 265 to fight 220lbers. Sylvia has both a height AND weight advantage over most of his opponents, so he's a total ogre in the octagon. Grove, on the other hand, has the height/reach but is prone to being overpowered by a shorter, stronger opponent.
Sprawl and brawl really isn't as effective at the lower weight classes, especially for really tall guys. Taller fighters lack the explosiveness to stay out of the takedown/grappling game, even if they do have the range to sprawl out nice. Look at Liddell - his sprawl game works because he's fairly compact for a LHW, not because he's a beanpole that can stretch out.
Tall, thin fighters that try to sprawl as their main gameplan tend to get manhandled when they fight a guy like Henderson.
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