For those really slow Fraud Grouies. . .

[Ramshall1]

Fraud left money on the table to avoid AM.

Arums offer was a one fight deal, meaning he could have signed the DLH fight as a free agent (assuming he beats AM).

Goosen's deal was not a one fight deal - he overpaid for the Baldy fight and in turn he got a cut of the DLH purse - that cut was the price Fraud paid to duck AM.

[Ramshall1]

. . . .and they scatter like roaches. :)

[Ramshall1]

the sound of crickets is the sound of Fraud Groupies running from the truth.

[kg0208]

Fraud left money on the table to avoid AM.

Arums offer was a one fight deal, meaning he could have signed the DLH fight as a free agent (assuming he beats AM).

Goosen's deal was not a one fight deal - he overpaid for the Baldy fight and in turn he got a cut of the DLH purse - that cut was the price Fraud paid to duck AM.

Was Arums offer going to allow PBF the chance to fight for the WW title or not? Yes or no.

[Ramshall1]

Was Arums offer going to allow PBF the chance to fight for the WW title or not? Yes or no.

"If it makes dollars it makes sense" - Frauds motto not mine.

his motto has never been "I'll leave money on the table for the linear title" - probably why he fought Gatti for the money instead of Tszu for the title.

[BigReg]

As a Floyd fan I personally don't give a shit if Floyd ducked Margarito. Fighters duck other fighters all the time. Bowe publicly ducked Lewis, Oscar ducked Winky, Leonard ducked Pryor, and for years ducked Hagler. At the end of the day, Floyd is still the p4p champ, he can get a fight with whoever he wants, and he is one most well known, as well as one of the top earners in the sport. Meanwhile Margarito is stuck fighting for a fraction of what Floyd makes, and doesn't have much control over his career. Now I like Margarito, and I wouldn't mind if Floyd threw him a bone and gave him a fight so he could get some exposure, and not have to keep takeing punishment for relative table scraps. However, I'm not going to lose any sleep if it doesn't happen, and I'm not going to get bent out of shape because a few Margarito fans wanna dig up flimsy evidence proving that Floyd ducked Margarito.

[PBF P4P #1]

26 mill against an all time great or an 8 mill that nobody knew where the hell it was going to come from against a club fighter with a belt? hmmmm

[kg0208]

"If it makes dollars it makes sense" - Frauds motto not mine.

his motto has never been "I'll leave money on the table for the linear title" - probably why he fought Gatti for the money instead of Tszu for the title.

He also fights for titles.

And as for your last comment about KT...stop. I already proved this theory entirely wrong. It was impossible for PBF to have made a fight with KT. You can say he ducked Vivian Harris, but not KT. KT was inactive and stripped. He had to fight Mitchell to regain his title. Hatton was already in place as his mandatory when he won the titles back. His own team made the fight with Hatton without taking into account KT's wishes. So don't go down that road.

[Wilhelm]

the sound of crickets is the sound of Fraud Groupies running from the truth.

You seem to expect people to respond quickly to another fucking retarded troll thread? Why?

[Ramshall1]

26 mill against an all time great or an 8 mill that nobody knew where the hell it was going to come from against a club fighter with a belt? hmmmm

the choice was not between DLH and AM. :patsch

[Ramshall1]

He also fights for titles.

And as for your last comment about KT...stop. I already proved this theory entirely wrong. It was impossible for PBF to have made a fight with KT. You can say he ducked Vivian Harris, but not KT. KT was inactive and stripped. He had to fight Mitchell to regain his title. Hatton was already in place as his mandatory when he won the titles back. His own team made the fight with Hatton without taking into account KT's wishes. So don't go down that road.

wasnt KT the Ring Mag linear champ? . . . if he cares so much about the most "prestigious" titles.

[Ramshall1]

Yeah we're the slow ones yet you can't even spell 'groupies' in the thread title.
Fuckin moron. :lol:

you got me there, I didnt spell a word exactly right. I guess that means Fraud didnt duck AM, inspite of all the evidence that proves otherwise.
:roll: :patsch

[kg0208]

wasnt KT the Ring Mag linear champ? . . . if he cares so much about the most "prestigious" titles.

Yes, one who was hurt and upon returning signed to fight Mitchell who was the IBF interim champion and his mandatory before he got hurt. So PBF could not fight him then, KT made the decision to get his belt back. Hatton meanwhile became the mandatory challenger for the winner before the fight even took place. So again, PBF could not fight him.

We all know PBF tried to get a fight with Hatton after the fact and was turned down 2 times.

[PBF P4P #1]

I think Floyd should fight 4 fucking people at once because no matter who he fights he is ducking someone and is a big puss.

[PBF P4P #1]

Just fight one of the elite fighters next, that's all I'm saying.

DLH is not elite?

Over half the people on here would pick DLH over Margo or Hatton right now wouldn't they?

[PBF P4P #1]

If he fights Hatton next that would put his last four at...

Hatton RING 140 champ
DLH WBC 154 champ
Baldomir RING 147 champ
Judah IBF(bullshit belt yes) former undisputed 147 champ

Guess he is just lining the bums up

[Ramshall1]

Yes, one who was hurt and upon returning signed to fight Mitchell who was the IBF interim champion and his mandatory before he got hurt. So PBF could not fight him then, KT made the decision to get his belt back. Hatton meanwhile became the mandatory challenger for the winner before the fight even took place. So again, PBF could not fight him.

We all know PBF tried to get a fight with Hatton after the fact and was turned down 2 times.

I agree that Hatton didnt want to fight hime then . .. but at least he crossed the pond to set it up down the line.

[Ramshall1]

DLH is not elite?

Over half the people on here would pick DLH over Margo or Hatton right now wouldn't they?

DLH over Hatton, probably
Not over Margarito. . . In his prime yes, but not at this point. He's a past prime, part time boxer. . . more interested in promoting it seems.

[BigReg]

DLH over Hatton, probably
Not over Margarito. . . In his prime yes, but not at this point. He's a past prime, part time boxer. . . more interested in promoting it seems.

Margarito wouldn't beat De La Hoya. Margarito isn't a highly skilled boxer, but he's relentless and eventually wears down his opponents. Being that he's an almost 6 foot WW, he's bigger than most of his opponents and can over power them. Oscar is a bigger guy than Margarito and is much more skilled. Oscar has only been stopped once(by a bigger Hopkins). Margarito wouldn't KO Oscar and definately wouldn't decision him.

[PBF P4P #1]

But De La Hoya is a past-his-prime fighter and doesn't even fight full time. Margo, Mosley, and Cotto are in their primes and fulltime fighters.

But even past his prime he would beat the majority of the fighters listed that people want to fight PBF

[PBF P4P #1]

Margarito wouldn't beat De La Hoya. Margarito isn't a highly skilled boxer, but he's relentless and eventually wears down his opponents. Being that he's an almost 6 foot WW, he's bigger than most of his opponents and can over power them. Oscar is a bigger guy than Margarito and is much more skilled. Oscar has only been stopped once(by a bigger Hopkins). Margarito wouldn't KO Oscar and definately wouldn't decision him.

thank you

[1lehudson]

Just fight one of the elite fighters next, that's all I'm saying.If you dont think that ODLH is an elite fighter then I say start a poll asking who wins a fight between Oscar/Cotto, Oscar/Shane, Oscar Margo, and I bet you that Oscar would lead every oneof those polls. Including that with Shane who has already beat him twice.

[1lehudson]

But De La Hoya is a past-his-prime fighter and doesn't even fight full time. Margo, Mosley, and Cotto are in their primes and fulltime fighters.Mosley is older then Oscar, how in the fuk is he still in his prime??? This is what makes so many of you Floyd bashers look soooo bad. Stupid comments like that.

[1lehudson]

Fraud left money on the table to avoid AM.

Arums offer was a one fight deal, meaning he could have signed the DLH fight as a free agent (assuming he beats AM).

Goosen's deal was not a one fight deal - he overpaid for the Baldy fight and in turn he got a cut of the DLH purse - that cut was the price Fraud paid to duck AM.Yeah he avoided him by sending him a contract. A fight in which he turned down with Arum stating that he needed Tony to full a lame ass PPV card that had tony fighting a 10 loss fighter. It was only after Floyd and Oscar started talks that Arum came back with an offer, that I highly doubt was a real offer anyways. Question is were the fuk was Arum going to generate the 15 million for this fight??? Tony's ppv did 19,000 fuking buys only a third of the buys as what was once known as the poorest ppv card of all times with 42 year old Camacho and 50 year old Duran back in 2001.

Margo has no fan base, no major network deal, no sponsers. Yet Arum whats us to believe that a fight with him could generate 15 million???

[BigReg]

Mosley is older then Oscar, how in the fuk is he still in his prime??? This is what makes so many of you Floyd bashers look soooo bad. Stupid comments like that.

A fighters prime is dependant on more than just his age. Every fighter will have a different prime. Tyson was past his prime in his early 20's, and Morales is past his prime at 29. On the flip side, Winky is still in his prime at 35, and B-Hop was in his prime at age 40.

[1lehudson]

A fighters prime is dependant on more than just his age. Every fighter will have a different prime. Tyson was past his prime in his early 20's, and Morales is past his prime at 29. On the flip side, Winky is still in his prime at 35, and B-Hop was in his prime at age 40.OMMM no. You prime is about the same for every person that has ever walked the planet. The difference is when you fight certain fighters. Hopkins isnt close to being as good as he was in his late 20's right now. The thing is most of you cats a) didnt know who he was b) didnt care about who he was. Hopkins was a awesome fighter from day one. Morales got his ass to high in weight and started fighting bigger stronger fighters. Winky was always good, its just that the likes of Oscar, Tito, and so wouldnt fight the guy. Its not that he is in his prime now, its just that he is finally getting his shots at the big fights.

[BigReg]

OMMM no. You prime is about the same for every person that has ever walked the planet. The difference is when you fight certain fighters. Hopkins isnt close to being as good as he was in his late 20's right now. The thing is most of you cats a) didnt know who he was b) didnt care about who he was. Hopkins was a awesome fighter from day one. Morales got his ass to high in weight and started fighting bigger stronger fighters. Winky was always good, its just that the likes of Oscar, Tito, and so wouldnt fight the guy. Its not that he is in his prime now, its just that he is finally getting his shots at the big fights.

"The period or phase of ideal or peak condition"

Basic def. of prime. Being that everyone's body is different and every fighter starts fighting at different ages, and has different learning curves, suffer different injuries, and fight different styles, it's impossible to say that they are all in ideal condition at around the same age. Let's say one fighter starts fighting at age 22 and one starts fighting at age 15. It's safe to say both fighters will enter their respective primes at different ages. Let's also say that the younger fighter is a wreckless brawler and the older fighter is a defensive specialist. Being that the one fighter started fighting at a older age, and takes less punishment, there's a good possibility that he will still be in his prime at a later age

[1lehudson]

"The period or phase of ideal or peak condition"

Basic def. of prime. Being that everyone's body is different and every fighter starts fighting at different ages, and has different learning curves, suffer different injuries, and fight different styles, it's impossible to say that they are all in ideal condition at around the same age. Let's say one fighter starts fighting at age 22 and one starts fighting at age 15. It's safe to say both fighters will enter their respective primes at different ages. Let's also say that the younger fighter is a wreckless brawler and the older fighter is a defensive specialist. Being that the one fighter started fighting at a older age, and takes less punishment, there's a good possibility that he will still be in his prime at a later agedude your physical prime doesnt change, like i said its about the same for every man that has walked the planet. There is a point in which you have reach the apex of your physical ability, and that age is from 27 to 32. After that your body begins to decline. As far as saying Hopkins is in his prime at 40 as opposed to 28 or so is reaching. Hopkins was the same fighter style wise then as he is now. The difference between now and then is NOW he is getting fights with big name fighters, and he dont throw as many punches. As far as fighters being shot at an early age...It has very little to do with physical ability, its a lack of want/desire.

Yes you have a point about someone starting later then other so in theory the fighter that started first would reach his prime earlier...On the surface that sounds good. The only problem is at 23 or 24 your not in your physical prime.

[justaboxingfan]

Its always easiest to critisize the guy on top. look at RJJ when he was P4P, everyone thought his comp sucked while know a days we consider him one of the greatest, even Lewis is getting more credit as the years go by. Shit, Liston didn't start getting credit until the guy died unexpectedly. You can always find something wrong with anyone; he should've fought that guy, i can't believe he didn't knock his out, he was way past his prime etc etc etc, its how you decide to think about it. Try focusing on the positives, its a lot easier to do.