So Many Haters, So Few Bullets, PBF P4P Get Over It

[Doggie03]

This ma be my first post, but I do read the posts from tme to time see what people think

First, as a huge Mayweather fan, I have to say I was dissapointed when he wouldn't fight Cotto after the Zab fight.

Everyone saying that Floyd is a boring fighter are only basing it on his last 2 fights. The Oscar fight wasn't boring, and many people think the same. It just didn't live up to the hype, and no other fight could. As for him dancing around the ring against him, did anyone notice that Oscar looked 20 pounds heavier than him, and probably was. No one fight toe-to-toe the whole time against that.

Has anyone ever seen his past fights to make this, floyd is boring, rationalization.

G. Hernandez - 130 pound champ, and undefeated at that weight. one of the best to fight in that division. Floyd beat him mercifully.

A. Manfredy - Also a huge threat in that weight class, 2nd round TKO.

E. Burton - Maybe not the best, but very tough. Fought him toe-to-toe the whole way.

D. Corrales(RIP) - The favorite in the fight, knocked him down 5 times.

P. Ndou - 31 wins, 30 kockouts, toe-to-toe the whole way, 7th round knockout.

D. Corley - Solid fighter, again, toe-to-toe the whole way, 2 knockdowns, easy win.

A. Gatti - I won't even go into this one

Z. Judah - one time undisputed champ. Wasn't dancing around him all night. In fact, he was walking him down all night whoopin his arse.

Sorry to say that, unfortunately, boxing is also a business. Now he's fighting Hatton, and that's a solid. Before everyone was saying he is ducking Hatton, and now that he is fighting Hatton, everyone is saying he's ducking Cotto and Margarito. Make up your mind, or stop hating.

Hatton would bring in the most money. Hatton is ranked #8 P4P, while Cotto is 10 and Marg...lol. Why would he fight Margarito, WHO THE FLOCK IS MARGARITO!!! He is an unkown fighter that no one would pay to see. Let him fight a quality fighter, and someone who is actually a someone in the sport, and then maybe he will get his chance, and I'm not talking about Paul Williams either, he's also a no name.

As far as Cotto, let him fight another quality opponent and get his name out there, he's pretty much only known in the PR scene. Hatton beat Zoo, and Castillo, and they were both quality fighters, and now has his name out there, not to mention the fanatics in Ireland, which 13,000 people traveled to Vegas to see this fight. This fight would sell out easily.

Ok, Bring on the arguments

[buddynabuick]

This ma be my first post, but I do read the posts from tme to time see what people think

First, as a huge Mayweather fan, I have to say I was dissapointed when he wouldn't fight Cotto after the Zab fight.

Everyone saying that Floyd is a boring fighter are only basing it on his last 2 fights. The Oscar fight wasn't boring, and many people think the same. It just didn't live up to the hype, and no other fight could. As for him dancing around the ring against him, did anyone notice that Oscar looked 20 pounds heavier than him, and probably was. No one fight toe-to-toe the whole time against that.

Has anyone ever seen his past fights to make this, floyd is boring, rationalization.

G. Hernandez - 130 pound champ, and undefeated at that weight. one of the best to fight in that division. Floyd beat him mercifully.

A. Manfredy - Also a huge threat in that weight class, 2nd round TKO.

E. Burton - Maybe not the best, but very tough. Fought him toe-to-toe the whole way.

D. Corrales(RIP) - The favorite in the fight, knocked him down 5 times.

P. Ndou - 31 wins, 30 kockouts, toe-to-toe the whole way, 7th round knockout.

D. Corley - Solid fighter, again, toe-to-toe the whole way, 2 knockdowns, easy win.

A. Gatti - I won't even go into this one

Z. Judah - one time undisputed champ. Wasn't dancing around him all night. In fact, he was walking him down all night whoopin his arse.

Sorry to say that, unfortunately, boxing is also a business. Now he's fighting Hatton, and that's a solid. Before everyone was saying he is ducking Hatton, and now that he is fighting Hatton, everyone is saying he's ducking Cotto and Margarito. Make up your mind, or stop hating.

Hatton would bring in the most money. Hatton is ranked #8 P4P, while Cotto is 10 and Marg...lol. Why would he fight Margarito, WHO THE FLOCK IS MARGARITO!!! He is an unkown fighter that no one would pay to see. Let him fight a quality fighter, and someone who is actually a someone in the sport, and then maybe he will get his chance, and I'm not talking about Paul Williams either, he's also a no name.

As far as Cotto, let him fight another quality opponent and get his name out there, he's pretty much only known in the PR scene. Hatton beat Zoo, and Castillo, and they were both quality fighters, and now has his name out there, not to mention the fanatics in Ireland, which 13,000 people traveled to Vegas to see this fight. This fight would sell out easily.

Ok, Bring on the arguments

KoByBriggs..............is that you?:lol: That was actually a well thought out post. wellcome aboard. No argument from my end,but i'm sure someone will call you a nuthugger or even worse.................a FAG.

[DoumB]

we all no this shit, but now hes boring, below 147 he was awsome to watch but for some, he is no longer

[mightyd40]

i dont like mayweather but i am a pretty reasonable thinking fan and i agree with most of your arguments

[justaboxingfan]

Welcome to ESB. I'm a fan of the "sweet science" so naturally I'm a big Floyd fan as well. You'll find there are many 'fight' fans who rather enjoy watching two guys hitting each other constantly than enjoy a good boxing match. It's all good whatever your preference is, just ignore the idiots, youll get a feel for who is who:deal

[Doggie03]

Well, thanks to all welcoming me to the board

[jonesjrp4p1]

i agree with all your arguments especially about marg and not just because im a pbf fan

[acb]

Welcome to ESB. I'm a fan of the "sweet science" so naturally I'm a big Floyd fan as well. You'll find there are many 'fight' fans who rather enjoy watching two guys hitting each other constantly than enjoy a good boxing match. It's all good whatever your preference is, just ignore the idiots, youll get a feel for who is who:deal

Here we go again with this nonsense that you have to like a certain fight style to be a fight fan. Floyd fans love to polarize boxing, either you love Floyds fight style or you love to watch crude brawlers.

Blah, blah, blah, b.s., b.s., b.s.

I have nothing for Floyd, and I enjoy the whole spectrum of fight styles, ALL OF THEM. So I guess in your eyes Im not a boxing fan. :-( :huh :nut

[justaboxingfan]

Being a boxer or a brawler or whatever the fuck style people want to see. Ring Magazine says hes number 1 , then he's number one. Like the threadstarter stated, he didnt get there for no reason.

Who does people want to determine whos number 1, ESB posters??? dont think so

:patsch I don't think you understood my point. Some people here don't like Floyds style of fighting hence they would rather see a P4P champ who likes to get in and mix it up (Pac, Cotto) Don't get me wrong, Floyd is the best boxer today

[justaboxingfan]

Here we go again with this nonsense that you have to like a certain fight style to be a fight fan. Floyd fans love to polarize boxing, either you love Floyds fight style or you love to watch crude brawlers.

Blah, blah, blah, b.s., b.s., b.s.

I have nothing for Floyd, and I enjoy the whole spectrum of fight styles, ALL OF THEM. So I guess in your eyes Im not a boxing fan. :-( :huh :nut

I don't care what style you like, I rather see a boxing clinic than an all out brawl, hence this is why I am a Floyd Mayweather fan.

[acb]

:patsch I don't think you understood my point. Some people here don't like Floyds style of fighting hence they would rather see a P4P champ who likes to get in and mix it up (Pac, Cotto) Don't get me wrong, Floyd is the best boxer today

No dont try this now. What your saying now doesnt match what you said before.

You'll find there are many 'fight' fans who rather enjoy watching two guys hitting each other constantly than enjoy a good boxing match.

[acb]

I don't care what style you like, I rather see a boxing clinic than an all out brawl, hence this is why I am a Floyd Mayweather fan.

Yes and I could really care less what you like either. Thats not the issue, the issue is your arguement that to be a real fight fan you have to like the way Floyd fights. You can be a real fight fan and like any style, period. It doesnt make you a less intelligent or knowledgable fan whatsoever.

[bigtime9]

It doesnt make you a less intelligent or knowledgable fan whatsoever.

what are you doing in a floyd appreciation thread:nut

[Ramshall1]

hmm lets see

would most fans rather see Corrales vs Castillo

or FMJ vs Spinks?

[Doggie03]

hmm lets see

would most fans rather see Corrales vs Castillo

or FMJ vs Spinks?

When was that fight made? Let me know, cause I'd like to watch it.

[Ramshall1]

When was that fight made? Let me know, cause I'd like to watch it.

when the entire country needs a cure for insomnia.

[jonesjrp4p1]

hmm lets see

would most fans rather see Corrales vs Castillo

or FMJ vs Spinks?

haha c vs c but i love watching boxing clinics too like fmj vs corrales gatti

[acb]

what are you doing in a floyd appreciation thread:nut

:nut

[Doggie03]

when the entire country needs a cure for insomnia.

That doesn't make any sense, they're not fighting.
That's like saying who would you rather watch, Klitchko Vs. Lewis, or Jermaine Taylor Vs. Jose Santa Cruz. The fight will never happen.

Plus the fight wouldn't be boring. Styles make fights. Spinks isn't bigger than Floyd by 20 pounds, so he'd be beat senseless, like he did Gatti

[DoumB]

Welcome to ESB. I'm a fan of the "sweet science" so naturally I'm a big Floyd fan as well. You'll find there are many 'fight' fans who rather enjoy watching two guys hitting each other constantly than enjoy a good boxing match. It's all good whatever your preference is, just ignore the idiots, youll get a feel for who is who:deal

wow just stfu with your« I am a fan of the sweet science so naturaly I like floyd» u clearly no nothing if u think this statement makes sence, I have fellow boxer training at my gym that HATE floyd mayweather style and they know more then I do on this sport, fighting like that is great, but not every boxing fan enjoy a safty first fighter.

[DatBo215]

I respect floyd for decisively beating most people he steps in the ring with, but there is a fine line between the "sweet science" and running. I do consider myself a boxing fan, but i like to watch fights when people FIGHT. Yea he's good at what he does, and he does win, but he doesn't fight. And i know all his fans are going to say i don't know good boxing or whatever, but i like to see fights when people fight. He is boring...effective, but boring.

[Doggie03]

I respect floyd for decisively beating most people he steps in the ring with, but there is a fine line between the "sweet science" and running. I do consider myself a boxing fan, but i like to watch fights when people FIGHT. Yea he's good at what he does, and he does win, but he doesn't fight. And i know all his fans are going to say i don't know good boxing or whatever, but i like to see fights when people fight. He is boring...effective, but boring.

But that's what I'm trying to point out. Your're baseing that on his past 2 fights, when the fighters were much bigger than he was. Oscar looked 20 pounds heavier than he did. but before that, he was whopping ass, and he was fighting

[C Money]

Dont have to like PBF to respect him but CANNOT do that, until he fights the best opp, something he hasnt done in ANY division he's been in. He has the opportunity to make up most of that ground at 47, if he so chooses, it's time for his legacy to be defined and a huge waste if the attempt isnt made.

As for style?? He's a boxer and there will always be diffrent style's. Greatness is defined by victories over quality opposition of various styles. I care less about style than I do about a championship attitude.

To this point, Floyds been lacking:good

[buddynabuick]

But that's what I'm trying to point out. Your're baseing that on his past 2 fights, when the fighters were much bigger than he was. Oscar looked 20 pounds heavier than he did. but before that, he was whopping ass, and he was fighting


You make a good point Dog, but i think it has already been pointed out in those terms. But a good point is well worth repeating:good

[C Money]

You make a good point Dog, but i think it has already been pointed out in those terms. But a good point is well worth repeating:good

No one made PBf move up in weight, that was his own doing and we allknow he aint no 54 fighter. He did that for the DLH payday and is now at 47 again. If he's concerned about size??? fight Hatton at 40:lol:

[Doggie03]

Dont have to like PBF to respect him but CANNOT do that, until he fights the best opp, something he hasnt done in ANY division he's been in. He has the opportunity to make up most of that ground at 47, if he so chooses, it's time for his legacy to be defined and a huge waste if the attempt isnt made.

As for style?? He's a boxer and there will always be diffrent style's. Greatness is defined by victories over quality opposition of various styles. I care less about style than I do about a championship attitude.

To this point, Floyds been lacking:good

He has fought quality. Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo...and Oscar wasn't quality. Not just for the payday, he's been calling him out since he was at 135

[Doggie03]

No one made PBf move up in weight, that was his own doing and we allknow he aint no 54 fighter. He did that for the DLH payday and is now at 47 again. If he's concerned about size??? fight Hatton at 40:lol:

No, he's not a 54 pounder, but he's wanted DLH all his career, so he made that sacrifice to fight him. but now he's a 147, and Hatton can bump up to 147 like he did in the past.

[C Money]

He has fought quality. Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, Castillo...and Oscar wasn't quality. Not just for the payday, he's been calling him out since he was at 135


Dude, take Manteddy out of that equation, he's a turd. Replace that with Judah and you have the five best opponents on his record.

The problem is, Floyd's avoided tougher opposition at every weight

30 Casamayor

35 Spadafora(who beat floyd bad in the gym)

40 Hatton/Tszyu

47 Margarito/SSM/Cotto

Floyd has cherry picked his way through every division, now he can put an end to that shit and make up for it at 47, if he so chooses. I hope for him, his fans, and the sport that he has the balls to do it.

If you dont know, I cant stand PBF, but can respect ACTIONS. Still wouldnt like him, but would have proper respect if he does and even if he LOSES.

[C Money]

No, he's not a 54 pounder, but he's wanted DLH all his career, so he made that sacrifice to fight him. but now he's a 147, and Hatton can bump up to 147 like he did in the past.

25 mil is hardly a sacrifice:lol: It was also another title in another weight class, which floyd loves to talk about. Still not a real championship as floyds had only two of those at 30 and 47. We are awaiting PBF's first defense of that 47 title.

I dont care what weight he fights Hatton at, though it should have happened at 40 since Hatton was CHAMP and Floyd wasnt:good Size wont be an issue between PBF and Hatton, like it would/could be with PBF vs Margarito.

[BigReg]

25 mil is hardly a sacrifice:lol: It was also another title in another weight class, which floyd loves to talk about. Still not a real championship as floyds had only two of those at 30 and 47. We are awaiting PBF's first defense of that 47 title.

I dont care what weight he fights Hatton at, though it should have happened at 40 since Hatton was CHAMP and Floyd wasnt:good Size wont be an issue between PBF and Hatton, like it would/could be with PBF vs Margarito.

If Floyd wasn't the real champ at 135 and 154, then who were the real champs?

[Lance_Uppercut]

If Floyd wasn't the real champ at 135 and 154, then who were the real champs?
The real champ @ 154 was vacant since Winky left.

[BigReg]

The real champ @ 154 was vacant since Winky left.

So then how can someone become the real champ at 154?

[Lance_Uppercut]

So then how can someone become the real champ at 154?

Same with the HW division, gotta unify to find a champ. Floyd wasn't the only guy @ 154 with a belt. Not to mention the dubious way DLH got his belt anyway.

[PBF P4P #1]

Same with the HW division, gotta unify to find a champ. Floyd wasn't the only guy @ 154 with a belt. Not to mention the dubious way DLH got his belt anyway.

agree...i hope no one is trying to say floyd dominated each class because he left work to do at 140 and we knew he would never at 154 because it was a one fight deal and essientially a WW fighting a LMW

[Doggie03]

Dude, take Manteddy out of that equation, he's a turd. Replace that with Judah and you have the five best opponents on his record.

The problem is, Floyd's avoided tougher opposition at every weight

30 Casamayor

35 Spadafora(who beat floyd bad in the gym)

40 Hatton/Tszyu

47 Margarito/SSM/Cotto

Floyd has cherry picked his way through every division, now he can put an end to that shit and make up for it at 47, if he so chooses. I hope for him, his fans, and the sport that he has the balls to do it.

If you dont know, I cant stand PBF, but can respect ACTIONS. Still wouldnt like him, but would have proper respect if he does and even if he LOSES.

Who said Spadafora beat him bad in the gym? Talk is cheap, anyone can make up rumors.

At 130, he fought quality. Hernandez, Manfredy(you can't take him out of the picture, he is in the picture, thats just a way of you rationalizing him not fighting quality). Oh, and he did crush Corrales(RIP), and PBF was the under dog.

135, Castillo, twice. Some felt he may have lost the first one, but some people thought he won convincingly. There are plenty of fights like that. also Jesus Chavez, he was a solid fighter.

At 140, there may have been some confusion. PBF didn't dodge zoo in no way. The fight just didn't happen, and there were no talks of it. Then he retired after Hatton beat him, which actually made Hatton. And as I recall, it was Hatton who was ducking mayweather. Floyd said he would go to england and fight him, and Hatton still backed off.

147 - I do agree that he should fight Sugar Shane, and I would love to see it. I don't know why there haven't been any taks about it, but thats not ducking. Floyd is #1, people should be calling him out, not the other way around, and I haven't heard a peep from SSM. But don't forget, if he did beat Shane, then Shane is old and washed up. Who's Margarito again? And fine, Cotto, but he's fighting another quality fighter in Hatton which would bring him more money, which is why he took that fight

[BigReg]

Same with the HW division, gotta unify to find a champ. Floyd wasn't the only guy @ 154 with a belt. Not to mention the dubious way DLH got his belt anyway.

Good point, but it's almost impossible to unify in any division. That being said, Floyd was definately not the man at 154. The guy I was responding to initially said Floyd didn't win a real championsphip at 154. Do you consider his belt at JMW, a legit?

[Lance_Uppercut]

Good point, but it's almost impossible to unify in any division. That being said, Floyd was definately not the man at 154. The guy I was responding to initially said Floyd didn't win a real championsphip at 154. Do you consider his belt at JMW, a legit?

Sure, it was a legit title. I don't like how Moyorga was given a shot vs. Piccarillo to have it. He did nothing to deserve it, aside from getting blasted by Tito and not doing anything at 154 anyway. Nor how DLH too was made #1 for being on a losing streak. The 154 belt is pretty tainted in my opinion. It would be different if someone won the vacant belt and did something with it.

[PH|LLA]

extremely good fighter but way overrated

[kg0208]

25 mil is hardly a sacrifice:lol: It was also another title in another weight class, which floyd loves to talk about. Still not a real championship as floyds had only two of those at 30 and 47. We are awaiting PBF's first defense of that 47 title.

I dont care what weight he fights Hatton at, though it should have happened at 40 since Hatton was CHAMP and Floyd wasnt:good Size wont be an issue between PBF and Hatton, like it would/could be with PBF vs Margarito.

Yah, I looked this up JUST for you. You are calling into question the process of crowing a lineal champion on the site you used as proof that PBF was not lineal. Since you are calling that into question, it only stands to reason that the champions they have listed must be called into question as well right? How can you question their process, but then not question the champions since they would have been put their by what you deem a questionable process?

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2 different articles which refer to PBF as the true 135 lineal champion. One of which says he is one of only 9 men to hold the lineal title in 3 weight classes, and dismisses his ABC championships.