If Roy Jones had turned pro at LHW in 1890

[McGrain]

How do you think he would have done?

[PowerPuncher]

HW Champ for 10years, he has the skill, speed, style to befuddle and outclass Sullivan, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Sharkey, Corbett beating them all. He'd be a big puncher back then too and don't mention 30round fights, hes easily as fit as the old timers

[McGrain]

Jones' reaction time means he's expert at slipping shots rather than blocking them with those tiny mitts. A very serious advantage.

Has he ever had trouble with his hands?

[PowerPuncher]

Jones' reaction time means he's expert at slipping shots rather than blocking them with those tiny mitts. A very serious advantage.

Has he ever had trouble with his hands?

Other RJJ advantages in the 30round era:

RJJ doesnt waste shots so wouldnt tire in long fights
RJJ wouldnt be small at HW in this era
The HW pace was pretty slow meaning RJJ would have even more time to work

[janitor]

RJJ wouldnt be small at HW in this era


He would be if he ran into John L Sullivan or Jim Jeffries.

[PowerPuncher]

He would be if he ran into John L Sullivan or Jim Jeffries.

Sullivan was shorter than RJJ, Jeffries was much bigger around the size of Ruiz. Jeffries had problems with a smaller fighter in Fitzsimmons. And Fitz was past prime, much slower with a poorer defense

[janitor]

[quote=PowerPuncher]Sullivan was shorter than RJJ,

So is Mike Tyson.

Jeffries was much bigger around the size of Ruiz. Jeffries had problems with a smaller fighter in Fitzsimmons. And Fitz was past prime, much slower with a poorer defense

Jeffries himself was green when he fought Fitzsimmons and still beat him. Fitzsimmons was not as fast as Jones but he was more durable and more dangerous on the offense.

Jeffries was no Ruiz. He was cat quick on his feet, verry durable andmethodical in his aproach to breaking down smaller fighters.

Over 20 rounds he would get Jones. No problem.

[PowerPuncher]

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1. So is Mike Tyson.

2. Jeffries himself was green when he fought Fitzsimmons and still beat him. Fitzsimmons was not as fast as Jones but he was more durable and more dangerous on the offense.

3. Jeffries was no Ruiz. He was cat quick on his feet, verry durable andmethodical in his aproach to breaking down smaller fighters.

Over 20 rounds he would get Jones. No problem.

1. Tyson was more muscular and compact than Sullivan and Tyson isn't about using his size though Sullivan was, which wouldnt do much for him against RJJ

2. RJJ is the superior more skilled boxer and bigger. He would make Jeffries miss and counter him all night. RJJ usually would outclass opponents without breaking a sweat and is seemingly untouchable in his prime.

3. Jeffries is no Ruiz correct but the size issue is there. RJJ isnt an average smaller fighter and brings a puzzle that would beffudle and hurt Jeffries as hes made to miss and gets left hook counters for his efforts

[ripcity]

Jones would have ben the best boxer of his eara. However because of the political climete of the dayhe probbly would have never gotten a tittle shot. Espicily at heavyweight. The Jones-Peter Jackson, Jones-Sam Langford, Jones-Sam McVea, Jones-Jack Johnson and posibbily Jones-Hary Wills fights would be how we would mesure Jones.

[SteveO]

I think we're assuming that many top white fighters would fight him.

[PH|LLA]

RJJ wouldn't be as good as he was if he was born in that era

[amhlilhaus]

jones wouldn't fight like he did now, and with his glass chin he'd be a good fighter, but wouldn't dominate like we would thing, someone would hit him, and as been shown, he goes down when hit hard, and what's harder than punches by 5oz gloves? look at some mma fights if you don't believe me.

[janitor]

[quote=PowerPuncher][quote=janitor]
1. Tyson was more muscular and compact than Sullivan


Not as much more as you might think.

I would say that Sullivan was built smaller than Tyson but closer to him than to Marciano physicaly.


2. RJJ is the superior more skilled boxer and bigger. He would make Jeffries miss and counter him all night. RJJ usually would outclass opponents without breaking a sweat and is seemingly untouchable in his prime.


Im sure he would look good for a while but when Jeffries catches up with him or he starts to tire it will be curtains.

[janitor]

I think we're assuming that many top white fighters would fight him.

Some would and some wouldnt.

Most of them would if they did not hold the title at the time so he would likley have fought a good few of them.

[PowerPuncher]

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[quote=PowerPuncher]
Not as much more as you might think.

I would say that Sullivan was built smaller than Tyson but closer to him than to Marciano physicaly.

Im sure he would look good for a while but when Jeffries catches up with him or he starts to tire it will be curtains.

Sullivan isn't as powerful or as explosive or as skilled as Tyson. Tyson never relied on size. Tyson would decimate RJJ but Sullivan is another story

As for Jeffries I think were agreed RJJ outboxes Jeffries. If RJJ gets caught up to then its hard to say what happens. Your assuming RJJ had little durability and couldnt score devastating counter attacks. He certainly could deliver devastating counter attacks and his durability in his prime may have been far better than it was at the age of 35. At the age of 35 RJJ had poor durability BUT that doesnt mean a prime RJJ had poor durability.

[janitor]

[quote=PowerPuncher][quote=janitor][quote]
Sullivan isn't as powerful or as explosive or as skilled as Tyson.


How do you know?

Tyson never relied on size.

What makes you think that Sullivan did?

As for Jeffries I think were agreed RJJ outboxes Jeffries. If RJJ gets caught up to then its hard to say what happens. Your assuming RJJ had little durability and couldnt score devastating counter attacks. He certainly could deliver devastating counter attacks and his durability in his prime may have been far better than it was at the age of 35. At the age of 35 RJJ had poor durability BUT that doesnt mean a prime RJJ had poor durability.

What do you think his durability will look like after Jeffries sinks a 4oz mitt into his solar plexus with 220 lbs behind it?

Then what would it look like if that happened 20 rounds into the fight (assuming he could last that long)?

Nobody is beating Jeffries without uber durability.