Who was leading before the DQ in the 1st fight: Jones or Griffin?

[Sweet Pea]

I had it 4-4 with Jones up by a point due to the knockdown he scored in the 7th. Griffin definitely gave him more problems than any other fighter style-wise. Very good fight. How did you have it?

[PH|LLA]

Jones for me

4-4 in rounds, 76-75 for Jones, with Jones winning the 9th 10-8 before the DQ

imo Jones would've either won by KO or swept the final rounds

[1lehudson]

I had it 4-4 with Jones up by a point due to the knockdown he scored in the 7th. Griffin definitely gave him more problems than any other fighter style-wise. Very good fight. How did you have it?That would have had to put jones up two since a knockdown is 10-8.

griffin was doing well but he was actaully down on the scorecards, that is always something that people on this site tend to overlook.

Griffin was a very good fighter, he was a hard guy to fight and in his prime he was one of the best light heavies in the world. He beat Toney, he was whipp'n Michalczewski until that fishy stoppage. Doing better vs Jones then anyone had to that point. Those are seen as the best at the weight in that era. So Griffin was right there.

[1lehudson]

Jones for me

4-4 in rounds, 76-75 for Jones, with Jones winning the 9th 10-8 before the DQ

imo Jones would've either won by KO or swept the final roundsGriffin was also down in the seventh.

[PH|LLA]

That would have had to put jones up two since a knockdown is 10-8.
no man

[PH|LLA]

Griffin was also down in the seventh.
which is why i wrote 76-75 and not 76-76

[BigReg]

I don't remember. What I do remember is that Jones was starting to turn it on, and was kicking the shit out of Griffiin. Had Griffin not shamelessly pretened that he couldn't continue, he would've been stopped in the next round or two(if not that round).

[Sweet Pea]

That would have had to put jones up two since a knockdown is 10-8.Incorrect.

[brooklyn1550]

4-4 which means Jones was up by a point. It was a close fight, but Jones was starting to step on the gas pedal...

[Sweet Pea]

4-4 which means Jones was up by a point. It was a close fight...Bad style matchup for Jones, even if he does win against it. I do believe it shows that against some of the top ATG's and craftier fighters, he wouldn't look as invincible, though he may still win.

[Polymath]

Q: what was it about Griffins style that troubles Jones?

[1lehudson]

Incorrect.your right I stand corrected

[PH|LLA]

Bad style matchup for Jones, even if he does win against it. I do believe it shows that against some of the top ATG's and craftier fighters, he wouldn't look as invincible, though he may still win.
i get your point but don't forget jones sure looked invincible in the rematch.

[1lehudson]

Q: what was it about Griffins style that troubles Jones?Griffin was a defence first counterpuncher, Jones is a counterpuncher. It wasnt so much that Griffin was that much trouble for Jones it was more of Jones fighting the wrong fight. But after a few rounds he changed and started going at Griffin and we know what happened after that and in the rematch.

[1lehudson]

Bad style matchup for Jones, even if he does win against it. I do believe it shows that against some of the top ATG's and craftier fighters, he wouldn't look as invincible, though he may still win.Dah...

[Sweet Pea]

Q: what was it about Griffins style that troubles Jones?Jones had a way of countering so well with his speed that he would make other fighters punch outputs decrease hugely. Griffin did that to Jones at stages of their fight. While not exceptionally quick, he had a deceptive reach(actually used a good jab on Roy), very unorthodox, yet accurate punches, and he placed them very well. Simply using head movement or foot movement wasn't enough to escape a lot of them for Jones.

Griffin was also able to counter Jones at times, because he didn't rely on catching Jones when he was in close(Jones was too fast for that), he rather relied on being within range, so when Jones would throw a shot, he'd counter at the point where Jones originally stood, so Jones wouldn't be able to escape his reach.

Very unorthodox, but slick style. Makes you wonder how, in these mythical P4P H2H matchups, Jones would do against guys like Whitaker, Benitez, etc.

[Sweet Pea]

Dah...Interesting.

[Shaolin Box]

Jones had a way of countering so well with his speed that he would make other fighters punch outputs decrease hugely. Griffin did that to Jones at stages of their fight. While not exceptionally quick, he had a deceptive reach(actually used a good jab on Roy), very unorthodox, yet accurate punches, and he placed them very well. Simply using head movement or foot movement wasn't enough to escape a lot of them for Jones.

Griffin was also able to counter Jones at times, because he didn't rely on catching Jones when he was in close(Jones was too fast for that), he rather relied on being within range, so when Jones would throw a shot, he'd counter at the point where Jones originally stood, so Jones wouldn't be able to escape his reach.

Very unorthodox, but slick style. Makes you wonder how, in these mythical
P4P H2H matchups, Jones would do against guys like Whitaker, Benitez, etc.

Any chance that Jones was just keeping Griffin in the fight just to make it interesting for the fans? I mean he was getting rediculed at the time for not fighting high caliber opponents. Then he stopped fucking around for the second fight... Is that way off or a possibility? Just a thought!

[Sweet Pea]

Any chance that Jones was just keeping Griffin in the fight just to make it interesting for the fans? I mean he was getting rediculed at the time for not fighting high caliber opponents. Then he stopped fucking around for the second fight... Is that way off or a possibility? Just a thought!No.

Griffin's style definitely did give Jones trouble, no way Jones was expecting half of those shots that landed, and was visibly frustrated at times. In the 2nd fight, not only was Jones fully motivated, but Griffin no longer had Eddie Futch(one of the greatest trainers of all time and the mastermind behind the first fight) in his corner.

[Shaolin Box]

No.

Griffin's style definitely did give Jones trouble, no way Jones was expecting half of those shots that landed, and was visibly frustrated at times. In the 2nd fight, not only was Jones fully motivated, but Griffin no longer had Eddie Futch(one of the greatest trainers of all time and the mastermind behind the first fight) in his corner.

hmm, i dont know about that, but i still cant argue your points.
But I still dont think it was as close as you thought. I had Jones up by a good 2-3 rounds if I remember.

[Sweet Pea]

hmm, i dont know about that, but i still cant argue your points.
But I still dont think it was as close as you thought. I had Jones up by a good 2-3 rounds if I remember.That seems pretty biased. Jones is my 2nd favorite fighter of all time, and I was looking at the fight from his point of view, and still scored it that close. Griffin no question presented a lot of problems, which Jones started to handle late when he adapted.

[Shaolin Box]

That seems pretty biased. Jones is my 2nd favorite fighter of all time, and I was looking at the fight from his point of view, and still scored it that close. Griffin no question presented a lot of problems, which Jones started to handle late when he adapted.

I really havn't seen the fight in a VERY long time. I should watch it again but i just dont remember it being that close to be honest. I'll try to watch it again this weekend

[Shaolin Box]

That seems pretty biased. Jones is my 2nd favorite fighter of all time, and I was looking at the fight from his point of view, and still scored it that close. Griffin no question presented a lot of problems, which Jones started to handle late when he adapted.

And unfortunitley, Jones is the ONE fighter I tend to make biased judgements on. :oops:

[Alo2006]

Griffin was a defence first counterpuncher, Jones is a counterpuncher. It wasnt so much that Griffin was that much trouble for Jones it was more of Jones fighting the wrong fight. But after a few rounds he changed and started going at Griffin and we know what happened after that and in the rematch.

Yep :good

[BigBone]

It was even fight up to the 9th, but the KD that lead to the DQ changed everything. If the ref didn't stop the fight, the KD would've given a 2 points lead to Jones, so at the time of the stoppage, Jones was ahead. But still it's an interesting stoppage, as Jones was landing a fast combo, and when Griffins knees touched the canvas - but he wasn't layed out! - the referee made no attempt to step in and send Jones to a neutral corner... WTF?

Illegal punch? Yes! But mistake of the ref not stepping in for count? Yes!

Simply put: if that's a DQ, then Pacquiao-Marquez 1 (3rd KD) is a DQ as well. See it for yourself.

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