VITALI deserves RESPECT

[Suge Green]

Let's face it, not many boxers are made of the same tough material Vitali is. How many boxers have lost 2 matches in a row to the same adversary and came back...???

Or been shutout in a trilogy and mustered the strength to return...???

Or worse...???

VITKLIT has braved wars beyond the epic TRILOGIES of our sport, beyond a QUADRILOGY...

VITALI has been shut out in fighting a PENTALOGY with TRAINING CAMP...and yet he still thinks he can get one in the win column...

...look out SIXTH time is a charm. :hey

[Ambition_Def]

:rofl


And don't you fear! Should he get Sam Peter in the ring there is no way Sam Peter can perform any better than the great Danny Williams!

[vargasfan1985]

i hate his crappy sportsmanship

remember when sanders KO'd wlad? he was getting in corrie's face after. even the lewis fight he did it to.

i respect that he gives his all. thats bout it. minus the byrd fight of course

[Heavyrighthand]

Let's face it, not many boxers are made of the same tough material Vitali is. How many boxers have lost 2 matches in a row to the same adversary and came back...???

Or been shutout in a trilogy and mustered the strength to return...???

Or worse...???

VITKLIT has braved wars beyond the epic TRILOGIES of our sport, beyond a QUADRILOGY...

VITALI has been shut out in fighting a PENTALOGY with TRAINING CAMP...and yet he still thinks he can get one in the win column...

...look out SIXTH time is a charm. :hey

:lol:

:fire

[PH|LLA]

weak sarcasm

Vitali does in fact deserve respect for trying to challenge himself at the top level of boxing time and time again.

[Suge Green]

weak sarcasm

Vitali does in fact deserve respect for trying to challenge himself at the top level of boxing time and time again.

:|

[EpsilonAxis]

Yes. Vitali is a badass.

[bruce_keyes]

yeah, Vitali definitely has poor sportsmanship, he is a sore loser. But I def. dont see Vitali losing against peter, even if his back was broken like Tyson when he fought Etienne:)

[vargasfan1985]

my backs broke

i broke my back

:rofl

[Heavyrighthand]

To be truthful and serious, how many other fighters would endure what he has over the last four years, and then fight Peter, first fight back, given what Peter just did to Oleg.


???????????

[vargasfan1985]

vitali has the tools to beat peter and he knows it

not to mention im sure vitali will be knockin a lot of the rust off with ALOT OF SPARRING so he wont be so rusty

[pasky2000]

If Vitali can stay healthy and come in great shape, he could very well school Peter ! Vitali is even better than Wlad to fight using his range !!

[Ambition_Def]

To be truthful and serious, how many other fighters would endure what he has over the last four years, and then fight Peter, first fight back, given what Peter just did to Oleg.


???????????

I'll give you that. He does deserve some credit for going ahead with this now that Maskaev has been eliminated. Sam Peter ain't no Danny Williams. That will be pretty obvious come fight time.

[Suge Green]

I'll give you that. He does deserve some credit for going ahead with this now that Maskaev has been eliminated. Sam Peter ain't no Danny Williams. That will be pretty obvious come fight time.

I'll ask you...since there shouldn't be any bias :hey ...

Since Vitali deserves as you say, "some credit" for coming back...although you did tie it directly to the threat of Peter...

...how much credit and respect did he deserve for the previous FIVE times, and of course consequent failures...???

[Mindspring]

Let's face it, not many boxers are made of the same tough material Vitali is. How many boxers have lost 2 matches in a row to the same adversary and came back...???

Or been shutout in a trilogy and mustered the strength to return...???

Or worse...???

VITKLIT has braved wars beyond the epic TRILOGIES of our sport, beyond a QUADRILOGY...

VITALI has been shut out in fighting a PENTALOGY with TRAINING CAMP...and yet he still thinks he can get one in the win column...

...look out SIXTH time is a charm. :hey

I am convinced that your deep seated fear and hate -for whatever reason.- has not been exposed because of your casual satire.
You are clever.

[thesandman]

To be truthful and serious, how many other fighters would endure what he has over the last four years, and then fight Peter, first fight back, given what Peter just did to Oleg.


???????????

Well, given Oleg and Peter looked like they were fighting in treacle (not just water), I'd say a few.

And is this Vitali's first fight back? What about McCline? I thought that was the first fight of his comeback?

Or Rahman 2? 3? 4?


I would say Lennox Lewis could walk off the street now and beat Sam Peter.
Bloody Larry Holmes probably fances his chances too, to be honest.

[Ambition_Def]

I'll ask you...since there shouldn't be any bias :hey ...

Since Vitali deserves as you say, "some credit" for coming back...although you did tie it directly to the threat of Peter...

...how much credit and respect did he deserve for the previous FIVE times, and of course consequent failures...???

Zero considering the circumstances.

The guy really ought to know that it's not nice to fool around with timelines and deadlines. He really has no respect for the fans or the business end of the sport when he does this. Chances are he's going to postpone the Peter fight too. Whether or not he is training or hurting himself is irrelevant. Fact is this isn't just a one and done thing. He's done this 5 consecutive times in a matter of 3 years.

The only way I give him respect is if he manages to climb into the ring against Sam Peter. Otherwise all bets are off. He'll have costed camp Peter another 6 months of training and debts.

[Fighting Weight]

i hate his crappy sportsmanship

remember when sanders KO'd wlad? he was getting in corrie's face after. even the lewis fight he did it to.

i respect that he gives his all. thats bout it. minus the byrd fight of course

Yep, good post. VITLAY displayed all the sportsmanship you'd expect from a failed mayor.

But WALD fans need never fear, if WALD gets KO'd by a bum, VITLAY will clear it up and cleanse the Klitschko name for the future generations :nut

I wonder what VITLAY will do when WALD gets KO'd by Haye....that's going to be one training camp too many I feel.

[Punisher33]

Actually Jose Soliman(spell check), said that Vitali broke the WBC record for most cancellations without actually fighting, he postponed the Rahman fight 4times in a span of 1 year.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

Vitaly can't even make it through a training camp without getting injured:-( no way in hell he could make it thru a 12 round fight with Peter! especially since he's been out of the ring since 04:lol:

[thesandman]

The WBC is making this fight happen and I am not tryin to be an ahole but they know more about vitali's health than any of us and they are willing to put the event together. Please relay the message to Swedeone, b/c if that mother types in bold letters again......

I presume they knew all about his health prior to the 4 or 5 Rahman fights, and the McCline fight also?

They are only sanctioning the fight. Not promoting it or paying the fighters.

If I was Peter, I would insist on a payout clause if Vitali postpones/cancels. That's the only sure way that he can pay his trainer, manager, sparring partners etc if Vitali backs out for the sixth or seventh time in a row.

[Tencount85]

I presume they knew all about his health prior to the 4 or 5 Rahman fights, and the McCline fight also?

They are only sanctioning the fight. Not promoting it or paying the fighters.

If I was Peter, I would insist on a payout clause if Vitali postpones/cancels. That's the only sure way that he can pay his trainer, manager, sparring partners etc if Vitali backs out for the sixth or seventh time in a row.

On the site that talks boxing, there is an article with duva where he says they are making it so that in the event of vitali pulling out, peter and co will get something out of it and dont' waste their time.

[Mindspring]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Vitaly can't even make it through a training camp without getting injured:-( no way in hell he could make it thru a 12 round fight with Peter! especially since he's been out of the ring since 04:lol::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Very funny. Let's give the guy a chance.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Primenal]

Vitali is (or was) better than Wlad. If he had no retired due to injury he would be in Lennox Lewis' place, and be recognized as the "Heavyweight Champion of the world." Just because your mad the man can't seem to get back in to it....That's no reason to descredibt him, his wins, his ability, etc.
Fact is...If it's the same Vitali that fought before (even close to it) Peters doesn't stand a chance IMO. If it was the same Vitali before...I don't think Wlad wouldn't stand a chance either (though they refuse to fight eachother).

[vargasfan1985]

i cant stand people who slurp vitali and wlad

they are good fighters. not these amazing saviours people make them out to be

[Punisher33]

i cant stand people who slurp vitali and wlad

they are good fighters. not these amazing saviours people make them out to be :good I feel the same way, they both came at a time when the division was as weak as could be, so it made good fighters like Wlad and Vitali look great, but they would lose to most, if not all of the ATG fighters that came before them, though Vitali is the better brother, and would of game some ATG's a run for there money, Wlad on the other hand would of have his chin more exposed than Paris Hiltons pussy at a red carpet event.:yep

[vargasfan1985]

i remember a thread on ESB called WLAD KO3 ALI or some garbage

i wanted to find the poster and laugh and cry in his face

[cuchulain]

When Vitali stepped aside to let Maskaev defend against Peter, it was understood that if he got healthy again, he would be first in line to meet the winner, as he retired due to injury.

He has not lost his title in the ring.

If he's so shot, it should be an easy night for Peter and a good addition to Peter's fairly weak resume. Sam should be jumping at the chance.

If he's shot, this will retire him out of your hair for keeps.

If he's not shot, he KO's Peter, early.

[Suge Green]

...I would say Lennox Lewis could walk off the street now and beat Sam Peter.
Bloody Larry Holmes probably fances his chances too, to be honest.


:rofl ...Larry Holmes who fought Butterbean...???...and the HBO desk version of Lewis...

[Farmboxer]

I know the "real" reason they hate the Klitschkos! Want to guess?

Whatever, Vitali had injuries, he retired from the WBC title to allow the WBC Title not to be tied up. WBC made Vitali the Emeritus Champion, this is the WBC rules. Vitali had the right to fight Oleg, but Don King kept putting roadblocks up, so Vitali finally decided to fight the winner of that fight. Vitali was not only promised the fight, he is legally entitled to that fight and can force it in court. Don King will do anything to get Peter out of that fight. Don King does not want Vlad to fight Peter either.

[Suge Green]

...If he's so shot, it should be an easy night for Peter and a good addition to Peter's fairly weak resume. Sam should be jumping at the chance.



You know, I would expect a KLIT fan to say something of that sort. He should be jumping at a chance to fight a shot fighter (for the sake of argument)...:roll:

Peter, however is probably not salivating because a title defense against a shot fighter is on the horizon. That's not conduct fitting of a true champion.

[Suge Green]

I know the "real" reason they hate the Klitschkos! Want to guess?

Whatever, Vitali had injuries, he retired from the WBC title to allow the WBC Title not to be tied up. WBC made Vitali the Emeritus Champion, this is the WBC rules. Vitali had the right to fight Oleg, but Don King kept putting roadblocks up, so Vitali finally decided to fight the winner of that fight. Vitali was not only promised the fight, he is legally entitled to that fight and can force it in court. Don King will do anything to get Peter out of that fight. Don King does not want Vlad to fight Peter either.

Your source...???

...you also claim Peter doesn't want to fight them, when he said he does.

I think Peter knows what he wants better than you do.

The last we heard from your idol Don King, he said he wants Peter to fight them.

You better start citing sources for some of your BS...

[Farmboxer]

First read the WBC rules. Then do you wonder why Don King does not want this fight? I do not believe anything Don King says, ask Tyson, Lewis, Ali, Witherspoon, etc. Don King says one thing then does another, it is his past. Of course, you clain Don King has never told a lie! LOL! I have a bridge I will sell you. Do You have the money?

[Suge Green]

Of course, you clain Don King has never told a lie!



As if your posting wasn't week enough, you resort to a Widdow tactic...I made no such claim.


Anyways...your source.

[Farmboxer]

Again, please check out the boxing archives.

[Suge Green]

Again, please check out the boxing archives.

Stop lying, I never claimed Don King has never told a lie...you however make sh*t up everytime you post.

Must suck to be such a boxing fan, with no ability to grasp facts. Do you make things up and ascribe them to people in your regular life to, or only as Farmboxer...???

[cuchulain]

You know, I would expect a KLIT fan to say something of that sort. He should be jumping at a chance to fight a shot fighter (for the sake of argument)...:roll:

Peter, however is probably not salivating because a title defense against a shot fighter is on the horizon. That's not conduct fitting of a true champion.


You're missing a chunk of the point.

Peter will be getting a shot at one of the biggest names he could have on his resume, defending a title he only picked up because Vitali stepped aside to allow the Peter -Maskaev fight to take place.


He should be salivating if he thinks Vitali is over the hill, because, as I said, for Peter, that represents low risk/high gain.

(Fighters get kudos for defeating 'names' even if they are past it).

If, on the other hand, vitali is NOT shot and defeats Peter, Sam never had any right to the belt in the first place.


And BTW, what was your point in starting the thread, and the point of your opening post?

Agenda, perhaps?

Then again, looking at your signature, that's pretty obvious.

[Ambition_Def]

You're missing a chunk of the point.

Peter will be getting a shot at one of the biggest names he could have on his resume, defending a title he only picked up because Vitali stepped aside to allow the Peter -Maskaev fight to take place.


He should be salivating if he thinks Vitali is over the hill, because, as I said, for Peter, that represents low risk/high gain.

(Fighters get kudos for defeating 'names' even if they are past it).

If, on the other hand, vitali is NOT shot and defeats Peter, Sam never had any right to the belt in the first place.


And BTW, what was your point in starting the thread, and the point of your opening post?

Agenda, perhaps?

All you have to do is consider that Vitlay has wasted the time of 4 boxers in total costing each of them valuble money and time. Rahman, McCline, Maskaev and Peter. 4 of 4, since 2004. If I were Sam I'd be a little bit worried about those odds.

[cuchulain]

All you have to do is consider that Vitlay has wasted the time of 4 boxers in total costing each of them valuble money and time. Rahman, McCline, Maskaev and Peter. 4 of 4, since 2004. If I were Sam I'd be a little bit worried about those odds.


He got injured in the traing camp for Rahman, and eventually retired, ceding the title to Rahman.

Not the first time a fighter has been injured and delayed a fight.

As for the other three you mention, could you explain how Vitali wasted their time and $$$ ?

And who would Sam Peter fight instead who would bring more $$$ to the table ?

Toney (3)? McCline rematch? Wlad again?

The WBC are legally obligated to give Vitali the first crack at the title, much as that doesn't sit well with Sam's management and Don King.

Like I said, If he's shot, easy and high profile victory for Sam. If he's not, Sam's in for an early night.

[Suge Green]

You're missing a chunk of the point.

No, I understood the post perfectly, or all of the "chunks" if you will, I engaged in dialogue with the part that I took the most issue with.

He should be salivating if he thinks Vitali is over the hill, because, as I said, for Peter, that represents low risk/high gain.

(Fighters get kudos for defeating 'names' even if they are past it).

I already made this point, but if you're determined to form a circle...that is not conduct fitting of a true champion. You can give "kudos" for whatever you wish, I'm a little more discriminating than that. I read the asterisk.


And BTW, what was your point in starting the thread, and the point of your opening post?

Agenda, perhaps?

Then again, looking at your signature...

:| No need to get butt hurt over it, but if you got issues...I got tissues.
Agenda...??? We are posters on a boxing forum, most of us don't think we are running for an election (what up Widdow ;) )...Don't take yourself, or it too serious.

Basically, I'm here for three reasons...To talk boxing, have fun, and to learn. Like most of us.

Since you asked, this thread was in response to Heavyright Hand's Peter appreciation thread...hence his :lol: and :fire at the begining of the thread. If it's not fun for you move on.

[Ambition_Def]

He got injured in the traing camp for Rahman, and eventually retired, ceding the title to Rahman.

Not the first time a fighter has been injured and delayed a fight.

As for the other three you mention, could you explain how Vitali wasted their time and $$$ ?

He pulled out of the Rahman fight 4 consecutive times in a row spanning a year. That is not normal. So please don't make it out to be as if it is. Sure guys pull out of fights all the time. But when its their mandatory they usually make the fight on second appearance even if they aren't 100%. Some go in on the first appearance not 100%. All the time.

He wasted Rahman's time. Then he wasted McCline's time by pulling out a 5th time, consecutively might I add.

He also held up the mandatory fight between Maskaev and Sam Peter which is as shady as it gets. He made both of them wait it out for months before finally giving up on negotiations.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali retired so that time would not be wasted for WBC title fights.

Looks like Vitali/Peter has been ordered by Jose Sulaiman/WBC, nothing totally official yet though. We will stay tuned. Negotiations to start Monday? Let's hope so.

[cuchulain]

You can give "kudos" for whatever you wish, I'm a little more discriminating than that. I read the asterisk.

I didn't say I give kudos. i said fighters get Kudos...

And while YOU might read the asterix, most observers don't really know or care, including, I suspect, Sam.

My point is that Vitali would be a big feather in Sam's cap, by far the biggest name he would have on his resume.



:| No need to get butt hurt over it, but if you got issues...I got tissues.


When you start a thread like that, You're the one with the issues, dude!
Keep your tissues handy.



Agenda...??? We are posters on a boxing forum, most of us don't think we are running for an election (what up Widdow ;) )...Don't take yourself, or it too serious.

My point here is that some posters are a little more balanced than others. There's fan boys (as Lance U terms them), and there's haters. Interestingly enough, it's usually the same fighters who attract the lion's share of both (Delahoya, Mayweather, Pac, The Klits, etc).
Posters with a pro or anti fighter signature are more agenda-driven and less likely to worry about objectivity.


Basically, I'm here for three reasons...To talk boxing, have fun, and to learn. Like most of us.

Can't argue with them reasons. Just making sure that there's 'full disclosure'.


Since you asked, this thread was in response to Heavyright Hand's Peter appreciation thread...hence his :lol: and :fire at the begining of the thread. If it's not fun for you move on.


I didn't see his thread. i only react to what's in front of me. Maybe he has an agenda in the other direction?

Keep on postin' !

[cuchulain]

He pulled out of the Rahman fight 4 consecutive times in a row spanning a year. That is not normal. So please don't make it out to be as if it is. Sure guys pull out of fights all the time. But when its their mandatory they usually make the fight on second appearance even if they aren't 100%. Some go in on the first appearance not 100%. All the time.

He wasted Rahman's time. Then he wasted McCline's time by pulling out a 5th time, consecutively might I add.

He also held up the mandatory fight between Maskaev and Sam Peter which is as shady as it gets. He made both of them wait it out for months before finally giving up on negotiations.

Other than the Rahman issue, which I agreed with, you haven't answered any of the other three questions. You've implied that fighters should sometimes go int their mandatories injured. Hardly great advice.

Klitschko had documented fight-preventing injuries, and he retired, giving Rahman the title when he realized he needed surgery.

The remarks regarding the other three fighters have little basis in reality.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali could have knock Rahman out while at only 25%!

[Suge Green]

Vitali could have knock Rahman out while at only 25%!

Why didn't he, he could have come it at 25% on any of the FOUR occasions he didn't show up to.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali has not problem fighting anyone, esp. Peter, your hero. You think that Peter is the fastest, most skilled boxer on the planet. You believe that Peter can never be knocked down or hurt. Yes, Peter is a legend in your own mind indeed.

[Suge Green]

Peter, your hero. You think that Peter is the fastest, most skilled boxer on the planet. You believe that Peter can never be knocked down or hurt. Yes, Peter is a legend in your own mind indeed.

You are full of sh*t. You need to learn another approach besides making sh*t up. Obviously you are unarmed in the wits department, but you don't get points by trying to compensate with imagination.

I am a fan of Sam Peter. For the record he is a crude, plodding, brute...however he has an enthusiasm, intensity, and willingness to learn that causes us to root for him anyways. That should straighten your dumb *ss out on how I feel about Peter.

That's the difference between a good poster and you pathetic KLIT-ites. I don't stake my reputation on a fighter that I'm a fan of's reputation. You have to pretend your heros are perfect because in your feeble mind it is a reflection of how you think you are viewed. Quit trying to live through your idols. Even if either KLIT were anywhere near as great as you think, neither of them would let your jellyfish, spineless *ss shine their shoes.

[Farmboxer]

And you admire Don King..........LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmie]

Even though that eye looked bad vs Lewis I imagine Vitali Quitscko just cant handle pain by any means. Hes done quit in training camp like 5 times in a couple year period. Once he hurt his arm in a fight with just a couple rounds to go agianst a tough but not very dangerous Chris Byrd when he was dominating him he just quits on his stool and gives away a win that really couldve put him in a title shot alot sooner then 2003.

[Suge Green]

And you admire Don King..........LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you learn dumbsh*t...???

No, I absolutely do not admire Don King. I don't scapegoat him either everytime I can pull his name out of a hat the way you do.

Put it this way...no unification, why...??? King, right...he's had plenty of chances to unify.

But you would like to see Vitklit beat Peter (let's just say he does), in which case there will be no unified champ, because the brothers refuse to fight.
Your dumb f*cking a*s will still be trying to find a way to blame Don King if that happens. You are too stupid for words.

[Ambition_Def]

The remarks regarding the other three fighters have little basis in reality.

:nut

McCline was scheduled to fight Vitlay. He trained, spent money paying for his training, and wasted alot of time to get into that position. If it weren't for Sam also being SOL, he'd have wasted alot of money.

Sam, as we are on that subject, took the McCline fight because financially they could no longer wait around for Maskaev. It had been some 10 months since he began training to get another fight and had been delayed again and again by the negotiations going on between Vitlay and Maskaev. Which if you knew anything about it, stated that should Vitlay become injured again, Sam would take his place. So both Maskaev and Sam were in training this whole time.

So it is very real. :good

[cuchulain]

:nut

McCline was scheduled to fight Vitlay. He trained, spent money paying for his training, and wasted alot of time to get into that position. If it weren't for Sam also being SOL, he'd have wasted alot of money.

Sam, as we are on that subject, took the McCline fight because financially they could no longer wait around for Maskaev. It had been some 10 months since he began training to get another fight and had been delayed again and again by the negotiations going on between Vitlay and Maskaev. Which if you knew anything about it, stated that should Vitlay become injured again, Sam would take his place. So both Maskaev and Sam were in training this whole time.

So it is very real. :good

Not at all real.

Vitaly was scheduled for a tune-up fight with Jameel but suffered a back injury. Jameel got a better, more lucrative fight with Sam Peter two weeks after the scheduled date for the vtali fight. No time wasted by Jameel.

Sam also got his fight with Macline. His career didn't suffer.

Vitali had the right to press his case for a fight with Maskaev if he ever made a comeback, as per the terms of his earlier step-aside in favour with Rahman.

He was not responsible for maskaev losing time. (Oleg could manage the delays on his own)

So far, you've only made a case for Rahman, and I agree that Vitali cost Rahman a bit of time, but he didn't do that deliberately, and the result was Rahman getting the title handed to him on a platter. it was his own fault that he couldn't hang on to it.

[Ambition_Def]

Dude that's a ridiculous retort. No offense.

That's like saying because I avoided your car being in the wrong lane that everything is ok. It doesn't make you a shitty driver as long as everyone settles in the end.

[cuchulain]

Dude that's a ridiculous retort. No offense.

That's like saying because I avoided your car being in the wrong lane that everything is ok. It doesn't make you a shitty driver as long as everyone settles in the end.

Vitali's action don't even need a defence.

There was , as the lawyers say, absence of malice. The man was the world champion, preparing in good faith to defend his title. He got injured and the bout got postponed, till eventually he retired rather than postpone it further.

Rahman then got the title. Which he promptly lost. End of story.

Your claim that McCline and Peter 'lost' time and money is equally spurious since they fought each other and hence lost nothing.

And besides, Vitali had no obligations to Peter or Maskaev.

it's like saying that Mayweather is depriving Cotto of $$$ because he won't fight him.

What some observers think OUGHT to happen carries little weight when it simply isn't possible, through no-one's deliberate fault.

[cuchulain]

Dude that's a ridiculous retort. No offense.

That's like saying because I avoided your car being in the wrong lane that everything is ok. It doesn't make you a shitty driver as long as everyone settles in the end.

What's ridiculous is the analogy.

If I'm in the wrong lane, I am driving incompetently.

Training for a fight and getting injured is not a mark of incompetence, just the result of body that's taken a lot of punishment with 40 or so fights and twice that number of kick-boxing match-ups.

What's more than obvious from your posts here and on other threads is that you don't care much for the Klitschkos and that you're perhaps a fan of the Nigerian nightmare.

Fair enough.

But you should avoid jumping on the detractors' bandwagon here.

Sam got his chance and was clearly outpointed by Wlad. There is little evidence he would do any better a second time.

Vitali has had poor luck with his aging and over-worked body. He fought Lennox with gusto and lost by way of a decisive stoppage. Then he hears that he might be afraid to face Rahman. Think about it!

A prime and healthy Vitali would take care of big Sam in two or three rounds.

If he's not up to the training camp, he will be granted no further consideration.

If he is up to it, but shot, Sam has an easy and prestigious victory coming his way, and good luck to him. He's a likeable guy, if not very skilled.

Either way, Vitali did not lose his title in the ring and stepped aside when health demanded. He's entitled, both legally and morally to attempt his comeback.

[Ambition_Def]

The analogy isn't ridiculous. In both cases you have someone who clearly has no respect for the rules of boxing (or the road). And your reasoning is that all is fine despite this lack of respect causing havoc.

Fights for that matter are also losing money when they are in peril. A McCine-Peter fight isn't a McCline-Klitschko fight. Regardless of what you say I'm sure McCline lost money on that one. Ditto for Sam being that he was not now fighting for the WBC title, but the WBC interim title. Against an opponent he had less than 2 weeks to prepare for. All marketing, promotions, etc go right out the window. Promoters then have to scramble to get some attention for what amounts to a new fight.

So yes, money and time is lost. For everyone involved.

Secondly you accuse me of adding to the bluster but then you seem to only cast Vitlay in a positive light whenever you get a chance to. I see a double standard here or a bit of hypocrisy at least. Waldo didn't do shit but survive against Sam Peter. So your reasoning as to how he'd do in a second fight is shit.

A prime healthy Vitlay doesn't take a guy like Sam out in three rounds on his best day. He does that to chinny fighters. Not someone who can climb off the canvas against a 6'6 270lb McCline to go on and win by points. Vitlay doesn't have that kind of power. He has wear down power. Which means dick against a guy like Sam who can take abuse.

Also if you think this is the end you are crazy. What is the most likely outcome here? A) Vitlay walks away for good after failing to finish training camp. Or B) Vitlay takes advantage of the situation to extend this contract out another 12 months citing various injuries the whole way? As far as I know the contract or right now the dialogue doesn't include a clause that states Vitlay forfeit his emeritius bullshitus status in the event of injury. And if it doesn't, you know damn well he'll be dragging this out like it's 2005 all over again.

[cuchulain]

The analogy isn't ridiculous. In both cases you have someone who clearly has no respect for the rules of boxing (or the road). And your reasoning is that all is fine despite this lack of respect causing havoc.

The analogy only makes sense if you are allowed to add to and extend the 'rules of boxing' in a subjective and arbitrary fashion. Which rules of boxing has Vitali ignored, and try to be specific.



Fights for that matter are also losing money when they are in peril. A McCine-Peter fight isn't a McCline-Klitschko fight. Regardless of what you say I'm sure McCline lost money on that one. Ditto for Sam being that he was not now fighting for the WBC title, but the WBC interim title. Against an opponent he had less than 2 weeks to prepare for. All marketing, promotions, etc go right out the window. Promoters then have to scramble to get some attention for what amounts to a new fight.

So yes, money and time is lost. For everyone involved.

As I mentioned before, Vitali never had any obligations to Sam Peter at any time, other than hypothetical that appear in your head.



Secondly you accuse me of adding to the bluster but then you seem to only cast Vitlay in a positive light whenever you get a chance to. I see a double standard here or a bit of hypocrisy at least. Waldo didn't do shit but survive against Sam Peter. So your reasoning as to how he'd do in a second fight is shit.

I'm a fan of both Klitsckos, but not a hater of their opponents. I'm ok with Sam. As I've said, I find him to be a likeable sort of dude. There is no-one in boxing i can think of that I would say i hate. I have about 12 to twenty favourite current fighters but the rest are all just fine. And I believe I'm fairly realistic about those I favour. Unlike some Klit lunatics, I don't rank either one in the top 10 heavywt ATG list.
That doesn't constitute hypocrisy. I was refering to the way you have disparaged the Klitschkos in other threads. (Indeed not just them, but others whom you dislike get the personal putdown treatment as well.)

As for how the first Wlad fight went, we see it differently. I had it 9 rounds to 3 for Wlad, with Sam only looking good with questionable KDs. We can agree to differ on that, as neither of us will change the other's mind.


A prime healthy Vitlay doesn't take a guy like Sam out in three rounds on his best day. He does that to chinny fighters. Not someone who can climb off the canvas against a 6'6 270lb McCline to go on and win by points. Vitlay doesn't have that kind of power. He has wear down power. Which means dick against a guy like Sam who can take abuse.

Again we have to differ. IMO, Prime Vitali destroyed better fighters than Peter in under two rounds.



Also if you think this is the end you are crazy. What is the most likely outcome here? A) Vitlay walks away for good after failing to finish training camp. Or B) Vitlay takes advantage of the situation to extend this contract out another 12 months citing various injuries the whole way? As far as I know the contract or right now the dialogue doesn't include a clause that states Vitlay forfeit his emeritius bullshitus status in the event of injury. And if it doesn't, you know damn well he'll be dragging this out like it's 2005 all over again.

Why don't we wait and SEE what the actual outcome is.

[thesandman]

Again we have to differ. IMO, Prime Vitali destroyed better fighters than Peter in under two rounds.

Name them.

Kirk Johnson? Nope. Not in that condition. Kirk in reasonable shape lost to Ruiz remember.

Who?