View Full Version : Samuel Peter - Vladimir Virchis for WBC Interim title ?
Artani
07-12-2007, 07:02 AM
Samuel Peter - Vladimir Virchis for WBC Interim title ?
This fight is going to happen after the Maskaav refuse for second time to fight Peter.
Peter know is going to fight for interim title, he dont want to wait any more ! WBC must give chance to Peter and chances are to fight Virchis, McCall or Rahman.
THis is new WBC rankings :
Champion : Oleg Maskaev
1. Samuel Peter ( NABF )
2. Vladimir Virchis ( EBU )
3. Oliver McCall ( WBC Intercontinental title )
4. Hasim Rahman ( NABF Interim title)
5. Juan Carlos Gomes ( Latino WBC title )
Who do you think of this fightters will get chance ?
magnificentdave
07-12-2007, 07:10 AM
Probably the WBC will suggest/mandate Peter fight Virchis,
if that fight will not happen for some reasons then,
I imagine peter's management would be keen on Peter fighting Rahman because he looked so poor in his last fight, but also McCall because he's old and a known quantity, that being said I doubt Rahman's management would want the fight without more tuneups, and McCall is higher ranked and would jump at the chance of a title shot.
Asterion
07-12-2007, 09:53 AM
Virchis is the highest ranked contender, so he'll fight Peter apparently.
I don't know why McCall isn't the highest ranked contender. :huh Wasn't the fight against Sam a title eliminator?
Virchis-Peter......Peter UD12
How good is Virchis' Chin? Never seen him fight. Does he have power? I know he is a big guy but does he have any skill or is he just a big lug like a Primo Carnera?
cross_trainer
07-12-2007, 10:05 AM
How good is Virchis' Chin? Never seen him fight. Does he have power? I know he is a big guy but does he have any skill or is he just a big lug like a Primo Carnera?
He's clumsier than Carnera (who is actually rather underrated skill-wise), and definitely a big lug. Minimal boxing skills from what I have seen of him.
However, he has a very strong chin and a massive punch, so that rather evens it out. EBU champion as well, so at least relatively deserving.
He's clumsier than Carnera (who is actually rather underrated skill-wise), and definitely a big lug. Minimal boxing skills from what I have seen of him.
However, he has a very strong chin and a massive punch, so that rather evens it out. EBU champion as well, so at least relatively deserving.
Thanks.
Asterion
07-12-2007, 10:19 AM
Yes, Virchis would disappoint anyone that is looking for boxing skills in a heavyweight. But sluggers are always needed to flavour a weight division (and now that Brewster is gone, the HW division needs a slugger) and Virchis perfectly adjusts to the role. In the Serin fight he shows some average blocking skills...at least his defense is better than Brewster's. Virchis is a slow fighter that goes forward, he's big and has good power. He presented more problems to Chagaev than Ruiz. Also, he doesn't come in bad shape to fights.
Shpion
07-12-2007, 10:24 AM
He's clumsier than Carnera (who is actually rather underrated skill-wise), and definitely a big lug. Minimal boxing skills from what I have seen of him.
However, he has a very strong chin and a massive punch, so that rather evens it out. EBU champion as well, so at least relatively deserving.
I actualy read some reports from people that watched his last fight with Vidoz and the common notice was that Virchis has slightly improved, especially his defense.
cross_trainer
07-12-2007, 10:36 AM
I actualy read some reports from people that watched his last fight with Vidoz and the common notice was that Virchis has slightly improved, especially his defense.
This is good to hear. Perhaps he'll be ready for Peter after all.
Stinky gloves
07-12-2007, 11:32 AM
What are the reasons Maskaav refuse to fight Peter again?
Shpion
07-12-2007, 11:33 AM
What are the reasons Maskaav refuse to fight Peter again?
Nobody knows at this point, it is al stipulations. One of which 55/45 purse split.
What are the reasons Maskaav refuse to fight Peter again?
Maskaev is having legal issues with management or something. :huh
Shpion
07-12-2007, 12:10 PM
Maskaev is having legal issues with management or something. :huh
Just read on Russian news that Maskaev indeed refused to sign to fight Peter due to unfair split of 55/45 of the $3.2 mil purse. According to Maskaev's team he is willing to fight Peter but only if the split is a standard one which is 70/30. Peter's team is threatning to sue Maskaev.
MrMagic
07-12-2007, 12:10 PM
What if he knocks Peter out :scaredas:
This man has got awesome power, so does Peter.. and I have seen Peter dazed once, this is a possibility.
Stinky gloves
07-12-2007, 12:25 PM
Peter would be pissed off if he agree to fight Virchis for interim title
and at the same time Vitaly sign with Maskaev for regular title.
IntentionalButt
07-12-2007, 12:39 PM
Wait, Maskaev-Peter is OFF? As of when exactly in the last twelve hours?? :scaredas:
Grabonator
07-12-2007, 12:39 PM
What if he knocks Peter out :scaredas:
This man has got awesome power, so does Peter.. and I have seen Peter dazed once, this is a possibility.
Peter has an iron head and maskaev has not the power, not the skill and not the speed of a Klitschko to hurt Peter. Peter can be only hurt by punches that he doesnt see come.
Tom_Tocca
07-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Peter has an iron head and maskaev has not the power, not the skill and not the speed of a Klitschko to hurt Peter. Peter can be only hurt by punches that he doesnt see come.
Same could be said for Virchis...this fight would be great!
hacim419
07-12-2007, 12:47 PM
Peter Vs. McCall would be awesome, McCall might actually Knock Peter out, no way Peter knocks out McCall.
Heavyrighthand
07-12-2007, 01:09 PM
Wait, Maskaev-Peter is OFF? As of when exactly in the last twelve hours?? :scaredas:
I don't think its a certainty that its off, but from the sound of it, it seems to be doubtful, but who knows.
I think Peter and Virchis would be a great fight, but why are they wanting to put Peter in an eliminator with the highest ranked contender, when they've already told McCall that he's a mandatory for that title? Why not make good on the promise to McCall and go ahead and put him in there against Peter? Afterall, he was promised a titleshot, and they are needing someone deserving to fight Peter for the vacated title, right?
Peter vs. McCall not only pits two deserving WBC ranked fighters against each other, it also makes good on the promise to McCall that he's gonna get a titleshot.........and gets that out of the way, clearing the way for the winner to fight yet another fighter who has been promised a titleshot, Vitali. Peter McCall is what they should do, if Oleg don't fight Peter. It would help clean up this backlog of mandatories they have lined up.
But I guess that makes too much sense.
Nobody knows at this point, it is al stipulations. One of which 55/45 purse split.
I think it is $$$$$$$$$$$, I don't blame him either, he should be getting the normal 70/30 split. He would make much more against Wlad or Vitali.
cross_trainer
07-12-2007, 01:16 PM
I don't think its a certainty that its off, but from the sound of it, it seems to be doubtful, but who knows.
I think Peter and Virchis would be a great fight, but why are they wanting to put Peter in an eliminator with the highest ranked contender, when they've already told McCall that he's a mandatory for that title? Why not make good on the promise to McCall and go ahead and put him in there against Peter? Afterall, he was promised a titleshot, and they are needing someone deserving to fight Peter for the vacated title, right?
Peter vs. McCall not only pits two deserving WBC ranked fighters against each other, it also makes good on the promise to McCall that he's gonna get a titleshot.........and gets that out of the way, clearing the way for the winner to fight yet another fighter who has been promised a titleshot, Vitali. Peter McCall is what they should do, if Oleg don't fight Peter. It would help clean up this backlog of mandatories they have lined up.
But I guess that makes too much sense.
The WBC will be tied up for quite a while--long enough for Klitschko or the Ibragimov/Chagaev winner to pick up the rest of the belts. First Maskaev's vacating (will he also get emeritus status? :nut), then Peter-Virchis, then Peter/Virchis-Vitali, then Peter/Virchis/Vitali-McCall.
brooklyn1550
07-12-2007, 01:16 PM
Peter UD Virchis
Peter UD McCall
Shpion
07-12-2007, 01:20 PM
The WBC will be tied up for quite a while--long enough for Klitschko or the Ibragimov/Chagaev winner to pick up the rest of the belts. First Maskaev's vacating (will he also get emeritus status? :nut), then Peter-Virchis, then Peter/Virchis-Vitali, then Peter/Virchis/Vitali-McCall.
For some reason, I would not be surpirsed if wbc awarded Maskaev an emeritus status.
cross_trainer
07-12-2007, 01:21 PM
For some reason, I would not be surpirsed if wbc awarded Maskaev an emeritus status.
The WBC will disqualify itself from unification for the next decade or so at this rate.
Shpion
07-12-2007, 01:24 PM
The WBC will disqualify itself from unification for the next decade or so at this rate.
Actualy, I really hope that somebody can sue them into oblivion so we have less straps to deal with.
Heavyrighthand
07-12-2007, 01:31 PM
Suliaman granting yet another mandatory status to McCall, when he's already got enough mandatories to deal with (two, and counting, backed up), makes one question that guy's reasoning.
Maybe he sees bukoo sanctioning fee possibilities, and not much else.
cross_trainer
07-12-2007, 01:33 PM
Actualy, I really hope that somebody can sue them into oblivion so we have less straps to deal with.
HBO and Showtime should each buy out one or two of the three historically major belts (WBA, IBF, WBC) and refuse to show any fights other than those that involve these three belts. Once in a while, they could work out a unification. The title will be much safer when the guys controlling the programming (unification is in their best interests) are running the show.
geppy
07-12-2007, 01:50 PM
Maskaev has 3 madatory challengers, and it maybe Virchis who fights for the vacant title. What a messed up situation!!!
Virchis is much like Sam Peter, a crude heavy hitter. Virchis very well could win this fight. He can punch big time, and Peter doesnt bother much for defense, but at the same time, the same could happen to Virchis.
Heavyrighthand
07-12-2007, 01:53 PM
Maskaev has 3 madatory challengers, and it maybe Virchis who fights for the vacant title. What a messed up situation!!!
Virchis is much like Sam Peter, a crude heavy hitter. Virchis very well could win this fight. He can punch big time, and Peter doesnt bother much for defense, but at the same time, the same could happen to Virchis.
Right. As screwed up as giving Virchis the shot at the vacated title is, I'd still love to see Peter and Virchis go at it.
Two very crude and powerful neanderthals, flailing away at each other. :good
IntentionalButt
07-12-2007, 02:19 PM
All this bullshit, they should place Vitali & peter together for the belt stripping maskaev
why? it doesn't sound as though he's been the root of the problems.
Maskaev has 3 madatory challengers, and it maybe Virchis who fights for the vacant title. What a messed up situation!!!
Virchis is much like Sam Peter, a crude heavy hitter. Virchis very well could win this fight. He can punch big time, and Peter doesnt bother much for defense, but at the same time, the same could happen to Virchis.
Sam Peter is tailor made for Virchis:a predictable stationary target.
Virchis looks horrible against capable and skilled movers- a rematch with Bidenko or an encounter with Byrd are probably his biggest nightmares.
As for Peter he is totally overrated here on esb IMO.
Of course he can bang,and has pop in his fists,but he for sure isnt as good as a lot of Americans here on ebs think he is.
Peter went the full route with very limited Croation heavy Jovo Pudar,and had two very lame fights with that fat dwarf Toney.
Besides Paolo Vidoz stopped him at the last olympic tournament.
Virchis twice beat that Italian olympian quite convincingly.
Styles make fights,and Peter's style is tailor made for Virchis.
Virchis by ko or tko within 5 rounds.
brooklyn1550
07-12-2007, 02:22 PM
Besides Paolo Vidoz stopped him at the last olympic tournament.
Vidoz beat him via decision
Vidoz beat him via decision
I know.I intended to say that he stopped Peter on his way to win an olympic medal.
Peter lost a point decision to Vidoz,and Calvin Brook was taken out of the fight by Vidoz.
brooklyn1550
07-12-2007, 02:28 PM
I know.I intended to say that he stopped Peter on his way to win an olympic medal.
Peter lost a point decision to Vidoz,and Calvin Brook was taken out of the fight by Vidoz.
How good is Vladimir's chin?
How good is Vladimir's chin?
Well,I for my part think that it is quite decent,but to be fair he looked vulnerable against Sprott,and Vitaly Klitschko once stated in an interview that he had knocked Virchis out at the amateurs.
He for sure can take some decent shots,but he is a human being after all.
Peter surely has a puncher's chance against him.
However,I for my part think that Virchis has the upper hand in firepower,and Peter's style is tailor made for Virchis.
Fighters like Byrd,Gomez,Bidenko,and so on would probably outbox the giant Ukranian quite easily.
Well,Peter isnt a fast mover,and he for sure tends to duke it out with his opponent.Would be a fatal tactic against Virchis IMO.
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