Pacmans not that good

[steelem]

on the 10th round now - just saw the scorecard - have no idea why pacmans ahead - ive got marquez ??

[kerrminator]

JMM won ythat fight quite comfortably imo but Pac is the marketable fighter so money talks and talent walks in this case.

[steelem]

JMM won ythat fight quite comfortably imo but Pac is the marketable fighter so money talks and talent walks in this case.

STILL RATE PAVLIK HIGHER THAN PACMAN

[dan-b]

STILL RATE PAVLIK HIGHER THAN PACMAN

In what respect? Pavlik has a win over Miranda & two wins over Taylor. Compare that to Manny's resume. Theres no comparison. If we're talking talent wise I think both men are pretty one dimensional.

[dwilson]

In what respect? Pavlik has a win over Miranda & two wins over Taylor. Compare that to Manny's resume. Theres no comparison. If we're talking talent wise I think both men are pretty one dimensional.


So is the midle weight division really shit now as well? Damm. Add that to the crap heavyweight division, the mediocre cruiserweight division, the old time light heavyweight division, super middle only has one eliter fighter, light middle is a lost cause, light welter is a joke, lightweight has an average 36 year old at the top of the tree. Boxing really is in a shit state at the moment, only the little guys are any where near good.

[scurlaruntings]

In what respect? Pavlik has a win over Miranda & two wins over Taylor. Compare that to Manny's resume. Theres no comparison. If we're talking talent wise I think both men are pretty one dimensional.Both men are VERY 1 dimensional. What Pac has accomplished is a great feat though.His risen from flyweight to super feather and had great success as well as carrying his power.But the reality is his nothing more than a slugger with fairly fast hands who likes to throw.It makes for exiciting boxing and theres very few boxers past and present that could handle him.

In a prime for prime matchup though Naz KO`s him mid to late.

As for the Hatton Pac fight thats nothing short of a farce. The only reason why the fight is being mooted is because both fighters stand to make huge sums.Its farcical that Hatton can even consider a super feather as an opponent and yet will not cement 140 against the best contender in his division. Money talks. The bullshit runs the marathon.

[toffeejack]

Pac lost that fight by at 2 rounds IMO.

The judge who gave it to Pac by 3 rounds should be sacked. Pac doesn't impress me at all with his boxing abilities, relies on his power way too much.

No way is he above Calzaghe in the P4P rankings.

[dan-b]

Pac lost that fight by at 2 rounds IMO.

The judge who gave it to Pac by 3 rounds should be sacked. Pac doesn't impress me at all with his boxing abilities, relies on his power way too much.

No way is he above Calzaghe in the P4P rankings.

I don't why people are so surprised by Manny's apparent lack of ability because he has always been that way. He's just a brawler with a jab. I thought he lost the fight last night but he does excite people. I feel he has way over achieved given his size, remember he is essentially a blown up flyweight.

[brown bomber]

I don't why people are so surprised by Manny's apparent lack of ability because he has always been that way. He's just a brawler with a jab. I thought he lost the fight last night but he does excite people. I feel he has way over achieved given his size, remember he is essentially a blown up flyweight. True he's pretty garb... His power and workrate set him aside though. I think he's easy to outbox but has good puinch resistance despite his stoppage losses... he's just a handful but not at all skilful. Seeing Pavlik and Pacman on p4p lists is pretty comical considering both have so little relative skill.

[BoppaZoo]

Yeah i must admit you must be pretty shit to beat 3 Future Hall of Fame fighters all ranked inside the top ten at one or another time.

and also you must be pretty useless as a fighter to go from winning a Flyweight World Title to a Super Featherweight world title.

You guys a Priceless.

Im still laughing.

Yeah when i think of Pacman yeah Garbage is the perfect word to sum up a Ring number #2 for the last 2 years.

I suppose you feel Calzaghe should be ranked higher than this garbage fighter who has fought and won titles in what 5 weight class's.

Laughable.

[Carlos Primera]

Actually, i think Pac has worked wonders with such a limitd range. he deserves a lot of kudos for that.

But do you think that either the Barrera or Morales of their first fight wouldn't have blasted Pac away?

So, full credit to Pacquaio for over-achieving. But, if he didn't hit so hard, he would have been beaten senseless by JMM. it was only his power keeping him in the fight in some portions and the hesitancy it bred in Juan.
barrera would always have trouble with pacquiao style's wise prime or not. he was never as good a counterpuncher as marquez. morales would probably have outboxed him, but would'nt put him away. just cause of a close fight, against a guy with a styles advantage over him in jmm, he's garbage all of a sudden?

[BoppaZoo]

Actually, i think Pac has worked wonders with such a limitd range. he deserves a lot of kudos for that.

But do you think that either the Barrera or Morales of their first fight wouldn't have blasted Pac away?

So, full credit to Pacquaio for over-achieving. But, if he didn't hit so hard, he would have been beaten senseless by JMM. it was only his power keeping him in the fight in some portions and the hesitancy it bred in Juan.But Power,Heart,Determination all play there parts to being a Great Fighter.

Pacman will be going to the Hall of Fame. So having said that he isnt Not that good as this thread states.

He is a Great.

[brown bomber]

But Power,Heart,Determination all play there parts to being a Great Fighter.

Pacman will be going to the Hall of Fame. So having said that he isnt Not that good as this thread states.

He is a Great. My complaint is his lack of technical ability... he's a gr8 for sure but I don't find him pleasing to watch... Ur a fan totally understandable and he uses his assets well but I was gutted watching him beat an ageing but ultimately superior MAB and a shot Morales. His resume and achievements speak for themselves but he isn't that good technically.

[brown_bomber]

i had it the same as the other judge did 114-113 for pac

[scurlaruntings]

My complaint is his lack of technical ability... he's a gr8 for sure but I don't find him pleasing to watch... Ur a fan totally understandable and he uses his assets well but I was gutted watching him beat an ageing but ultimately superior MAB and a shot Morales. His resume and achievements speak for themselves but he isn't that good technically.Thats PRECISELY how i see it.I guess where pureists.:verysad

[Carlos Primera]

My complaint is his lack of technical ability... he's a gr8 for sure but I don't find him pleasing to watch... Ur a fan totally understandable and he uses his assets well but I was gutted watching him beat an ageing but ultimately superior MAB and a shot Morales. His resume and achievements speak for themselves but he isn't that good technically.
thats understandable. pacs just blessed with physical gifts that make up for the lack of technical ability.

in part what made that fight great was that his style complemented jmm's well. would'nt have been as good a fight if we had another mover/counter puncher in there with marquez.

a third fight is needed

[brown bomber]

Jeff,

How's your general writing skills?Ok - i know what i mean most of the time... Why? :huh

[brown_bomber]

most of you on this forum were hatin on mayweather before he fought with hatton saying mayweathers going to lose blah blah blah and now your hating on pac toooooooooooo

[steelem]

im not hating pac at all - he seems impressive in spells - i just dont see him as a number 3 p4p in the world

[brown bomber]

im not hating pac at all - he seems impressive in spells - i just dont see him as a number 3 p4p in the world:good

[kerrminator]

People seem to forget that only 3 of Pacs last 9 opponents were coming off a win and I truly believe his level of opposition whether they be past it or too small or whatnot has been the main reason he has looked good. Some people have been saying that recently he is clearly more skillful that he used to be but I reckon JMM put that theory to rest last night.

[LB3000]

My complaint is his lack of technical ability... he's a gr8 for sure but I don't find him pleasing to watch... Ur a fan totally understandable and he uses his assets well but I was gutted watching him beat an ageing but ultimately superior MAB and a shot Morales. His resume and achievements speak for themselves but he isn't that good technically. Surely looking at their achievements is a major factor when judging a fighter? He definataly deserves his place in the p4p list and I don't understand how some people can question that. Would you guys would have someone with more skill but has been less successful over him in a p4p list? Regarding the fight, I had Marquez just about winning the fight by 1 point.

[brown bomber]

I just quite enjoy your little dissections of fights and fighters. Wondered if you did much writing. :D:p Thank you.... Not enough... I can write much better then I do on here but most of the time i'm juggling work or my xbox360- appreciated though :good

[brown bomber]

Surely looking at their achievements is a major factor when judging a fighter? He definataly deserves his place in the p4p list and I don't understand how some people can question that. Would you guys would have someone with more skill but has been less successful over him in a p4p list? Regarding the fight, I had Marquez just about winning the fight by 1 point. It depends whether your P4P list is based on achievement or ability.

[steelem]

It depends whether your P4P list is based on achievement or ability.

p4p always has to be about ability doesnt it - the achievement comes after

[brown bomber]

p4p always has to be about ability doesnt it - the achievement comes afterThats the point.... either you rate people on ability or you rate them on achievement... Or you put it all together and try and come up with some sort of combination.... and thats where the problem lies.... Some people will be impressed with big name victories regardless of the manner in which they get them- others like me- are more impressed with the WOW factor of a performance. Luckily when you have a guy like Mayweather who combines wow with names there can be no arguments about the number one... But go back 5-6 years and you had De La Hoya turning in the p4p performances and Pernell with all the titles and names it was very hard to pick the number one guy.

[BoppaZoo]

My complaint is his lack of technical ability... he's a gr8 for sure but I don't find him pleasing to watch... Ur a fan totally understandable and he uses his assets well but I was gutted watching him beat an ageing but ultimately superior MAB and a shot Morales. His resume and achievements speak for themselves but he isn't that good technically.Yeah but his speed and Power are better than P4P PBF's were Floyd is better in other area's.

And when you look at who has fought and won against i have to say he is in a class with the all time greats.

Imagine if he fights beats Diaz then beats someone like Guzman.

That will shut the nay sayers up. I mean going from Flyweight to win a Lightweight Belt would be like a how Roy Jones went on to win a Heavyweight title. Yet Jones never fought 3 Future Hall of Famers to do it.

It comes down to me as im not a Purist and in fact i feel guys like Mayweather and co make our sport boring. Were guys like Pacman bring excitement everytime they get in the Ring.

I would much rather watch
Pacman'
Pavlik
Katsidis
Cotto
Vazquez

Than watch say
Dawson
Hopkins
Mayweather
Calzaghe
etc.

But hey each to there own.

[brown bomber]

Fair enough- I think i'm probably the only person on the forum who has watched Hopkins-Tarver multiple times.

[dwilson]

Fair enough- I think i'm probably the only person on the forum who has watched Hopkins-Tarver multiple times.




You sick sick sick twisted awful fool, I bet you watch Wlad vs Sultan all the time as well.

[scurlaruntings]

Fair enough- I think i'm probably the only person on the forum who has watched Hopkins-Tarver multiple times.You are not. I was watching that fight the other night. It one of my favoruite fights in my collection. Tarver got simply taken to school on the inside and the outside.

[riot187]

Gotta admit that I thought Marquez was robbed once again although I probably wouldn't have argued with the draw this time. Thought it was actually a closer fight than the first one. Now if only Marquez hadn't got nailed in that 3rd round. I wonder how many rounds Marquez actually won in both fights? I, like most, had him two points up in this one, and that's with a 10-8 in the third. I wouldn't mind watching both back and re-scoring them. That might be interesting. Then again perhaps I'm just sad!

[UK2004]

It seems very blatant from the posts here talking about prime Barrera beating Paqcuiao that you forget they fought first in 2003 and Pacman battered Barrera into submission, this was the Barrera that had only lost to Junior Jones and Morales and had since beaten Morales and suddenly you speak as if Pacman fights has-beens, what a joke, get your knowledge correct.

Many qualities make great fighters, in them I include some of Pacmans qualities, hand speed, foot speed, power, head movement, aggression. Yes he may be un-orthodox and over commit but he's a brutal animal with brutal power and he's a crowd pleaser, an increidble athlete.

[Farmboxer]

Marquez is a very good boxer, better skills that Pac.

[brown bomber]

if you think that was a prime barrera in the ring with pac first time round your having a laugh. He had a shocking night and turned in a shit performance. Nice try though-

[brown bomber]

You sick sick sick twisted awful fool, I bet you watch Wlad vs Sultan all the time as well.I'm not that bad... that was awful.

[brown bomber]

That will shut the nay sayers up. I mean going from Flyweight to win a Lightweight Belt would be like a how Roy Jones went on to win a Heavyweight title. Yet Jones never fought 3 Future Hall of Famers to do it. He'd actually have to move up to Welter to simulate the weight difference between his first title and such a victory. Can't see him rolling Cotto or Mayweather any time soon.

[brown bomber]

It seems very blatant from the posts here talking about prime Barrera beating Paqcuiao that you forget they fought first in 2003 and Pacman battered Barrera into submission, this was the Barrera that had only lost to Junior Jones and Morales and had since beaten Morales and suddenly you speak as if Pacman fights has-beens, what a joke, get your knowledge correct. Sorry Mr I picked Enzo to win, Pac to stop Marquez in two and claim that Hatton has no lateral movement.... To suggest Pac beat a prime Barrera and Morales is hilarious.

[dwilson]

I think the problem is that due to how Pac fights we wanted him to be something he is not. He is a great modern fighter who has given us some very good moments but I would not have him on a p4p list. He can still pull in the crowds and entertain more than just about any other non american fighter which means a big deal.

I just hope that HBO or whoever push him and Hatton into fighting each other.

[brown bomber]

I think the problem is that due to how Pac fights we wanted him to be something he is not. He is a great modern fighter who has given us some very good moments but I would not have him on a p4p list. He can still pull in the crowds and entertain more than just about any other non american fighter which means a big deal.

I just hope that HBO or whoever push him and Hatton into fighting each other. I'd like him to fight Valero...

[dwilson]

I'd like him to fight Valero...


Yep that would be great. Would be a chance for Pac to fight back in his home. Valero needs the big fights and we should be begging for this to be made. Still I would like to see Pacman vs Fatman. :yep

[brown bomber]

Pacman -Hatton... almost interested... Still prefer Witter though.

[robpalmer135]

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop.

[brown bomber]

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop. Oh definately... I wouldn't of fancied his chances against Diaz either.. though may have to review that... Watched it the otherday. Campbells tactics were spot on.

[Max Molyneux]

Pac owes Marquez a 3rd fight, JMM was robbed twice.

[steelem]

Pacman -Hatton... almost interested... Still prefer Witter though.

i think hatton would batter pacman so badly it wouldnt go 5 - witter though strong defensive opponent may go distance wouldnt like to pick the winner but perhaps go hatton

[Spearmint Rhino]

:bump

[teeto]

I had this for Pac, I need to watch it again. I remember agreeing with the commentators on the rounds but they had it for JMM and I had it for Pac, which is weird, so I maybe miscalculated

[Spearmint Rhino]

I was trying to find an RBR for the fight because I was reading some thread on the retard room about the 3rd fight, someone claiming that Pacquiao was a clear winner.

Not sure why I bumped this actually, it's a Friday and I've got sweet FA to do.

I'll find the ''Brit forum scores.....'' thread, think I had Marquez by a couple.

[izmat]

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop.

:rofl

[Spearmint Rhino]

This was my card for the second fight the last time I scored, with a wee bit of RBR analysis too.....

Love this one......

1. Even 10-10

Both are slightly tentative in the opening round, Marquez's footwork keeps him at range and forces Pacquiao to lean in with his punches, but doesn't really counter that much with good, solid punches. Each land a couple of good shots, Marquez a few rights and Pacquiao as usual the left.

2. Marquez 10-9.

This is more the type of fight we'd expect, Pacquiao coming forward and looking to unload lots of power shots, Marquez giving ground and looking to punish Pacquiao when he throws the left. In this instance I take Marquez's control of the round and effective lead lefts over the aggressive but not particularly effective Pacquiao. I don't think Pacquiao was particularly hurt at the end, more off balance. Could be 10-9 either way or even.

3. Pacquiao 10-8

In the early exchanges, much like the 2nd round you see Marquez controlling the fight, using Pacquiao's aggression against him at times and making him tentative. Until Pacquiao makes a late rally it looks like it's his round again, then bang! Down he goes at the end of the round, then nearly down again.

Note - one thing I'm noticing is that the Compubox numbers aren't really reflecting what you see in the ring...... Lampley makes a point that Pacquiao landed twice what Marquez did in the first, the reverse in the second, but both rounds to me are pretty close.

4. Pacquiao 10-9.

Marquez to me still seems a bit groggy after the KD in the last round and eats plenty of solid shots early in the round. At times he pushes Pacquiao back, but isn't particularly effective and goes back to his original plan. A decent little rally at the end, but still Pacquiao pretty clearly.

5. Marquez 10-9.

Back to the sort of fight Marquez wants. His defence is generally sound and he causes Pacquiao to lose patience and counters with some really good right hands. Most of Pacquiao's punches fall short, the ones that land are generally rolled or not right on the button.

6. Marquez 10-9.

Marquez's best round of the fight so far, he's toying with Pacquiao at times, controlling the range, and taking the left hand away completely almost. Lands some very good left hooks of his own. The commentators make some good points about how the gameplans of the two are working.

7. Even 10-10.

Hard round to score, both have their fair share of success on the outside, and when they both open up on each other. Not sure what fight Emanuel Steward is watching right now.

8. Marquez 10-9.

Again, Marquez is controlling the pace and form the round takes. Pacquiao cut early, takes him completely out of his rhythm as he spends lots of time clowning Marquez lands some solid shots in combinations. Looks like Pacquiao might be wearing down......

9. Pacquiao 10-9.

Much like the 7th round, a hard round to score, with both men having their share of success. Marquez controlled, Pacquiao wild. In this instance I sense Pacquiao doing more damage than Marquez, and score as such.

10. Pacquiao 10-9.

Is Marquez starting to fade? He has his moments in this one but generally he's on the retreat as Pacquiao starts to get his left hand going.

Note - this fight is a lot closer than I remember it being!

11. Marquez 10-9.

The battle of the right hands, Marquez wins. Pacquiao throws plenty more but isn't particularly accurate barring a late rally. I prefer his economy and accuracy over the hustle and bustle from Pacquiao.

12. Marquez 10-9.

Probably Marquez's 2nd best round of the fight, avoiding some wild left handed haymakers from Pacquiao and landing good punches of his own, especially the uppercut.

Summary - a great fight with something for everybody, blood, guts and skill in equal measure. Lots of the rounds can be scored on what you prefer - and is certainly closer than I remember it being live. It only enforces how bad the decision was in the first fight, and how much Pacquiao had improved in those years since then.

Juan Manuel Marquez 115-114 Manny Pacquiao

[Bryn]

Thi thread is amazing! :lol:

[wow_junky]

Nice bump :lol:

[ImElvis666]

Some hilarious posts in this thread! :lol:

[sud2002]

Haha just read the first few posts!

[skel1983]

Ha you have to laugh but we all make big mistakes now and again with our opinions, but Pavlik better than Pac. Nice! :lol:

[Flea Man]

SHOCKING!!!! But slightly understandable.

I had it to Marquez 115-112 both times I scored it.

[Bryn]

I can't laugh at too many in this thread, someone could easily dig up some of my posts and be like :patsch

[Uncle Rico]

Just read through this thread. Wow. Just wow.

I understand that Pac, since late 2008, has gone on to reach levels far beyond what we thought he was capable of. But, the extent to which he was being underrated in this thread, even back in 2008, is shocking. Proper shocking. I mean, Joe fucking Calzaghe above Pacquiao in the P4P rankings? Were you serious? Kelly Pavlik?

:lol:

[Smudger]

:rofl
At the time I'd say that was a fair assessment. It is funny to look back though, I know I thought Pac would lose to DLH, Hatton and Cotto...

[Manning]

Hatton beats Pac, pac will have no power above 135 and wont be able to take the punishment. his hand speed will also drop.

Oh definately... I wouldn't of fancied his chances against Diaz either.. though may have to review that... Watched it the otherday. Campbells tactics were spot on.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Manning]

i think hatton would batter pacman so badly it wouldnt go 5 - witter though strong defensive opponent may go distance wouldnt like to pick the winner but perhaps go hatton

:lol:

[izmat]

At the time I'd say that was a fair assessment. It is funny to look back though, I know I thought Pac would lose to DLH, Hatton and Cotto...


true but Rob now thinks Pac's punch resistance and power above 135lb is due to PED's

[Fat Moe]

WTF jeff Barrea wasn't in his prime in the first fight? he was coming off his best win streak of his career!

[trotter]

What you have to remember is that the Oscar fight was seen as an absolutely outlandish freak show when it was made

It's easy to forget how truly staggering that performance was, how Pac redefined conventional wisdom about moving up in weight

Like Usain Bolt, Pac has made the extraordinary seem ordinary

[Fat Moe]

i think people are biased towards style here, had pac been a conventional text book fighter his win over barrera would have been seen as a masterpiece and his fights with jmm would have been called technical chess matches

[PowerPuncher]

People are laughing but BB and Scurl are right about Pacquaio's technical deficiencies

WTF jeff Barrea wasn't in his prime in the first fight? he was coming off his best win streak of his career!

He was still past his best, his performance in the Morales rematch was well below the performance of fight 1 (many feel the 2 fights decisions should be reversed) don't think he'd ever win against Pac though

[Fat Moe]

People are laughing but BB and Scurl are right about Pacquaio's technical deficiencies



He was still past his best, his performance in the Morales rematch was well below the performance of fight 1 (many feel the 2 fights decisions should be reversed) don't think he'd ever win against Pac though

thats bullshit its like saying you expected pac to beat de la hoya, pac was a no name wild brawler who barrera was supposed to outbox after beating such fighters as Naz Hamed, Morales, Tapia and Kevin Kelly.

The first Barrera fight is pacquiaos best win ever.

[Fat Moe]

People are laughing but BB and Scurl are right about Pacquaio's technical deficiencies





How about the part about Diaz and hatton and Katsidis beating pacquiao? or the part where some dude says he rates pacquiao the same as kelly pavlik and pac doesnt belong in the p4p rankings and jeff agrees? :lol:

I used to hate pac but i never denied his skills, you have to be extremely talented to pull off the shit he did against those type of fighters.

[lirva]

i lost 6k on the pac vs dlh fight.

genuinely thought dlh would spark him out with a left hook. pac had been handled twice by jmm and by morales, moving up 2 weight divisions, oscar coming down with huge height and reach advantages.

hardly anyone gave pac a chance

[PowerPuncher]

thats bullshit its like saying you expected pac to beat de la hoya, pac was a no name wild brawler who barrera was supposed to outbox after beating such fighters as Naz Hamed, Morales, Tapia and Kevin Kelly.

The first Barrera fight is pacquiaos best win ever.

Don't get me wrong I didn't think at the time he'd beat MAB, in retrospect I don't think any MAB beats him BUT MAB wasn't at his best either. MAB also had a shit camp after the forrest fires around his camp. And no I thought DLH-Pac was a joke, I remember Forrest when he was 154lb WBC champ saying 'can I fight JMM then' and everyone pissing themselves laughing

How about the part about Diaz and hatton and Katsidis beating pacquiao? or the part where some dude says he rates pacquiao the same as kelly pavlik and pac doesnt belong in the p4p rankings and jeff agrees? :lol:

I used to hate pac but i never denied his skills, you have to be extremely talented to pull off the shit he did against those type of fighters.

Didn't see that, many people didn't think Pac would carry 135/140/147 too well, they realy didn't realise that at 130 he was 144lb man who cut to 130, I've picked Manny over everyone bar DLH since his Morales 2 win (including JMM who I had beating him). Juan Diaz and Katsidis were pretty well regarded back then too, I remember people scoffing at the idea Khan could hang with them (I picked Khan to be P4P top10 coming into his MAB fight)

EDIT: Pac was always P4P, I think they were objecting to him being top3 and saying he shouldn't be rated over JMM who many impartial fans believed had just beat Pac. I didn't agree with Pavlik being above him, but Pavlik pre-BHOPs was seen as the new Monzon, undefeated, beat the man who beat Hopkins, beat that big black latino when he was hyped (forget his name). Calzaghe being rated over Pac at that time was also not such a bad call

I remember making a thread after Pacquaio lost to Morales and talking about who would be P4P top5 in 5 years time. People laughed at me for including Pac's name, but based on his age I picked him (I didn't think he'd go onto to do near what he's done ofcourse). I think I included Taylor and Guzman in that list, which proved to be wrong ofcourse

[Flea Man]

Everything PowerPuncher has said there is completely spot on.

[Earl-hickey]

I laughed at Pavlik and Pacquiao being equals

[Rutzini]

I laughed at Pavlik and Pacquiao being equals

:deal Surely its incomparable (is that a word?) Pacman is a ATG. Kelly - great fights but really? Win lose or draw over the years it's been top stuff.
Someone posted that Pac v Morales I and it was even carnage back then even though he lost - he hasn't stopped since, the people he's beat and the way he beat them is great. Well done pac man, I'll back ya, you are that good, I dont think any fighter at the moment can match it.

Well there you go :p

[madkillaz692000]

I'm having a good laugh.

[onourway]

It's threads like this that make me laugh when I then see people giving predictions as if they're fact.

Boxing is so unpredictable and it truly is the one sport where somebody can look awful/past it one fight and then absolutely superb/world class the next fight.

[skel1983]

Don't get me wrong I didn't think at the time he'd beat MAB, in retrospect I don't think any MAB beats him BUT MAB wasn't at his best either. MAB also had a shit camp after the forrest fires around his camp. And no I thought DLH-Pac was a joke, I remember Forrest when he was 154lb WBC champ saying 'can I fight JMM then' and everyone pissing themselves laughing



Didn't see that, many people didn't think Pac would carry 135/140/147 too well, they realy didn't realise that at 130 he was 144lb man who cut to 130, I've picked Manny over everyone bar DLH since his Morales 2 win (including JMM who I had beating him). Juan Diaz and Katsidis were pretty well regarded back then too, I remember people scoffing at the idea Khan could hang with them (I picked Khan to be P4P top10 coming into his MAB fight)

EDIT: Pac was always P4P, I think they were objecting to him being top3 and saying he shouldn't be rated over JMM who many impartial fans believed had just beat Pac. I didn't agree with Pavlik being above him, but Pavlik pre-BHOPs was seen as the new Monzon, undefeated, beat the man who beat Hopkins, beat that big black latino when he was hyped (forget his name). Calzaghe being rated over Pac at that time was also not such a bad call

I remember making a thread after Pacquaio lost to Morales and talking about who would be P4P top5 in 5 years time. People laughed at me for including Pac's name, but based on his age I picked him (I didn't think he'd go onto to do near what he's done ofcourse). I think I included Taylor and Guzman in that list, which proved to be wrong ofcourse


:huh

If anything 130 fighters probably need to come down further than 144, everyone knows that 99% of fighter cut alot of weight and are a good 14-20 lbs heavier than what they fight at.

Look at Gamboa he cuts down from over 160.

[weegriffin]

:huh

If anything 130 fighters probably need to come down further than 144, everyone knows that 99% of fighter cut alot of weight and are a good 14-20 lbs heavier than what they fight at.

Look at Gamboa he cuts down from over 160.

Does Gamboa really cut down from 160? Does he not weigh about 130-140 on fight night. But there was a lot threads in the general about gamboa moving up, he must really struggle to make weight if he is that big.

[skel1983]

[quote=skel1983;11103439]:huh

If anything 130 fighters probably need to come down further than 144, everyone knows that 99% of fighter cut alot of weight and are a good 14-20 lbs heavier than what they fight at.

Look at Gamboa he cuts down from over 160.[/]

Does Gamboa really cut down from 160? Does he not weigh about 130-140 on fight night. But there was a lot threads in the general about gamboa moving up, he must really struggle to make weight if he is that big.

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[skel1983]

Why do boxers lie about there height as well just looking at Gamboa's details when he was arrested he was 160 lbs and says he is 5'4 but he is listed as 5'5 1/2 on official boxing sites. :lol:

[skel1983]

Here is another boxer who pretends to be bigger than they are. :lol:

Lara on this police report says he is 5'8 but again he is officially listed as 5'10. :D

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[Farmboxer]

Pac has Void "The Woman Beater" on the run.......................Void knows he would get knocked out by Pac................