Who is the greatest Mexican ...Marquez Barrera or Erik?

[Krisv1]

Marco gets the nod for me, his win over Hamed does ir for me. Something I belive if the other 2 would have tried they would have got KOD.

[boxbox]

EM for me... the personality, guts, attitude in the ring.. true warrior!!!!

[puga_ni_nana]

barrera based on resume and accomplishments.

[Boom_Boom]

Morales by far

[bmf95b]

Emiliano Zapata......

[Haye]

Morales
Barerra


Marquez

[jc]

Marco Antonio Barrera.

[knockout]

Barrera.

[main man]

EM:bbb

[Hrak]

Morales

[Dude]

morales

[warrior85]

barrera,morales,marquez

[EpsilonAxis]

Morales is probably the best overall as far as competition and skills. He's also the only one to actually beat Pac.

I like Marquez the best, and I think he probably has the most skills out of the three. He is just a master in the ring.

[PH|LLA]

barrera
morales



jmm

[stevebhoy87]

morales though jmm may be the most skilled

[Chert]

no question, jmm is the most skilled of the three but that is just one attribute of a great fighter. but if you add up all of the other attributes, then imho, erik comes first, followed very closely by barrera and then a gap to marquez.

[Minotauro]

Barrera closely followed by Morales no disrespect to Marquez but his resume is not even close to these two.

[goldenboy]

morales...

[jecxbox]

Erik Morales

[EpsilonAxis]

I tend to put Marquez up there with both of them.

Please note that Barrera lost to Pac, Morales, and Marquez. Barrera has a great resume, and so does Morales, but I think Marquez has the best skills out of the three, with Morales probably being the overall best.

Morales was the most fun to watch, Marquez was the most masterful to watch, and Barrera is pretty much a mix between the two.

[the_what]

Barrera

[Zakman]

Barrera

[vegasdude]

In this Order
Erik M - future boxing hall of famer - a warrior
MAB - future boxing hall of famer - a great technician
JMM - this guys only claim to fame was fights with PAC and saw the canvas 4 times.

[Michael Vick]

don't forget that em beat pac when he was past his prime and when he lost the last two he went out like a fucking man. Uhh, sitting on his ass, shaking his head when his corner told him to get up and beat the count in the third round isn't exactly the epitome of going out like a fucking man.

[Circa]

El terrible

[Carlos Primera]

toss up between barrera/morales

but marquez is the most skilled out of the 3

[Quik]

Morales, Morales and Morales. In that order.

[Carlos Primera]

marquez is definitely the most skilled out of the 3. just a complete fighter who can do a lot more in the ring compared to morales and mab.

[brooklyn1550]

ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales (too close to call)
HEAD TO HEAD: Juan Manuel Marquez

[Asterion]

Barrera.

[Fedor Em]

Morales
Barrera
Marquez

[Big Ears]

Morales

[thewoo]

Morales.

[vegasdude]

Uhh, sitting on his ass, shaking his head when his corner told him to get up and beat the count in the third round isn't exactly the epitome of going out like a fucking man.

WTF, EM had the most balls against PAC and beat him on the first fight CONVINCINGLY. Barrera ran like a bytch on the 2nd fight and JMM would not engage. EM was fighting to win and take PAC's head off.

[fitzgeraldz]

Morales
more skill, more power, more will to win, and more savvy ...

he's beaten every guy that Barrera has lost to and has better level of competition than Marquez.

His only L's came to Barerra, Pacquiao, Diaz, and Raheem ... Diaz and Raheem were lightweights and were naturally bigger than Morales.
You can dispute all 3 fights with Barerra even though he got a win ... he probably shouldve taken 2 of the 3.
He lost convincingly to PacMan but by then he was already finished.

I like Morales alot more than the other two...

He had a great jab ... great right hand ... great head and shoulder movement ... good foot work ... all around great fighter.

He's up there with Sanchez and Chavez ... not as many fights but he did what he accomplished alot before the age of 30. Alot more than any fighter i've seen. You count in a DLH and PBF ... but they never been in as many wars.

I wish he wouldn't have retired ... just took some time off between fights and regrouped instead jumping back into the trenches.

[fitzgeraldz]

WTF, EM had the most balls against PAC and beat him on the first fight CONVINCINGLY. Barrera ran like a bytch on the 2nd fight and JMM would not engage. EM was fighting to win and take PAC's head off.

I agree Morales ... went out on his shield and had no regrets ... he never ran and gave as much as he could. He never once thought just about surviving and finishing like Barerra ... no morale victories for Morales ... the only victories that mattered to him was an actual "W"....

[fitzgeraldz]

You see how Barrera tried to call it quits after the Pacquiao fight and no one gave a shit ... all his fans abandon'd him and didn't want shit to do with that man. He bitched up ... I don't think it was ever in his nature to go out like a man ... I don't even know why he took the second fight with Pacquiao to begin with.

It didn't make any sense ... he knew that he wasn't going to win all he wanted to do was finish... I was pissed that I paid $50 for that shit ...
that was the weakest performance ever ... more people wouldve respected him if he wouldve got knocked out !!

Morales wanted the 3rd fight at a catch weight since he had trouble making 130 and shouldn't have taken the 2nd fight at 130 but hey ... it happened and its over now ... but I think a fight at 135 wouldve been too much of an advantage for Morales ...

Shame on Arum for not respecting Morales and knowing the situation.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Marquez
Morales
Barrera

In that order.

[Lar Janus]

Its hard to compare careers that've spanned several weight classes over the course of 15+ years...esp considering these guys didn't all fight each other in their primes. A post-prime JMM decisively beat an old MAB who...basically went even-up w/EM (w/some mileage on him) over 3 fights.

[fitzgeraldz]

Morales - soldier, great boxer, cocky, savvy, and quality opposition - I wish he would come back, he's only like 30 or 31
Marquez - soldier, great boxer, tough
Barrera - he went out like a bitch against PacMan the second time and that killed his legacy to me.

[o_money]

Morales is who I like the most. But I think it has to be barrera.

[o_money]

In this Order
Erik M - future boxing hall of famer - a warrior
MAB - future boxing hall of famer - a great technician
JMM - this guys only claim to fame was fights with PAC and saw the canvas 4 times.

He also beat MAB and is a two division world champoin.

[Addie]

1. Barrera
2. Marquez
3. Morales

[Chileno606]

Marquez

[Daft P]

Very difficult to tell, but I would consider Marquez as the best of the three. I think he could have won against Erik as well.

[o_money]

Greatness is measured by accomplishments coupled with ability.

Marquez has a win over Derik Gainer, MAB, and has won the WBC super featherweight title, the IBF featherweight title and the WBA featherweight title. He's lost to PAC, Chris John, Freddy Norwood, and got DQed in his first fight. So other then his first lost he's lost to decent comp, fought PAC pretty straight up, been a two division world champion and has a win over an old MAB.

Barrera

Titles: 3x WBO Super Bantamweight champ, WBC featherweight champ, WBC Super Featherweight Champ, and IBF super featherweight champ.


Lost to: Junior Jones twice (never avenged), once to Morales, once to JMM (also never avenged), and twice he has got his ass kicked by PAC.

His notable wins: Beat Kennedy McKinney in a life and death war (think this was the first BAD), took the series win over Morales, beat Hamed pretty convincingly, and beat kevin kelly, paulie ayala, and Johny Tapia.


So basically he's a three division world champion with notable wins from the beginning to late middle periods of his career. His best victories are over Morales and Hamed. With the Hamed victory probably being his best victory because of the way he beat him. Problems being that he lost to Junior Jones twice in his prime, to Morales in his prime and got TKOed by pac in his prime (or at least pretty close to his prime).

EM

Titles: WBC Super Bantam weight champ, WBO super bantamweight champ, 2x WBC featherweight champ, WBC super featherweight champ, and IBF super featherweight champ.

Lost to: Barrera twice, PAC twice, David diaz, and Zahir Raheam.

Has wins over: Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, MAB, Kevin Kelly, Paulie Ayala, Jesus Chavez, and PAC.

Is a three division champion. Lost close decisions to MAB in his prime (or one in his prime and the other close enough to his prime for the purposes of this thread), lost to Raheam and got knocked out twice by pac in his late career. His most impressive win is over Pac.

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So how does it all line up in terms of greatness. Marquez is clearly a capable fighter but in terms of greatness, which is accomplishments coupled with skill he doesn't come close to either MAB or EM.

So the rest of this post will be about comparing MAB to EM.

MAB probably fought the better comp while in his prime but he also had four losses while in his prime, one was by split decision to EM, three were not close and one was by technical knock out. Morales' prime losses were to MAB. Both of his losses were close losses. And he never touched the canvas (officially) in his prime which is saying something given his fighting style. And I feel that his win over PAc at the end of his career was more impressive then MAB's win over Hamed. Barrera I has to be given credit for his two wins over Morales but to me thats not enough to get MAB past the fact that he lost three times convincingly in the prime of his career. So my rankings are Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, and a distant third Juan Manuel Marquez.



(For those of you keeping score you'll notice I've change my opinion for my last post)

[Ray Mercer]

Morales is definitely the worst. Barrera decisively beat him in two of their bouts (second fight is arguable) and Morales was totally outclassed by Raheem and savagely beaten up by Pacquiao. Marquez would outbox Morales. Morales is a brawler with guts but the worst technically of the three.

[boxingbull]

marco

[Spitbucket]

Morales had the more exciting style and a great resume,

MAB was the most complete(could Brawl/could box) and had a great resume.

JMM is skillfully superior to both but his resume falls short in comparison.


I'd have a hard time placing these 1, 2, and 3!

[Ray Mercer]

Marquez was never afforded the chances MAB and EM did so obviously he's at a disadvantage in this aspect. It shouldnt measure in to comparing who was the best among the three. The one thing JMM has over MAB and EM is discipline. The common denominator here is Pacquiao and it was that discipline that gave JMM the most success. When comparing the 3 I have to assess it thru that one common opponent of Pac. Pac doesn't hold a decisive win over JMM and was in fact clearly troubled by JMM. Based on that ...

JMM
EM
MAB

Agreed, marquez was avoided by many fighters throughout his career. Every one of his losses are debateable.

[David B]

Morales

[thanosone]

Uhh, sitting on his ass, shaking his head when his corner told him to get up and beat the count in the third round isn't exactly the epitome of going out like a fucking man.
You really are an idiot. I wouldn't expect less from someone with a Vick picture. Erik got to the canvas how? By going to war. Not getting up after putting up a valiant effort isn't going out like a bitch. Erik is the man and anyone who says other wise needs to go watch a novela.

[Ray Mercer]

I thought Raheem embarrased Morales. It exposed his skillset, Morales can go to war but he's not a sound technical boxer.

[Spitbucket]

I thought Raheem embarrased Morales. It exposed his skillset, Morales can go to war but he's not a sound technical boxer.

True, but MOrales was clearly on the way down and was coming straight off two back to back wars against MAB and PAC!

[thanosone]

I thought Raheem embarrased Morales. It exposed his skillset, Morales can go to war but he's not a sound technical boxer.
Raheem broke the Marathon world record in that fight. He finished 27 miles in 36 mins that is fucking amazing. Erik is two times the fighter that bum Raheem will ever be. Yes he is a fucking bum. Main reason he can't get a fight nobody cares for him. Oh yeah and Ray Mercer was fucking garbage.

[Ray Mercer]

Fact of the matter is Morales was outboxed convincingly by Raheem and outbrawled and beaten at his own game by Barrera multiple times. Morales is a technically inferior fighter to both Barrera and Marquez. If you have a round robin between the three Morales wouldn't win a single bout.

[Spitbucket]

Fact of the matter is Morales was outboxed convincingly by Raheem and outbrawled and beaten at his own game by Barrera multiple times. Morales is a technically inferior fighter to both Barrera and Marquez. If you have a round robin between the three Morales wouldn't win a single bout.

To be fair, MOrales does have a victory over MAB and I agree he was '"technically inferior" than MAB and JMM.

I was just arguing that Rahemm/Morales was not a true indication of Morales' skills!

[thanosone]

Fact of the matter is Morales was outboxed convincingly by Raheem and outbrawled and beaten at his own game by Barrera multiple times. Morales is a technically inferior fighter to both Barrera and Marquez. If you have a round robin between the three Morales wouldn't win a single bout.
Have you watched any of the Barrera fights? Only one that was a win for Barrera was the third fight. The first Morales won and the second was a clear victory for Morales too. Outboxed by Raheem how? He landed one shot an ran. How is that outboxing someone. Raheem is a fucking bum. Morales is the top dog. You should show more respect.

[Ray Mercer]

Have you watched any of the Barrera fights? Only one that was a win for Barrera was the third fight. The first Morales won and the second was a clear victory for Morales too. Outboxed by Raheem how? He landed one shot an ran. How is that outboxing someone. Raheem is a fucking bum. Morales is the top dog. You should show more respect.

That's a joke. Barrera was robbed in the first fight with Morales. I thought the second fight was close but Barrera would have won convincingly had he not coasted the first five rounds. Once Barrera picked it up he dominated the second half of that fight. I am not disrespecting Morales I'm just arguing that he is the worst of the three fighters. Spitbucket I wasn't trying to disrespect you and I agree that the Raheem fight is not the only fight you can judge Morales on.

[cola]

morales

but actually its a three way tie

[thanosone]

That's a joke. Barrera was robbed in the first fight with Morales. I thought the second fight was close but Barrera would have won convincingly had he not coasted the first five rounds. Once Barrera picked it up he dominated the second half of that fight. I am not disrespecting Morales I'm just arguing that he is the worst of the three fighters. Spitbucket I wasn't trying to disrespect you and I agree that the Raheem fight is not the only fight you can judge Morales on.
Barrera was robbed? Actually it was Morales that was robbed in the 2nd fight. It could be argued that Barrera took the first fight but you saying that Morales lost the second one, when that fight was the only clear victory of all the three fights means you know shit about boxing. You are the first person that I hear say Morales lost the second fight. Raheem is trash.

[cpnasty]

Barrera

[Ayatollah]

a poll wouldve been nice.

[hellblazer]

Erik Morales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Marco Antonio Barrera

[GalangK]

Too close to call. Marquez is definately the superior boxer out of all of them but the other two have a lot of other qualities that make them great as well.

[Imperial1]

Barrera ,Morales and then Marquez !!

Marquez is the weakest of all 3 !!

[BxN]

Morales > Barrera > Marquez.

[doomeddisciple]

Chavez > Sanchez > Barrera > Morales > Marquez JMM

[Totomabs]

a poll wouldve been nice.

yeah:good

[billyconn]

Ricardo Gonzalo Pedro Montalbán Merino is the greatest Mexican...:hey

[asa]

morales

[runnynose]

I'd love to see all three acting in a Hollywood movie or even in a Mexican telenovela; they all have looks and good, masculine voices. Then they can continue to make good money. I think it will have a good audience. Try showing it in the Philippines. The people will lap it up. Hey, producer, here's a great idea!

[Totomabs]

Barrera edging slightly Morales (although id say its really pretty much even) mainly because of the MAB-EM trilogy (i know results were highly debatable but im sticking with the facts here..)

..and barrera's ring durability/longevity (barrera fought for 18 yrs and is on semi-retirement at 34 yrs old while Morales fought for 14 years and retired at 30 yrs old)

Marquez though more skilled, pales in comparison with both barrera and morales in terms of accomplishments and quality of opposition

question is, where does that leave Julio Cesar Chavez...:think

[kg0208]

Barrera edging slightly Morales (although id say its really pretty much even) mainly because of the MAB-EM trilogy (i know results were highly debatable but im sticking with the facts here..)

..and barrera's ring durability/longevity (barrera fought for 18 yrs and is on semi-retirement at 34 yrs old while Morales fought for 14 years and retired at 30 yrs old)

Marquez though more skilled, pales in comparison with both barrera and morales in terms of accomplishments and quality of opposition

question is, where does that leave Julio Cesar Chavez...:think
Chavez is greater than all 3. And he would have stopped both Morales and Barrera at 130, while taking JMM to a close decision IMO.

[psychopath]

JMM among the three. :yep

[punchdynamo]

I'd love to see all three acting in a Hollywood movie or even in a Mexican telenovela; they all have looks and good, masculine voices. Then they can continue to make good money. I think it will have a good audience. Try showing it in the Philippines. The people will lap it up. Hey, producer, here's a great idea!


Maybe a remake of Three Amigos? Pac could play El Guapo.

[Farmboxer]

Barrera.

[Spitbucket]

Maybe a remake of Three Amigos? Pac could play El Guapo.

:lol:

[runnynose]

I salute all three. But I idolized Salvador Sanchez, Ricardo Lopez and Jose Napoles more. My next tier included JCC, Ruben Olivares, and Vicente Zaldivar.

[aceshigh]

Erik

[Illmatic]

Morales...


WHOEVER SAYS JMM:
Compare resumes and tell me HOW, in ANY WORLD, you could have him over MAB and Morales. MAB and Morales' resumes shit all over JMMs. He didnt deserve a top 10 p4p placement until beating Barrera. YOu dont become top 10 p4p bc you lose to Norwood and beat Gainer and Medina.

[Spitbucket]

Morales...


WHOEVER SAYS JMM:
Compare resumes and tell me HOW, in ANY WORLD, you could have him over MAB and Morales. MAB and Morales' resumes shit all over JMMs. He didnt deserve a top 10 p4p placement until beating Barrera. YOu dont become top 10 p4p bc you lose to Norwood and beat Gainer and Medina.


It's obvious to anyone who watche boxing that JMM is a better, more skilled boxer than Morales.

NOw as far as the resume, it's Eric hands down!

[Illmatic]

It's obvious to anyone who watche boxing that JMM is a better, more skilled boxer than Morales.

NOw as far as the resume, it's Eric hands down!

resume is all; that matters...

i can say that meldrick taylor, just by me watching him, is the fastest, most skillful, blah, blah, blah fighter Ive ever seen, but if he doesnt beat any atgs, then what does it matter?

[Illmatic]

Erik and Marco avoided JMM for too long. They are scared w/ a technically sound fighter like JMM. It took almost a decade for Barrera to take on JMM. Remember they;re almost the same age.

:lol: erik and mab didnt avoid anyone their ENTIRE careers...JMM is the one that bitched out of big fights that couldve been made...only recently did he finally wisen up

and age and ring age are not the same. MAB went pro at 15 and had many more brutal wars than JMM.

[psychopath]

In terms of stature MAB and Morales is definitely greater . . . but ring skills and chin . . . it's got to be Marquez.

[Dynamite Kid]

EM for me... the personality, guts, attitude in the ring.. true warrior!!!!

I agree. Morales was the best. His win over Pacquiao equalls what Barrera did to Prince Naseem. Morales never showed game plans coming into his fight in which his plan was to stay away like Barrera has done in the past. Morales ALWAYS came to fight. And Morales 3rd fight with Pacquiao was WAY better than Barrera's rematch with Pacquiao because at least Morales came to bring it EVERYTIME while Barrera didn't want to engage. Morales went out on his shield while Barrera fought only to survive. So Morales is the best Mexican no question.

[Illmatic]

MAB and EM's resumes overshadows JMM's......not even close.

skills and technique i can see BUT chin? i think MAB and EM's chins are far better than JMM's. JMM recovers quickly because of his great conditioning but his chin is good NOT great. "El Terrible" had a beard!!!

:deal

[Spitfire7]

Poll this.

50%-Erik, 35% MAB, 15% JMM.:yep

[o_money]

In terms of stature MAB and Morales is definitely greater . . . but ring skills and chin . . . it's got to be Marquez.

Chin...chin??? are you serious? Yeah maybe the current version of JMM has a better chin then Morales but shit man have you ever seen any prime morales? Barrera maybe he got the fuck kicked out of him twice in his prime. But prime for prime there are few people more bad ass then Morales. I mean the guy never hit the canvas (officially) until he was weight drained and well past it.

[o_money]

Honestly, I don't care how good JMM's footwork or his balance is prime for prime he gets beat by both Morales and MAB. They just bring so many more intangebles into the ring that it doesn't matter. I mean can you imagine Morales or a young MAB ever allowing Chris John to beat him. Or freddy Norwood? I mean common. It wouldn't matter what they were getting paid or where the fight was, in there prime both these guys were far to bad ass to ever allow some one like that to get the better of them. MAB changed as his career went on but morales never did. Guys I think you need to watch some more prime Morales and MAB before you go saying that JMM is the better boxer.

[Asterion]

In accomplishments, Marquez is far behind Barrera and Morales.

Barrera and Morales have similar achievements, but Barrera winning their trilogy make me have Barrera higher in All Time lists.

[Spitfire7]

Beautiful avatar Asterion. One of my all-time fave album hands-down.:good

[dangerousity]

MAB had best resume except both Pac & Jones beat him very convincingly and he was unable to avenge the loss. The fight with JMM was close and id pick prime MAB over prime JMM. Morales beat both Pac & MAB aswell as a list of B levels and 3 weight world champ, i pick him as the best. JMM lost to guys like Norwood & Chris John when he was close to his prime, he beat an aged Barrera(whom Pac gets 0 credit for as he was old by then) and drew with Pac and lost 1. Resume wise he falls behind and even head2head id pick the other 2 over him, specially Erik.

[dodong]

Could've been JMM with his skills. He just hasn't done enough at this point and time.

[Spitbucket]

MAB had best resume except both Pac & Jones beat him very convincingly and he was unable to avenge the loss. The fight with JMM was close and id pick prime MAB over prime JMM. Morales beat both Pac & MAB aswell as a list of B levels and 3 weight world champ, i pick him as the best. JMM lost to guys like Norwood & Chris John when he was close to his prime, he beat an aged Barrera(whom Pac gets 0 credit for as he was old by then) and drew with Pac and lost 1. Resume wise he falls behind and even head2head id pick the other 2 over him, specially Erik.

THe NOrwood fight I understand, but please don't mention the John/JMM sham unless you really saw the fight and feel that
Marquez really lost.

It that's the case then I'll have to respect your opinion!

[Suge Green]

It's not Barrera...

[Spitfire7]

^^because he's (MAB) a sore loser and a dirty fighter?!?:hey

[Ramshall1]

Morales
Marquez

Barrera

The way MAB ran from Juarez in the rematch and the way he went out with a wimper in the Pac rematch dropped him down to third on my list.

[rendog67]

morales

[thanosone]

In terms of stature MAB and Morales is definitely greater . . . but ring skills and chin . . . it's got to be Marquez.
Not chin. Ring skills yes not chin. Morales chin was godly in his prime.

[brooklyn1550]

Morales
Marquez

Barrera

The way MAB ran from Juarez in the rematch and the way he went out with a wimper in the Pac rematch dropped him down to third on my list.

He shouldn't be penalized for his performance against Juarez: he won and won convincingly. It was a beautiful left handed display from Barrera (left jabs, left uppercuts, left hooks upstairs and downstairs).

And he shouldn't be penalized for running a bit against Pacquiao. He's given so much of himself to the sport and given the fans absolutely thrilling fights. He wanted to survive and last the distance. Who would want to get knocked out in their final fight?

If you weigh this based on accomplishments, Morales and Barrera are clearly a notch above Marquez. They've beaten more world champions, had more significant wins, and won titles in 3 divisions each. But if you weigh in based on head to head ability, you can almost argue for either one. I would put Marquez at the top in this category, as I feel he's slightly more versatile than Barrera and a better technical boxer/counterpuncher.

[Ramshall1]

He shouldn't be penalized for his performance against Juarez: he won and won convincingly. It was a beautiful left handed display from Barrera (left jabs, left uppercuts, left hooks upstairs and downstairs).

And he shouldn't be penalized for running a bit against Pacquiao. He's given so much of himself to the sport and given the fans absolutely thrilling fights. He wanted to survive and last the distance. Who would want to get knocked out in their final fight?

If you weigh this based on accomplishments, Morales and Barrera are clearly a notch above Marquez. They've beaten more world champions, had more significant wins, and won titles in 3 divisions each. But if you weigh in based on head to head ability, you can almost argue for either one. I would put Marquez at the top in this category, as I feel he's slightly more versatile than Barrera and a better technical boxer/counterpuncher.

I couldnt disagree more, how you fight is almost as important as if you win or lose.

Look at how EM and Marquez lost to Pac, they fought with heart and courage and didnt run, that counts alot in my book.

MAB not onlt taped his gloves nearly up to his gloves in Juarez rematch but he jabbed and ran like Fraud Mayrunner, then he ran to survive in Pac rematch. . . like I said he went out with a whimper - Morales went out on his shield. Easy decision for me.

[Suge Green]

If that Barerra-Juarez rematch was on broadcast TV it still would have sucked, through no fault of Juarez...

Barrera as much as admitted to Juarez not being worthy of a real fight with him...which is why he claims he wouldn't fight his trademark style.

That was a $50 joke he played on his fans. :verysad

...and I payed for it so I have a right to say, he can kiss my ass.

[joito3]

Erik Morales was the best of the 3 for me .....

I believe in their primes that Erik Morales would have knocked Marquez out ...

The three amazing fights with Barerra which I feel he won 2 out of 3.... 1st & 2nd fight

He's also the only one of the three to convincgly beat Pacman when he beat Pacman in their first fight

not to mention alot of people feel that he beat David Diaz at 135 for the title but didn't get the nod from the judges

[Robbi]

I couldnt disagree more, how you fight is almost as important as if you win or lose.

Look at how EM and Marquez lost to Pac, they fought with heart and courage and didnt run, that counts alot in my book.

MAB not onlt taped his gloves nearly up to his gloves in Juarez rematch but he jabbed and ran like Fraud Mayrunner, then he ran to survive in Pac rematch. . . like I said he went out with a whimper - Morales went out on his shield. Easy decision for me.

It looks like you don't appreciate smart tactical boxers and prefer every fighter to be full steam ahead.

[Nawfal]

morales easily for me

[o_money]

How you fight is very important. And yes you can make a case for a guy being an excellent fighter not just based on wins and losses. This understanding is what forces people to mention JMM in the same breath as these other guys that have much more accomplished records. But I think for you people trying to say that Marquez is the more technically versatile or skilled boxer and thus would beat EM or MAB prime for prime are not considering everything that is "How you fight". Prime MAB and prime EM fought with intangibles that Marquez just doesn't display. Like the fierce will to win. MAB lost this as his career wound down but for those of you who don't think that he had an incredible will to win and bravery watch the Kennedy McKinney fight. Its one of the best fights I have ever seen and I cannot imagine a guy like Marquez winning it. Watch it you'll know what I mean. Much the same way as Israel Vazquez is not as technically skilled or versatile as Rafael Marquez yet he gets beat by him JMM might be more skilled then Morales but he doesn't have the intangibles to win against him.

Marquez and Barrera in their prime were amazing fighters. Personally, I wouldn't even argue that they were that much worse technically then JMM they just fought in a different way. But what they did they were arguably just as technical or "good at" as JMM is at counter punching and tactical boxing.

[nighthunter]

1.Morales=Barrera




Marquez

[sues2nd]

Ummmm, doesnt the conversation for greatest Mexican fighter start and end with Julio Caesar Chavez???

Of the list tho, I would go JMM, Barerra, then Morales on skill. Barerra, Morales, then JMM on accomplishments.

[Larson]

Morales
Barrera












Marquez

[Asterion]

Beautiful avatar Asterion. One of my all-time fave album hands-down.:good

Thanks.

[Words]

Barrera, because he's the only man to ever beat Naseem Hamed.

[right_hook_roye]

morales
barrera

marquez

[brownpimp88]

he's the ONLY one hamed faced......

and if you think Morales , Marquez and Pacquiao couldn't beat Hamed like Barrera did......
hamed would be a very dangerous fight for pac, i could easily see manny getting ko'd.

[o_money]

hamed would be a very dangerous fight for pac, i could easily see manny getting ko'd.

I could also see Morales getting KOed, which is saying something. If Kevin Kelly and Augie Sanchez had styles that made for great fights with Hamed, just think how unbelievable a Hamed v Pac or a Hamed v morales would have been. I think those fights would have had the potential to make for a "fight of the decade" type war. I could probably lean towards prime Hamed in these fights but they would be epic and close, whoever won.

Marquez beats Hamed the same as Barrera. Maybe not quite as bad but he still wins.

[Shane]

Barrera no doubt.