results like last night turns fans away from boxing

[Dude]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,

[jc]

Nah, it wasnt like Marquez was bashing pac from pillar to post. I think JMM won but not really a robbery.

It was a great fight, im sure boxing gained some new fans from last nights action!

[girv]

Marquez clearly won. How could one of the judges have 115 -112 in Mannys favour?

Totally corrupt.

Horrible decision.

[hmi]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,
Are you moving away from boxing now?

[Dude]

Nah, it wasnt like Marquez was bashing pac from pillar to post. I think JMM won but not really a robbery.

It was a great fight, im sure boxing gained some new fans from last nights action!

It was a close but clear victory for jmm. Similar to when he beat barrera. Somewhat close but jmm clearly won.

I know 4 others that won't watch a fight now.

There loss I guess, but its understandable.

[Dude]

Marquez clearly won. How could one of the judges have 115 -112 in Mannys favour?

Totally corrupt.

Horrible decision.

I seriously dont know what fight he was watching. Judges should be tested for levels of stupidity.

[BoppaZoo]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,Stupid Post and thread.

All i will say is Pacman has fought 2 really close fights with JMM and i feel both fights were that close that i have No problem with the decisions made. And if this fight turned you off boxing well stop watching because i wish there were more fights like this one on a weekly basis.

As for Guzman he is still an overhyped stupid shit that hasnt faced anyone even in the top 50 in the World were as Pacman has now beaten 3 Future Hall of Famers.

Pacman will and if they fight Rock this overhyped little tyson by KOing him within 8 rounds.

Guzman has been hyped up on this board more than any other fighter ive ever seen. you are one that believes the hype. Guzman aint no JMM or Barrera for that matter and he will soon feel the pain when he faces someone of Pacman quality.

[Florida boy]

it was a close fight, i liked mannys superior firepower, and marquez looked like the beaten fighter in the end. add the knockdown and its not really controversial, and i havent read any boxing scribes so far calling it a robbery.

[Dude]

Are you moving away from boxing now?

I dont think that'll ever happen, but others have.

It does make me love boxing a little less. I'm not even a jmm fan but I hate seeing fighters get the decision when they quite clearly lost the fight

[Lampley]

It was a razor-thin decision. I thought Pac deserved to win the first bout by a slim margin and that Marquez deserved this one.

Anyone who uses the word "robbery" has an agenda. Close fights can go either way.

[BoppaZoo]

Pacquaio lost.

End of story.

The scorecard reading 115-112 for Manny was fucking ridiculous. If Pacman won it, it could have only been by a point and only on the basis he got a KD.As far as i Know the official result is Pacman won.


GET OVER IT..............................................

[borimex69]

pac-man won ENDOFSTORY read the scorecards it was a close fight get over it! each had six rounds each ! 114-113 pac-man wins!

[right_hook_roye]

I was acctually rooting for pacman and the fight was acctually really close but I have to admit after 12 rounds I was expecting marquez to win this one

[DaveMorrison28]

Nah, it wasnt like Marquez was bashing pac from pillar to post. I think JMM won but not really a robbery.

It was a great fight, im sure boxing gained some new fans from last nights action!:nononew

I would think fans would be turned off by such a decision. Good evenly matched fight but yet again J.M Marquez was ROBBED. Eight of us watched it with six being huge Pacman fans and all of us thought it a robbery!

Golden boy is the new Don King, mark my words. . .

:tired:tired:tired

[fitzgeraldz]

I don't dispute the decision even though, I thought Marquez won ... it was a seesaw battle and they were going back and fourth ... I think in the middle of the fight Marquez easily banked those rounds ... he was knocked down but that didn't effect him alot, but it couldve influenced the judges from then on.

I mean the judges are human and they couldve easily been persuaded by the knockdown and agressiveness ...

114-113 Marquez ... I think if anything despite it being a split - the second card in favor of Pacquiao shouldve been closer ... if anyone won by a wide margin it was Marquez.

I think now Pacquiao is going to fight Diaz for that faux title.

[DaveMorrison28]

It was a razor-thin decision. I thought Pac deserved to win the first bout by a slim margin and that Marquez deserved this one.

Anyone who uses the word "robbery" has an agenda. Close fights can go either way.

An agenda huh? What a lot of nonsense. It was a robbery and all who saw know this.

[Dude]

Stupid Post and thread.

All i will say is Pacman has fought 2 really close fights with JMM and i feel both fights were that close that i have No problem with the decisions made. And if this fight turned you off boxing well stop watching because i wish there were more fights like this one on a weekly basis.

As for Guzman he is still an overhyped stupid shit that hasnt faced anyone even in the top 50 in the World were as Pacman has now beaten 3 Future Hall of Famers.

Pacman will and if they fight Rock this overhyped little tyson by KOing him within 8 rounds.

Guzman has been hyped up on this board more than any other fighter ive ever seen. you are one that believes the hype. Guzman aint no JMM or Barrera for that matter and he will soon feel the pain when he faces someone of Pacman quality.

Jmm has beaten pacman twice now. Both close, but pacman was quite clearly outboxed on both occasions.

He beat an old morales, I give him the barrera victories, he beat him. He's made his name defeating an old morales and a once prime barrera. He has lost both times to jmm.

What were you watching? Pacman was clearly looking like the beaten man. He knew he got a gift, that's also why he won't rematch jmm.instead he'll move up and fight a crappy boxer in David Diaz.

As for hype on the boards, all boxers get hyped on here, guzman will deliver

[Dude]

it was a close fight, i liked mannys superior firepower, and marquez looked like the beaten fighter in the end. add the knockdown and its not really controversial, and i havent read any boxing scribes so far calling it a robbery.

Seriously? Pacman thought he won the lottery such was he's surprise. He and his corner knew he lost

[KayEpps]

After a fight like that - at was pretty good - fans should turn away from boxing. The fight was that close - I had it 114-113 Manny - due to the kd.

This fight should make people want to watch more of Boxing - not turn them away.

[Carlos Primera]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,
ii'd say that competitive fast paced fights like this actually bring fans to the sport.

shit like ibragimov-klitschko, drive fans away.

[trac209]

the fight was close but it was deffinetly no robbery. i would say that pacs powershot were the factor in making it seem like he was doing more damage. imo jmm won a close one but it's a tossup on how some may have had it.

[richie leon]

Everyone who calls this a robbery isn't thinking straight IMO. I was rooting for Marquez, but i could see a 1 or 2 point advantage either way. It was close, it was compelling and it was just plainly a terrific fight.
Any fan who was turned away from boxing by anything that happened last night had no right to be considered a "fan" to begin with IMO.

[BoppaZoo]

Jmm has beaten pacman twice now. Both close, but pacman was quite clearly outboxed on both occasions.

He beat an old morales, I give him the barrera victories, he beat him. He's made his name defeating an old morales and a once prime barrera. He has lost both times to jmm.

What were you watching? Pacman was clearly looking like the beaten man. He knew he got a gift, that's also why he won't rematch jmm.instead he'll move up and fight a crappy boxer in David Diaz.

As for hype on the boards, all boxers get hyped on here, guzman will deliverI will sit here and say i vividly think JMM won this fight but however i feel Pacman won the 1st fight. Yes he may have outboxed him 70 % out of the two fights but JMM had to get up of the canvas 4 times in 2 fights and thats not a little number.

Your a novice Dude a Novice and both fights were that close that what has happened isnt robbery it is what we call as JMM leaving it in the judges hands becuase as far as im concerned the challenger in boxing has to take the title off the Champ not the other way.

And when a boxer that you say has completly outboxed Pacman yet got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights was the clear winner you are well

FULL OF SHIT.

The fight were close i cannot believe people cant wake up to the fact that all judges are different some reward fighters in different ways but how can a judge rweard a fighter a clear victory especially in the 1st fight when he has tasted canvas 3 times.

JMM left it in the judges hands and he paid the price for not staying on his feet with defense.

Its that simple.

[Lampley]

An agenda huh? What a lot of nonsense. It was a robbery and all who saw know this.

It was not a robbery. Very few people here view it that way. Check out the poll.

You should have seen this forum talking about Casamayor's most recent fight. *That* was a robbery.

This? No way.

[warrior85]

marquez won despite what the judges say,jmm&pacs reactions after the fight speak louder than any words.pac knew he lost.

[borimex69]

y is there so many pacquaio haters? correct me if im wrong but isnt golden boy marquez's promoter and top rank represents pacquaio?

[Lampley]

It won;t turn anyone away from the sport - inexperienced viewers would have taken that Manny had done enough because of the commentary.

The only people it pisses off are neutral observers and hardcore fans of JMM. Actually, it appears most neutral observers thought the fight could have gone either way. Check out the various polls. Don't project.

[puga_ni_nana]

Jmm has beaten pacman twice now. Both close, but pacman was quite clearly outboxed on both occasions.

He beat an old morales, I give him the barrera victories, he beat him. He's made his name defeating an old morales and a once prime barrera. He has lost both times to jmm.

What were you watching? Pacman was clearly looking like the beaten man. He knew he got a gift, that's also why he won't rematch jmm.instead he'll move up and fight a crappy boxer in David Diaz.

As for hype on the boards, all boxers get hyped on here, guzman will deliver


so you feel that guzman's style will generate fans for boxing?

[Dude]

wrong.

fights like last night is what would bring more fans to boxing if they actually saw it.

last night's fight was great for boxing. you could argue who won or lost and the debate would be endless and guess what? all the talk is what interests people in the first place.

you scored the fight 115-112. you're telling me there wasn't 2 rounds that could go either way?

shut the hell up. i'm sick and tired of everyone saying the decision was a disgrace or a robbery! you can say jmm won. that's fine. you can say mp won. that's also fine. what you can't say is that this is a robbery or disgraceful decision.

member since 2005? 60+ posts? may i ask you if you are one of the guys that agreed to stay off for a month if pacquiao wins? just asking.

you scored it 115-112. that's fine. 2 judges scored it the same way. 1 for manny. 1 for juan. 1 scored it somewhere in between.

say that you feel juan won the fight. i can see your point. you have an argument there. but saying it's a robbery or disgrace to boxing? you're either blinded by bias or seduced by siding with a popular controversy or just trying to get people to react.

LOL I dont make stupid bets.

What's my post count got to do with anything?

I dont have any hidden agenda, I just dont like it when a boxer doesn't get the W he desvered.

[VIP]

Turn fans away? Fuck some of you guys are ridiculous. Instead of two fighters receiving their "props", you come on here and all you see is controversy! robbery!

[BoppaZoo]

Turn fans away? Fuck some of you guys are ridiculous. Instead of two fighters receiving their "props", you come on here and all you see is controversy! robbery!Yeah a few of these fans should watch Whitaker vs Chavez or Fenech vs Nelson1.
There robberys these fights were great and me i have no problem with the judges i feel they had to make 2 really tough decisions in both fights and sometimes in fights that are that close they go your way or they dont.

I agree VIP two future Hall of Famers that made me proud to call myself a boxing today.

[Spitfire7]

it was not like dela Hoya against Sturm...:yep

and yes it turned away fans. mostly mexies, i reckon. others can live with it.:good

[Chert]

a razor-thin 114-113 fight either way turns fans away???!!! tsk..tsk..tsk... :verysad

[Dude]

I will sit here and say i vividly think JMM won this fight but however i feel Pacman won the 1st fight. Yes he may have outboxed him 70 % out of the two fights but JMM had to get up of the canvas 4 times in 2 fights and thats not a little number.

Your a novice Dude a Novice and both fights were that close that what has happened isnt robbery it is what we call as JMM leaving it in the judges hands becuase as far as im concerned the challenger in boxing has to take the title off the Champ not the other way.

And when a boxer that you say has completly outboxed Pacman yet got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights was the clear winner you are well

FULL OF SHIT.

The fight were close i cannot believe people cant wake up to the fact that all judges are different some reward fighters in different ways but how can a judge rweard a fighter a clear victory especially in the 1st fight when he has tasted canvas 3 times.

JMM left it in the judges hands and he paid the price for not staying on his feet with defense.

Its that simple.

4 times yes. 3 happened to take place in one round. That's just a very bad round. Doesn't mean a fighter should be discredited for it. He never lost the first fight.

A novice to the boards not the sport. Stupid thing to say
Oh and marquez was the champ!

[Dude]

Turn fans away? Fuck some of you guys are ridiculous. Instead of two fighters receiving their "props", you come on here and all you see is controversy! robbery!
Well I know a few people that won't watch boxing now. Maybe its the first instinct and they'll watch another big fight when it comes along

They're casual not hardcore fans

[CUFreeze]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,

You are an idiot. that was no where near a controversial decision. If you think it was you obviously haven't been watching boxing very long.

[Dude]

just asking.

i understand. should have seen me when i cried over the tua-ibeabuchi decision. ha ha ha

still not a robbery though. wrong? maybe. draw? probably. debatable? absolutely.

I just had it as a close but clear victory in favour of jmm, I thought you could clearly tell who won the round.

115-112 was a disgrace

[Dude]

You are an idiot. that was no where near a controversial decision. If you think it was you obviously haven't been watching boxing very long.
Oh just since 1991. Not long I guess

[BoppaZoo]

4 times yes. 3 happened to take place in one round. That's just a very bad round. Doesn't mean a fighter should be discredited for it. He never lost the first fight.

A novice to the boards not the sport. Stupid thing to say
Oh and marquez was the champ!Your an idiot what the Champ of a lousy alphabet belt against the Ring Champ. Marquez was the Champ was he you truely believe that.

Ha. And yes getting knocked down 3 times in any fight is seen as very bad in the judges eyes let alone it all happening in 1 round.

why should i or judges writers reward JMM for winning say 7 or 8 rounds in a fight were he was getting dominated in the 1st fight.

Im sorry but the more and more i watched that fight the more i seen closer rounds than what other people had it. yeah Marquez won more rounds than Pacman but it wasnt convincing like fans on here would have you believe.

Marquez hurt himself by not staying on his feet and getting caught.

He cant blame the judges as you cant but you can blame JMM or his corner for not preparing properly.

[Toopretty]

All you brits shut the fuck up.

[Lampley]

You're projecting on me, actually. I didn't state an opinion on the back of it.

So, I'll put it in a simpler fashion for you:

Neutral fans are more likely to be pissy about a close fight that is scored unfairly.

Clear enough for you?

My, my. You're awfully sour.

You said that neutral fans would be turned off by the scoring, but in fact most of the posters here have expressed satisfaction with the decision, even if they didn't score the fight the same way. I'm one of those.

The onus belongs to you to explain how you view the scoring as unfair. Of course, you can't do that, because you don't have the grounds to make a solid argument.

Which was my point. Speak for yourself and back up your own opinion, rather than falsely insinuating that there's a consensus about unfair judging.

[Spitfire7]

pwned:lol:

[CJLightweight]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,

dipshit, do you know what robbery is in boxing? refer to katsidis-casamayor, now that is robbery. I can't really bother to explain to every moron like you just refer to the other threads. The fight was fuckin close had it 1 point for marquez, and could have gone either way but even though if i had marquez winning by a point or 2 and he lose it is not robbery, because it was close. Had pacquiao loss, there will be other numbnuts like you claiming that pacquiao should have won and was rob.

The fight last night won't turn people away from boxing, perhaps it will turn ppl with your kind of logic away from boxing and i sure hope so:lol:

[Lampley]

You inferred I had said there was a consensus but I NEVER implied that at all. I said the result would only bother those neutral observers who felt it had been scored unfairly.

At no point have I said that every neutral observer would feel that JMM was robbed, i said that only neutral observers and JMM fans would feel that way. The casual fans and the Pac-fans won't give a shit because they will have viewed it simply as a really good fight.

For the record, i think JMM won it. But that wasn't replying to the thread's topic, i was simply stating that i don't think last night's result will turn anyone away from boxing.

Apologies if my reply was hard, but I don't like people misreading what i say then telling me what i meant.
Oh, OK. You are correct that I misinferred, then. My bad. Perhaps I'm a touch frustrated by all the robbery nonsense (:nut). Fortunately, cooler heads seem to be filling the forum today, which typically is the case.

I definitely agree that fans tuning in last night would be attracted to, rather than repelled from, the sport as a whole. Of course, the original post was another in a long line of emotional ones that lack a rational basis.

[brown_bomber]

Stupid Post and thread.

All i will say is Pacman has fought 2 really close fights with JMM and i feel both fights were that close that i have No problem with the decisions made. And if this fight turned you off boxing well stop watching because i wish there were more fights like this one on a weekly basis.

As for Guzman he is still an overhyped stupid shit that hasnt faced anyone even in the top 50 in the World were as Pacman has now beaten 3 Future Hall of Famers.

Pacman will and if they fight Rock this overhyped little tyson by KOing him within 8 rounds.

Guzman has been hyped up on this board more than any other fighter ive ever seen. you are one that believes the hype. Guzman aint no JMM or Barrera for that matter and he will soon feel the pain when he faces someone of Pacman quality.


:rofl :rofl :rofl

[koko of phil]

The fight was close and it could have gone either way after the 11th round, but I thought Marquez got the last round. JMM won by a point.

But could have the judges based the decision through good impression showing of who was the challenger and the champion? Well if I were one of the judges I might think Pac did well in challenging Marquez by flooring and wobbling the champion, the belt holder who I would thought trying to survive every round. If this match up was too close to call, who would you raise the hand as a winner?

[the_what]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,

Fights like last night is what get fans into boxing.

[C Money]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

,

BULLSHIT:yep

Marquez was never able to sustain momentum. The pendulum swung back and forth and a little more on PAC's side. The KD and difference in power held sway in a close fight.

DREAM ON WITH THAT 8-4 shit:-( Thats utterly ridiculous and ficticious:good SAD BUT TRUE STORY:hey

[Toopretty]

BULLSHIT:yep

Marquez was never able to sustain momentum. The pendulum swung back and forth and a little more on PAC's side. The KD and difference in power held sway in a close fight.

DREAM ON WITH THAT 8-4 shit:-( Thats utterly ridiculous and ficticious:good SAD BUT TRUE STORY:hey

Thank god....now I know I aint crazy. Thanks for chiming in C.

[boxbox]

It was a close but clear victory for jmm. Similar to when he beat barrera. Somewhat close but jmm clearly won.

I know 4 others that won't watch a fight now.

There loss I guess, but its understandable.

DLH vs Sturm( for a clearer case)... and still DLH fights sells like hotcakes! it wont turn them away, it actually creates interest.

[richie leon]

You know, a draw is usually not a popular verdict because people want winners but i would have liked one here. No one would have cried robbery or controversy, and people would have focussed more on appreciating a thrilling fight between 2 of the best in the game.
On the other hand, boxing fans always find a way to bitch about a verdict when a fight goes the distance. In a mild way, i'm doing it here myself.
Still, i would just like to see more appreciating and less bitching in the boxing world, in general.

[hooligan]

i for one thought it was a robbery...but seeing the fight again, well i guess the judges where at a vantage point to see fight more clearly unlike the people who watch in on tv...could have gone either way me thinks but i felt jmm won that one...

[PH|LLA]

the fans who get turned away from boxing after yesterday's fight are immature sore losers and nothing else because it was a great fight and the decision was fair though controversial.

[Lar Janus]

Bullsh*t! Its fights LIKE these that bring in fans! Good FIGHTS help the sport--who won and who lost [the decision] aren't the point; BOTH fighters won, in the sense that they'll get even BIGGER paydays down the road from this excellent performance!

You wanna know what turns people off? Sh*t like PBF-DLH, a $60 ppv with NO action, NO chances taken, and NO decisive winner of an exceedingly boring fight, and to top it off...a whole retarded load of stupid "24" promo nonesense; it is telling when the LEAD-UP to a fight is more exciting than the fight, ITSELF.

[younghov2k4]

the fans who get turned away from boxing after yesterday's fight are immature sore losers and nothing else because it was a great fight and the decision was fair though controversial.

co-sign this.

threadstarter is just :twisted::twisted:. he'll get over it.

[jupzrooni]

Well I really dont care about all these tiny mexicans and philapinos and so on it's not like they have personality or like the fights are exciting it's mostly uneventful with no KO's.

then you don't belong on this thread so STFU

[jupzrooni]

sorry but everything below welterweight is boring unless you have a KO artist like naz come along.

:patsch

[lobk]

sorry but everything below welterweight is boring unless you have a KO artist like naz come along.

STFU. You find it boreing then don't watch. Sure as hell don't comment on it. Apparently it is interesting enough that you had to comment.

As for the original poster, fight like this is what boxing fan look for. Two evenly match fighter ina back a fourth fight. This was a fight of beauty. People who watched the fight with me is asking when is the next big fight that will have two guys like them fighting. In such an evenly match fight there will always be one side screaming robbery when it was not.

[Welsh Dragon]

who ever started this thread fuck off then boxing dont need arses like you about go and support fuckin man utd cause that would be right up your street. cause they havent got a fuckin clue either!!

[Boom_Boom]

So exciting fights and close decisions that could go to either fighter turns fans away from boxing ehhh?


Thank God for guys like Andre Dirrell, Cory Spinks and John Ruiz then.

[Sinew]

:shock:

[bandeedo]

sorry but everything below welterweight is boring unless you have a KO artist like naz come along.
we read your first post, just thought your comment was too stupid to respond to. now you got what you wanted attention whore.

[bandeedo]

you stfu you complete tards

Re: results like last night turns fans away from boxing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

where does it say in the thread title this is about 2 midgets ?

owned and boned dont try and be clever when it's clear you have no braincells

your eloquence is impressive.

[Addie]

sorry but everything below welterweight is boring unless you have a KO artist like naz come along.

Last nights fight was incredible. I don't even think people are giving its due on just how good of a fight it was.

[bandeedo]

this is the last time i respond to one of your posts little girl. i just think it is important to let you know that a little shit stain like you should not be interrupting grown folks conversations. now go watch dora the explorer and leave the grown ups to discuss grown up stuff.

[chimba]

this is the last time i respond to one of your posts little girl. i just think it is important to let you know that a little shit stain like you should not be interrupting grown folks conversations. now go watch dora the explorer and leave the grown ups to discuss grown up stuff.

:rofl Diego in his case

[Archie_Moore]

True story

pacman and his corner knew they lost that fight, seems like Christmas came early for PAC.

8-4 jmm won that fight

Guzman destroys pacman btw,

Marquezs did not win 8 out of the 12 rounds, enless you gave him every single close round. Which shows where your bias lies.

[jupzrooni]

the fans who get turned away from boxing after yesterday's fight are immature sore losers and nothing else because it was a great fight and the decision was fair though controversial.

i agree. those bitter motherfuckers should shut up because they can't change the record books

[jupzrooni]

this is the last time i respond to one of your posts little girl. i just think it is important to let you know that a little shit stain like you should not be interrupting grown folks conversations. now go watch dora the explorer and leave the grown ups to discuss grown up stuff.

:yep