Enzo Calzaghes 'plan' to beat David Haye...

[Dunky McCafferty]

OK, so I have read Enzo Calzaghes attempts at dismissing David Hayes win as nothing more than a "lucky punch" & how if Maccarinelli followed Enzos 'supergameplan' then he would have won this fight easily.

So I ask you brit ESB'ers, what do you think this 'cunning plan' was to beat David Haye? Cos Enzo Calzaghe aint telling.

Lets hear it, & its a serious question. Put yourself in Enzo Calzaghes shoes for a minute, & tell us what strategy you would have implemented to nullify Haye & win the fight.
& I mean it, its a serious question. Feel free to joke if you wish, but Im after some serious answers more than anything.

[rydersonthestorm]

His plan was to get enzo to stick his chin out and let the weak punching haye hit it. lol

Jokes aside i think he thought haye would be weight drained, so he planned to have enzo start at a quick pace and work of the jab and try and outbox haye. The as haye got tired further into the fight get enzo to step the pace up higher and go for the ko.

[faisal]

looking back at it now, i think the night may have gotten the best of maccrennli i'm not suggesting he'd have beaten haye if he was in a better frame of mind but it couldv lasted more rounds, i think calzaghe sr was banking on haye to run out of steam after 5 rounds.

[jc]

If Enzo had got 4-5 rounds under his belt he would have faired much better.

But at the end of the day he was Ko'd by the better man on the night.

[Dunky McCafferty]

His plan was to get enzo to stick his chin out and let the weak punching haye hit it. lol

Jokes aside i think he thought haye would be weight drained, so he planned to have enzo start at a quick pace and work of the jab and try and outbox haye. The as haye got tired further into the fight get enzo to step the pace up higher and go for the ko.

To be honest if I was Enzo Calzaghe, I would have been telling Enzo Macarinelli to 'do a Hatton' get inside early, grab maul & push Haye onto the ropes not allowing him the leverage to launch his hayemakers. Make the fight dirty as hell, & sap a weight drained Hayes leg strength by constantly pushing him back before launching an assault in the second half of the fight.

Haye was the bigger man, with the faster hands, if Enzo Calzaghe told Maccarinelli to stay on the outside & outbox the faster man, I think that would have been tactical suicide, cos he would be fighting Hayes fight.

[rydersonthestorm]

To be honest if I was Enzo Calzaghe, I would have been telling Enzo Macarinelli to 'do a Hatton' get inside early, grab maul & push Haye onto the ropes not allowing him the leverage to launch his hayemakers. Make the fight dirty as hell, & sap a weight drained Hayes leg strength by constantly pushing him back before launching an assault in the second half of the fight.

Haye was the bigger man, with the faster hands, if Enzo Calzaghe told Maccarinelli to stay on the outside, I think that would have been tactical suicide, cos he would be fighting Hayes fight.
I honestly think that enzo thought his man was quicker and a better boxer, to be fair after seeing alot of interviews with im it is hard to tell if he is serious or just fucking mental.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I honestly think that enzo thought his man was quicker and a better boxer, to be fair after seeing alot of interviews with im it is hard to tell if he is serious or just fucking mental.

:lol:

I know, & I agree with you. to be honest just by seeing clips of him training all his fighters I think he trains them all the same way as Joe Calzaghe, & he doesnt realise that guys like Maccarinelli etc just dont have the natural talent his own son has.
Its one thing asking Joe Calzaghe to outbox a a top class opponent, cos Joe Calzaghe has a gift. Hes a natural great fighter.
The same cant be said for the rest in his stable though, & maybe Enzo Calzaghe expects too much from them.

[jc]

Giving Macca a boxing brain will put him in good stead and going in against a big puncher like Dave Haye who has faded late in past fights, it is the right plan.

Enzo Macc is a much better boxer now he trains with The Calzaghe's. He doesnt just rely soley on big rights and body shots, he can work in off the jab. Calzaghe has been good for him overrall, it certainly isnt any fault of Enzo Calzaghe that Maccarinelli got knocked out.

[rydersonthestorm]

:lol:

I know, & I agree with you. to be honest just by seeing clips of him training all his fighters I think he trains them all the same way as Joe Calzaghe, & he doesnt realise that guys like Maccarinelli etc just dont have the natural talent his own son has.
Its one thing asking Joe Calzaghe to outbox a a top class opponent, cos Joe Calzaghe has a gift. Hes a natural great fighter.
The same cant be said for the rest in his stable though, & maybe Enzo Calzaghe expects too much from them.
Lets just hope he never gets rees a fight with mayweather, go on gavin your faster than that chump out box him:lol:

[jc]

Some of the greatest geniuses of all time were complete fruitcakes y'know!:D

[Strike]

What "gameplan"? The gameplan according to Weasel Face before the fight was based on the fact that Mac was "twice as fast", "hits harder", the "better boxer" and that Mac also had the better stamina and chin.

If you are faster, more skilled, fitter, more prepared, have a better chin, better ring craft, a better mentality and you hit harder than your opponent, then what fucking plan do you need? None. You turn up and you win by virtue of being better in every relevant department.

The "plan" was to do what Enzo Mac always does. Jab well, throw nice hard 1-2's, look for the big left hook or over hand right and when the man covers up work the body and yet don't blaze away. Maintain constant and yet controlled pressure without burning yourself out. He always boxes the same. Upright, good jab, good 1-2 and likes to throw the left hook.

Well he jabbed and he threw the left and he looked for 1-2's, he also went to the body when in close. In fact considering how short the fight was he did everything that Mac does in most of his fights.

Problem was that Haye has better reactions and is faster. Haye timed the jabs and avoided almost all of them, he had Mac hitting air and he was the faster, stronger man with more power.

[brown bomber]

He also says he has only seen Hopkins box once and he 'knows' how to beat him... must be coz he's trainer of the year ite'.

[dwilson]

He also says he has only seen Hopkins box once and he 'knows' how to beat him... must be coz he's trainer of the year ite'.


So you are doubting Enzo's ability to come up with a master plan to beat Hopkins?

[brown bomber]

So you are doubting Enzo's ability to come up with a master plan to beat Hopkins?:lol: He's believing his own hype if he thinks he can out wit a vesatile fighter like Hopkins based on watching one fight. Hopkins is going to beat Joe Calzaghe.... If the Zagster beats Hopkins I think he should retire as the best fighter from these shores for many years.. maybe ever. Perhaps a Froch fight b4 he says ta-ta.

[rydersonthestorm]

So you are doubting Enzo's ability to come up with a master plan to beat Hopkins?
I am doubting enzo's abiity to come up with a plan, i just think joe beats him on talent.

[Sly]

What "gameplan"? The gameplan according to Weasel Face before the fight was based on the fact that Mac was "twice as fast", "hits harder", the "better boxer" and that Mac also had the better stamina and chin.

If you are faster, more skilled, fitter, more prepared, have a better chin, better ring craft, a better mentality and you hit harder than your opponent, then what fucking plan do you need? None. You turn up and you win by virtue of being better in every relevant department.

The "plan" was to do what Enzo Mac always does. Jab well, throw nice hard 1-2's, look for the big left hook or over hand right and when the man covers up work the body and yet don't blaze away. Maintain constant and yet controlled pressure without burning yourself out. He always boxes the same. Upright, good jab, good 1-2 and likes to throw the left hook.

Well he jabbed and he threw the left and he looked for 1-2's, he also went to the body when in close. In fact considering how short the fight was he did everything that Mac does in most of his fights.

Problem was that Haye has better reactions and is faster. Haye timed the jabs and avoided almost all of them, he had Mac hitting air and he was the faster, stronger man with more power.

We have a winner. Well said. Enzo Maccarinelli did nothing he'd never done before. He is what he is. He made the same mistakes he always makes and he threw the same punches he always throws. His one danger shot was his counter left hook and that's all he offered on the night (even landed it once, I think). His jab and right hand were much slower and massively inferior to Haye's and, coupled with the fact, Enzo was shit scared of Haye's arsenal, it was no surprise it ended when and how it did.

The only CHANCE ENzo had in this fight was to go forwards early and land something BIG to get Haye's respect. Even then, though, he'd have to somehow get inside a torrent of Haye punches and, the combination of Enzo's upright stance and chin would figure he gets KO'd anyway. He's definitely not a pressure fighter, that's for sure. On the flip, never in a million years could Enzo Maccarinelli outbox David Haye. It just wouldn't happen.

[achillesthegreat]

From what I've seen and heard I think Enzo wanted Enzo to jump on Haye and wear him out. Attrition.

Hayes speed, power, defence etc took away Macs game. Macca got a touch shy and was standing off and boxing with Haye. Haye was bossing it though.

[Tony Harrison]

Joe Calzaghe doesn't seem to approach individual fights with individual gameplans. He can adapt and change his approach during a fight if things are getting uncomfortable but his whole career he has relied on his handspeed and footwork and instincts more than any particular strategy based on his opponents strengths/weaknesses.

I read an interwiew with Enzo C in the lead up to the Macca fight and he admitted that he wasn't the most methodical and classical trainer, encouraging his fighters to use fight to their strengths and basically making sure they are extremely fit above all else.

That's fine with Joe who has all the attributes and superb boxing brain but other less gifted fighters will ultimately suffer from a lack of classical instruction.

For the record all the training and strategy in world wouldn't have stopped Haye winning by KO. Too fast too powerful. I think Enzo is simply talking bollox to salvage the situiation which isn't necessary. Big Enzo seems to have dealt with the defeat little Enzo needs to do the same.

[toffeejack]

He also says he has only seen Hopkins box once and he 'knows' how to beat him... must be coz he's trainer of the year ite'.

Joe has been watching Hopkins for years even his Enzo hasn't (which I really doubt no matter what he says).

[DamonD]

What "gameplan"? The gameplan according to Weasel Face before the fight was based on the fact that Mac was "twice as fast", "hits harder", the "better boxer" and that Mac also had the better stamina and chin.

If you are faster, more skilled, fitter, more prepared, have a better chin, better ring craft, a better mentality and you hit harder than your opponent, then what fucking plan do you need? None. You turn up and you win by virtue of being better in every relevant department.

The "plan" was to do what Enzo Mac always does. Jab well, throw nice hard 1-2's, look for the big left hook or over hand right and when the man covers up work the body and yet don't blaze away. Maintain constant and yet controlled pressure without burning yourself out. He always boxes the same. Upright, good jab, good 1-2 and likes to throw the left hook.

Well he jabbed and he threw the left and he looked for 1-2's, he also went to the body when in close. In fact considering how short the fight was he did everything that Mac does in most of his fights.

Problem was that Haye has better reactions and is faster. Haye timed the jabs and avoided almost all of them, he had Mac hitting air and he was the faster, stronger man with more power.
Damn...that pretty much nails everything.

I would also add "fight better opponents beforehand" in terms of what would've increased Macca's chances to beat Haye. I was fine with someone like Braithwaite, but too many of Enzo's fights between his 'introduction' to boxing fans when punching out Bruce Scott in 2003 and now did absolutely nothing for his development as a fighter.

The weak-sauce ****** WBU & WBO approach to building up a boxer really let Macca down the most.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I never believed Macarinelli could win this fight based on what I have seen from him in the past. Styles make fights. For Enzo to win he would have needed to try and prolong the fight and take it into the last quarter hoping Haye was drained making the weight. This was a very slim chance. Haye has always been bigger, stronger, faster, better puncher and boxer in my opinion. That is not say Enzo is a bad fighter as he is far from being a bad fighter rather some guys just have your number. As for Enzo Calzaghe his failure to recognise Haye's talent was a serious mistake. By way of example I am not a fan of Junior Witter at all not just because of Ajose Olusegun my guy however not being a fan of a particular fighter must never make me a blind to their qualities otherwise you might miss something critical. If Witter and Hatton fight I would be hoping Hatton wins but my boxing brain tells me that this is a difficult one for Hatton to win.

[Dibbs]

Well you know what they say about the best laid plans!! In the Enzo Calzaghe interview he just contradicts himself. One moment he says "I think the same of Haye as I did before. If Enzo went 12 rounds with the guy, he would have destroyed him."

Then in the same interview he says "I'd rather it have gone that way than him been involved in a 12-round war. There is no physical damage like there would have been in a long battle."

You can't have it both ways, so maybe Enzo Mac went into that fight with plans "A" and "B" and Enzo Calzaghe forgot to mention plan "C". 'If you get hit take a knee, don't dance around thinking your Zab Judah" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[kurt2006]

Enzo had a few plans which if they had been executed would have ensures Macca won. Sadly they did not get close enough to Haye to carry the plans out.

Plan 1

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Plan 2 : Enzo tried this one on JC and it worked at home.

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[Dibbs]

Haaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa, where's the banana peel??????????

Enzo had a few plans which if they had been executed would have ensures Macca won. Sadly they did not get close enough to Haye to carry the plans out.

Plan 1

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Plan 2 : Enzo tried this one on JC and it worked at home.

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[kurt2006]

Haaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaa, where's the banana peel??????????

No banana peel but as Enzo said if the fight had gone 12 rounds they had the beating of Haye.

Shame the fight did not last long enough for Enzo to pull of plan 3 (as illustrated below but Haye would be tied to the turnbuckle whilst he rested on his stool betwen rounds)

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[Dibbs]

Bound and gagged is good, but imagine if David Haye was sponsered by Nike, he could have come into the ring wearing a pair of Nike Air's, now that could have given Team Calzaghe the perfect excuse to use a police stinger and thrown it across the ring, puncture the shoes, i really should stop watching Police, Camera, Action....:nut

No banana peel but as Enzo said if the fight had gone 12 rounds they had the beating of Haye.

Shame the fight did not last long enough for Enzo to pull of plan 3 (as illustrated below but Haye would be tied to the turnbuckle whilst he rested on his stool betwen rounds)

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[kurt2006]

Bound and gagged is good, but imagine if David Haye was sponsered by Nike, he could have come into the ring wearing a pair of Nike Air's,

Funny you should mention Nike Airs. Lloyd Honeyghan wore Nike Air Max for a few fights when he made a comeback.

Links in well with Enzos plans as another boxer (forgot his name) tried to hit Honeyghan over the head with a cup (or trophy) after one of his fights. Anyone else remember this ?

[John18]

I think the plan was to work at a pace for 4 or 5 rounds and then try and take him out.

Problem is, while you are working at a pace, you are leaving yourself open. As I said the day after the fight, I noticed at the start of the second round Enzo had a concerned (scared would be the wrong word) look on his face after feeling Hayes power in the first. From then on there was no way he was leaving himself open.

[kurt2006]

I noticed at the start of the second round Enzo had a concerned (scared would be the wrong word) look on his face after feeling Hayes power in the first. From then on there was no way he was leaving himself open.

I noticed that as well. It was the "oh shit he hits hard...what shall I do" look.

He looked timid and ready for the taking and Haye took the opportunity.

[John18]

I noticed that as well. It was the "oh shit he hits hard...what shall I do" look.

He looked timid and ready for the taking and Haye took the opportunity.

Exactly. I knew at that point he would either get blown away or go on a kamikaze mission.

[kurt2006]

Plan 4 :

Enzo is a clever guy, the Newbridge boys were about to do this when Enzo worked out the JCB would be too big for the ring.

If they got Macca strapped to the digger and got enough momentum they could have delivered that KO blow to Haye.

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[kurt2006]

Let's be honest - all Enzo Cal does for Joe is keep him focussed if his attention's wavering. joe does all the tactics in the ring.

How you explain Rees then :lol:

Enzo is the dogs bollacks when it comes to training world champs. I bet he could even turn Audley Harrisson into a world champ. The guy has the midas touch.

[achillesthegreat]

Tysons line applies more than ever. Everyone has a plan, until they get hit.

Enzo literally had a plan which he was trying to enforce and then he got hit and the rest is history.