View Full Version : Derry to try "unifying" the WBF and WBU...
On the same bill as Amir Khan's daring assualt on the WBO rankings, Derry will make the extraordinary attempt to become the first scouser in history to unify the WBU and WBF titles, as he tackles hard-hitting mongolian, Choi Tseveenpurev.
If dirty derry manages to get past Choi, he will be looking to take on slick WBO champion Steven Luevano.
1. Do you think Derry will beat Choi
2. Even if he beats Choi, does he have a chance against supercool Steve Luevano?
Nemesis
03-19-2008, 07:28 PM
he reminds me of a poor mans Johnny Owen...
dan-b
03-19-2008, 07:48 PM
Good to see people putting the WBO in the same category as the WBU & WBF where it belongs.
Dunky McCafferty
03-19-2008, 08:29 PM
hmm. Interesting fight this one, Matthews could be in for a tough night.
GazOC
03-19-2008, 08:31 PM
he reminds me of a poor mans Johnny Owen...
A very poors mans....;)
He won't beat Luevano, he doesn't look good enough to be a WBO champ
Will probably beat that Mongolian goat farmer
Dunky McCafferty
03-19-2008, 08:38 PM
He won't beat Luevano, he doesn't look good enough to be a WBO champ
Will probably beat that Mongolian goat farmer
Luaveno isnt up to much, he was just made to look good against a totally weight drained Nicky Cook.
mike464
03-19-2008, 09:35 PM
Good to see people putting the WBO in the same category as the WBU & WBF where it belongs.Why would they? Who wants MORE world titles?
Big Ears
03-19-2008, 09:47 PM
Good to see people putting the WBO in the same category as the WBU & WBF where it belongs.
yup WBF , WBO , WBU , WBC all useless...........
joekirkbycobra
03-20-2008, 05:12 AM
On the same bill as Amir Khan's daring assualt on the WBO rankings, Derry will make the extraordinary attempt to become the first scouser in history to unify the WBU and WBF titles, as he tackles hard-hitting mongolian, Choi Tseveenpurev.
If dirty derry manages to get past Choi, he will be looking to take on slick WBO champion Steven Luevano.
1. Do you think Derry will beat Choi
2. Even if he beats Choi, does he have a chance against supercool Steve Luevano?i train with derry
bin watchin him spar all week
hes lookin well an trainin hard an the coaches rate this choi quite highly
joekirkbycobra
03-20-2008, 05:14 AM
yup WBF , WBO , WBU , WBC all useless...........wbc was b4 ibf
the 3 main are wba , wbc , ibf
but wbc an wba was the 2 that split
Beeston Brawler
03-20-2008, 05:30 AM
They are all shite, for various reasons.
WBA has the ridiculous super/regular champ bollocks
WBC has 'Emeritus champion'
IBF shit mandatories
WBO can be manipulated by promoters, and has dodgy rankings
IBO doesn't give mandatory challengers, yet has best rankings
WBU is controlled (probably owned) by Frank ******
WBF God knows, just shite
Basically, alphabet bodies are all useless, and serve no purpose - they couldn't agree on the colour of shite - one would say light brown, the other junior brown, and the other would say super orange!
dwilson
03-20-2008, 06:17 AM
To be honest I do not like the fact that Derry is going for the WBF belt but the opponent that he is facing is very good and maybe the best opponent he has yet to face. The fight will put him in good sted for the harder fights if he comes through.
Choi is prob the most avoided fighter on the British scene, Derry could have chosen a much easier fight.
Decebal
03-20-2008, 06:20 AM
i train with derry
When you spar him, would you please low-blow him HARD from all of us here at ESB and say: "This is for the Simpson fight!" ?
Thank you very much!:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
brown bomber
03-20-2008, 06:45 AM
On the same bill as Amir Khan's daring assualt on the WBO rankings....:lol:
brown bomber
03-20-2008, 06:47 AM
Wbc,wba,wbo,wbf,wbu,ibf,iba,ibo Super Cruiserweight Junior Interim Champion Of The World.....
dan-b
03-20-2008, 07:21 AM
Why would they? Who wants MORE world titles?
Did you mean "Why wouldn't they?".
IBO doesn't give mandatory challengers, yet has best rankings
They have Lazcano ranked fourth in the world at 140.:rofl
Beeston Brawler
03-20-2008, 07:30 AM
Did you mean "Why wouldn't they?".
They have Lazcano ranked fourth in the world at 140.:rofl
Generally speaking then :lol:
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Lazcano, Boxing Monthly has him in the top 8.
dan-b
03-20-2008, 07:41 AM
Generally speaking then :lol:
To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of Lazcano, Boxing Monthly has him in the top 8.
I had a big discussion about the ills of the alphabets last night. We all know the problems but sadly they are a necessary evil. I generally still think if you get the WBC, WBA & IBF "champs" to fight each other you will be left with the best fighter in the world.
The three belt system would work if they weren't so keen to strip people but instead had "box offs" to decide the number one challenger like the IBF recently did at heavy. I actually thought this was a very positive thing from the IBF for once & a step in the direction.
Personally I prefer to pretend the rest don't exist & refer to any fights with those other baubles involved as simply 12 round fights like the yanks do.
Big Ears
03-20-2008, 08:32 AM
wbc was b4 ibf
the 3 main are wba , wbc , ibf
but wbc an wba was the 2 that split
correct it was.........but I'm afraid you've told me nothing I don't know .
WBA , IBF , WBC , WAA , WBU , WBF , IBO , IBC , GBU , it doesn't fucking matter cause they are all bullshit .
I'm not exactly Keen on the Ring title either , due to situations such as Hopkins being champ(despite Erdei being lineal) and Vitali becoming champ despite only beating their #3 ranked fighter but I guess in the main the Ring belt means a little more as it usually(but of course not always) is the true champion .
GazOC
03-20-2008, 08:53 AM
I can remember the IBF being the 'joke' belt when Bob Lee first started the organization. Seems strange for me to see it mentioned in the 'Big 3', I've always thought of the 'Big 2' and then the IBF
achillesthegreat
03-20-2008, 09:11 AM
Seriously, what is the point.
Why do this when he could be known rightfully as the BRITISH CHAMPION!
How can the letters WBU mean more than best in Britain.
Beeston Brawler
03-20-2008, 09:16 AM
Because he can call himself a world champion!
Even though it is a total paper championship, and it is not even 'lightly regarded', in fact nobody gives a fuck about it!
You could probably start your own sanctioning body, chin your best mate outside a nightclub when totally sloshed and call yourself a world champ!
Thats what the WBU, IBC & WBF are to me.
GazOC
03-20-2008, 09:27 AM
Seriously, what is the point.
Why do this when he could be known rightfully as the BRITISH CHAMPION!
How can the letters WBU mean more than best in Britain.
Theres that many ways to the top these days the Birish belt is getting pushed aside. There used be that logical path, area title, British title, Euro title, world title. A boxer might skip one of those titles if he was progressing fast enough but generally that was the path you had to take for a world title shot.
dan-b
03-20-2008, 10:08 AM
I can remember the IBF being the 'joke' belt when Bob Lee first started the organization. Seems strange for me to see it mentioned in the 'Big 3', I've always thought of the 'Big 2' and then the IBF
They installed Larry Holmes as their heavyweight champ giving it instant recognition. Several proper champs held the title soon after it's conception.
You could probably start your own sanctioning body, chin your best mate outside a nightclub when totally sloshed and call yourself a world champ!
Thats brilliant.:rofl
Theres that many ways to the top these days the Birish belt is getting pushed aside. There used be that logical path, area title, British title, Euro title, world title. A boxer might skip one of those titles if he was progressing fast enough but generally that was the path you had to take for a world title shot.
I have to say though in general we have seen a welcome return to people going the traditional route in recent times. Friday Fight Night seems to show more British, Commonwealth & EBU fights. The bogus world titles were really more of a ****** thing.
zulander
03-20-2008, 10:41 AM
Ive sometimes thought about contacting the WBF and becoming one of thier belt holders at one time most of the belts were vacant it couldnt hurt to have a fat little sod as a belt holder just look at Rees
They would probaby want shed loads in fees tho.
If he fought Lueveno he would get totally outboxed
If he wants another paper belt there fair enuff but hes not going anywhere
GazOC
03-20-2008, 10:41 AM
Yep, putting Holmes in a champ was a smart move but still at the time and for years later the IBF was a distant third to the WBC and WBA in prestige. TBH I don't give a fuck anymore, the fighter makes the belt.
Yep, putting Holmes in a champ was a smart move but still at the time and for years later the IBF was a distant third to the WBC and WBA in prestige. TBH I don't give a fuck anymore, the fighter makes the belt.
Exactly, it doesn't mean shit if you've got the ABC, XYZ or 123 they all have their faults. I love how people act like the WBO is any worse than the rest
Real fans know who the true champions are
ApatheticLeader
03-20-2008, 12:13 PM
This reminds me of Damien Kelly, who unified the IBO and WBF flyweight titles. Then he got a shot at Irene Pacheco's IBF flyweight title, and guess what happened....
mike464
03-20-2008, 12:50 PM
Lots of guys on here are pushing for the WBO to be considered a genuine world title. They must have some other interest other than boxing (maybe a favourite fighter is/was WBO "champion"). Surely the last thing boxing needs is another world title.
It's just as "genuine" as any of the others, which is the point
They are all corrupt as fuck.
The Kurgan
03-20-2008, 12:59 PM
All he needs to do now is capture the GBU, GBF and the CISBB titles and he's unified 5 titles.
"Dirty" Derry Matthews: Hall of Famer~!
dwilson
03-20-2008, 01:00 PM
To be honest I do not take much interest in which belt a fighter holds. Look at the champs we have right now, not all the WBC champs can be called the best in the division and not all the WBO champs can be called the weakest.
Fact is that with the current four main governing bodies we hardly ever find out who is the real world champion and best in the division. Even the Ring belt seems bullshit and is based on popularity.
scurlaruntings
03-20-2008, 01:34 PM
I remember when Hatton unified the WBU and the IBU when he fought Steven Smith. Im sure he still counts it as a world title belt as he does the WBU. Anyone here remember Anthony Farnells tears of joy when he won the WBU? What a sight that was to behold.
Logically only the IBO rankings make sense as there based on a points scoring system depending on a fighters wins and losses. BUT the belt ultimately is meaningless and there champions are generally a joke in comparison to REAL champsions at there weight. Jawaid Khaliq and Serio Martinez being examples.
scurlaruntings
03-20-2008, 01:38 PM
yup WBF , WBO , WBU , WBC all useless...........Theres also a WBE title or was at least.They changed names and became the WBS and Mitch Green was there heavyweight WORLD CHAMP. I recall Glen Johnson paying a sanctioning fee for there title too.. :rofl:nut
Furthermore the chap Mitch fought was called Danny Wofford who had a record of 17-101-2 (10ko's). Mitch was 45. Now if thats not a joke i dont know what is. I dont think they even have a rankings system. Still there only 1 down from the WBU and WBF.Literally anyone can qualify for there intercontinenal belts.
scurlaruntings
03-20-2008, 01:53 PM
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The above is a link to there website. They dont even have enough money to pay for there own hosting and use Tripod as a free solution. There should be a law against this kind of crap.
The Kurgan
03-20-2008, 02:03 PM
Theres also a WBE title or was at least.They changed names and became the WBS and Mitch Green was there heavyweight WORLD CHAMP. I recall Glen Johnson paying a sanctioning fee for there title too.. :rofl:nut
Furthermore the chap Mitch fought was called Danny Wofford who had a record of 17-101-2 (10ko's). Mitch was 45. Now if thats not a joke i dont know what is. I dont think they even have a rankings system. Still there only 1 down from the WBU and WBF.Literally anyone can qualify for there intercontinenal belts.
I assume there's an IBE title as well? If so, I'm forming that GBE and awarding the belt to the winner of Peter Buckley VS Carl Allen.
scurlaruntings
03-20-2008, 02:09 PM
Havent got a clue mate. But anyone can form a sanctioning body and demand a fee for there title its that easy. Im surprised there isnt a federal body that prevent this kind of madness.
The WBU though were based in a cottage in Norwich. I dont even know where they even sprang from.
Beeston Brawler
03-20-2008, 02:25 PM
I assume there's an IBE title as well? If so, I'm forming that GBE and awarding the belt to the winner of Peter Buckley VS Carl Allen.
:rofl
mike464
03-20-2008, 02:34 PM
The middle letter clearly has to be B.
Options for the first letter: I and W
Options for the last letter: A, C, F, O and U
That means 2*5=10 possibilities for sensible names.
Maybe you could use G for global as a first letter and E for empire as a third letter which increases the number of possibilities to 18.
There is obviously room for more sanctioning bodies.
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The above is a link to there website. They dont even have enough money to pay for there own hosting and use Tripod as a free solution. There should be a law against this kind of crap.
you couldnt make this shit up! that is unbelievable
my personal favourite is the GBU. their champions and rankings amuse me somewhat because they have a complete unknown as the world champion, and then they list genuine world class fighters as top ten contenders for the title, so for welterweights you have...
World Champion Ilian Ares / Ploetnikov (Ukr)
Intercontinal Champion Vacant
America's Champion David Jackson (USA)
1 Floyd Mayweather USA
2 Miguel Angel Cotto P.R.
3 Shane Mosley USA
4 Paul Williams USA
5 Kermit Cintron P.R.
6 Antonio Margarito Mexico
7 Joshua Clottey Ghana
8 Isaac Hlatswayo South Africa
9 Alfonso Gomez Mexico
10 Andre Berto USA
mike464
03-20-2008, 04:53 PM
my personal favourite is the GBU. their champions and rankings amuse me somewhat because they have a complete unknown as the world champion, and then they list genuine world class fighters as top ten contenders for the title, so for welterweights you have...
World Champion Ilian Ares / Ploetnikov (Ukr)
Intercontinal Champion Vacant
America's Champion David Jackson (USA)
1 Floyd Mayweather USA
2 Miguel Angel Cotto P.R.
3 Shane Mosley USA
4 Paul Williams USA
5 Kermit Cintron P.R.
6 Antonio Margarito Mexico
7 Joshua Clottey Ghana
8 Isaac Hlatswayo South Africa
9 Alfonso Gomez Mexico
10 Andre Berto USAIs the Ploetnikov-Mayweather fight going to purse bids?!
Is the Ploetnikov-Mayweather fight going to purse bids?!
yep, i believe mayweathers been calling out ploetnikov for a while. he thinks the champ is ducking him.
Decebal
03-20-2008, 05:59 PM
:lol:
Big Ears
03-20-2008, 07:10 PM
The middle letter clearly has to be B.
Options for the first letter: I and W
Options for the last letter: A, C, F, O and U
That means 2*5=10 possibilities for sensible names.
Maybe you could use G for global as a first letter and E for empire as a third letter which increases the number of possibilities to 18.
There is obviously room for more sanctioning bodies.
Considering the WAA did(I don't think their around anymore) , the middle B isn't even a necessity . U(Universal) can be used for the first letter aswell(and has been by the UBC) .
kasabian19
03-22-2008, 01:35 PM
Never seen derry box, but have seen choi live last october...ridiculously easy to hit but can bang a bit. Won a split decision, but it was in his local town of oldham so he got the decision - IMO should have been the other way round. But...if derry can take a shot and has a decentish defense he's got a very good chance.
Opinions/vids of derry?
brown bomber
03-22-2008, 02:00 PM
Never seen derry box, but have seen choi live last october...ridiculously easy to hit but can bang a bit. Won a split decision, but it was in his local town of oldham so he got the decision - IMO should have been the other way round. But...if derry can take a shot and has a decentish defense he's got a very good chance.
Opinions/vids of derry? Which fight was that?
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