~ ESB's BIG FIGHT PICKS ~ Casamayor vs. Katsidis ~ Andrade vs. Stieglitz ~

[huki]

Hey everyone. Sorry, I've been pretty busy lately and I don't have time to count everything up right now. Also, I'm not exactly sure whether the JMM-Pac fight will count or not, since 4 out of 5 of the people in the review panel that was created scored the fight for JMM. I haven't received a PM from the 5th panel member yet. Decebal said that it shouldn't be a contested result because it's not an all out robbery, but if all 5 of the review panel members scored it for JMM, I think it's very reasonable to not count the fight. Especially since this is a league that has very few fights and one controversial result like last week's blue riband fight makes a huge difference in the rankings.

Regarding the new scoring system where people can choose wide UD, close UD, or draw/SD that was proposed in last week's thread.. I completely disagree with having this extra choice because it complicates things more and makes the judges' scores more important than they need to be. For example, in a fight like PBF-DLH or Diaz-Campbell, the draw/SD choice would win just because one blind judge thought DLH/Diaz won.. so in essence you're trying to get lucky guessing that one judge will get the fight wrong. I think the old close decision/wide decision system works well and there's no reason to make things more complicated, but if Decebal wants to create a vote and over 50% of people want the draw/SD option, then we can add it.

There's some things that need to be discussed, but right now I'd rather just put up this week's thread faster so people could get their picks in for this week.


The system used to score fights will be the following, as voted by you:
correct winner = 15
correct winner + correct decision pick = 25
correct winner + correct stoppage pick = 30Decision picks:
correct wide or close decision pick* = 30Stoppage picks**:
3 rounds or less off correct stoppage round = 35
1 round off correct stoppage round = 40
correct stoppage round = 45Draw = 50 points

* a wide unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are four points or more apart e.g. 116-112, 115-111, 116-111, etc.
* a close unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are three points or less apart e.g. 115-112, 116-113, 114-112, etc. A split decision or a majority decision is scored as a close unanimous decision.

** a disqualification or retirement will count as a stoppage win.

Blue riband events - really big fights like Pavlik v. Taylor, Calzaghe v. Hopkins, etc. - will count for twice the points as usual big fights. Scores for those blue riband events get multiplied by two.

How to post your picks:

Please post your picks as follows: e.g.

"Calzaghe UD wide", if you think Calzaghe will win a unanimous decision over Kessler at a difference of points greater or equal to four points

"Calzaghe UD close", if you think Calzaghe will win a decision over Kessler at a difference of points smaller or equal to three points, a majority or split decision.

"Kessler T/KO 3", if you think Kessler will beat Calzaghe by stoppage, disqualification or retirement in the third round. Always pick a stoppage round when you make a pick!

"Calzaghe Draw Kessler" if you think the fight between Calzaghe and Kessler will end up a draw.

If you pick a stoppage - say what round!
If you pick a decision - say "wide" or "close"!



Joining late

Anyone can join the league at any time, even late. In order to give late starters a chance to compete fairly, they will start in the middle of the pack, at the median position, out of those who have participated every week.

Missing a week

If for some reason you miss a week and you are in the top 25 in the league, you will be allocated the median score for that week. Everyone has 3 lives (will be "saved" up to three times). This, to ensure top pickers are not demotivated by their failure to pick one week.

Clean sweep

A clean sweep system will be applied for weeks with 5 fights or more. The clean sweep bonus will be 20 points.

Contested results

If, by common consensus, a clear robbery might have occured, a review panel made up of brooklyn1550, kg0208, sean, McGrain and sues2nd will decide whether the result should be overruled for the purposes of our league. Unless they all agree unanimously that it was a robbery, we go by official results.

Good luck! :good


Rankings (from last week, not updated yet):

northend: 300
**196osh: 290
MSTR: 285
*J-M-P: 280
iceman: 275
Shake: 265
Amsterdam: 255
jakeameyers: 255
*Punisher33: 255
Zakman: 255
Decebal: 250
KobeIsGod: 250
Pimp C: 250
brooklyn1550: 245
IntentionalButt: 245
aleklaser: 235
**dangerousity: 235
*pioterbezkitu: 235
theunderdog: 235
Arc_Arsenal: 230
Astola: 230
*cardstars: 230
Kolya: 230
Bulakenyo: 225
huki: 225
Violent retard: 225
Drew101: 220
Smith: 220
kg0208: 215
o_money: 215
This bloke: 215
Boro chris: 210
PacDbest: 210
Scorpy: 210
magnificentdave: 205
psychopath: 205
mney mayweather: 200
Totomabs: 195
**Cooke: 190
*H.: 190
Dorfmeister: 185
sues2nd: 180
Willy Bonka: 180
sjc: 175
*saul_ir34: 160
**TFFP: 160
*Marcus: 160
andyzOr: 155
nickthegreek: 155
*Tom_Tocca: 155
*jimmythejet: 150
**cuchulain: 140
*Brickhaus: 130
*Paenkhay: 120
*RUSKULL: 115
*Oscar de la Roa: 110
*4Rounder: 90
**Dunks: 90
**Gregor: 90
**Lenin: 90
**LONE WOLF: 90
**Mangtiny: 90
**OklahomaHoss: 90
**Sister Sledge: 90
**TheGeezer: 90
**Jack Presscot: 70
**McGrain: 55


If you joined last week and posted picks for the first time, just post your picks again this week and everything will be calculated correctly in the future.


All those who have two stars in front of their names: If you are in the top 25 and miss another week, your score will be increased only once more only, with the mean score that week. If you are outside the top 25 and miss another week, you will be struck off the list of competitors. You will not be allowed to rejoin.

[huki]

THIS WEEK's FIGHTS:

Please give your picks for:

Joel Casamayor vs. Michael Katsidis

Librado Andrade vs. Robert Stieglitz

[196osh]

Andrade close UD

Katsidis TKO6

[northend]

Katsidis close dec.

Andrade close dec.

[andyZOR]

Katsidis UD

Andrade MD

Why didnt you count the pac scores?

[IntentionalButt]

I thought I was way too high until I realized those rankings weren't yet updated. :lol:

Casamayor close dec.

Andrade close dec.

[IntentionalButt]

Katsidis UD

Andrade MD

Why didnt you count the pac scores?

Give the man a break, he's not getting paid for this pain in the ass chore. :lol:

Patience. :good

[Arriba]

Even though I picked JMM...a win is a win is a win. Count it IMO.

Ah this week I got:

Katsidis UD

Andrade TKO 11

[Amsterdam]

Casamayor TKO 8

Andrade TKO 5

[IntentionalButt]

Casamayor TKO 8

Andrade TKO 5

I know Kat's going to get painted with that swiss cheese D, but you really think semi-shot and gunshy Casa can stop him?

[superchile]

andrade ko in the 7 rd katsidis ud

[Amsterdam]

I know Kat's going to get painted with that swiss cheese D, but you really think semi-shot and gunshy Casa can stop him?

Basing it on the way Kat cuts. Casa's shot, but Kat is not a boxer like the last guy he fought, Kat's there to be tagged and ripped up and Casa can survive even if he's losing enough to continue doing damage.

[Arriba]

Basing it on the way Kat cuts. Casa's shot, but Kat is not a boxer like the last guy he fought, Kat's there to be tagged and ripped up and Casa can survive even if he's losing enough to continue doing damage.

Underrated Kats a bit here aren't we?

Well...maybe underrating how shot Casa is to be more precise.

[PH|LLA]

Casa UD wide

andrade tko 9

[pioterbezkitu]

Andrade T/KO10
Casamayor wideUD

[Rise Above]

I've had a name change. I used to be Arc_Arsenal.

Katsidis close UD
Andrade KO 9

[northend]

. Also, I'm not exactly sure whether the JMM-Pac fight will count or not, since 4 out of 5 of the people in the review panel that was created scored the fight for JMM. I haven't received a PM from the 5th panel member yet. Decebal said that it shouldn't be a contested result because it's not an all out robbery, but if all 5 of the review panel members scored it for JMM, I think it's very reasonable to not count the fight. Especially since this is a league that has very few fights and one controversial result like last week's blue riband fight makes a huge difference in the rankings.



That would Suck for me,I had Pac by close dec.:|

[dangerousity]

If your'e gonna "alter" decisions because 50% of the forum scored it for the other guy although 70% of them would agree it could have gone either way, then you may aswell scrap this whole thing.

As for now,

Casamayor close UD
Andrade T/KO 7

I havent seen much of these fighters and none of Andrade opponent so going by record here at most.

[andyZOR]

Give the man a break, he's not getting paid for this pain in the ass chore. :lol:

Patience. :good


My fault, I just actually READ his posts.
Im not rushing him.... I should've read his post. :lol:

[dangerousity]

That would Suck for me,I had Pac by close dec.:|

And 50% of this board had it for close UD or draw for Pac. Picking JMM will just be favouring another 50% opinion despite the judges opinion. Alterations of decisions should only be ever called into question in the case of a robbery, which this was not.

[C Money]

With all do respect to Huki and Decebal, if PAC dont count? The league doesnt either:nono

Katsidis TKO 10
Andrade TKO9

[Carlos Primera]

Andrade TKO/KO 9

Katsidis TKO/KO 6

[kg0208]

I am the 5th Panel member, and no one PM'd me to ask me whether or not it should be contested. :thumbsup

Here is my very short opinion.

I scored it for JMM. Regardless, it was a close fight that could have gone either way and anyone scoring it for Pacquiao has good reason. It certainly should NOT be contested. The fight counts.

Andrade T/KO 7th

Casamayor Close UD.

[Cerberus]

I see a lot of Katsidis KO/TKO predicitions...

Casa has bever been stopped in his career. Never even close. Are you guys that high on Katsidis (who is a very limited boxer IMO)?

[northend]

I am the 5th Panel member, and no one PM'd me to ask me whether or not it should be contested. :thumbsup

Here is my very short opinion.

I scored it for JMM. Regardless, it was a close fight that could have gone either way and anyone scoring it for Pacquiao has good reason. It certainly should NOT be contested. The fight counts.

Andrade T/KO 7th

Casamayor Close UD.

Proper way to see it.

[kg0208]

If your'e gonna "alter" decisions because 50% of the forum scored it for the other guy although 70% of them would agree it could have gone either way, then you may aswell scrap this whole thing.

As for now,

Casamayor close UD
Andrade T/KO 7

I havent seen much of these fighters and none of Andrade opponent so going by record here at most.

That is why the panel was created and people agreed upon it's existance so no one should have a problem with it now.

However, I don't believe we should be used for a fight like this. It is perfectly clear there was no robbery here. Something like Sturm-DLH would qualify.

[dangerousity]

That is why the panel was created and people agreed upon it's existance so no one should have a problem with it now.

However, I don't believe we should be used for a fight like this. It is perfectly clear there was no robbery here. Something like Sturm-DLH would qualify.

Just make sure you keep that panel on a leash ;)

[o_money]

Andrade wide UD

Katsidis TKO6

[kg0208]

Just make sure you keep that panel on a leash ;)

My understanding is that it is not up to us. It is up to you.

If a vast majority of the participants in the league feel that there should be a judgement made on the fight, I think then it come down to a unanimous decision by the panel. But very few are calling this a robbery, and frankly, those people seem to have a stake in the fight.

[huki]

With all do respect to Huki and Decebal, if PAC dont count? The league doesnt either:nono

Katsidis TKO 10
Andrade TKO9 It will probably count, even though our "review panel" that was voted on by all league participants didn't even think Pac won. That seems silly to me, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I decided on this alone. To tell you the truth, I wish this league had more fights and I regret supporting the blue riband event option because of situations like this. One (what I would call) lucky decision for Pac and there is a huge mountain to climb for all those who picked JMM. Decebal and I will continue running this league however you guys want though and I won't screw everyone over by not counting up scores anymore just because I disagree with something. So basically, you shouldn't worry about the league not being fair.

This is all my opinion by the way, not Decebal's and I'm honestly not trying to be an asshole just because I picked JMM. It seems very reasonable to me to cancel the JMM/Pac fight altogether (because it was a "could go either way" decision according to most people and over half of the posters did score it for JMM), but apparently it doesn't to anyone else so most likely it will count as a Pac win. I don't think a fight needs to be an all out Casamayor-Santa Cruz robbery for it to not count. If it's a fight that most people scored for the guy who didn't win, I think it should be cancelled, or at the very least voted on/looked at.

[kg0208]

It will probably count, even though our "review panel" that was voted on by all league participants didn't even think Pac won. That seems silly to me, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I decided on this alone. To tell you the truth, I wish this league had more fights and I regret supporting the blue riband event option because of situations like this. One (what I would call) lucky decision for Pac and there is a huge mountain to climb for all those who picked JMM. Decebal and I will continue running this league however you guys want though and I won't screw everyone over by not counting up scores anymore just because I disagree with something. So basically, you shouldn't worry about the league not being fair.

This is all my opinion by the way, not Decebal's and I'm honestly not trying to be an asshole just because I picked JMM. It seems very reasonable to me to cancel the JMM/Pac fight altogether (because it was a "could go either way" decision according to most people and over half of the posters did score it for JMM), but apparently it doesn't to anyone else so most likely it will count as a Pac win. I don't think a fight needs to be an all out Casamayor-Santa Cruz robbery for it to not count. If it's a fight that most people scored for the guy who didn't win, I think it should be cancelled, or at the very least voted on/looked at.

Even though a slight majority of the forum scored the fight for JMM, a VAST majority of the forum believe it could have gone either way regardless of their own personal scorecard. This would indicate that they are ok with the judges decision. So the fight should count in my estimation.

[KobeIsGod]

It will probably count, even though our "review panel" that was voted on by all league participants didn't even think Pac won. That seems silly to me, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I decided on this alone. To tell you the truth, I wish this league had more fights and I regret supporting the blue riband event option because of situations like this. One (what I would call) lucky decision for Pac and there is a huge mountain to climb for all those who picked JMM. Decebal and I will continue running this league however you guys want though and I won't screw everyone over by not counting up scores anymore just because I disagree with something. So basically, you shouldn't worry about the league not being fair.

This is all my opinion by the way, not Decebal's and I'm honestly not trying to be an asshole just because I picked JMM. It seems very reasonable to me to cancel the JMM/Pac fight altogether (because it was a "could go either way" decision according to most people and over half of the posters did score it for JMM), but apparently it doesn't to anyone else so most likely it will count as a Pac win. I don't think a fight needs to be an all out Casamayor-Santa Cruz robbery for it to not count. If it's a fight that most people scored for the guy who didn't win, I think it should be cancelled, or at the very least voted on/looked at.

it better count or then u will have people bitching about every close fight. did marquez do enough to win? yea but so did pac. most media had it for marquez, but i havent heard or read anything about it being a robbery like lennox/evander I or something like that from a NON-BIAS source :yep

btw, any news on your boy's next fight? :think

[dangerousity]

It will probably count, even though our "review panel" that was voted on by all league participants didn't even think Pac won. That seems silly to me, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I decided on this alone. To tell you the truth, I wish this league had more fights and I regret supporting the blue riband event option because of situations like this. One (what I would call) lucky decision for Pac and there is a huge mountain to climb for all those who picked JMM. Decebal and I will continue running this league however you guys want though and I won't screw everyone over by not counting up scores anymore just because I disagree with something. So basically, you shouldn't worry about the league not being fair.

This is all my opinion by the way, not Decebal's and I'm honestly not trying to be an asshole just because I picked JMM. It seems very reasonable to me to cancel the JMM/Pac fight altogether (because it was a "could go either way" decision according to most people and over half of the posters did score it for JMM), but apparently it doesn't to anyone else so most likely it will count as a Pac win. I don't think a fight needs to be an all out Casamayor-Santa Cruz robbery for it to not count. If it's a fight that most people scored for the guy who didn't win, I think it should be cancelled, or at the very least voted on/looked at.


If all 5 panel members believe that no way it could have gone to Pac, by all means put it up on a poll. However most agree it could have gone either way so thats irrelevant what they initially scored it as. Put it this way, I scored JMM-MAB to MAB, yet I can accept and see how JMM won. Theres a difference between having a different scorecard but flexible with it enough to see how it can be adjusted, to simply blatantly being confused as to how your'e scorecard could be any different.

As for cancelling it because it could have gone either way, well does that mean for every close fight there is it has to be cancelled? Cos I guarantee for every close fight out there, people are gonna be half-half about the decision. Take the Morales-MAB fights for example...

[kg0208]

No need for a poll lol....we already know that the panel won't be unanimous on this because I think the fight counts. I had JMM winning but believe it could go either way. We are here for robberies, nothing more or less as far as I know.

And even if we all 5 thought it was an outright robbery, not enough of the members of the league think it is for it to ever come to a vote by us anyways. I would prefer the panel stay invisible lol.....only in crazy outright nutty decisions should we be voting in it IMO.

[Arriba]

How many of the guys on the panel picked JMM?

It just comes off as almost picking what counts and what doesn't...I could see every fight having people screaming "DON'T COUNT IT BECAUSE -etc etc-"

It's a good idea in theory but just not executable.

[kg0208]

How many of the guys on the panel picked JMM?

It just comes off as almost picking what counts and what doesn't...I could see every fight having people screaming "DON'T COUNT IT BECAUSE -etc etc-"

It's a good idea in theory but just not executable.

The Panel works just fine :good

There is some confusion by some on how it works, but I think it has been cleared up now. This fight should not be decided by us and I don't think it will be. The fight counts, so don't worry.

[Arriba]

I had JMM by close decision (and felt that was the RIGHT decision even now) so I'm screwed now lol.

I just don't agree in not counting a fight.....JMO o'course.

[huki]

Alright, the Pac fight will count. I shouldn't have even brought all this stuff up, but it seemed unfair to me to make a decision that over 50% of posters disagreed with count.

The point of this league is just to have fun anyways and there's no point of turning this into a thread full of arguing. The Pac win counts. I'll add up the scores with the scores from this week's fights.

[C Money]

It will probably count, even though our "review panel" that was voted on by all league participants didn't even think Pac won. That seems silly to me, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone if I decided on this alone. To tell you the truth, I wish this league had more fights and I regret supporting the blue riband event option because of situations like this. One (what I would call) lucky decision for Pac and there is a huge mountain to climb for all those who picked JMM. Decebal and I will continue running this league however you guys want though and I won't screw everyone over by not counting up scores anymore just because I disagree with something. So basically, you shouldn't worry about the league not being fair.

This is all my opinion by the way, not Decebal's and I'm honestly not trying to be an asshole just because I picked JMM. It seems very reasonable to me to cancel the JMM/Pac fight altogether (because it was a "could go either way" decision according to most people and over half of the posters did score it for JMM), but apparently it doesn't to anyone else so most likely it will count as a Pac win. I don't think a fight needs to be an all out Casamayor-Santa Cruz robbery for it to not count. If it's a fight that most people scored for the guy who didn't win, I think it should be cancelled, or at the very least voted on/looked at.

I know you're not an asshole:D Yet, it was a close fight and PAC deserved the nod. I didnt have $$$ on it either:nono

Honestly? I didnt like the scenario change idea to begin with and said so. You have a close and great fight and its gets tarnished. This aint American Idol, its who KNOWS BOXING:yep

I credit JMM for his effort but Pacs power carried the day. PAC fought much improved over the first fight and didnt allow JMM to maintain enough momentum to pull it.

[jakeameyers]

Casamayor v. Katsidis — Katsidis decision close
Andrade v. Stieglitz — Andrade TKO 6

[psychopath]

Andrade via stoppage in the 8th
Katsidis close Decission

As to the JMM/Pac fight . . . it should count. That's exactly what a close decission is. Even if 70% of the people here doesn't agree with the decission . . . that's official and that's no robbery.

We are creating a precedence here . . . close decissions in the future will always be contested by the losing majority. If there's anything we need to reconsider . . . it should be the "blue riband" thing.

. . . just my two cents.:yep

[kg0208]

Andrade via stoppage in the 8th
Katsidis close Decission

As to the JMM/Pac fight . . . it should count. That's exactly what a close decission is. Even if 70% of the people here doesn't agree with the decission . . . that's official and that's no robbery.

We are creating a precedence here . . . close decissions in the future will always be contested by the losing majority.

. . . just my two cents.:yep
There is no precedent being set....because the fight wasn't actually contested by the panel. Someone THOUGHT it should be contested.

It can't be contested unless a vast majority think it's a robbery. Being a close fight where it could have gone either way isn't part of the deal and won't be.

[huki]

I know you're not an asshole:D Yet, it was a close fight and PAC deserved the nod. I didnt have $$$ on it either:nono

Honestly? I didnt like the scenario change idea to begin with and said so. You have a close and great fight and its gets tarnished. This aint American Idol, its who KNOWS BOXING:yep

I credit JMM for his effort but Pacs power carried the day. PAC fought much improved over the first fight and didnt allow JMM to maintain enough momentum to pull it.
You're saying Pac deserved the nod like if JMM won he wouldn't deserve it. Most of the top posters on this site felt JMM won a very close fight (many of them thought he CLEARLY won).. you can't say JMM didn't do enough to pull out a win. This prediction league is about who knows boxing, so to me after a result where most people that "know boxing" thought that JMM won the fight, a Pac win should not be counted and the fight should not count for anyone. But again, the Pac win wll count.. so this doesn't matter now.

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :D

[dangerousity]

You're saying Pac deserved the nod like if JMM won he wouldn't deserve it. Most of the top posters on this site felt JMM won a very close fight (many of them thought he CLEARLY won).. you can't say JMM didn't do enough to pull out a win. This prediction league is about who knows boxing, so to me after a result where most people that "know boxing" thought that JMM won the fight, a Pac win should not be counted and the fight should not count for anyone. But again, the Pac win wll count.. so this doesn't matter now.

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :D

And had the decision gone to JMM you will have 50% claiming he didnt, should we then reverse the decision of the judges again?

[kg0208]

I give up....I just do:rasta

[huki]

And had the decision gone to JMM you will have 50% claiming he didnt, should we then reverse the decision of the judges again?
If over 50% thought JMM won, then how could 50% claim he didn't? That doesn't add up.

But once again:

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :-D




Enough about this, the Pac win counts.. just post your picks. I'm out.

[C Money]

You're saying Pac deserved the nod like if JMM won he wouldn't deserve it. Most of the top posters on this site felt JMM won a very close fight (many of them thought he CLEARLY won).. you can't say JMM didn't do enough to pull out a win. This prediction league is about who knows boxing, so to me after a result where most people that "know boxing" thought that JMM won the fight, a Pac win should not be counted and the fight should not count for anyone. But again, the Pac win wll count.. so this doesn't matter now.

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :D

Knowing boxing lives and dies by the results. Might I add ,You were #1 and I #2 last year? So the TOP 2 were split and its a close fight. I wouldnt be arguing a result change if it were the other way around, though I'd disagree:good

I take nothing away from JMM or you. I shudder at every close fight going to popular vote:-(

[iceman]

Alright, the Pac fight will count. I shouldn't have even brought all this stuff up, but it seemed unfair to me to make a decision that over 50% of posters disagreed with count.

The point of this league is just to have fun anyways and there's no point of turning this into a thread full of arguing. The Pac win counts. I'll add up the scores with the scores from this week's fights.

This is a good decision Huki.I don't say this because i picked Pacman but because i thought the review committee was set up for really bad decisions/outright robberies.:good

BTW Casa close ud
Andrade tko8

[psychopath]

There is no precedent being set....because the fight wasn't actually contested by the panel. Someone THOUGHT it should be contested.

It can't be contested unless a vast majority think it's a robbery. Being a close fight where it could have gone either way isn't part of the deal and won't be.

I know the panel is not officially contesting it, but I saw a part of his post that says 50% of the members doesn't agree with the decission. So if that fight will not be counted because majority doesn't agree then . . . we will be creating a precedent.

It doesn't matter now . . . because Huki said it will count . . . I'm just expressing my point.

[theunderdog]

casamayor wide UD
andrade wide UD

[MSTR]

Andrade KO- 9, Katsidis- Close UD.

[PacDbest]

If over 50% thought JMM won, then how could 50% claim he didn't? That doesn't add up.

But once again:

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :-D




Enough about this, the Pac win counts.. just post your picks. I'm out.

Huki.. cry too much. A close fight is not a robbery, definitely should be counted. What if I bet Money on Pac??? Is that mean your not gonna Pay me because you thought JMM won???:hi:


Here's my Pick: I Previously pick Katsidis. But Now I change my mind.

Casa close UD
Andrade KO in 5

[this bloke]

katsidis -close ud
andrade- wide ud

[IntentionalButt]

Huki.. cry too much. A close fight is not a robbery, definitely should be counted. What if I bet Money on Pac??? Is that mean your not gonna Pay me because you thought JMM won???:hi:
Money and fun are two different things. With money on the line, obviously you would have to go with the decision of record to the letter without question. In a league predicting the outcomes of fights for fun, not only is the line a bit vaguer as to whether the goal in the first place is ostensibly to correctly pick the official outcome of record or the actual outcome as perceived by the majority of participants, it also doesn't matter because the stakes are lower, or more accurately - they are in a different arena. With only bragging rights on the line, it does become very important how you as an individual scored this fight (hopefully with little to no bias) - because neither those who picked and scored it for Pac nor those who picked and scored it for JMM are going to cease their bragging for a long time to come, anyhow.

[sues2nd]

Casa wide UD

Andrade TKO 6

[H .]

Katsidis - close ud

Andrade - wide ud

[Decebal]

Thanks, huki...

I have started a thread where these issues raised here can be decided. Please read the opening post before voting 4 times.:good

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[bulakenyo]

Katsidis UD close
Andrade T/KO 8



I actually think Casa would be the more dominating fighter come fight night, but I predict he's gonna get a bum decision.

[TheGeezer]

Katsidis TKO 10
Andrade TKO 5

[Boro chris]

Katsidis clear ud.

Never seen Stiegl...whatever his fucking name is so I wont be voting on that fight. Last time I did that Lacy got his ass kicked. Wont happen again.

[Decebal]

Katsidis clear ud.

Never seen Stiegl...whatever his fucking name is so I wont be voting on that fight. Last time I did that Lacy got his ass kicked. Wont happen

again.

First 3 rounds of Berrio v. Stieglitz II

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First 7 rounds of Andrade v. Mack

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[Boro chris]

First 3 rounds of Berrio v. Stieglitz II

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First 7 rounds of Andrade v. Mack

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Bless ya possum!:D

Ok. Andrade rsc 8. Stieglitz dosen't like it to the body and his face is a magnet for right hands.

[Decebal]

Bless ya possum!:D

Ok. Andrade rsc 8. Stieglitz dosen't like it to the body and his face is a magnet for right hands.


You can find Katsidis' last fight and Casamayor v. Corrales there too...do a search!;)

[Decebal]

Katsidis T/KO 6 :think

Andrade T/KO 9 :happy

[dangerousity]

If over 50% thought JMM won, then how could 50% claim he didn't? That doesn't add up.

But once again:

This thread doesn't need to turn into a JMM/Pac discussion thread. We can do that somewhere else. Lets stop discussing this issue and just post the picks, so the thread will be easier for me to look through when I have to find people's picks and count all this shit up. :-D




Enough about this, the Pac win counts.. just post your picks. I'm out.

Last I checked on the poll, 48% thought JMM won, that would mean 52% thought he didnt. And last I checked on the robbery poll, 75% thought it was a fair decision that could have gone either way, thus they accept Pac as winner.

[Pimp C]

Casa close UD
Andrade wide UD

[huki]

Casamayor close UD
Andrade TKO 6

[brooklyn1550]

Katsidis close UD
Andrade TKO 8

[boxeo#1]

Can I join?

Casamayor close decision

[Decebal]

I have started a thread where these issues raised here can be decided. Please read the opening post before voting 4 times.:good

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:good

[KobeIsGod]

Katsidis close UD
Andrade t/ko 6

Bonus pick: Vegas Buffet close UD Scam Cheater (aka the Goat Herder) :D

[cannon5974]

Casamayor tko in 9!

Andrade tko in 7!

[cardstars]

Casamayor close UD (2)

Andrade t/ko 10

[sjc]

Casamayor close ud

Andrade ko9

[Dorfmeister]

Katsidis close UD Casamayor

Andrade T/KO 10 Stieglitz

[Caliboxing]

Casamayor close UD.

Andrade tko 9.

[Hawks28]

Katsidis, probably by a close decision

Andrade by tko in the 10th.

[Decebal]

Katsidis, probably by a close decision

Andrade by tko

Don't forget the round of the TKO, for more points.;)

[THN]

Andrade ko 7.
Katsidis ud.

[Decebal]

Andrade ko 7.
Katsidis ud.

close or wide UD?

[THN]

Close

[Astola]

katsidis close ud

Andrade tko 6

[Bubba]

Andrade wide UD

Katsidis TKO11

[Brickhaus]

Stieglitz SD
Casamayor close UD

[Larson]

Casamayor Wide UD

Andrade t/ko 9

Damn I was close! :lol: I get extra points right?

[Drew101]

Katsidis UD (116-112)
Andrade KO 10

[Larson]

Do you have to get the prediction exactly right 4 points?

[bulakenyo]

Katsidis UD close
Andrade T/KO 8



I actually think Casa would be the more dominating fighter come fight night, but I predict he's gonna get a bum decision.


1 out of 2 aint bad.

[psychopath]

1 out of 2 aint bad.

Andrade via stoppage in the 8th
Katsidis close Decission

Same here. :D

[cardstars]

well 2 for 2 should make up for the JMM choice.....

[psychopath]

well 2 for 2 should make up for the JMM choice.....

Kats was on the way to winning it by decission . . . until he got starched.

. . . almost 2 for 2 for me. :huh :rofl

[CJLightweight]

Casamayor TKO 8

Andrade TKO 5

nice prediction there:D seems you're the only one who got it right, almost though a few rounds close but you got it right:good

[huki]

Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know that there won't be a predictions league thread this next week. No fights are big enough to be included.

[Decebal]

Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know that there won't be a predictions league thread this next week. No fights are big enough to be included.

Are you still going to do the scores this week, huki? (Do you have the time?) I wouldn't mind seeing how everyone's done in the last three fights (one blue riband)

:good

[Amsterdam]

nice prediction there:D seems you're the only one who got it right, almost though a few rounds close but you got it right:good

:good

[Decebal]

Yeah, I'm very impressed with those who picked Casa by stoppage!:shock: :shock: :shock:

In fact, only two people got it right this week: Amsterdam and cannon5974.

:clap:

[huki]

Are you still going to do the scores this week, huki? (Do you have the time?) I wouldn't mind seeing how everyone's done in the last three fights (one blue riband)

:good
Yeah, I will sometime this week. I have a ton of homework to do tomorrow though and during the rest of the week. I thought I would do it today but instead I got very excited about the Casamayor fight and spent the entire day fucking around and doing everything but homework. :-( It's all good though.. I'll have the scores done guaranteed by next thursday. Not too excited about seeing my score though. :| One Marquez loss, one Marquez screwover, and my Castillo pick messed me up in this league. I'm winning lbarrow's league though, which is the complete opposite of this one that uses a system I've always hated. :lol:

[Decebal]

Yeah, I will sometime this week. I have a ton of homework to do tomorrow though and during the rest of the week. I thought I would do it today but instead I got very excited about the Casamayor fight and spent the entire day fucking around and doing everything but homework. :-( It's all good though.. I'll have the scores done guaranteed by next thursday. Not too excited about seeing my score though. :| One Marquez loss, one Marquez screwover, and my Castillo pick messed me up in this league. I'm winning lbarrow's league though, which is the complete opposite of this one that uses a system I've always hated. :lol:

:lol:

Don't bother with the scores then, huki!

Work comes first. Just post the scores with the new thread next week!:good

[huki]

:lol:

Don't bother with the scores then, huki!

Work comes first. Just post the scores with the new thread next week!:good
I was looking at the fights for the next 2 weeks and it looks like there are no big fights at all until the HBO/Showtime doubleheaders.

[Decebal]

I was looking at the fights for the next 2 weeks and it looks like there are no big fights at all until the HBO/Showtime doubleheaders.

Sorry...I meant "next week" as in next Monday, not this Monday...sorry.

[Decebal]

Decisions about the running of the league - huki, please take note and put into effect:

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1. The current system system regulating changes in official results vis a vis robberies will be maintained as it is:

The five members chosen for the review panel - brooklyn1550, kg0208, sean, McGrain and sues2nd - would have to agree unanimously that a robbery had occurred, for the official result to be changed. In other words, every one of them would have to say not just that the wrong man was given the nod by the judges, but that the "real" winner was robbed of the victory, for the official judges' result to be changed.

2. The scoring system will be changed to include the following option:

"SD/Draw" (split decision/draw) - worth 50 points - to be picked whenever we feel a fight is truly 50/50 and that it could go either way, not just on the basis of the two fighters being equally matched, but also on the basis of the judges most likely not agreeing which style is "worth" more: e.g. pressure over counterpunching or counterpunching over pressure, etc.

Thus, under this system, a correct SD/draw pick, when the official result was either Draw or Split Decision, would win you 50 points.

A majority decision e.g. 114-113, 114-113, 113-113 - would still count as a "close UD" for scoring purposes, just like it has so far.

3. Keep current "blue riband" system in place for really big fights - these fights will be scored for twice the points that "normal" fights are scored for.

4. a) For a fight to be considered "blue riband", pickers must vote for it by a 50% majority

e.g.

"Should Calzaghe v. Hopkins be considered a "blue riband" event?"

1. Yes....number of voted 18

No...number of votes 12

Result - it is considered a "blue riband" event.

2. Yes...number of voted 18

No...number of votes 13

Result - it is NOT considered a "blue riband" event.

b) For a fight to be included the league, pickers must vote for it to be included by a majority of 50%

e.g. "Should Andrade v. Stieglitz be selected for the Big Fights League?"

1. Yes, it's a big enough fight....number of voted 18

No, it's not a big enough fight...number of votes 12

Result - it qualifies for the league and we pick on it.

2. Yes, it's a big enough fight ...number of voted 18

No, it's not a big enough fight...number of votes 13

Result - it does NOT qualify for the league and we DON'T pick on it.

(These polls would take place in this week's thread for next week's fights - always one week in advance)

[Decebal]

The system used to score fights will be the following, as voted by you:

correct winner = 15
correct winner + correct decision pick = 25
correct winner + correct stoppage pick = 30Decision picks:

correct wide or close decision pick* = 30Stoppage picks**:

3 rounds or less off correct stoppage round = 35
1 round off correct stoppage round = 40
correct stoppage round = 45Split Decision or Draw***:

SD/Draw = 50 points

* a wide unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are four points or more apart e.g. 116-112, 116-112, 115-112
* a close unanimous decision: a decision where all three judges score the fight for one fighter and two or more of the judges' scores are three points or less apart and the other is a draw e.g. 115-112, 115-112, 116-112, or 115-112, 115-112, 114-114. (A majority decision is scored as a close unanimous decision.)

** a disqualification or retirement will count as a stoppage win.

*** A split decision: a decision where two judges score the fight for one fighter and the other one - for the other fighter e.g. 115-112, 112-115, 114-113. A split decision should be picked together with a draw: pick "SD/Draw" when you think a fight is truly 50/50 and could go either way. However, if you think A has the slightest edge over B, pick "A UD close".

Blue riband events - really big fights like Pavlik v. Taylor, Calzaghe v. Hopkins, etc. - will count for twice the points as usual big fights. Scores for those blue riband events get multiplied by two.

How to post your picks:

Please post your picks as follows: e.g.

"Calzaghe UD wide", if you think Calzaghe will win a unanimous decision over Kessler at a difference of points greater or equal to four points

"Calzaghe UD close", if you think Calzaghe will win a decision over Kessler at a difference of points smaller or equal to three points, a majority or split decision.

"Kessler T/KO 3", if you think Kessler will beat Calzaghe by stoppage, disqualification or retirement in the third round. Always pick a stoppage round when you make a pick!

"Calzaghe SD/Draw Kessler" if you think the fight between Calzaghe and Kessler will end up a draw or a split decision

If you pick a stoppage - say what round!
If you pick a decision - say "wide" or "close"!
If you think the fight is 50/50 - pick "SD/Draw"


Joining late

Anyone can join the league at any time, even late. In order to give late starters a chance to compete fairly, they will start in the middle of the pack, at the median position, out of those who have participated every week.

Missing a week

If for some reason you miss a week and you are in the top 25 in the league, you will be allocated the median score for that week. Everyone has 3 lives (will be "saved" up to three times). This, to ensure top pickers are not demotivated by their failure to pick one week.

Clean sweep

A clean sweep system will be applied for weeks with 5 fights or more. The clean sweep bonus will be 20 points.

Contested results

If, by common consensus, a clear robbery might have occured, a review panel made up of brooklyn1550, kg0208, sean, McGrain and sues2nd will decide whether the result should be overruled for the purposes of our league. Unless they all agree unanimously that it was a robbery, we go by official results.


Good luck! :good

[Decebal]

so...huki, you will need to set up a poll each week for the fights coming up next week, so we can all vote whether certain fights should be included or not and whether certain fights should be considered blue riband events or not...you need to plan ahead...use your judgement to decide which fights merit the votes in the first place.

(I have done this when I was running the league...have a look at the polls I was running, please)

Make the vote end-date the coming Friday. The 50% majority rule is in place to decide whether a fight is picked for the league and whether it's blue-riband or not.

:good