Arum to JMM: Fight Valero or Guzman while we go for Diaz

[Nestea]

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Bob Arum, the helpful elf that he can be at times, does not want to see the top echelon of the 130-pound division lie dormant while Manny Pacquiao tests lightweight waters against WBC champ David Diaz.

So the Pacman promoter has this suggestion when Mexican ringmaster Juan Manuel Marquez is done licking his wounds from his second bout with the Pinoy idol, take on undefeated Dominican,WBO champion Joan Guzman, undefeated WBA KO artist Edwin Valero or both of them.

“I keep saying this but I said it before Saturday’s bout and I will say it once again,” Arum told Boxingconfidential from his Las Vegas think tank. “and that is that Juan Manuel is an exciting fighter. There is no reason for him to just sit around while Manny is moving up in weight, which he is, against David.

“What Marquez should do is to fight Guzman, fight Valero or fight them both. Look, it’s not like the rest of the 130-pounders are all tomato cans. I’d say that Marquez against Guzman is a good matchup of styles and I can say the same thing for Valero against Marquez.”

Guzman has a mandatory title defense finally set for May 3 in Edinburgh, Scotland, against outgunned Scotsman Alex Arthur. If he gets past Arthur, would Guzman be interested in battling Marquez?

“No doubt,” Guzman manager Jose Nunez said. “We just resigned with Sycuan and we want the most meaningful bouts we can get so that includes Pacman, Marquez, Valero and anyone else. But Priority 1 is Alex Arthur and we’ve got to go overseas and take care of that business first.

“I do appreciate the shout out from Bob Arum though.”

[Nestea]

Looks like Arum gave JMM some good choices. If he fights either both of these guys and win, he'll get a new belt.

[theunderdog]

Looks like Arum gave JMM some good choices. If he fights either both of these guys and win, he'll get a new belt.


we all know why arum said that. it is to eliminate one of the people who are calling out for pac. if that fight ends in a draw, then two of them are out of the equation

[knockout]

Something tells me jmm is going to pick Valero because hes a young hard hitting southpaw like Manny could be a good tune up for him,Guzman too risky.

[puga_ni_nana]

well, a nice ploy by arum. i would not complain for a guzman-marquez or a valero-marquez match though.

[Arriba]

Arum trying to buy time to finish the trilogy.

I'm sure he picked Valero and Guzman because they both have a chance (although minimal) to beat JMM. Guzman has the style, Valero has the power.

JMM beats both....maybe even in the same night.

[knockout]

well, a nice ploy by arum. i would not complain for a guzman-marquez or a valero-marquez match though.I would mind seeing Marquez/Guzman cuz i wanna see how there style will mesh.

[knockout]

Arum trying to buy time to finish the trilogy.

I'm sure he picked Valero and Guzman because they both have a chance (although minimal) to beat JMM. Guzman has the style, Valero has the power.

JMM beats both....maybe even in the same night.How bout the same time.:D

[Shaolin Box]

I'd like to see JMM take on Guzman. This would be a good test for Guzman. IMO JMM takes him easily...

[Morrissey]

Or he can take Soto.

It is not the end of the world for him after this loss to Pac.

Afterwards, he can have a rematch with Pac once more.

[puga_ni_nana]

I would mind seeing Marquez/Guzman cuz i wanna see how there style will mesh.

it's going to be a tactical match. i don't expect a war but this would be a good boxing match. marquez could be the agressor on this one.

[knockout]

Yup and Guzman faster on the trigger.:good

[theunderdog]

Or he can take Soto.

It is not the end of the world for him after this loss to Pac.

Afterwards, he can have a rematch with Pac once more.

Soto is already sceduled to take on mzonke fana so that takes him out of the equation for the mean time.

a guzman-jmm match will be fun to watch. i don't think valero deserves a shot at jmm

[Chert]

Or he can take Soto.

It is not the end of the world for him after this loss to Pac.

Afterwards, he can have a rematch with Pac once more.
not worthwhile for jmm to take on soto. he won't gain any prestige and legacy fighting him. soto doesn't currently have a belt and he already lost to guzman.

like arum said, jmm should take on either guzman or valero while pac is busy w/ diaz. jmm can grab himself a belt and probably have better leverage in negos for the third fight w/ pac.

as an alternative, jmm can take on a beltholder @135, either the winner of kats-casa or nate campbell so he and pac can have a unification fight @135 for their third fight of the trilogy.

[Morrissey]

Soto is already sceduled to take on mzonke fana so that takes him out of the equation for the mean time.

a guzman-jmm match will be fun to watch. i don't think valero deserves a shot at jmm

Valero is a champ, so it will still be a good idea for JMM to pick that one up.

As for Guzman, I'd be more excited to see it than any fight for JMM.

And this fight won't be boring. It will be like MAB-JMM but with more activity.

JMM camp should really consider this one.

[Morrissey]

not worthwhile for jmm to take on soto. he won't gain any prestige and legacy fighting him. soto doesn't currently have a belt and he already lost to guzman.

like arum said, jmm should take on either guzman or valero while pac is busy w/ diaz. jmm can grab himself a belt and probably have better leverage in negos for the third fight w/ pac.

as an alternative, jmm can take on a beltholder @135, either the winner of kats-casa or nate campbell so he and pac can have a unification fight @135 for their third fight of the trilogy.

If Soto wins against Fana, JMM should take it.

A difficult fight for sure, but a solid win for him nonetheless.

[dangerousity]

On one side of the coin, JMM-Guzman can eliminate Guzman off Pac's list so its all good for Arum, however should JMM loose the 3rd match will be alot less lucrative so Arum will probably choose not to set up a 3rd fight. I personally want a third fight cos I still believe that one of these days, Pac will KO that tough bastard :)

[theunderdog]

Arum trying to buy time to finish the trilogy.

I'm sure he picked Valero and Guzman because they both have a chance (although minimal) to beat JMM. Guzman has the style, Valero has the power.

JMM beats both....maybe even in the same night.


you utterly underestimate guzman

[Morrissey]

On one side of the coin, JMM-Guzman can eliminate Guzman off Pac's list so its all good for Arum, however should JMM loose the 3rd match will be alot less lucrative so Arum will probably choose not to set up a 3rd fight. I personally want a third fight cos I still believe that one of these days, Pac will KO that tough bastard :)

I am with you on this one.

At the same time, JMM presents a very hard match-up for him for 12 rounds.

[Nestea]

Arum proposed this to Marquez I think mainly because he doesn't want to just sit and wait for Pacquiao if a third bout is about to happen. He wants Marquez to have a tune up fights like Pacquiao and Morales did on their trilogy.

Also it's common sense Arum wants Marquez to take one down of the rising stars of 130lbs.

If he went to Valero, both can get good resumes aftermath, If Marquez wins it proves Valero still needs more experience and not ready yet for big names(not that im underrating him). If Valero wins, meaning he has a chance to take Pacquiao on.

If he went for Guzman, still both will get good resumes, If Marquez wins the more the chance his rematch with Pacquiao will be hyped and possible. If Guzman wins, he'll get a chance to take on Pacquiao in the future.

So either way, Marquez needs to win this tune up fights for the rematch to be close as possible before this year ends.

While of course, on the other hand. Pacquiao will take the more higher risk going up at 135lbs proving himself with a tough fighter and a lightweight champion(D.Diaz).

[Nestea]

Right on dude domingo, There is a possibility, if JMM can pick or even agree on Arum's statement. They may be able to catch up before the presscon of Pacquiao-Diaz.

We all know that Pacquiao-Diaz bout will get delayed because Pacquiao still needs to heal his cut and so is Marquez.

Also the other guy also point out that Marquez should find a belt holder at 135lbs. And make a unification bout with Pacquiao at lightweight. Though I know its impossible and mostly even JMM nor Pacquiao isn't tested against lightweight fighters. JMM won't take the risk on the higher weight. He can just grab a new belt at superfeatherweight in my opinion.

[Chert]

If Soto wins against Fana, JMM should take it.

A difficult fight for sure, but a solid win for him nonetheless.

even if soto wins vs. fana (who?), jmm doesn't gain any legacy or prestige by defeating soto as soto already lost badly to guzman. the guzman fight is really the one for jmm to consider. if not, maybe one of the beltholders @135, either the winner of kats-casa or nate campbell.

[fitzgeraldz]

A fight with Valero is too dangerous and to top it off he's not well known in the US. A loss against him will have the same effect the Chris John loss did. Guzman is known, undefeated, boxer ... there's no worry about a lucky punch getting landed and JMM getting knocked out ... a fight with Guzman will just be a 12 round boxing match.

But Guzman has to worry about defending his belt overseas against Arthur.

[Lance_Uppercut]

:lol::lol: Arum says to pick more dangerous fighters then who Pac is facing?

[PH|LLA]

Marquez vs Guzman would be nice

[fitzgeraldz]

Humberto Soto is another legit/credible opponent ... a fight with him will keep JMM in the thoughts of fight fans ...

Shame on Arum for going for a bullshit title against a guy who hasn't fought anyone.

A win over David Diaz won't mean anything significant and will probably expose PacMan to a certain degree. Diaz has a great chin and won't go down against the smaller Pacquiao ... i'm pretty sure Diaz will take the fight to the inside ... he's strong ... and won't easily be moved.

Pacquiao can't fight going backwards ... I can see Diaz pulling off the upset ... and he'll fight the best fight of his career.

I don't see Pacquiao fighting from the outside and potshotting ... I see him getting backed up and taking some brutal punishment. Coming from jr flyweight and moving all the way up to lightweight is too dangerous, no matterr who he's fighting against.

Morales came from Bantamweight ... was a skilled fighter and still had trouble against Raheem, a fight who could box, but didn't have the power to knockout a full fledge lightweight ... yet he was knocking Morales around. Then Morales fought against Diaz ... his boxing kept him in the fight with his left jab ... but Pacquiao can't rely on his boxing.

Just like Morales ... we don't know how the weight gain will effect Pacquiao's body. He's already starting to look sluggish at super featherweight ... PacMan can lose his speed, power, and stamina/endurance.

Diaz gets strong as the fight goes on (in all of his fights) ... Diaz' only loss was against a boxer (Kendall Holt) who was on his toes, moved, and boxed. Somethink that Pacquiao can't do!!

[Nestea]

@chert
You're right JMM-Soto won't do any good, simply nothing to gain. I don't know why they even bother to name Soto against Marquez.

@fitz
Valero is banned at US so they have to fight at other states. Like some poster above, I hope Marquez-Guzman(wish it happens) and Pacquiao-Diaz is on the same card. Marquez needs to win this one so Arum would be willing to make the rematch, Pacquiao wants the rematch, Marquez wants the rematch its only Arum in the way.

@lance_uppercut
Pacquiao is facing the more risk, it will be his first fight at lightweight where he isn't proven even with his skills and capabilities. While Marquez may stay at SF where he is more comfortable.

[Boom_Boom]

I read somewhere that November is the earliest that JMM can fight again with his cut fully healed.

I would like to see JMM fight Guzman or Nate Campbell next though.

[fitzgeraldz]

Campbell is too strong for any superfeather ... he will probably knock them out... he's very strong for a lightweight.

[Nestea]

Humberto Soto is another legit/credible opponent ... a fight with him will keep JMM in the thoughts of fight fans ...

Shame on Arum for going for a bullshit title against a guy who hasn't fought anyone.

A win over David Diaz won't mean anything significant and will probably expose PacMan to a certain degree. Diaz has a great chin and won't go down against the smaller Pacquiao ... i'm pretty sure Diaz will take the fight to the inside ... he's strong ... and won't easily be moved.

Pacquiao can't fight going backwards ... I can see Diaz pulling off the upset ... and he'll fight the best fight of his career.

I don't see Pacquiao fighting from the outside and potshotting ... I see him getting backed up and taking some brutal punishment. Coming from jr flyweight and moving all the way up to lightweight is too dangerous, no matterr who he's fighting against.

Morales came from Bantamweight ... was a skilled fighter and still had trouble against Raheem, a fight who could box, but didn't have the power to knockout a full fledge lightweight ... yet he was knocking Morales around. Then Morales fought against Diaz ... his boxing kept him in the fight with his left jab ... but Pacquiao can't rely on his boxing.

Just like Morales ... we don't know how the weight gain will effect Pacquiao's body. He's already starting to look sluggish at super featherweight ... PacMan can lose his speed, power, and stamina/endurance.

I think your underrating Pacquiao here.

We saw that Pacquiao can now fight backwards and able to defend successfully against counter punches.

Pacquiao isn't proven at Lightweight though his chance isn't that small, his body is now rejecting him going at 130lbs. We all saw that he weighted around 145lbs at fight night. So compare to him, he ain't small.

Only Pacquiao needs to do is unleash his wilder side again and use his new defense and right punches. He over discipline his last bout, like he said in one article, they're plan was to try to counter attack a counter puncher.

[fitzgeraldz]

I think your underrating Pacquiao here.

We saw that Pacquiao can now fight backwards and able to defend successfully against counter punches.

Pacquiao isn't proven at Lightweight though his chance isn't that small, his body is now rejecting him going at 130lbs. We all saw that he weighted around 145lbs at fight night. So compare to him, he ain't small.

Only Pacquiao needs to do is unleash his wilder side again and use his new defense and right punches. He over discipline his last bout, like he said in one article, they're plan was to try to counter attack a counter puncher.

What fight did Pacquiao show that he can box going backwards? Not his last fight ... he was the aggressor most of the fight and didn't counter punch at all. JMM played the boxer/counter puncher ... Pac didn't show anything but that his stamina was suspect at 130, he couldn't take body punches well, and that when his back was against the ropes all he could do was hope for a brawl. He still showed that he had poor balance and that if given the chance he will abandon his right hand and throw that straight left at any given moment. I only see a handful of right hooks and that was early in the fight.

What defense did he show?

He took alot of punishment during that fight ... he showed his weakness to the body ... something that Diaz would be happy to expose.

For the record Pacquiao didn't even think he won the fight ... check out the post fight interview. When Merchant asked him what he did different, he looked confused as if he didn't know... but he knew what Marquez did different and point them out w/o any problems.

Watch David Diaz fight more than once before you jump to conclusion -- this guy is too rugged.

[PATSYS]

He should go after Guzman. If he wins, a 3rd fight with Pac should be imminent.

[fitzgeraldz]

Arum better worry about Diaz ... if he makes a mistake against Diaz, he could find himself sleep on the canvas.

Never say never ... we don't know how his chin holds up against the punch of a lightweight ... we don't know how his stamina/endurance will hold up ... and he's not going to miraculously have great boxing skills in a few months.

Southpaw against Southpaw is a difficult fight as well ... can someone tell me when the last time PacMan fought a fellow southpaw.

[Boom_Boom]

What fight did Pacquiao show that he can box going backwards? Not his last fight ... he was the aggressor most of the fight and didn't counter punch at all. JMM played the boxer/counter puncher ... Pac didn't show anything but that his stamina was suspect at 130, he couldn't take body punches well, and that when his back was against the ropes all he could do was hope for a brawl. He still showed that he had poor balance and that if given the chance he will abandon his right hand and throw that straight left at any given moment. I only see a handful of right hooks and that was early in the fight.

What defense did he show?

He took alot of punishment during that fight ... he showed his weakness to the body ... something that Diaz would be happy to expose.

For the record Pacquiao didn't even think he won the fight ... check out the post fight interview. When Merchant asked him what he did different, he looked confused as if he didn't know... but he knew what Marquez did different and point them out w/o any problems.

What David Diaz fight more than once before you jump to conclusion -- this guy is too rugged.

oh brother :roll:

[fitzgeraldz]

Its some bullshit ... because once pacquiao loses, there's going to be an excuse on why he didn't win ... "oh it was too big of a weight jump" ... "Diaz was just too big" ... "blah, blah, blah"

[PH|LLA]

Its some bullshit ... because once pacquiao loses, there's going to be an excuse on why he didn't win ... "oh it was too big of a weight jump" ... "Diaz was just too big" ... "blah, blah, blah"
whatever hater your opinion is dogshit.

[fitzgeraldz]

For the record i'm non bias ... I had no money on the fight and I don't discriminate against fighters.

I like fighters both the same ... i'm not a fan boy ... but when it comes to boxing skill -- I see the difference between the two. And I notice Pacquiao doesn't have any !!

[fitzgeraldz]

Hey i'm not the once who's going to cry once Pacquiao loses ... you fanboys are.

[BigBone]

The Guzman fight is what I want to see therefore I voted for that, but I think the Arthur fight will be the last one in SFW for Joan then he moves up...

JMM was always a FW fighter even in the MAB and PacMan fights. The only reason he should stay at SFW is to get prepared for Manny... but if the 3rd fight will be at LW, the best choice would be a smaller fight at 135. Something like JMM-Santa Cruz.

But another good option would be a JMM-John rematch at SFW, in the US. Or fight Israel Vazquez, that's a huge PPV fight, family business, call it however you feel... Marquez is in a pretty good position IMO, while everyone will trash Manny for taking on Diaz instead of JMM for the trilogy, Maquez can say: hey, I wanted the fight, he wasn't - and fight a smaller fight.


JMM vs. Guzman, John, Vazquez, Valero, Guerrero, Linares, Luevano, Gamboa... great fights out there...

[PH|LLA]

Hey i'm not the once who's going to cry once Pacquiao loses ... you fanboys are.
no that's right

you're the one crying now.

[fitzgeraldz]

crying over what?

[drunkenspaniard]

JMM - Guzman would be the better fight, but JMM - Valero would be the easier fight for Marquez, given that he is a textbook boxer with straight punches, which would make short work of Valero and his wide looping punches. Although, it could turn out ala MAB - Pacquiao I.

[fitzgeraldz]

Theres no reward for the risk fight Valero ... who can land a lucky punch and and JMM's night. Marquez has been shown to have a weakness for the straight left and Valero's straight left would kill someone.

Valero's hooks are looping .... he throws his left straight ... he does paw alot with the jab as well ... but Valero has a solid chin and can take punches from the best of them.

The worry is when a straight left from Valero lands ... who can stand tall against that ... he's going to land atleast one and for him thats all it takes.

I seen him sparring against Santa Cruz and he hurt Santa Cruz with head gear on ... the truth is Santa Cruz is a lightweight/ light welterweight ... and Valero hurt him with training gloves and head gear on.

Valero is no different from Pacquiao ... except he has more power and better balance.

[Morrissey]

Theres no reward for the risk fight Valero ... who can land a lucky punch and and JMM's night. Marquez has been shown to have a weakness for the straight left and Valero's straight left would kill someone.

Valero's hooks are looping .... he throws his left straight ... he does paw alot with the jab as well ... but Valero has a solid chin and can take punches from the best of them.

The worry is when a straight left from Valero lands ... who can stand tall against that ... he's going to land atleast one and for him thats all it takes.

I seen him sparring against Santa Cruz and he hurt Santa Cruz with head gear on ... the truth is Santa Cruz is a lightweight/ light welterweight ... and Valero hurt him with training gloves and head gear on.

Valero is no different from Pacquiao ... except he has more power and better balance.

This is not proven yet.

Mosquera hurt him in their fight, and we all know Mosquera is not a legit B-contender in any stretch of imagination.

I can't wait for him to face a Juarez or Soto or even Bobby Pacquaio so we can actually see his potential.

[fitzgeraldz]

Valero has a solid chin and can take a punch ... yeah he's been down, but thats part of the business ...

No matter who you're taking a punch from a solid punch is a solid punch, especially on the championship level.

[Nestea]

I don't underrate Valero, I like his skills and punching ability. But, He is yet to be proven against the top 5 contenders of Super Featherweight division.



What fight did Pacquiao show that he can box going backwards? Not his last fight ... he was the aggressor most of the fight and didn't counter punch at all. JMM played the boxer/counter puncher ... Pac didn't show anything but that his stamina was suspect at 130, he couldn't take body punches well, and that when his back was against the ropes all he could do was hope for a brawl. He still showed that he had poor balance and that if given the chance he will abandon his right hand and throw that straight left at any given moment. I only see a handful of right hooks and that was early in the fight.

What defense did he show?

He took alot of punishment during that fight ... he showed his weakness to the body ... something that Diaz would be happy to expose.

For the record Pacquiao didn't even think he won the fight ... check out the post fight interview. When Merchant asked him what he did different, he looked confused as if he didn't know... but he knew what Marquez did different and point them out w/o any problems.

Watch David Diaz fight more than once before you jump to conclusion -- this guy is too rugged.

@Fitzgeraldz
You say your neutral? But most I see on your post are all against Pacquiao. Don't worry just admit it, that doesn't matter to me. Hope those extreme Pacfans won't get to you sooner.
Anyway, As I saw last fight of Marquez-Pacquiao II, I saw Manny able to block most of Marquez punches. Maybe try to watch closely with replays and slow mos as I did.
Oh yeah If your thinking I'm siding Pacquiao, I had it draw on my score card. My only defense for Pacquiao is his 3rd round KO and Marquez his 8th round control.
Marquez easily controlled the 8th round because Pacquiao was blinded(you can see him wiping his eyes 3-4 times). Marquez body shot was fantastic, He knew Pacquiao was blinded in that side and punches that you don't see can hurt a lot.
Nice arguing with you but I don't see any good points out of you. Sorry.

[4Rounder]

How about move up as well and fight the winner of Katsidis/Casamayor. Becoming the Ring champion at LW is a great feat for legacy.

But I would like to see him fight Guzman this year.

[fitzgeraldz]

I love Pacquioa ... I order his fights on PPV

I don't think I would pay my hard earned money on a guy who doesn't appeal to me.

I do have a problem with his fans but thats nothing against Pacquiao ... I point out his flaws ... and I call fights how I see them. I wasn't bitter that he beat Marquez and I wasn't bitter about the decision.

I do think that he will lose to Diaz and thats that ... if he wins ... I will give him respect.

I thought he lost but the decision was offical and mine wasn't, so he is the champ at 130. I think his team is setting him up for a nasty fall and I don't like that either. There are plenty of fish to fry at 130 ...

I thought that Diaz won fare against Morales even though I had Morales winning the fight -- I don't think that Pacquiao is further ahead in his career than Morales was despite beating the man twice. Pacquiao is fast and strong but the constant moving up in weight and all these rematches with the same fighters don't fare well with me.

[cardstars]

I say go for Guzman (although he could lose that fight). Leave the hype-job that is Valero to young up and comer Gamboa

[Nestea]

How about move up as well and fight the winner of Katsidis/Casamayor. Becoming the Ring champion at LW is a great feat for legacy.

But I would like to see him fight Guzman this year.
As I would like him to fight whoever wins at Katsidis/Casamayor, he should go for a mid-risk bout which is Guzman or Valero. 130lbs is where JMM is more comfortable at the moment.

Pacquiao is moving up to the lightweight and for so many times everyone and team Pacquiao is yapping. Pacquiao's body is rejecting him going down at 130lbs that's why they're doing it. Even as high risk it takes, they can't always force a body back who is growing naturally.

Eventually its a good fight to see JMM-Guzman and Pacquiao-Diaz, and if both came out of top. I don't see why the third bout should be trashed out.

I love Pacquioa ... I order his fights on PPV

I don't think I would pay my hard earned money on a guy who doesn't appeal to me.

I do have a problem with his fans but thats nothing against Pacquiao ... I point out his flaws ... and I call fights how I see them. I wasn't bitter that he beat Marquez and I wasn't bitter about the decision.

I do think that he will lose to Diaz and thats that ... if he wins ... I will give him respect.

I thought he lost but the decision was offical and mine wasn't, so he is the champ at 130. I think his team is setting him up for a nasty fall and I don't like that either. There are plenty of fish to fry at 130 ...

I thought that Diaz won fare against Morales even though I had Morales winning the fight -- I don't think that Pacquiao is further ahead in his career than Morales was despite beating the man twice. Pacquiao is fast and strong but the constant moving up in weight and all these rematches with the same fighters don't fare well with me.

I have more trouble on his extreme fans also. I also believe Pacquiao will have hard time on lightweight since it his first attempt and his fighting a tougher and champion David Diaz, though I still give him a chance to win. If he does what he do best.

[fitzgeraldz]

Gamboa has alot to learn and he's being rushed to a title in a division that has its share of talented fighters.

I think he's strong and fast ... I haven't seen much head and shoulder movement from him ... against the elite he will take some shots.

[fitzgeraldz]

If Pacquiao wins then he solidifies his spot as the #2 ranked P4P list.

I can't criticize a victory and a championship at his 4th weight class -- i'm not worried about him winning -- i'm worried about the after effects. Because you could lose alot even in victory. I'm wondering how his body will hold up.

[Nestea]

If Pacquiao wins then he solidifies his spot as the #2 ranked P4P list.

I can't criticize a victory and a championship at his 4th weight class -- i'm not worried about him winning -- i'm worried about the after effects. Because you could lose alot even in victory. I'm wondering how his body will hold up.

I have MP on #3 though. JC still holds the key to #2 spot. If JC beats Hopkins more convincingly I say he holds #2 until their next respective bouts. If he looses though Pacquiao could get that spot or just siphon some of his votes.

I am much more interested if Pacquiao could hold off longer at 135lbs. He will fight much more bigger fighters, heavier punchers, and more intelligent technicals on the future.

[fitzgeraldz]

Now I can honestly say that Pacquiao is more accomplished than Calzaghe -- If Calzaghe beats Hopkins maybe he leaps Pacquiao -- but Pacquiao has beaten his 3rd top 10 P4P fighter.

Calzaghe has beaten zero

[charlievint]

Something tells me jmm is going to pick Valero because hes a young hard hitting southpaw like Manny could be a good tune up for him,Guzman too risky.

I think he'll go with Guzzy for the exact opposite reason. Technically JMM is better than Joan and he has more fire power. Speed are about te same....but Juan may be a tad faster. I think fighting wars with PAC has turned him off figting guys with true power for a while or at least until he can get PAC back in the ring again. Juan has no fears of Joan.

[charlievint]

I'd like to see JMM take on Guzman. This would be a good test for Guzman. IMO JMM takes him easily...

No questions. Every area Juan is better Joan. Joan is just more flashy in spots but overall Juan is more exciting and has more depth to his game.

[charlievint]

Humberto Soto is another legit/credible opponent ... a fight with him will keep JMM in the thoughts of fight fans ...

Shame on Arum for going for a bullshit title against a guy who hasn't fought anyone.

A win over David Diaz won't mean anything significant and will probably expose PacMan to a certain degree. Diaz has a great chin and won't go down against the smaller Pacquiao ... i'm pretty sure Diaz will take the fight to the inside ... he's strong ... and won't easily be moved.

Pacquiao can't fight going backwards ... I can see Diaz pulling off the upset ... and he'll fight the best fight of his career.

I don't see Pacquiao fighting from the outside and potshotting ... I see him getting backed up and taking some brutal punishment. Coming from jr flyweight and moving all the way up to lightweight is too dangerous, no matterr who he's fighting against.

Morales came from Bantamweight ... was a skilled fighter and still had trouble against Raheem, a fight who could box, but didn't have the power to knockout a full fledge lightweight ... yet he was knocking Morales around. Then Morales fought against Diaz ... his boxing kept him in the fight with his left jab ... but Pacquiao can't rely on his boxing.

Just like Morales ... we don't know how the weight gain will effect Pacquiao's body. He's already starting to look sluggish at super featherweight ... PacMan can lose his speed, power, and stamina/endurance.

Diaz gets strong as the fight goes on (in all of his fights) ... Diaz' only loss was against a boxer (Kendall Holt) who was on his toes, moved, and boxed. Somethink that Pacquiao can't do!!

Your assesment makes sense....it really does, but this has been a broken record when talking about PAC. EVERY FIGHTER PAC has faced had advantages over him in the skills department. That factor going in against David Diaz won't be a factor. Size and edurance may play a role b/c this will be a new weight...just like PAC stepping up for the first time at 130 he didn't do great. But he will be able to beat Diaz with out much of a problem. It will be nothing like the EM vs Diaz fight in terms of tatics but it will be exciting.

[charlievint]

What fight did Pacquiao show that he can box going backwards? Not his last fight ... he was the aggressor most of the fight and didn't counter punch at all. JMM played the boxer/counter puncher ... Pac didn't show anything but that his stamina was suspect at 130, he couldn't take body punches well, and that when his back was against the ropes all he could do was hope for a brawl. He still showed that he had poor balance and that if given the chance he will abandon his right hand and throw that straight left at any given moment. I only see a handful of right hooks and that was early in the fight.

What defense did he show?

He took alot of punishment during that fight ... he showed his weakness to the body ... something that Diaz would be happy to expose.

For the record Pacquiao didn't even think he won the fight ... check out the post fight interview. When Merchant asked him what he did different, he looked confused as if he didn't know... but he knew what Marquez did different and point them out w/o any problems.

Watch David Diaz fight more than once before you jump to conclusion -- this guy is too rugged.

Pac counter JMM! He was contering JMM's offense when he (PAC) was picking off his shots. PAC's contering ability amazed me on Saturday b/c that's a new skill set. He did a decent job countering the master of counter punching at 130.

Between JMM and PAC...JMM took more punishment. They landed at about the same rate so PAC Defense is solid espcially if he was making an accurate counter puncher like Juan miss or picked off his shots.

You must have lost some money the way you are reaching bro. And PAC knew he won the fight bro....If he was confused it's b/c of the language barrier but again...you're really reaching. David is solid which he proved by doing well with EM, but even that fight I believe Erik won and should be a title holder at 135.

[charlievint]

For the record i'm non bias ... I had no money on the fight and I don't discriminate against fighters.

I like fighters both the same ... i'm not a fan boy ... but when it comes to boxing skill -- I see the difference between the two. And I notice Pacquiao doesn't have any !!

LOL...you just blew any chance at anyone actaully taking you seriously by spewing absolute garbage. If PAC doesn't have any skills then EM, MAB, JMM all are tomato cans. LOL .....PAC doesn't have any skills!:lol: He's no Mayweather lets get back to reality.:rofl

[charlievint]

Hey i'm not the once who's going to cry once Pacquiao loses ... you fanboys are.

Funny...you sound like you are crying b/c PAC won.....and keeps winning. Like you are praying for his downfall. It's really not that serious...just enjoy the fights that PAC gives all boxing fans.

[charlievint]

crying over what?

:rofl All you have to do is read your previous posts....you do a great job as a whinny broad.

[fitzgeraldz]

I don't care that Pac won ... I just care if I get entertained and I did ... so what are you talking about?

Get off Pacquiao dick !!

[fitzgeraldz]

I wish you guys would get off Pacquiao's balls -- if he seen you guys on the street he would just say Hi and keep on moving ... but I guess thats enough to make you obsessive bastards cream yourselves ...

He doesn't care about you guys ... he's just a man ... nothing more ... nothing less.

He's not giving out individual shoutouts -- hell he doesn't know you guys exist.

He's fighting for the money and the glory ... not for anyone of you cum sucking punks.

[charlievint]

I don't care that Pac won ... I just care if I get entertained and I did ... so what are you talking about?

Get off Pacquiao dick !!

If you don't care then why write an entrie book about why PAC is one demenisional and how he has no boxing skills.:rofl Dude....you are contradicting yourself left and right by saying you are a fan of boxing and you like PAC but you think he can't box. Jeez:patsch What's going on in that cluster fuck you call a brain.

[charlievint]

I wish you guys would get off Pacquiao's balls -- if he seen you guys on the street he would just say Hi and keep on moving ... but I guess thats enough to make you obsessive bastards cream yourselves ...

He doesn't care about you guys ... he's just a man ... nothing more ... nothing less.

He's not giving out individual shoutouts -- hell he doesn't know you guys exist.

He's fighting for the money and the glory ... not for anyone of you cum sucking punks.

LOL...calm down there cup cake. Where did any personal relationships come in to paly regarding PAC, JMM, Valero or Guzzy? Get a grip bro....grant it there are delusional PAC fans but thats across the board with any fighter.

Every boxer is just a man....or woman
No boxer gives personal shout outs....for the most part
And if you are looking for "Cum sucking" individuals you are visiting the wrong site. Try googling gay message boards and hopefully you can find a home!:good

[fitzgeraldz]

ha ha ...

I don't want to get it twisted, I like Pac ... but his fans are ridiculous ... I shouldn't have went that far but -- whatever !!

its granted ...

[charlievint]

ha ha ...

I don't want to get it twisted, I like Pac ... but his fans are ridiculous ... I shouldn't have went that far but -- whatever !!

its granted ...

I know your angle and I see the crazy remarks about PAC being as good as SRR or the best fighter at 130 in the history of boxing....all that is bull shit but PAC is a Elite level fighter even with all his rawness. I'd say he's just as good as EM, MAB or JMM in their primes.

All three Mexicans have more skill and are more polished but I think PAC has more natrual ability or god given attributes that allow him to compete with boxers that are superior to him.

His speed, power, reflexes ect are better than anyone of his peers...prime or not. But I do understand why you went far into "Left Field" with your assement of PAC.

[DobyZhee]

I think Arum is just trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Let them expose each other for the nightmare matchup that they are for Pacquiao.

Counterpuncher vs a slickster...can anybody say, "YA[Only registered and activated users can see links]"

Meanwhile, Pacquiao makes his debut at 135 against a paper champ.

[jupzrooni]

Arum trying to buy time to finish the trilogy.

I'm sure he picked Valero and Guzman because they both have a chance (although minimal) to beat JMM. Guzman has the style, Valero has the power.

JMM beats both....maybe even in the same night.

:yep

[jupzrooni]

If you don't care then why write an entrie book about why PAC is one demenisional and how he has no boxing skills.:rofl Dude....you are contradicting yourself left and right by saying you are a fan of boxing and you like PAC but you think he can't box. Jeez:patsch What's going on in that cluster fuck you call a brain.

fitzgeraldz is a joker. he's contradicting himself everytime he posts:patsch

[Silvermags]

If JMM fights Diaz and GETS his belt!

DAMN! Pac has no reason not to fight JMM asap!

Anyway, pac declared he is not backing out of the pac vs jmm III.

Best rivalries in decades...

[Nestea]

If JMM fights Diaz and GETS his belt!

DAMN! Pac has no reason not to fight JMM asap!

Anyway, pac declared he is not backing out of the pac vs jmm III.

Best rivalries in decades...

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[nighthunter]

That would be great since PAC will fight D diaz...

[psychopath]

I voted Guzman because he is the most exciting opponent for JMM . . . but if JMM intends to fight Pac at 135 . . . he should fight Campbell and get his belts and title.

A unification at 135 . . . would be bigger and he (JMM) would have a better negotiating chip at the negotiating table.

[4Rounder]

I would like to see him fight Guzman sometime soon.

But I find it funny that Bob Arum wants Marquez to take the tough fights where the risk of losing is big while Pacquiao beats the paper chump for an easy title.:-(

Anything to clear Marquez out of the way. That dirt bag was almost jumping of joy with the Pacquiao team when the decision was announced. :lol:

[KCD]

H eshould fight Guzman, i would like to see Guzman in a major fight i think he is good enough to beat either Pacquaio or Marquez.

[psychopath]

You think JMM vs Guzman would be more exciting than JMM vs Valero?

I think Guzman is levels ahead of Valero in terms of skill, but there's no doubt in my mind JMM vs Valero would be the most exciting fight.

Valero has the brawler style that will mesh well with JMM's counterpunching style.... whereas JMM vs Guzman, two guys that like to box, move, and counterpunch won't be nearly as exciting.

I voted Guzman anyway though, because that's the BIGGEST fight to make, but not necessarily the most exciting..

Yes . . . yes . . . Valero is the brawling type but he is a too easy target for JMM. Valero is too slow for JMM IMO. Mosquera is shit compared to JMM and yet he knocked down Valero in the 5th round of their fight.

. . . and besides, Valero can't fight inside U.S.