Wladimir Klitschko v.s Max Baer

[Bad_Intentions]

who wins this fight?

[Jack]

Wlad would slaughter him.

[ChrisPontius]

Baer has the punch to take Wlad out, although it's not easy and he's a horrible technician. Today's Wlad knows how to survive and fight a puncher. Wlad has the advantage in every single caterogy except for chin. He has far, far more speed, skill, better footwork, jab, fluidity and punch delivery which will be the determining factor here.

Wlad by TKO or UD.

[Ramon Rojo]

Wlad by TKO

[Sakura]

Wlad by KO

[Rattler]

Baer, behind most of the fight, unleashes a rocket right in the 11th round. At this point, Wlad's lack of great stamina catches up to him.

Baer TKO-11

[Rattler]

Well in his last fight which went the distance Wlad showed some good stamina. I think that isn´t that big of a problem anymore.

Last fight.... one fight.

The M.O. is still weak stamina, until he proves it over multiple fights.

[Rattler]

Well if his opponents would last that long .. :D

Imo the last fight says more than fights which were soem years ago.

In most cases, yes.

Not yet, in this case, IMO.

Need more proof.

[ChrisPontius]

Last fight.... one fight.

The M.O. is still weak stamina, until he proves it over multiple fights.

He had no stamina problems in the McCline fight (10th round TKO), Byrd fights (12 rounds with 2 late round KD's and 7th round TKO), the Peter fight (staggered Peter in the 12th and stayed off the ropes for 12 rounds), the Botha fight (8 round TKO), Brock fight (7th round TKO), Mercer fight (74 punches a round, 6th round TKO), Schulz (TKO8).

That's more than 1 fight.

He had trouble pacing early in his career against Purrity, but let's be honest here, do you hold Baer's early losses against McCarthy, Abbot, Kennedy and Risko that much against him? He was still learning on the job as was Wlad.

The Brewster fight i'll give you that, and i was kind of suprised because he threw 50% more punches per round over 6 rounds against Mercer without any stamina problem whatsoever. Good chance the Brewster loss will probably avenged within a few weeks.

[Rattler]

He had no stamina problems in the McCline fight (10th round TKO), Byrd fights (12 rounds with 2 late round KD's and 7th round TKO), the Peter fight (staggered Peter in the 12th and stayed off the ropes for 12 rounds), the Botha fight (8 round TKO), Brock fight (7th round TKO), Mercer fight (74 punches a round, 6th round TKO), Schulz (TKO8).

That's more than 1 fight.

He had trouble pacing early in his career against Purrity, but let's be honest here, do you hold Baer's early losses against McCarthy, Abbot, Kennedy and Risko that much against him? He was still learning on the job as was Wlad.

The Brewster fight i'll give you that, and i was kind of suprised because he threw 50% more punches per round over 6 rounds against Mercer without any stamina problem whatsoever. Good chance the Brewster loss will probably avenged within a few weeks.

None of those fighters were good enough to challenge Klitschko like Baer could, for extended rounds. Byrd... was no threat, so going 12 rounds with him if you don't knock him out, is mandatory. The rest of them, were too stylistically easy for Wlad to deal with - therefore he didn't have to succumb to trying to outwork an opponent to get a victory.

[Zakman]

Baer, behind most of the fight, unleashes a rocket right in the 11th round. At this point, Wlad's lack of great stamina catches up to him.

Baer TKO-11

I'm inclined to agree with this. Baer had one of the best chins EVER in the HW division, and was one of the hardest hitters. And for those who think size would be an issue, look at what Baer did to Primo Carnera - imo, that's quite similar to what he'd do to Wlad.

[ChrisPontius]

None of those fighters were good enough to challenge Klitschko like Baer could, for extended rounds. Byrd... was no threat, so going 12 rounds with him if you don't knock him out, is mandatory. The rest of them, were too stylistically easy for Wlad to deal with - therefore he didn't have to succumb to trying to outwork an opponent to get a victory.

I see, so retaining his punching power late in all those fights doesn't account to anything because it was stylistically easy in ALL of those fights?

And how is Bear stylistically so easy? He doesn't exactly put on much pressure, he'll be easily outboxed which means Wlad can take a rest whenever he wants while being ahead on points, not to mention Baer has a tendency to clown which easies things up more.

If Wlad really goes for the knockout then i can see the scenario which you painted unfold, but otherwise, i think he'll box safely and only go in for the kill it's there.

[Jack]

None of those fighters were good enough to challenge Klitschko like Baer could, for extended rounds. Byrd... was no threat, so going 12 rounds with him if you don't knock him out, is mandatory. The rest of them, were too stylistically easy for Wlad to deal with - therefore he didn't have to succumb to trying to outwork an opponent to get a victory.
Peter and Mercer both present a bigger threat to Wlad than Baer would. I'm not just saying that because both would beat baer either. Stylistically, they are bigger threats. Baer is far too open for a fight with a great one-two, like Wlad.

[Scorpion]

The one who lands his right first wins.

[Bad_Intentions]

The one who lands his right first wins.i don't think so, baer has a great chin, if klitschko lands a powerful hand he will not KO max baer, but if max lands 1 or 2 right powerful hands, good night mr steelhammer.

[Butch Coolidge]

i don't think so, baer has a great chin, if klitschko lands a powerful hand he will not KO max baer, but if max lands 1 or 2 right powerful hands, good night mr steelhammer.

I'm guessing Baer's chin was never tested by somebody comparable to Klitschko, a large man with great athletic ability. IMO Baer wouldn't last too long. He was too much of a one-handed fighter.

[rekcutnevets]

Baer never had to deal with a jab like Klitschko's. Not one that long anyway. I think Wlad's jab is much better than Carnera's. I can't see Baer finding a way past that jab. Baer has a good chin, but you can only ask so much of someone.

Klitschko by stoppage. How early depends on how often Baer presses.

[Denny Cruser]

Klitschko by late TKO or by points

[janitor]

I'm guessing Baer's chin was never tested by somebody comparable to Klitschko, a large man with great athletic ability. IMO Baer wouldn't last too long. He was too much of a one-handed fighter.

Joe Louis landed everything but the kitchen sink on Baers chin for four rounds and still couldn't put him away (Baer took the count on one knee).

If you count the shots Baers chin took during that fight it is incredible. It averaged at just under 70 per round.

All I am saying is that Baer's chin was prety good.

[JIm Broughton]

Vlad by KO within 8. Too many weapons for the one dimensional Baer who had a big right hand and not much else. Vlad would be on the lookout for it while landing jab after jab, something Baer did'nt have by the way, and using movement to offset Baer's power. Too much size and skill combined with a great trainer in Emmanuel Steward.

[Mendoza]

I'm inclined to agree with this. Baer had one of the best chins EVER in the HW division, and was one of the hardest hitters. And for those who think size would be an issue, look at what Baer did to Primo Carnera - imo, that's quite similar to what he'd do to Wlad.

Baer chin was not good enough to last more than 5 rounds vs Joe Louis. I think Wlad and Louis have comparable puching power. Baer was never a fighter that could walk though fire and pay the price to win. It was not in his nature. Unless Baer lands an unlikely bomb, the fight is Wlad's to loose.

Best guess, Wlad wins via 8th round TKO.

[Sizzle]

I think Wlad is very underrated in an all-time sense - His chin is weak, but he's been improving fight by fight and learning to turn his rocket-like jab into a superb defensive weapon (offense the best form of defense for Wlad).
His ring strategy has also improved drastically, enabling him to improve his punch efficiency. The more sparing use of his right hand has worked wonders for him.

I'm no fan of Baer, but he was a tough competitor - I think It'd be one-sided for 8 or so rounds before Wlad put Baer away. Wlad was much faster, and his jab would be the key - I also feel he packs more power in his right. He's the sharper more efficient puncher.

[Butch Coolidge]

Is Klitschko's chin really that weak? Think about it. He may have been stopped three times but 75% of those stoppages were from fatigue and the other was a KO from a very brutal puncher.

And I agree, Baer didn't fight an opponent capable of generating a punch like Klitschko can throw. Louis was a great puncher but physics limits him at a level below the big Ukrainian.

[red cobra]

It would depend on which Max Baer showed up. The out of shape clown who fought Braddock, the scared version who fought Joe Louis or the motivated, serious killer who fought Max Schmeling. If you think Corrie Sanders did a number on W.K., Baer would be devastating. If he knew he could hurt Wlad, you'd see that killer Baer version.

[BOGART]

I'd take Wlad in this one, actually pretty comfortably. Big difference is skill between the two. Wlad shoots sharp straight punches and uses his jab very well, always has not just Brewster II. Not many fighters can deal with Wlad by staying on the outside, he's too big and fast for that. You need to put pressure on him by getting inside and taking him out of his comfort zone. Baer is too limited to do that. Sure he has a big punch and could end the fight at any time, and that wouldn't be surprising, just unlikely.

Could Wlad stop him or would it go the distance. Louis is the only guy to stop Baer and he has earned his durable chin reputation. But to be honest, if Louis could do it so could Wlad. Joe Louis was the most complete offensive fighter in the history of heavyweight boxing. He is beautiful to watch. He has a few tools that Wlad has yet to show such as uppercuts and going to the body effectivly. But for sheer firepower coming at you I'd take Wlad everyday in that department. He's a huge man who knows how to use that size. He actually resembles a big Louis when he lets those hands go. Wlad just isn' t as complete as Joe. So I'd take Wlad to stop Baer within 8.

[la-califa]

Wlad would outbox Baer most of the fight then in the late rounds, when it's time to slug it out Baer would catch him and score the kayo. If lesser punchers have stopped Wlad. Baer would knock him out. Vitali could carry out the stategy most people are indicating, but not Wlad.