who where the most physically strong boxers for each weight class?

[good right hand]

not necessarily the biggest puncher but the fighter with the most physically strength

hw- george foreman
cw- dwight quawi
lt hw- archie moore
s mw- gerald mccellan
mw- iran barkley
s ww- john mugabi
ww- ricardo mayorga
s lw- kostya tszyu
lw- julio ceaser chavez
s fw- arturo gatti
fw- henry armstrong
s bw- wilfredo gomez
bw- carlos zarate
s flw- nana kunadu
flw and below- rosendo alverez

[good right hand]

Is that your address and phone number or something?

haha, accidentally pressed the paste button instead of the copy when before i sent this thread

[good right hand]

khosai galaxy could have also been the most physically strong fighter for super flyweight

[Minotauro]

Good list except I never thought Tszyu was very phsically stronger I'm not saying he was weak but I wouldn't put him as the strongest 140 ever. Also I believe Dick Tiger was the strongest middleweight. I would put Barbados Joe Walcott as the strongest welterweight he would fight heavyweight and just to show his strengh he would pick them up in the clinches and to think he was only 5 foot 2, I would put him as the strongest ever p4p.

[mcvey]

not necessarily the biggest puncher but the fighter with the most physically strength

hw- george foreman
cw- dwight quawi
lt hw- archie moore
s mw- gerald mccellan
mw- iran barkley
s ww- john mugabi
ww- ricardo mayorga
s lw- kostya tszyu
lw- julio ceaser chavez
s fw- arturo gatti
fw- henry armstrong
s bw- wilfredo gomez
bw- carlos zarate
s flw- nana kunadu
flw and below- rosendo alverez
Heavy Jeffries /Foreman
Light Heavy Berlenbach ,[ex Olympic wrestler]
Middle Fullmer/Tiger
Welter Griffith
Light Williams
Feather Saddler
Bantam Harada
Fly Kane /Chionoi

[AREA 53]

If we are talking about pure Physical Strengh alone...at heavy, wouldnt Floyd Jumbo Cummings come into consideration, i gather he used to Bench-press huge weights whilst in the Pen. ?? He sure looked like he could something Heavy.

[Muchmoore]

If we are talking about pure Physical Strengh alone...at heavy, wouldnt Floyd Jumbo Cummings come into consideration, i gather he used to Bench-press huge weights whilst in the Pen. ?? He sure looked like he could something Heavy.

Foreman was a physical beast, he deserves to be number one. He never took a backward step.

Also, Mayorga shouldnt be number 1.

[McGrain]

Foreman was a physical beast, he deserves to be number one. He never took a backward step..

Although I agree, I wouldnt' describe him as stronger than Liston or Lewis. Nothing in it as far as those three are concerned I think.

I'd guess that Dick Tiger was clearly the strongest MW.

[bigG]

..strongest man ever to fight in a boxing ring under boxing rules....the great powerlifter, paul anderson.........coupla fights at hw...not a great success......also, wasnt quinton fortune a fringe warm body in the heavyweights and an ex powerlifting champ......rahman is allegedly very strong in the gym.....all proof that big muscles mean the sq route of fuck all in the squared circle...

[Manassa]

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[good right hand]

Foreman was a physical beast, he deserves to be number one. He never took a backward step.

Also, Mayorga shouldnt be number 1.

foreman was my pic but two fighters that are just as much in contention as foreman as far as pure physical strength in my eyes are
1.roy lyle
2.frank bruno

these guys where very tough and very raw fighters, that although never had the assests george had would deffinetly rival his physical strength.


but yea, mayorga was just my "filler" name because i really am not educated enough to find a better name... im guessing maybe a young felix trinidad?

[mcvey]

Heavy Jeffries /Foreman
Light Heavy Berlenbach ,[ex Olympic wrestler]
Middle Fullmer/Tiger
Welter Griffith
Light Williams
Feather Saddler
Bantam Harada
Fly Kane /Chionoi
Ive only rated Champions.

[Muchmoore]

foreman was my pic but two fighters that are just as much in contention as foreman as far as pure physical strength in my eyes are
1.roy lyle
2.frank bruno

these guys where very tough and very raw fighters, that although never had the assests george had would deffinetly rival his physical strength.


but yea, mayorga was just my "filler" name because i really am not educated enough to find a better name... im guessing maybe a young felix trinidad?

Both Lyle and Bruno also are up there. The thing with Bruno though is as fights went on his stamina gave out and made him much weaker. For the first 6 rounds though he was as strong as anyone.

[thunder06]

rocky marciano for cruiserweight is no doubt the strongest.

[DocDevil]

At heavyweight Jose Urtain the stone lifter from Spain would have to be considered.Primo Carnera,had he had modern training,he woulda been a bear.Superb physique,especially for his time,despite his great size,I think he woulda been even larger,but his near starvation as a child,his growth was probably stunted.

[hobgoblin]

muhammad ali was physically very strong - maybe more than foreman. i wonder if HE could lift a baby calf - probably. ali gets the nod from me in physically strongest

[BigReg]

not necessarily the biggest puncher but the fighter with the most physically strength

hw- george foreman
cw- dwight quawi
lt hw- archie moore
s mw- gerald mccellan
mw- iran barkley
s ww- john mugabi
ww- ricardo mayorga
s lw- kostya tszyu
lw- julio ceaser chavez
s fw- arturo gatti
fw- henry armstrong
s bw- wilfredo gomez
bw- carlos zarate
s flw- nana kunadu
flw and below- rosendo alverez

Good list, but I would have Duran there at LW, and McClellan only fought one fight at SMW, it was also his last fight as he was left blind, deaf, and paralyzed as a result of the beating he took at the hands of Nigel Benn.

[JIm Broughton]

Don't forget the two Jack's. Johnson and Dempsey.

[Minotauro]

Surprised I'm the only one that mentioned The Barbados Demon Joe Walcott the guy was an absolute beast he was only 5 foot 1 or 2 and weighed around 140lbs and still managed to deal with heavyweights. Here is an extract from an article about one of his fights against a heavyweight.

"Joe Walcott, the welter-weight champion, and Fred Russell, of Minneapolis, went six rounds to a draw here tonight. Russell, who is a heavy-weight and big at that, was unable to do anything with Wolcott, and it certainly appeared as though the latter was entitled to the verdict, having forced the fighting throughout. When the men shaped up for action, there was so much disparity in their sizes and the affair looked ridiculous. Walcott's head just reached Russell's waist line. The men fought but 2 minutes, however, when it was plainly evident that the little negro was perfectly able to cope with his big opponent and rather enjoyed holding up Russel's 215 pounds when they clinched. Before the round ended Walcott dropped Russell with a right to the jaw. In order to land the blow Walcott had to jump off his feet fully six inches. Russell took the count of nine and rose to his feet groggy. He appeared timid during the next four rounds and kept well covered, but managed to land several hard swings on Walcott's head to which the latter payed little attention. In the last round Walcott reached Russell's stomach with a number of hard swings and had the big fellow so weak, that although weighing nearly a hundred pounds less he was able to push Russell all over the ring when they came to a clinch." (Durango Democrat)

[Irish Steel]

Jim Jeffries was strongest HW i would say.

[enquirer]

Man barbados joe must have fought some really crap heavweights to do what that report suggests.....Or that report is a load of nonsense.....

[bigG]

two brawling south americans look strong, oscar bonavena and luis angel firpo.....

[hobgoblin]

two brawling south americans look strong, oscar bonavena and luis angel firpo.....

ali was physically stronger than both of them imo; if we're talking about strongEST then these very strong mofos don't make the list imo

[bigG]

..both look to have possesed raw, natural strength.....chuvalo is another..not a weightlifter, not a strongman in the accepted sense, just a raw, powerful guy.....

[Muchmoore]

ali was physically stronger than both of them imo; if we're talking about strongEST then these very strong mofos don't make the list imo

Ali wasnt stronger than either, both were bulls.

[JohnThomas1]

Jeff Fenech would have thrown around Wilfredo Gomez physically with ease. Much. much stronger.

[Minotauro]

Man barbados joe must have fought some really crap heavweights to do what that report suggests.....Or that report is a load of nonsense.....

The heavyweight in the article was not great, but Joe Walcott did fight many good/great fighters many who were a lot larger then him like Dan Creedon, Joe Choynski (who KO'd Jack Johnson), Jack Bonner, Tommy West, Billy Stift, Frank Childs, Dixie Kid, George Cole, Sam Langford and especially the likes of Billy Smith, Kid Carter, George Gardner, "Philadelphia" Jack O'Brien, Sandy Ferguson, George "Kid" Lavigne, Young Peter Jackson and Black Bill.

The article I pasted wasn't to show how great Joe Walcott was although he is an all time great it was to show the guys physical strength.

[Holmes' Jab]

Foreman was a physical beast, he deserves to be number one. He never took a backward step.

He was, however I'd say Lewis and Liston would be (at least) on a par with him as far as 'raw' strength goes.


Decent list, GRH. :good

[Doppleganger]

He was, however I'd say Lewis and Liston would be (at least) on a par with him as far as 'raw' strength goes.

Agreed. Both in the top 5 of all-time HW strength assuming we're talking about champions or top contenders here.

[hobgoblin]

Ali wasnt stronger than either, both were bulls.

I beg to differ. He was able to clinch and tie up George Foreman rather easily and this was based purely on physical strength (not the other factors that let him win like speed or accuracy). That's one indicator he was stronger than Foreman. Sure, conditioning and heart influence Ali's ability to handle Foreman's body shots (who else but Ali could have withstood that?) but physical strength counts big time to. His ability to take those body shots indicates his physical strength but if you don't buy this - how do you explain him handling Foreman like that? Foreman could do nothing against the stronger Muhammad Ali like he did to Joe Frazier - else he would have done something about it. Lots of people to this day complain about Ali's holding (clearly it was bad for George) but Ali was able to force his way.

[Manassa]

Don't kid yourself, Hobgoblin.

[hobgoblin]

Don't kid yourself, Hobgoblin.

Forgive me, but I *think* what I said was based on evidence and logic. Just because he isn't "hyped" as physically strong or just because he has other great qualities that overshadow his physical strength - doesn't mean he isn't very strong. Whereas with Firpo all we ever focus on his punching power and his strength because there was nothing else to focus on so it amplifies our vision of his strength.

Rocky Marciano didn't have that image either, was considered small, "only 185 lb" but he was a very strong guy indeed. I'm not saying Rocky is the strongest but I'm saying that physical strength isn't always based on image or hype. The same holds for Muhammad Ali - probably the most physically strong heavyweight ever or top 5 no doubt. He certainly showed it in the ring. By any means, it is not a far stretch to choose Ali.

[Manassa]

The same holds for Muhammad Ali - probably the most physically strong heavyweight ever or top 5 no doubt.

Oh give it a fucking rest, Jesus. You seriously think he's stronger than someone like Tye Fields? Nicolay Valuev? You don't even know he was stronger than Foreman or Liston. So he hung on their heads... That just means he had a good grip. It's not like Ali was bulling forward and shoving them backwards is it? Henry Armstrong - now there's a man who was strong, and he proved it by shoving back fighters who outweighed him and giving them hell for a full fifteen rounds. Ali was simply using leverage and intelligence to make them use their own strength against his opponents. I'll tell you why Foreman couldn't shove Ali backwards - he was sitting on the ropes, he couldn't be pushed back any further. Ali was strong, all fighters are strong, but he was nowhere near the strongest of all time. He was just a clever, illegal clincher.

[1fletch]

Herbie Hide at cruiserweight. He was still a powerhouse when he won a world title at heavy. Underrated.

Also this isnt populist but Naseem Hamed at feather.

Middleweight and super-middle Nigel Benn should get a look in.

Heavy Foreman Liston or Dempsey you can't go wrong with those

[NickHudson]

Manassa,

Not sure where you are coming from here. Ali was clearly very strong as he manhandled some exceptional opponents, pushing and wrestling as well as leaning. A number of opponents commented on his strength in the clinch.

Valuev? What are you basing his strength on. His opponents couldnt move him around but surely thats because he a huge deadweight.

I dont believe a sack of potatoes to be strong?!

Oh give it a fucking rest, Jesus. You seriously think he's stronger than someone like Tye Fields? Nicolay Valuev? You don't even know he was stronger than Foreman or Liston. So he hung on their heads... That just means he had a good grip. It's not like Ali was bulling forward and shoving them backwards is it? Henry Armstrong - now there's a man who was strong, and he proved it by shoving back fighters who outweighed him and giving them hell for a full fifteen rounds. Ali was simply using leverage and intelligence to make them use their own strength against his opponents. I'll tell you why Foreman couldn't shove Ali backwards - he was sitting on the ropes, he couldn't be pushed back any further. Ali was strong, all fighters are strong, but he was nowhere near the strongest of all time. He was just a clever, illegal clincher.

[Muchmoore]

Oh give it a fucking rest, Jesus. You seriously think he's stronger than someone like Tye Fields? Nicolay Valuev? You don't even know he was stronger than Foreman or Liston. So he hung on their heads... That just means he had a good grip. It's not like Ali was bulling forward and shoving them backwards is it? Henry Armstrong - now there's a man who was strong, and he proved it by shoving back fighters who outweighed him and giving them hell for a full fifteen rounds. Ali was simply using leverage and intelligence to make them use their own strength against his opponents. I'll tell you why Foreman couldn't shove Ali backwards - he was sitting on the ropes, he couldn't be pushed back any further. Ali was strong, all fighters are strong, but he was nowhere near the strongest of all time. He was just a clever, illegal clincher.

:good

[Marcianothebest]

Rocky Marciano was the hardest hitter ever of any weight class brothers

[Manassa]

Manassa,

Not sure where you are coming from here. Ali was clearly very strong as he manhandled some exceptional opponents, pushing and wrestling as well as leaning. A number of opponents commented on his strength in the clinch.

Valuev? What are you basing his strength on. His opponents couldnt move him around but surely thats because he a huge deadweight.

I dont believe a sack of potatoes to be strong?!

It's his sheer size. Like it or lump it, in general, big men are strong men.

[tommy the hat]

I would put Michael Carbajal on the list. You don't always see awesome power like that at those lowest weights.

[the cobra]

For sheer strength I'd say the strongest fighter for their weight division was very likely Walcott. There is no footage but the fight reports are evidence enough, as well as pictures of Walcott who looked like he was on steroids way back at the turning of the 20th century.

Tiger at middle I think is quite clear, although LaMotta and Fullmer are up there.

Whatever his shortcomings, Khaosai Galaxy always looked to be insanely strong for 115, he looks like a tank.

Henry Armstrong constantly pushing back Caferino Garcia is quite an impressive display of physical strength.

[Mega Lamps]

I have to agree with Hoboblin here. Ali was very strong and possibly stronger than Foreman in the clinches. He clinched when he wanted to and controlled his opponents without much difficulty.

[Polymath]

Lewis a little overrated in this thread.

Foreman, Liston etc much stronger men naturally.

Leftfield pick: Hasim Rahman is a very strong man naturally, could bench 450lbs - probably a world class strength athlete if he trained for it. Remember him shoving LL across the room in comical fashion? :lol:

[good right hand]

Ali was strong, all fighters are strong, but he was nowhere near the strongest of all time. He was just a clever, illegal clincher.

i totally agree with this thread.

i always thought of ali as the antithesis of a sheerly powerfull heavyweight.

ali was such a defining boxer to me because he was graceful, smart and originally hard to hit. i always thought of him as the fighter that proved that you dident have to be strong to be possibly the greatest fighter of all time.

[Seamus]

Lewis a little overrated in this thread.

Foreman, Liston etc much stronger men naturally.

Leftfield pick: Hasim Rahman is a very strong man naturally, could bench 450lbs - probably a world class strength athlete if he trained for it. Remember him shoving LL across the room in comical fashion? :lol:


Do not agree with point #1. Lewis was very, very strong. Also, Carnera, Willard... In regards to Rahman, 450 is very good - not great by pure lifting standards- but I agree he was very strong.

But Christ Almighty little Terry Norris benched 325, so he is my pick at 154. Also, and I can't believe no one mentioned this...

KHAOSAI GALAXY... possibly the strongest pound for pound fighter EVER!

[RafaelGonzal]

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I agree my guy was as strong as a bull and was pounded by this guy in the thirtees so Im convinced.

whats with the avatar did you lose a bet or something or is it some form of anal liberation.

[albinored]

..carnera was noted for his sheer physical strengh....but when he tried to bull joe louis around louis picked him up off the floor and set him down again.this is well verified by several observers. one sportswriter felt that was a big factor in carnera's defeat. brave as always, and he took a fearsome beating by the bomber but at that first test of strength carnera surely knew his greatest asset was more than matched.