View Full Version : Any 'Pure Boxing' Fans Here on ESB: An Invitation to see Ramon Dekkers
Anyone open to it can check out this video, this was a wicked fighter. Enjoy.
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goldenboy
03-22-2008, 05:23 PM
this guy is an animal. I came across him a year ago and was a fan straight away!!
this guy is an animal.
Yes, indeed.
Zhaakal
03-22-2008, 05:42 PM
Isn't he Ramon not Raymon?
Sweet Pea
03-22-2008, 05:42 PM
One of the best Muay Thai fighters of all time, beat the Thais at their own game. How about a matchup between a prime Dekkers and Buakaw? If Buakaw got into th ehabit of using his hands more like he does nowadays, I see Dekkers taking it handily. I believe Buakaw was better when he concentrated on using his legs. Would be a tougher matchup for Dekkers.
One of the best Muay Thai fighters of all time, beat the Thais at their own game. How about a matchup between a prime Dekkers and Buakaw? If Buakaw got into th ehabit of using his hands more like he does nowadays, I see Dekkers taking it handily. I believe Buakaw was better when he concentrated on using his legs. Would be a tougher matchup for Dekkers.
Ramon to my eyes definently has the better hands. Several times in this video he finishes fighters with picture perfect left hooks.
Baukaw has incredible kicks and knees though, in particular the extension of his knees is beautiful to watch.
Tough call, they both fight with abandon.
Isn't he Ramon not Raymon?
Fixed.
Zhaakal
03-22-2008, 05:51 PM
Realy technical, kinda stiff. LEGEND
brixtonbeat
03-22-2008, 05:52 PM
1:33 of the video reminded me of round 12 of De La hoya v. Quartey.
Dekkers is an animal.
BlueApollo
03-22-2008, 06:01 PM
Don't know the first thing about Muay Thai, but I know a beautiful left hook when I see one. Thanks for putting me up on this guy. Wow.
Sweet Pea
03-22-2008, 06:09 PM
A bit of Buakaw for comparison. More of the essential Muay Thai fighter in his style than Dekkers.
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emanuel_augustus
03-22-2008, 06:10 PM
Incredible balance and great boxing technique. Never heard of the guy, but cool clip.
A bit of Buakaw for comparison. More of the essential Muay Thai fighter in his style than Dekkers.
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The more I watch this the more I think Dekkers could get inside on him. Baukaw has a relaxed style that borders lazy sometimes because he is so confident in his athleticism.
With Dekker's straight forward style, and given Baukaw's attitude that he can bang with anyone, I think at some point Dekkers finds himself on the inside. If he avoids the clinch he could use his hands effectively.
h2hkiller
03-22-2008, 06:55 PM
Lets not get crazy. Dekkers was very good and probably best of the foreigners competing in Thailand's strongest weight divisions but not the best of the Nak Muays. I would put Jomhod(who beat the shit out of Ramon), Samart, Orono(another winner over Ramon), Danny Bille(another winner over Ramon), and a few others over him.
In his prime, he was 140 lbs. Buakaw is naturally bigger, stronger, faster and more technical. It would be a schooling. Danny Bille vs Buakaw would be interesting though.
Zhaakal
03-22-2008, 06:56 PM
Charlie would fuck em both up. He won a gold medal at the Russian special olympics for crying out loud.
Lets not get crazy. Dekkers was very good and probably best of the foreigners competing in Thailand's strongest weight divisions but not the best of the Nak Muays. I would put Jomhod(who beat the shit out of Ramon), Samart, Orono(another winner over Ramon), Danny Bille(another winner over Ramon), and a few others over him.
In his prime, he was 140 lbs. Buakaw is naturally bigger, stronger, faster and more technical. It would be a schooling. Danny Bille vs Buakaw would be interesting though.
Nobody here said he was the GOAT. And, Baukaw is more technical with some aspects of his game, but surely not his hands.
How do you see him against Baukaw p4p? I am not a huge muay thai fan so I would like your input.
h2hkiller
03-22-2008, 08:01 PM
I'll have to apologize for my tone but when people proclaim him as the fighter who beat the Thais at their own game, its insulting to the Thais, especially for those who did beat him.
Anyway, P4P, Ramon sometimes took too long to unload. His hesitation would cost him against a faster fighter like Buakaw, as it did against Superlek and other fighters. I can see a clearcut decision win but of course, Ramon would make it competitive with his toughness and power.
Sweet Pea
03-22-2008, 08:06 PM
The more I watch this the more I think Dekkers could get inside on him. Baukaw has a relaxed style that borders lazy sometimes because he is so confident in his athleticism.
With Dekker's straight forward style, and given Baukaw's attitude that he can bang with anyone, I think at some point Dekkers finds himself on the inside. If he avoids the clinch he could use his hands effectively.I'm not to sure, given how easily Buakaw took apart Mike Zambidis.
This little beast couldn't do a thing with Buakaw.
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Sweet Pea
03-22-2008, 08:08 PM
I'll have to apologize for my tone but when people proclaim him as the fighter who beat the Thais at their own game, its insulting to the Thais, especially for those who did beat him.
Anyway, P4P, Ramon sometimes took too long to unload. His hesitation would cost him against a faster fighter like Buakaw, as it did against Superlek and other fighters. I can see a clearcut decision win but of course, Ramon would make it competitive with his toughness and power.He was the best in the world at one point, and was known for being the foreigner who beat the best of the best in their homeland. Sure he lost some fights, who doesn't?
I'll have to apologize for my tone but when people proclaim him as the fighter who beat the Thais at their own game, its insulting to the Thais, especially for those who did beat him.
Anyway, P4P, Ramon sometimes took too long to unload. His hesitation would cost him against a faster fighter like Buakaw, as it did against Superlek and other fighters. I can see a clearcut decision win but of course, Ramon would make it competitive with his toughness and power.
Interesting, thanks.
boxeo#1
03-22-2008, 08:16 PM
As most of you might now: Ramon is from Holland just like me.
However he is very unkown over here. Never have I seen him on national tv... no award... no statue.. no nothing.
I hate this government so much for that.
Same counts for the great Orhan Delibas and Regilio Tuur.
NEVER have to received a thanks for reprsting their country.
They are ''nobodies'' over here. Only a handfull of insiders knows who they are. Fucking pussy country, mother fuckers prefer hockey
As most of you might now: Ramon is from Holland just like me.
However he is very unkown over here. Never have I seen him on national tv... no award... no statue.. no nothing.
I hate this government so much for that.
Same counts for the great Orhan Delibas and Regilio Tuur.
NEVER have to received a thanks for reprsting their country.
They are ''nobodies'' over here. Only a handfull of insiders knows who they are. Fucking pussy country, mother fuckers prefer hockey
Whats the reason for this? I was under the impression that Holland produced great Muay Thai fighters, maybe second only to Thailand.
I don't understand the disinterest really.
BlueApollo
03-22-2008, 08:43 PM
I'm not to sure, given how easily Buakaw took apart Mike Zambidis.
This little beast couldn't do a thing with Buakaw.
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boxeo#1
03-23-2008, 08:43 AM
Whats the reason for this? I was under the impression that Holland produced great Muay Thai fighters, maybe second only to Thailand.
I don't understand the disinterest really.
Yes that's right, we produce loads of thai-boxers. In the last k1 heavyweight tournament there were about 5 Dutch fighters. (And I guess 80% are non-Dutch, which means they are Moroccan/Turkish/black, but that aside) We have three public channels + 10 others but they almost never show thai-boxing matches. Let alone (amateur) boxing which is practically practised by no-one in this country!!
Holland is a very very small and rich country.. combat sports is just too tough I guess... the poorer a nation or country.. the more deternmind/couraged/fighting spirit they have..
(amateur) boxing is dead over here, just like weight-lifting, wrestling, basketball and baseball (indeed, the f*cking greatest sports in the world!!:-( :| ) The government even wanted to prohibite boxing a while back.
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